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Hi all!

Well, Grant, perhaps the word *is* getting out afterall, and there are some 
"friends" out there!

I am going to post something that perhaps some of you will protest as having 
nothing to do with the "Taos hum". You may be right in doing so, but I am going 
to do it anyway. If you do not like it. That's tough! But, I reckon, I will 
continue to post what I feel like until someone unsubscribes me. It does not 
really matter much either way.

Some of you might find this interesting though.

Obviously, there are many new discoveries being made in electronics, and new 
technologies are being developed. The "techies" on the Taoshum list speak of "A" 
waves, and "Curl Free" waves, etc. I have never heard of these before, but I am 
beginning to see, these people are on the threshold of a new technology. 

Whatever, like in the "electronic harassment" situations, I think this new 
"tech" is catching on with the "hacker" group. The kind of people that get a 
kick out of infecting people's computers with viruses, just because they can! 

Before that, it was the "black box" crowd that made long distance phone calls 
all over the world by feeding the acoustic tones into the phone, which opened up 
the various lines and trunks.

It is the identical "urge" that drives the totally illiterate on the streets to 
deface property with their graffiti!

Also, it seems very similar to packs of animals that urinate all around to mark 
their territories, or to let someone know they've intruded upon their territory 
and got away with it.

And, I *DO* class these creeps along with the animals, perhaps even a bit lower.

Anyway, I want to share the following brief note on this subject with whomever 
would like to read it. 
______________________________________________________________________________
Hi Oliver,

I feel compelled to relay this information to you immediately!

Robert Stack, the narrator of a TV program called "Unsolved Mysteries," had an 
episode about a married middle-aged couple---I tuned in too late to learn where 
they were from---who was being harassed by an individual who was cutting in on 
their phone calls while they were actively talking to someone. This individual 
would introduce himself as "Sommy" (not "Sammy") and proceed to make lewd 
comments, burp, and flatulate, in fact, anything he could think of to annoy this 
couple, whom he admitted he didn't know from Adam. The harried couple, of 
course, called the police. All they could do was suggest that the couple get an 
unlisted phone number, which they did. But get this! This son-of-a-bitch was 
right there on the very next phone call. Changing the listing hadn't deterred 
him in the least. He told the couple he was watching their every move, and 
proved it by describing to them their most intimate behavior and quoting 
excerpts from their private conversations.

The poor couple, particularly the woman, was weeping tears of anguish as she 
related their plight to the narrator. The police suggested that their phone line 
was tapped so the couple called in the telephone company, who proceeded to trace 
the wiring throughout the house, knocking holes in the wall and the whole nine 
yards to see if they could find anything awry. Needless, to say, they came up 
empty-handed.

The harassment continued unabated, so the couple out of desperation called in 
the FBI and had a team of experts with sophisticated electronic gear sweep the 
place for bugs. They even tapped the phone, and one agent actually heard for 
himself this Sommy character intervene in one of the phone calls. But after 
questioning all the surrounding neighbors and finding no bugs, they went away 
convinced the couple themselves had somehow perpetrated the hoax. Can you 
believe that! Hell, if you had seen the frustration on the faces and had heard 
the futility in the voices of this poor couple you would have known they were in 
no way responsible.

But, get this: It gets even better! Out of frustration they yelled at the 
interloper and demanded he identify himself. His reply: "Hell, if I did that, 
you'd have me arrested!" Next, these poor people turned on their television set, 
and there he was again; this time his voice was superimposed on the TV's audio 
signal. There's more! They went to the program guide to see what else was on and 
he had his name listed as one of the channel selections.

The program ended with: "If you or anyone you know has any information that can 
be used to help solve this crime, please call such and such number."

Boy, after hearing of the plight of people you mentioned and then seeing 
something similar on TV, I wonder what the hell is going on! What are these 
sadistic cretins up to? What kind of vicarious pleasure can be derived from 
causing so much misery...for people you don't even know yet?

**Name of writer withheld.**
______________________________________________________________________________

Of course, instead of being a high-tech graffiti artist or urinator, this may be 
the forerunner of a new class of "dial up nutters", to steal a phrase from Grant 
Mutch. A convenient "fall-guy" scheme for the "real" culprits to shove the blame 
for their shenanigans off on to.

Surely, no one can miss the fact that whenever gun control legislation comes up 
in Washington and our state capitals that immediately before and after, there is 
always a rash of senseless shootings by some screwball, or screwballs.

Also, when the various militias scared hell out of the boys who want to take 
over with their "New World Order" crap, what do we see?...Oklahoma City; the 
successful stake-out that interrupted the skullduggery of some vague militia 
group in Phoenix; now we have a separatist in Texas taking hostages and carrying 
on! And of course we had Ruby Ridge and Wacky Waco.

There are some on this list who have made it well known they do not want to hear 
about any *kooky*" conspiracy stuff! Neither did the Russians in 1921, nor the 
Cubans in 1961. Ole Julius sure as hell didn't want to hear about such things on 
the Ides of March. Conspiracies don't really exist, anyway. Everybody knows 
that. The goddamn world is flat too. Any fool can just look out there and tell 
that! Lions don't bite ostriches in the ass when their heads are in the sand 
either.

Anyway, enough said! Flame away!

Oliver


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At 12:05 AM 1/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>Well, Grant, perhaps the word *is* getting out afterall, and there are some 
>"friends" out there!
>
>the Ides of March. Conspiracies don't really exist, anyway. Everybody knows 
>that. The goddamn world is flat too. Any fool can just look out there and tell 
>that! Lions don't bite ostriches in the ass when their heads are in the sand 
>either.
>
>Anyway, enough said! Flame away!
>
>Oliver

No flames from me Oliver... Loved the article. Hang on while I get up off
the floor... Hahaha... especially the part about the anatomy of the
ostriches. :) :) 

Apology for not being serious... Your statement is in fact a very real
observation that I too see in most people. When they are forced to acknowledge
something they do their damn best to not see the truth first.
 
Interested in reading what ever material you have, post away... 

thanks
Grant.



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>I agree with your statements, but would go further, 
>an E-field can be stopped by ordinary 'kitchen' aluminum foil,
>thickness is not really an issue. The reason that there is *NO* E-field
>within a 360degree enclosed structure is that charges induced from an
>exterior source find preferable paths along the outer surface rather than
>through the interior.

Again, this is only true for a static field. The attenuation of a VARYING 
(that is, AC) E-field depends on

1. Conductivity of the material
2. Permeability of the material
3. Thickness of the material
4. Frequency
5. Distance from the source

An AC E-field always is accompanied by an H (magnetic) field. Close to the 
source, one may be much larger than the other. But as you get farther than 
roughly a wavelength away, their ratio approaches 377 ohms if the wave is 
traveling in air or space. (That is, the ratio of E-field in V/m to the 
H-field in A/m equals 377.) So you generally have to consider both when 
looking at shielding effectiveness. The formulas are fairly simple. If 
you're more than about a wavelength from the source, a box made of 2 mil 
(51 um) thick aluminum foil will attenuate a 60 Hz wave about 148 dB, or a 
factor of about 25 million. Virtually all of this is due to reflection of 
the wave. A 100 MHz wave striking the same box will be attenuated nearly 
the same amount, about 145 dB. 85 dB is due to reflection and 60 due to 
absorption of the wave. This is a good amount of attenuation, but there's 
not zero field inside the box. A nearby FM station would be easily 
detectable inside.

If you're close (in terms of wavelength) to the source, you have to 
consider the E and H fields separately, because their ratio isn't fixed but 
dependent on the nature of the source and distance from it.

>A charge produced within the center of the 'box', however, will induce
>the opposite sign of the field on the interior of the boxes wall, and the
>oppositie sign on the outside of the wall. Hense, you can shield something
>in the interior of the box from an exterior E-field, but you cannot shield 
an 
>E-field from the interior of the box from the rest of the world. An 
amazing
>paradox.

True for a static charge, but not for a varying field.

>However, when you have an RF field, it consists of varying E and B fields.
>The E-field will be stopped, but the B-field will propagate right through 
it.
>The *only* way to shield for RF is either total reflectance, or total
>disipation.
>Since there is no perfectly reflective material for RF (short of exotic
>ferroelectrets), 
>dissipation is the only  means. Disipation of the B-field requires that 
eddy
>currents 
>build up in the shielding material to counter the incoming wave; this 
makes the
>high permeable material up to 100x more effective than straight copper or 
>other typical conductor.

I'm afraid this contradicts what I know about electromagnetics and 
shielding. A lot of EMC engineers will have to throw away their texts if 
this is true.

>If you'd like to construct a 'shed', here's a few pointers.
>You can expect roughly 1dB loss@27mhz for every mil thickness of
>commercially available galvanized steel ($8 for a 3x4ft section).
>20db attenuation will reduce the signal amplitude by a factor of 10.
>
>You can build the shed-frame using prefab 2x4 joints and bolt the
>galvanized sheets to shed frame. Or, if you already have a utility
>shed available to you, you can reinforce the interior by bolting extra
>sheets to the existing metal walls. Typical utility sheds have 8.8 mil 
wall
>thickness.

My source shows about 35 dB per mil absorption loss, with 70 dB reflection 
loss (which is independent of thickness). So my calculations show 105 dB 
for 1 mil thick steel, while yours show 1 dB. This is a tremendous 
difference! (A factor of 150,000.) Of course, gaps will always reduce the 
shielding effectiveness (even, as I've said, they're small in terms of 
wavelength), and are frequently if not always the ultimate limit on the 
amount of attenuation that can be achieved in practice. There are fairly 
simple formulas for estimating the shielding effectiveness of a box with a 
single hole or with multiple holes (like screen).

I'll be glad to swap equations and sources with you off-line.

Roy

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At 05:10 PM 4/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm new to this list, so may be speaking a bit out of turn. But I 
>subscribed with the hope of learning more about the Taos Hum and 
>corresponding with others interested in it.
>
>What I see is that it's also used as a forum for posting conspiracy 
>theories and other ramblings. Isn't there another forum where this sort of 
>stuff could be posted?
>
>I certainly can't speak for other list subscribers, but I'm really not at 
>all interested in hearing about alleged police corruption in Australia. If 
>I were, I'm sure there are plenty of places on the Internet where I could 
>find more than enough theories and opinions to satisfy my curiosity.
>
>G.D., why are you posting this stuff here?
>
>Roy
>

I also am a relatively new subscriber to the list. Operating mostly in
lurking mode until now.
I am in total agreement with Roy on this issue.  Don't get me wrong on this
point, I am not against "conspiracy" theories and would never dismiss them
outright.  But there are other places for this sort of thing.  I joined this
list to learn more about the "hum" and to try in my own way to contribute
something to the body of knowledge concerning it.  I am not a hum perceiver
myself, but I am interested in studying this phenomena in a organized and
scientific manner. 

I would greatly appreciate if someone on the list could provide information
on construction of equipment that would be capable of monitoring infrasound
and low frequency acoustic environment.  I am a HAM operator and while not
electronic expert (such as design) I do have some resources and knowledge at
my disposal that I would like to put to use.  

I have been working on a plan to study the "hum" and its characteristics.  I
would require the help of a large number of hum perceivers (I assume this is
the politically corrent term, if not I apologize).  This  study would
involve recording a few simple "hum" observations and forwarding them to me
via Email at regular intervals.  This study would run for 3 months.  I will
provide full details to the list when I have completed them.  Anyone
interested in this sort of co-ordinated study?  

You can contact me at toml@accnorwalk.com for more information.


TomL

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Yes, I would be interested in participating in the 3 month study.

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On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Greg Long wrote:

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On Thu, 1 May 1997 juno@interserv.com wrote:

> their phone calls while they were actively talking to someone. This individual 
> would introduce himself as "Sommy" (not "Sammy") and proceed to make lewd 
> comments, burp, and flatulate, in fact, anything he could think of to annoy this 
> couple, whom he admitted he didn't know from Adam. The harried couple, of 
> course, called the police. All they could do was suggest that the couple get an 
> unlisted phone number, which they did. But get this! This son-of-a-bitch was 
> right there on the very next phone call. Changing the listing hadn't deterred 
> him in the least. He told the couple he was watching their every move, and 
> proved it by describing to them their most intimate behavior and quoting 
> excerpts from their private conversations.

The perpetrator turned out to be the couple's teenage son.  No hi-tech,
and he WAS in the house watching their every move.


.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,.............................
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Bill,

Thu, 1 May 1997 21:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
You wrote:

>On Thu, 1 May 1997 juno@interserv.com wrote:

>>...their phone calls while they were actively talking to someone. This 
>>individual  would introduce himself as "Sommy" (not "Sammy") 

>>He told the couple he was watching their every move, and  proved it by 
>>describing to them their most intimate behavior and quoting excerpts from 
>>their private conversations.

>The perpetrator turned out to be the couple's teenage son.  No hi-tech,
>and he WAS in the house watching their every move.

>William Beaty 

Thanks Bill. 

Well, if it was not an actual case of "electronic harassment" I am only too glad 
to hear about it. I will let my friend know.

[BTW] Where did you find out about this? Because I just got the letter from that 
person the other day!

Oliver




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juno@interserv.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Well, Grant, perhaps the word *is* getting out afterall, and there are some
> "friends" out there!
> 
> I am going to post something that perhaps some of you will protest as having
> nothing to do with the "Taos hum". You may be right in doing so, but I am going
> to do it anyway. If you do not like it. That's tough! But, I reckon, I will
> continue to post what I feel like until someone unsubscribes me. It does not
> really matter much either way.
> 
> Some of you might find this interesting though.
> 
> Obviously, there are many new discoveries being made in electronics, and new
> technologies are being developed. The "techies" on the Taoshum list speak of "A"
> waves, and "Curl Free" waves, etc. I have never heard of these before, but I am
> beginning to see, these people are on the threshold of a new technology.
> 
> Whatever, like in the "electronic harassment" situations, I think this new
> "tech" is catching on with the "hacker" group. The kind of people that get a
> kick out of infecting people's computers with viruses, just because they can!
> 
> Before that, it was the "black box" crowd that made long distance phone calls
> all over the world by feeding the acoustic tones into the phone, which opened up
> the various lines and trunks.
> 
> It is the identical "urge" that drives the totally illiterate on the streets to
> deface property with their graffiti!
> 
> Also, it seems very similar to packs of animals that urinate all around to mark
> their territories, or to let someone know they've intruded upon their territory
> and got away with it.
> 
> And, I *DO* class these creeps along with the animals, perhaps even a bit lower.
> 
> Anyway, I want to share the following brief note on this subject with whomever
> would like to read it.
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Hi Oliver,
> 
> I feel compelled to relay this information to you immediately!
> 
> Robert Stack, the narrator of a TV program called "Unsolved Mysteries," had an
> episode about a married middle-aged couple---I tuned in too late to learn where
> they were from---who was being harassed by an individual who was cutting in on
> their phone calls while they were actively talking to someone. This individual
> would introduce himself as "Sommy" (not "Sammy") and proceed to make lewd
> comments, burp, and flatulate, in fact, anything he could think of to annoy this
> couple, whom he admitted he didn't know from Adam. The harried couple, of
> course, called the police. All they could do was suggest that the couple get an
> unlisted phone number, which they did. But get this! This son-of-a-bitch was
> right there on the very next phone call. Changing the listing hadn't deterred
> him in the least. He told the couple he was watching their every move, and
> proved it by describing to them their most intimate behavior and quoting
> excerpts from their private conversations.
> 
> The poor couple, particularly the woman, was weeping tears of anguish as she
> related their plight to the narrator. The police suggested that their phone line
> was tapped so the couple called in the telephone company, who proceeded to trace
> the wiring throughout the house, knocking holes in the wall and the whole nine
> yards to see if they could find anything awry. Needless, to say, they came up
> empty-handed.
> 
> The harassment continued unabated, so the couple out of desperation called in
> the FBI and had a team of experts with sophisticated electronic gear sweep the
> place for bugs. They even tapped the phone, and one agent actually heard for
> himself this Sommy character intervene in one of the phone calls. But after
> questioning all the surrounding neighbors and finding no bugs, they went away
> convinced the couple themselves had somehow perpetrated the hoax. Can you
> believe that! Hell, if you had seen the frustration on the faces and had heard
> the futility in the voices of this poor couple you would have known they were in
> no way responsible.
> 
> But, get this: It gets even better! Out of frustration they yelled at the
> interloper and demanded he identify himself. His reply: "Hell, if I did that,
> you'd have me arrested!" Next, these poor people turned on their television set,
> and there he was again; this time his voice was superimposed on the TV's audio
> signal. There's more! They went to the program guide to see what else was on and
> he had his name listed as one of the channel selections.
> 
> The program ended with: "If you or anyone you know has any information that can
> be used to help solve this crime, please call such and such number."
> 
> Boy, after hearing of the plight of people you mentioned and then seeing
> something similar on TV, I wonder what the hell is going on! What are these
> sadistic cretins up to? What kind of vicarious pleasure can be derived from
> causing so much misery...for people you don't even know yet?
> 
> **Name of writer withheld.**
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Of course, instead of being a high-tech graffiti artist or urinator, this may be
> the forerunner of a new class of "dial up nutters", to steal a phrase from Grant
> Mutch. A convenient "fall-guy" scheme for the "real" culprits to shove the blame
> for their shenanigans off on to.
> 
> Surely, no one can miss the fact that whenever gun control legislation comes up
> in Washington and our state capitals that immediately before and after, there is
> always a rash of senseless shootings by some screwball, or screwballs.
> 
> Also, when the various militias scared hell out of the boys who want to take
> over with their "New World Order" crap, what do we see?...Oklahoma City; the
> successful stake-out that interrupted the skullduggery of some vague militia
> group in Phoenix; now we have a separatist in Texas taking hostages and carrying
> on! And of course we had Ruby Ridge and Wacky Waco.
> 
> There are some on this list who have made it well known they do not want to hear
> about any *kooky*" conspiracy stuff! Neither did the Russians in 1921, nor the
> Cubans in 1961. Ole Julius sure as hell didn't want to hear about such things on
> the Ides of March. Conspiracies don't really exist, anyway. Everybody knows
> that. The goddamn world is flat too. Any fool can just look out there and tell
> that! Lions don't bite ostriches in the ass when their heads are in the sand
> either.
> 
> Anyway, enough said! Flame away!
> 
> Oliver
> 
> Cool Oliver............ well said..... as far as I am concerned
everything on this site need not be just restricted to high-tech
electronicspeak. . . . and of the high priests of the same. 
EVERYONE should be able to express themselves and their experiences with
the hum or hum conspiracy in whatever manner they choose.
                                 Denis

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Hi all ...
                
Here is an article I promised so many people on another list. 

                 ****************************************************
                 *** How do make water purifier/de-minerialiser. ****
                 ***  Copyright(C)1997. By G.D.Mutch             ****
                 ***     All rights reserved.                    ****       
                 ****************************************************

Here is the quickest way to do it.

 Cut 5 x 100-150mm squares of food grade stainless steel.
                        
         ______________   _
        |              |
        |              |
        |              |
        |       O      |   100 - 150 mm
        |              |
        |              | 
         --------------  _

         ( 2 plates with 6mm hole in center )

 Drill a hole in the center of all the 5 plates 6mm in diameter.
 This is for the 6mm stainless steel rod that will hold the assemble together.

 Now redrill "3(only)" of those plates again out to 12 mm hole.

         ______________   - 
        |              | 
        |              |
        |       _      |
        |      ( )     |   100 - 150 mm
        |       -      |
        |              | 
         --------------   - 

        (  3 only plates with 12mm hole in center. )
 


                        **** Insulator Collars/Spacers  *****
                        
                 Raise collar. 1.6 mm wide x 12mm diameter round 
       _    __   shaved off the face of perspecs spacer.
           |  | /
           |  |-     -
   40mm    |  | |      12mm diameter with 6mm hole in center            
           |  |-     - 
           |  |
       -    --
          
           |    |
            10 mm    

 Obtain 4 of 10mm x 40mm  perspecs or plastic spacers and drill a hole
 6mm through the center as well. Lath off 1.6 mm off the face of 3 of those
 spacers so that the 1.6mm x 12 mm diameter raise collar fits neatly into
the 12mm
 hole of the 3 only stainless steel plate. This insulates all plates away
from each
 other and the center stainless steel threaded rod that holds the entire
assemble
 together.

                                 *** Assembly ***
          2.5 mm diameter stainless steel welding rods 
          used as electrodes.
         /      \
      O           0
      |           |  
  (-) |           | (+) positive electrode  
 elec.|           | 
      | ||  ||  ||| ||  ||
      | ||  ||  ||| ||  ||
      | ||  ||  ||| ||  ||
      | ||  ||  ||| ||  ||   / Stainless steel nuts
      | ||@@||@@||@@||@@||  /
     =||||@@||@@||@@||@@||||==  6mm stainless steel threaded rod
        ||@@||@@||@@||@@||
        ||  ||  ||  ||  ||\
        ||  ||  ||  ||  || \ Spacers with raised collars in the center of
plates.
        ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
        ||  ||  ||  ||  ||

        (-) (0) (+) (0) (-)

       [ Side view of plates and spacers fully assembled. ]

 The middle plates (0) have no fixed connection and merely react on a
capacitive        coupling. The two (-) plates are connected via the 6mm
stainless steel threaded rod.
This is the reason for leave these 2 plates with a 6mm hole in the center. 

The (+) electrode is squashed between the spacer and the middle plate. This
allows
direct connect with the middle plate only. The electrode must on touch the
6mm threaded
rod in the center, else you will have a direct electrical short.


                                **** Using the Device ****
Buy or obtain a 12 volt @ 1-2 amps battery charger or 9 volt transformer
battery pack from the local electrical store. Connect the (-)black wire to
the outer plate and connect or clip the (+)red wire to the middle plate.
First check there is no shorts with and OHM meter with in the unit, then
turn it on to check it. THEN TURN THE UNIT OFF.


Fill a 4-10 litre icecream container full of tap water straight out of the tap.
Place the (NOW assembled water purifier )unit in the water and turn on the power
to the unit. Make sure all copper loose leads are out of the water. Only
allow the
stainless steel to be in the water for hygienic reasons. 


                                 !!!! WARNING !!!!!
You will notice something happening within  a few minutes of turning the unit
on. You will see small bubbles appear from the water around the plates. 
N.B. Coming from the negative plates is a HYDROGEN bubble. Coming from
positive plates is a HYDROGEN+OXYGEN bubble. IF you smoke or cause the wires
to give off sparks you may
get a small explosion or pop. If you use this water purifier in a closed
container you
may get a build up of these explosive gases, which could prove fatal, so use
common sense. It is totally safe if you use this unit in a well ventilated
container and or area. This is the exact same gas that is used to run a
automobile on clean safe environmental hydrogen, which is generated entirely
from water. (<<< TRUTH >>>)


***   When using your water scrubber only use it in a well ventilated ***
***   area; in an open top food grade plastic container.              ***


                       **** Drinking your clean water ****
After leaving the electrical supply running for some 2-12 hours you will see a
filthy brown scum build up on the top of the water. Turn off the power and
remove 
the water purifier unit. Grab a wooden spoon and stir the water and filthy
scum into
one consistent mix. Allow the scum and water to sit in the container for 4-8
hours 
until the scum settles to the bottom where you will see the water clear to a
crystal clean state. Syphon off the clean water into clean new containers so
that sludge stays in the old contains. Then store the scrubbed clean water
in the fridge. When you first drink this water you will notice a taste that
is not unlike pure rain water. This clean water has small health benefits
which I will explain in another article some other time.

I hope people get some use from this information. If you have difficulty in
making
these simple units then give me a call and I may be able to make one for you, 
but I will have to charge a price obviously, as stainless steel is not cheep.

The above unit is my own design and is copyright material (C)1997. By G.D.Mutch.
I offer the above information as my small contribution to a better
environment which
equates to a better world for all.    

Enjoy !

G.D.&C.M.Mutch








 
   
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I cannot understand just what about an electrolysis device (masquerading 
as a water purifier), has any pertinence for the T-H Newslist group.  I 
object to having the imposition of such postings on this list!  If it was 
promised to another list, send it to the other list, but don't take up 
our list space - reading time with such stuff!

Ray

Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
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From: "G.D.Mutch" <mutchg@topaz.cqu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Why the Water purifier?
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At 01:46 PM 7/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I cannot understand just what about an electrolysis device (masquerading 
>as a water purifier), has any pertinence for the T-H Newslist group.  I 
>object to having the imposition of such postings on this list!  If it was 
>promised to another list, send it to the other list, but don't take up 
>our list space - reading time with such stuff!
>
>Ray
>
>Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
>E-mail:  RayAdams@utk.edu   -or-   rkadams@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
>WWW:   http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~rkadams/homepage.html

[sincere mode on, sacastic mode OFF ]
Ray, as a hint. Do you realise it took you more time (plus upload time) to
post a reply voicing your disconcern about my article, rather than spending
a micro second to press the delete key ? It only took up the reading time of
someone who
wanted to read it in the first place. Do you lobby the news paper to remove
all the unwanted news articles from the paper just because it takes up your
reading time ???   I think not. You would turn the page of the news paper to
the next article with-out thinking about it, and wouldn't even worry about
the previous one. 

Ray,may I suggest that you don't read any of these articles then. If you
find  being a slightly healthier person offensive than I apologise. But I
think other T/H hearers on this list would want to be concerned for their
health just the same. This device allows people to clean out SOME of the
garbage deliberately
put into our water supply: garbage like sodium fluoride. Do you know why
sodium florida was used in the water supply of 3rd reich ???  I'm not saying
this device removes all chemicals, but it removes a percentage of them.
Besides there is another totally different reason why I posted this article
to the list. 


respectfully.
G.D.Mutch
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I have heard a distinct hum for about just under a year. I have been to
ear specialists and have had an MRI and been told my hearing is
excellent and that I'm fine. This hum is almost making me disabled. I
cannot consentrate well and have a loud fan to help me sleep at night.
It sounds like something from outside my home. Everywhere I go it
follows. I ignored for the first 3-4 months untill I went on vacation
and it followed. Doctors cannot help me. I don't know much about
frequencies and such but have read about this HAARP experiment and found
out that our local Calif. University has a what is called a "heater"
that works with Haarp in Alaska to transmit signals. I don't know if
there is any correlation and there isn't anything I can do about that
anyway. I'm at a complete loss as to what I can do to get rid of my hum.
I won't ramble on anymore but if you'd like some info on me, I'm 33,
male and live in So. Calif. I can be reached at [818]346-5577. My name
is Lon. I know this "hum" is very real and I don't like it when it's put
into the same catagory as UFO's and such. I have yet to meet anyone that
hears it also. I don't like telling people about it because they think
I'm being weird. I'm glad I found you web site.  Thank you very much!
Mr. Lon Marschalk

                    

                            

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At 09:04 AM 5/8/97 -0400, G.D.Mutch wrote:

>Besides there is another totally different reason why I posted this
article ( Water Purifier ) to the list. 
>

(tongue-in-cheek mode) 
	Now you are scaring me. What reason could that be?

Colin Quinney,
Toronto, Canada.

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At 02:45 PM 8/05/97 -0700, you wrote:

[Snip]             

>is Lon. I know this "hum" is very real and I don't like it when it's put
>into the same catagory as UFO's and such. I have yet to meet anyone that
>hears it also. I don't like telling people about it because they think
>I'm being weird. I'm glad I found you web site.  Thank you very much!
>Mr. Lon Marschalk
>
                 
Welcome to the list Lon... 
You may like to read the archives on Bill Beaty's web site, this will
bring you up to speed on most of the topics discussed. That way we won't
find ourselves repeating the same old thing over again. Bill's archive is
probably getting full of repeats. :) 

respectfully
-G.D.Mutch
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At 06:36 PM 8/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:04 AM 5/8/97 -0400, G.D.Mutch wrote:
>
>>Besides there is another totally different reason why I posted this
>article ( Water Purifier ) to the list. 
>>
>
>(tongue-in-cheek mode) 
>	Now you are scaring me. What reason could that be?
>
>Colin Quinney,
>Toronto, Canada.

Sorry context mis-interpreted, I'm not sure what you mean ????

-GM


 

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I have been annoyed no end by this damned humming sound that has a variable
waver and sometimes a two-note oscilliation (perfect fifth). Seems like
there enough people, documentation, and coverage about the hum and its
possible ramifications that a concerted move on Washington led by people
who know how to do that (like R. Nader, maybe), would be a way to force the
issue. We are talking the health and well being of not only American
citizens but people all over the world being screwed with by all this
hi-tech insanity. The Feds have to be responsible. Who else could pull off
something of this magnitude? This HAARP thing sounds like the son of Dr.
Strangelove may have a hand in it! Let's start making some noise about it
in the media. Anyone out there know how to do it well?

Happy humming

Ed Parise

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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:51:08 -0400
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At 09:11 PM 9/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been annoyed no end by this damned humming sound that has a variable
>waver and sometimes a two-note oscilliation (perfect fifth). Seems like
>there enough people, documentation, and coverage about the hum and its
>possible ramifications that a concerted move on Washington led by people
>who know how to do that (like R. Nader, maybe), would be a way to force the
>issue. We are talking the health and well being of not only American
>citizens but people all over the world being screwed with by all this
>hi-tech insanity. The Feds have to be responsible. Who else could pull off
>something of this magnitude? This HAARP thing sounds like the son of Dr.
>Strangelove may have a hand in it! Let's start making some noise about it
>in the media. Anyone out there know how to do it well?
>
>Happy humming
>
>Ed Parise
>
Yes I personally agree with your statements Ed. I think we are doing a lot
of work
at the moment. Simply allowing people to come out into the open is a big
major step.
The hum suffers have been isolated by the fact that if you speak out you are
shunned and /or people start to suggest you get psychological health. Your
associates start to distances themselves. Which is the very last thing you
need when the hum hits full strength.

This isolation factor has been fully cleared away from the minds of the
people on this list. No one holds that against any other on this list. We
need to get groups together from the public which will be difficult to do
once the full facts are showed to the majority. Most people choose to live
in denial. A denial which won't let the problem go away. It will only
reinforce the EVIL intentions of those persecutors implementing this in the
first place. The persecutors know full well that no one will listen to a
person who hears noises in his/her cranium. Rather neat weapon don't you
think ? 

You see people don't like to come face to face with who they are. People
don't like
to be told they have a cold side. Most feel they have enough problems of
there own.
These problems have been deliberately manufactured to hide the full
intentions of the
EVIL persecutes as the implement more equipment and recruit countries into
the full scheme of their ideal world.

The most important thing is to never stop communication, this single factor
will 
open up doors you never thought possible. We need more people to open up to
the truth.
There will be fully knowledgable scientist on this or other list that know
full well
what is going on. They may have even help design the equipment? That fact
is, they
will cop a dose of what we are copying if they speak out. Were is the world
really headed ?  

Better days ahead.
-G.D.Mutch


 
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At 11:41 AM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 06:36 PM 8/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 09:04 AM 5/8/97 -0400, G.D.Mutch wrote:
>>
>>>Besides there is another totally different reason why I posted this
>>article ( Water Purifier ) to the list. 
>>>
>>
>>(tongue-in-cheek mode) 
>>	Now you are scaring me. What reason could that be?
>>
>>Colin Quinney,
>>Toronto, Canada.
>
>Sorry context mis-interpreted, I'm not sure what you mean ????
>
>-GM
>

Sorry, I was obviously too brief, before. I'll start over:
 
What *is* the other totally different reason that you posted the article? I
tried to think of what it could be, and other than the thought that some
weird government agency could put chemicals in our town or city water for
the purpose of doing some weird experiments on the unsuspecting
public...but then I thought that I was being kind of paranoid...but even
so, I was still left with a feeling of unease...so I posted  with tongue-in
cheek..(sort of). Does that clarify? I was too brief before. What is the
other reason?

Thanks,

Colin Quinney,
Toronto, Canada

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At 02:52 AM 10/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Sorry, I was obviously too brief, before. I'll start over:
> 
>What *is* the other totally different reason that you posted the article? I
>tried to think of what it could be, and other than the thought that some
>weird government agency could put chemicals in our town or city water for
>the purpose of doing some weird experiments on the unsuspecting
>public...but then I thought that I was being kind of paranoid...but even
>so, I was still left with a feeling of unease...so I posted  with tongue-in
>cheek..(sort of). Does that clarify? I was too brief before. What is the
>other reason?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Colin Quinney,
>Toronto, Canada

 Yes, not a bad guest... The 3rd reich discovered sodium fluoride attacks
and depletes a portion of the brain where you question or resist direct
authority. 
With this portion of your brain not functional it leaves people in a more
pacified or auto suggestive state; your will to resist is some what depleted.
Sort of like lamp to the meat works. Mutton chops any one ? 

-G.D.Mutch

 



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Forwarded message below
.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,.............................
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:30:31 -0600
From: Star Valley <stvalley@simplynet.net>
To: billb@eskimo.com
Subject: Regarding the hum

Hello Bill,

I am not a subscriber to the Taos Hum List, but I do follow it.  I Just
wanted to send you a note regarding the Space Shuttle Launch, set for
tomorrow, unless it has been changed, and I have not heard anything to that
effect. 

 When the shuttle was up on the last two missions, I did not hear the hum
the entire time they were there.  I was just wondering if this might happen
to any of the other hearers  anywhere.

Anne Reeder




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Hi to all on Taoshum.
       A little insight. I have been having a small reoccurring dream over
the last couple of months of and EYE looking at me from above. I never took
any notice of this flash dream as I thought "so what it represents the EVIL
eye of ELF (Evil Little Fellows) beam watching over me, big deal!". Well
just this weekend I went to a local fair, and what transpired gave me a
flash of insight and possibly filled in the meaning of the flash dream. 

I happened to get my health read by any eye specialist: better known as and
iridologist. This person made me look into a camera mounted on a small stand
where your head is locked into a position so it can't move, then they take a
picture of you eye. They further enlarge the picture of your eye up on a
computer monitor for you to look at. The specialist then goes through an
explains all the allergies and problems your body has, or has had previous.

I never spoke the whole time I was there in the company of this specialist
except to say yes to all that he said. There is no possible way this
specialist has had any previous knowledge of my health. The iridologist
explained every health problem I had previous, plus the current problems I
have. This was truly amazing. The important thing that really made me sit up
and take notice was the fact that he told me I have a problem coming on in
the NERO-MOTOR portion of my brain.I was stunned he could tell me that, by
just looking a my eye pattern. I further asked him what could cause this
portion of the brain to get inflamed or damaged. I suggest would radio waves
from a transmitter do it. He said "yes but they would have to be up in the
microwave range". He said that could quite possibly be the cause. He asked
where have I been exposed to that kind of RF.
I told the specialist a small fib that I worked around radar installations
and could I have a *.jpg picture on disk so I could build a case against my
employer... 

So the moral of this story for all those people who feel they are being
slowly experimented on: go to an iridologist straight away and get you eye
pattern read and post it on the net to everyone. This is an early warning
map that explains the level of problems before they occur. I give this
information to every person so they can have a detail log of how the T/H is
effecting them. This will allow us to build a strong case with irrefutable
evidenced. I will post MY EYE PATTERN TO THE NET VERY SOON, as soon as I
obtain it. I will then hope to post an eye pattern to the list every 1-3
months so people can cross reference all the occurring problems from this
EVIL RF as it occurs. People can and will be able to see the time line plus
damage done and come up with detail statistics from all people. I know this
will help the ELF (Evil Little Fellows) but it will also help build our case
much much stronger. It will show graphic detail of what is truly happening
and FINALLY not in some ones imagination. 
 
Come on guys lets get the eye maps and put all the states up for all to see.
Post anonymous EYE map to the list if you wish to. Lets just do it.

My email is sometimes blocked when I try to send to this list. I will post 
this email message two or three times if I have too. Or until most people
acknowledge
it has been received. This is out evidence guys. We may also get some false
eye maps
of healthy people posted to the list but that is life. It is called
dis-information. 


Flame away... but this might just be our small slice of evidence we are
looking for
it's worth a look at, at the very least.

respectfully 
G.D.Mutch





  
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At 03:17 PM 12/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Grant...
>   I get your posts just fine....... I know about the
>eye situation.  Keep us posted...
>                    Denis

Hi Denis. 
        Thanks for the reply... Yes I hope to keep others uptodate.
Whew did I cop a dose of T/H for that water purifier post... and my last eye
pattern post, whew wee... When I posted the water purifier post the
T/H went from nothing to full within 30sec - 1 min of posting that. <<< WACK
>>> :) I just laughed... Ha ha pissed them right off :) :) I was laid out
for most of the day but, I was on cloud 9 knowing I could directly piss them
off :) It also gave me more insight into the profile of my accusers. I hope
to post some more info with regards to their profile in the future. Ha ha,
their not as clever as they like to think they are!. The more damage they
cause the less I have got to loose; the more I post to the net so others can
get the word out. Which gives you a brief profile on their current level of
intelligence...

Hang on while I go out and wave to the pretty little aeroplane ...  HI GUYS! :) 
<<<< BIG WAVE >>>> :) :) Boring...
I can see most planes that fly over my house from where my computer is
situated. I don't know the full meaning of the planes just yet. I suspect
they loose tracking with the beam, so the plane flies over with a
transmitter,  which will enable them to regain tracking ??? Not sure. Unless
their is some type of standing magnetic field (cause by the beams) that can
be read with some type of sensitive equipment. It may also be to check the
calibration of their little ELF toys. Not sure... Interesting. Has any on
got any ideas on this ? 

One thing I noticed out of all this: they fully realise I'm prepared to
share my knowledge and current experiences to the full. They know their
little toys don't work on silencing me. They only have to toddle off an
enough some one else, and I will go back to my reclusive self. But I doubt
very much weather their filthy dirty little egos could handle that. I have
no intention of giving up my research into alternative energy. I'm not
interested on selling my research single bit. I'm researching the
alternative energy field for other reasons. If I can't research in peace
then I will set up mail bombs to post my info to every single mail address
and web site possible. I will spend my entire life in bed with a computer
posting all over the world continuously. Then they will be able to call me
an 'information terrorist' if they wish. At least I would have felt I had
'done something' to deserve the garbage that I'm coping.  But as it stands I
have done zero. I'm being persecuted for what I haven't even done. Its a bit
like terminating a healthy baby in the womb, because you had a vision the
baby would grow up to be Hitler... How can you persecuted some one for
something they haven't done? Weird really weird scenario these weirdos
operate with. But I guess EVIL has no reasoning or logic, so it looks like
I'm stuck with it. :| 

I have posted more sensitive information in the last 12 months than all the
years I have being privately researching alternative systems. Just goes to
show the level of their intelligence and how well their little ELF toys
work. :) 

I have a nice big post coming up on how to make a DIAL-UP nutter. Every one
is bound
to enjoy that!.

Yes I know: whinge whinge, gripe gripe...sorry. 

( Ho-Hum, Back to the T/H, another day sleeping lazily away while I listen
to the    welcoming hum; should be up a couple of points after this post. ) 

G.D.Mutch

P.S Apology for the grammar mistakes in my last post re: 'DIY Health
monitoring'. You can tell how bad my T/H is by the amount of grammar
mistakes that I have made in a post. A lot of concentration is needed to
post email while under heavy T/H. I'm definitely getting better at it. :)





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Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-telemetry.
NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".


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Grant....
   Just between you and me (YOUR EYES ONLY!)... This high frequency
situation here has been returning the past few weeks, tho not as bad as
it was in the fall. It does modulate somewhat from a high to a low hum
in my area. One thing I have noticed here is that everything in the
house that is electric is not at fault, but, everything has a tendency
to modulate to that external frequency and build up in some sort of
a charge which radiates and builds up power thru the whole damn house.
Almost making the whole house hum at the worst points. What I do is turn
the power off to everything in the house for about 1/2 hour two or three
times a day. This does not eliminate the problem but, it has a tendency
to disperse the charge. You could try it... perhaps it would help a bit
I don't know. Works some for me... I am also learning to adapt to it.
I am sure you will be able to do the same.  Adapting for survival until
we can find the source and eliminate it!  Also, I think afew of those on
board at the Hum site are the very people who may be causing some
of the problems, or at the very least their flunky's ( I am weary of
high tech, gobbly-Gook talk that leads nowhere at all - dead-end,
nonsense stuff) just listening in or giving mis-information, or in
cahoots with those creating of such hums. If such persons are doing so
purposefully, then I believe you are right they are traitors and the
evil amoung us, The Satans, Devils, Imps, the fallen and if their is a
God this is the reason enough for God to create a special hell for them
somewhere down the line, a special one wired just for them....... a high
hum hell for those who would perpetuate such evils on those who would
never dream of doing it to others. They are truly the scum amoung us who
think they are not..... Even the Devil doesn't think he is evil, tho he
does evil things...... I am Just giving the devil a face I guess.
              Keep a stiff upper lip old chap. . . .
                           Denis 
                         




G.D.Mutch wrote:
> 
> At 03:17 PM 12/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi Grant...
> >   I get your posts just fine....... I know about the
> >eye situation.  Keep us posted...
> >                    Denis
> 
> Hi Denis.
>         Thanks for the reply... Yes I hope to keep others uptodate.
> Whew did I cop a dose of T/H for that water purifier post... and my last eye
> pattern post, whew wee... When I posted the water purifier post the
> T/H went from nothing to full within 30sec - 1 min of posting that. <<< WACK
> >>> :) I just laughed... Ha ha pissed them right off :) :) I was laid out
> for most of the day but, I was on cloud 9 knowing I could directly piss them
> off :) It also gave me more insight into the profile of my accusers. I hope
> to post some more info with regards to their profile in the future. Ha ha,
> their not as clever as they like to think they are!. The more damage they
> cause the less I have got to loose; the more I post to the net so others can
> get the word out. Which gives you a brief profile on their current level of
> intelligence...
> 
> Hang on while I go out and wave to the pretty little aeroplane ...  HI GUYS! :)
> <<<< BIG WAVE >>>> :) :) Boring...
> I can see most planes that fly over my house from where my computer is
> situated. I don't know the full meaning of the planes just yet. I suspect
> they loose tracking with the beam, so the plane flies over with a
> transmitter,  which will enable them to regain tracking ??? Not sure. Unless
> their is some type of standing magnetic field (cause by the beams) that can
> be read with some type of sensitive equipment. It may also be to check the
> calibration of their little ELF toys. Not sure... Interesting. Has any on
> got any ideas on this ?
> 
> One thing I noticed out of all this: they fully realise I'm prepared to
> share my knowledge and current experiences to the full. They know their
> little toys don't work on silencing me. They only have to toddle off an
> enough some one else, and I will go back to my reclusive self. But I doubt
> very much weather their filthy dirty little egos could handle that. I have
> no intention of giving up my research into alternative energy. I'm not
> interested on selling my research single bit. I'm researching the
> alternative energy field for other reasons. If I can't research in peace
> then I will set up mail bombs to post my info to every single mail address
> and web site possible. I will spend my entire life in bed with a computer
> posting all over the world continuously. Then they will be able to call me
> an 'information terrorist' if they wish. At least I would have felt I had
> 'done something' to deserve the garbage that I'm coping.  But as it stands I
> have done zero. I'm being persecuted for what I haven't even done. Its a bit
> like terminating a healthy baby in the womb, because you had a vision the
> baby would grow up to be Hitler... How can you persecuted some one for
> something they haven't done? Weird really weird scenario these weirdos
> operate with. But I guess EVIL has no reasoning or logic, so it looks like
> I'm stuck with it. :|
> 
> I have posted more sensitive information in the last 12 months than all the
> years I have being privately researching alternative systems. Just goes to
> show the level of their intelligence and how well their little ELF toys
> work. :)
> 
> I have a nice big post coming up on how to make a DIAL-UP nutter. Every one
> is bound
> to enjoy that!.
> 
> Yes I know: whinge whinge, gripe gripe...sorry.
> 
> ( Ho-Hum, Back to the T/H, another day sleeping lazily away while I listen
> to the    welcoming hum; should be up a couple of points after this post. )
> 
> G.D.Mutch
> 
> P.S Apology for the grammar mistakes in my last post re: 'DIY Health
> monitoring'. You can tell how bad my T/H is by the amount of grammar
> mistakes that I have made in a post. A lot of concentration is needed to
> post email while under heavy T/H. I'm definitely getting better at it. :)
> 
> =IIII== E-mail: mutchg@topaz.cqu.edu.au ===================================IIII=
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>   ||    \_.--._/               .  Queensland.    | Health, Wealth ,Personal ||
>   II  Great/ s@uthern/ land/  *   Australia.     | & Social Values Today.   II
> =IIII====================================================By=Ascii=Arts=====IIII=
> Current member of Amnesty International.
> Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-telemetry.
> NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".

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At 02:00 PM 5/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
><---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
>Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:31:18 -0400
>From: Abe <egberrt@b4futures.net>
>To: Fourth Millennium <zap@dnai.com>
>Subject: Re: Population control  005
>
>I didn't say anything about the nukes, that was zeropoint.. 
>but I agree, I've read a book of nostradamus's prophecies 
>and seen some shows.
>
>It will be interesting to note also that from my brief 
>studies? in numerology I've learned that the three most 
>"powerful" numbers are 11,22 and 33.  Everything about a 
>person nearly can be predicted by knowing their full name 
>and birthdate.. I've tried it and it can describe you
>very well, I'm sure many of you would agree that numbers can 
>have hidden effects, it goes along with a theory of 
>everything.. anyway I've tried figuring out the values of 
>alot of words and names, and I've only found three that have 
>come out to 11,22 or 33 (I admit I haven't tried a whole
>ton of words) and two of them were Bill whatever Clinton = 
>22 and Mabus - the name of the antichrist as predicted by 
>nostradamus I guess = 11..
>

:) Sounds like you have been chasing that elusive number 666 ? :) 
It's not quite where you are looking as most people have tried the direct
approach. Play around with the reciprocal frequency values of the human
brain and see interesting things the inverse fundmentals show... Remember
the great biblical quote said: "for it is a mans number" the quote didn't
say a man 'singular' or a men 'plural'... so it could easily mean all men,
ie. all men of this earth. 

The following is just some figures I have played around with. 
Remembering 7.? hz is also the resonant frequency of the earth.

*** Known frequencies of the human brain .
                
***
Freq.       Recip      inverse    Recip.    Freq. 
--------------------------------------------------------
28.0    =   0.035                 0.037  =  26.64  --      
14.0    =   0.070                 0.075  =  13.33    | Very close to the 
7.0     =   0.140 <==  Fund.  ==> 0.150  =  6.66     | human brain switch freq. 
3.5     =   0.280                 0.300  =  3.33   --      

The above is just a play with numbers, but if I was to build a
machine(beast) to 
control humans in general I would need a frequency that was very close to all
know brain states but not the exact brain frequency else the motives behind
the machine would be easily recognised. The fundamental 6.66 just happens to
be very close to those frequencies. It is widely know that only specialised
organisations transmit in the ELF bands of the human frequencies. These
transmissions allow full interferrence to fellow human beings and wild life,
like dophins, whales pigeons, some fish like samlond. We primitive human
species are not very nice to our animals or our fellow human beings are we? 

Their needs to be a global awakening NOW!, before it is to late. Before big-
brother gets his global machine(beast) fully functional, before the ID cards
and ID chips are conditioned onto us through clever TV advertisement. Stop the
biotelemetry before it gets into the full control of the minority. We know it
is coming. Eg. Woolworths (Aust.) now have micro-thin telemetry transmitter
bar codes stickers on most of their grocery items. These stickers have tiny
transmitters under the label, and transmit an Id. back to the store security
if someone tries to shoplift. You see how we are all slowly being
conditioned to allow our selfs to be controlled by a global computer
networks. The next conditioning will be Id.chips for children and elderly
people incase they get lost. Or telemetry chips to monitor grand dads heart,
lungs or kidney problems. This will let the doctor press a button on his
computer and give grand dad the right dose of drugs from within side the
device in his body... 

Watch for their clever brand of conditioning advertisement. Remember what
their global aim is and it will all fall neatly into place. Watch every move
being put into place to make us have no choice but to except the ID system.
Watch the banks merge into one, watch the money keep getting smaller and
smaller to match the favorite credit card size, and possibly/eventually turn
into anouying coins which by then will become too expensive for the govt.
mint to produce, so the govt. will 'tell' us it has be phased out. This will
leave only the ID chips and smart-cards to use for purchasing. Hmm... where
have I read that before ?

Remember that it is also your choice not to have any thing to do with this
fast approaching belief system. 


concerned citizen
G.D.Mutch



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I am recruiting volunteers to take part in a three month study of the low
frequency hum 
some times referred to as the "Taos Hum".  I require a large number of
individuals 
who are sensitive to the phenomena.  Details are contained in the attached
file.  
Please contact me at toml@accnorwalk, if interested in study. 

Tom Lesnewski	
toml@accnorwalk.com

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\par }\pard {\b\fs32 Proposal: }{\fs28  Conduct a three month study looking for patterns in the "Taos-Hum" as perceived by individuals sensitive to the phenomena}{\b\fs32 
\par 
\par Description :
\par }{\b\fs24 
\par }{\fs24 A network of "hum" perceiver volunteers, will record  the intensity and characteristics of the "hum" at approximately 12 hour intervals.  Each reporter will evaluate  the  hum using 
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\par See attached for Scale. These reports will be forwarded to the coordinator by way of Email at least once per week
.  The coordinator will record and analyze the data forwarded by the reporters. The final report and data will be made available to anyone who is interested. This study will run for 3 months. 
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\par 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par }\pard \qc {\fs24 \page }{\fs36 Low Frequency "Hum" Global Profiling Project
\par }{\fs24 
\par }{\fs36 Intensity Rating Scale 
\par 
\par }\pard {\fs32 0\tab -\tab No sense of hum
\par 1\tab -\tab Hum barely detectable
\par 2\tab -\tab Hum is definitely detectable with quiet background
\par 3\tab -\tab Hum is a nuisance at times, heard much of the time \tab \tab \tab even without quiet surroundings.
\par 4\tab -\tab Hum heard most or all the time, strong signal, disrupts \tab \tab \tab thought when studying or doing anything quiet, no \tab \tab \tab physical symptoms however.
\par 5\tab -\tab Hum is loud, difficulty concentrating, or going to \tab \tab \tab \tab sleep, headaches, mild irritability
\par 6\tab -\tab Physical and Psychological effects noted, exhaustion, \tab \tab \tab getting tense, very irritable, aching joints, muscles etc.}{\fs36 
\par }{\fs24 \page 
\par 
\par 
\par }\pard \qc {\fs36 Global Hum Profile 
\par Data Elements
\par }{\fs24 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par }\pard \fi-1440\li1440\tx2610 {\fs24 ID :\tab _________ \tab \tab \tab  (this will be the unique identify you will be \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab assigned after you register.)
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\par Intensity \tab __ \tab \tab \tab (1 -6)  [i.e.  2.0 or 3.5 etc.] (see scale)
\par 
\par Tendency\tab __ \tab \tab \tab ( 0 = Steady , +1 = increasing, -1 = decreasing, +2 = \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab reached peak  during period then decreased, -2 = \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab reached minimum during period  then increased)
\par 
\par Day\tab \tab _ _  \tab \tab \tab (1 -31) GMT
\par 
\par Month\tab \tab _ _ \tab  \tab \tab ( 1 -12) GMT 
\par 
\par Year\tab \tab 1997
\par 
\par Time \tab \tab _ _\tab \tab \tab ( hhmm 1 -24)  GMT \tab \tab 
\par 
\par 
\par }\pard \fi-1080\li1080 {\fs24 Remarks:   \tab \tab \tab \tab Observations about the hum characteristics or \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab perceptions that you wish to report.  If report is \tab \tab \tab \tab \tab 
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\par }\pard \qc {\fs36 Global Hum Profile 
\par }\pard \qc\fi-1080\li1080 {\fs36 Report Format
\par 
\par }\pard \fi-360\li360 {\fs24\ul Directions}{\fs24 : Reports are to forwarded at least once per week.  Observations should be recorded at a minimum of twice per day.  Data should be recorded in a Comma Separated Value format (CSV). Email these reports 
to }{
\b\fs24 toml@accnorwalk.com}{\fs24  and place the words \ldblquote }{\b\fs24 hum profile report}{\fs24 \rdblquote  in the subject line.
\par 
\par 
\par }\pard {\fs24 Examples: 
\par 
\par }{\b\fs24 NV0285,3,0,15,05,1997,0715, with occasional peaks - weather:stormy last night
\par }{\fs24 
\par }{\fs24\ul explanation}{\fs24 :  observer NV0285 reports intensity three (3), steady thought the observatio
n period (0) , report date of May (05) 15th (15) 1997, time of 0715 hrs (date and time are in GMT), comments of peaks in hum and the weather conditions. 
\par 
\par }{\b\fs24 OH0025,2.5,+2,04,05,1997,1900, peaked at intensity 6 at 1400hrs GMT
\par }{\fs24 
\par }{\fs24\ul explanation: }{\fs24  Observer OH0025 reports intensity 2.5 at 1900hrs on May 4,1997 GMT. The hum intensity peaked at level 6 at 1400 hrs GMT and then decreased to current level.
\par 
\par }{\b\fs24 NZ0234,0,0,01,05,1997,0800,on holiday at .......
\par 
\par }{\fs24\ul explanation:  }{\fs24 Observer NZ0234 reports no hum (0), Steady (0) at 0800 hrs on May 1, 1997 GMT  and notes (s)he is not at normal location but on holiday at ...... (some location (be specific lat/long, city etc. ) 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par 
\par }{\fs32 Typical multi-observation report would look like --
\par 
\par to: toml@cyberusa
\par subject: hum profile report
\par 
\par }{\fs28 GB0233,3,-1,03,04,1997,0100,hot- and humid - feeling tired
\par GB0233,4,+1,03,04,1997,1300,hot and humid rain
\par GB0233,3,-1,04,04,1997,0230,cool clearing - feeling tense
\par GB0233,3,-1,04,04,1997,1400,hot and humid}{\fs24 
\par \page 
\par }\pard \qc {\fs36 Low Frequency "Hum" Global Profiling Project
\par }{\fs24 
\par }{\fs28 Registration
\par 
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Subject: A-Gulf1 Part 2 of 3 


 
                Active Duty Military Intimidated Into Silence
 
 I was approached at one point in time by someone who lead me to Drs. Garth
 and Nancy Nicholson, who are heroes in my mind. They are both Ph.D.
 scientists at the M.D.Anderson Cancer Center. Their daughter was in the
 101st Airborne that did deep insertions into Iraq. Many of the 101st
 Airborne have called me and many of them are sick. The 82nd Airborne is
 sick. Men and women at Fort Hood, Texas are sick. Camp Pendleton. Camp
 LeJeune. Fort Riley is really sick right now. These people are not allowed
 to talk about this in the military. They are not allowed to tell people
 about the Gulf War Illness. They are not allowed to admit to it. I have
 even visited Gulf War vets at Brook Army Medical Hospital, and they are not
 even allowed to talk about it. I took some Gulf War information over there
 and the patients had to hide it so the doctors would not see it. So, the
 Nicholson's daughter came back from Iraq sick. She gave the disease to the
 family - to Garth and Nancy, who live in Houston, and also to the family
 cat. The cat died. Before the cat died, they tested all of their blood.
 They found that they were positive for something called Mycoplasma
 Incognitas, which is the chief biological agent we find to be responsible
 for a lot of the illness of the veterans.
 
                            Mycoplasma Incognitas
 
 I will explain this to you by saying that Mycoplasma Incognitas is between
 the size of a bacteria and a virus. It travels through a population, and as
 long as your immune system is all right it will not affect you. But,
 according to the Nicholson's, who are both Ph.D. cellular biologists, they
 found that the scientists who were involved in this horrible plot inserted
 40% of the HIV envelope gene into the Mycoplasma. What this means is that
 it doesn't give you HIV, but it gives you the symptoms. So, they found this
 and realized that they had a germ warfare agent on their hands. It is the
 first biological agent identified. There have been others.
 
    U.S. Government Refuses to Dispense Known Treatment to Affected People
 
 The Nicholson's went to the laboratory to discover how to treat this. They
 found that an antibiotic called Doxycycline was the most effective. The
 United States military will not allow military members under their control
 to have Doxycycline or VA hospitals to dispense Doxycycline. They are
 simply not allowed to have it. I got a call from a Special Forces commander
 who had been retired for one year. He said, "I have had it. I came home. I
 served my country. I got my blood sent to Dr. Nicholson for free testing
 and got my prescription for Doxycycline. I went to have it filled and not
 only did that take away my military ID card, but they would not allow me to
 have the Doxycycline to save my life." You see, the disease is contagious,
 and now the wives and children are getting it. It is going to affect you in
 the general population. That is why it is so important to understand how
 serious this is. It is not just the United States. It is a worldwide
 program. There were 28 countries that served with the United States in
 Iraq. All 28 countries now report that their men and women are also sick.
 But Drs. Garth and Nancy Nicholson revealed that a Houston company was
 involved in the manufacture of a biological weapon that was sold to Iraq
 and was used on American soldiers in the Gulf War. Since we came out with
 the names of these companies, there have been lawsuits filed against those
 corporations.
 
                           Symptoms of the Syndrome
 
 These are the symptoms of the syndrome. You may look at this and it may not
 seem very significant to you, so if you look at aching joints and go to
 your doctor and say "I have aching joints" or you say "I have chronic
 fatigue", or you say "I don't have the memory I used to", they will not say
 anything. When I am talking about memory loss, I am talking about the kind
 where you have to wear a beeper so your family can find you. One young man
 told me, "I can only remember today. I can't remember what happened
 yesterday." He was 27 years old. We are talking about a problem known as
 night sweats. Any Gulf War veteran who has the Mycoplasma knows about night
 sweats. You have to change your linens twice a night. The muscle spasms get
 so bad that you can't stand it and people scream in pain. There is also
 loss of eyesight, breathing problems, and chest pains because the
 Mycoplasma settles in the atrium of the heart. All of these are problems
 that become worse.
 
 The problem is that the government is telling the people of the United
 States "there is no Gulf War Illness". The doctors in this country think
 there is no Gulf War Illness. So, when people come in and complain about
 the symptoms, they are turned aside and told that the problem is
 psychological in nature.
 
             Deformed Children Caused by U.S. Corporate Genocide
 
 Now, you are not being told about the babies that are being born deformed.
 There is a Gulf War Baby Foundation formed to register babies who have
 contracted the syndrome. There are so many that are being born deformed.
 You are not being told about this. Dan Rather doesn't tell you about it,
 does he? No. And so, you think that if it isn't on the nightly news it must
 not be true, right? If a tree falls in the forest and Dan Rather doesn't
 cover it, does it still make a noise? Think about it.
 
 Gulf War babies are severely deformed. In fact, according to Nation
 Magazine, "studies have shown that 67% of babies born to Gulf War veterans
 are deformed. What have they done to our future generations? What have they
 done to their DNA?
 
 There was an article that appeared in Life Magazine in November 1995
 featuring a man in the 82nd Airborne at Fort Brag, North Carolina. This
 young man has a child with no arms and no legs. I know of a nurse in San
 Antonio who knows of 50 children like this.
 
 When our soldiers risked their lives in the Gulf, they never imagined that
 their children would face these consequences or that their country would
 turn its back on them. You are hearing what perhaps 1% of the country knows
 today. It will take your help to get this story out. There is no way these
 parents can afford to take care of these children. (Shows pictures of
 children).
 
 The Reigle Reports and Congressional Knowledge About the Problem Covered Up
 
 This is something that the government is trying to keep you from knowing
 about. The Reigle report is evidence that biological and chemical weapons
 were used on our troops. It was presented to the United States Senate, but
 it has been withheld from you. They don't want you to see it. A news
 release went out that Senator Reigle from Michigan was a brave man for
 doing this. He is no longer in the Senate. He had to pay for the report to
 be done. The Feb. 1994 news release said, "Reigle Uncovers U.S. Shipment of
 Biological Warfare Materials to Iraq Prior to Gulf War". The release went
 on to say, "there is evidence of transmission to family members. I am
 deeply troubled that the United States permitted the sale of deadly
 biological agents to a country with a known biological warfare program."
 There is no blood ban stopping Gulf War veterans from donating blood to the
 general blood supply that the general population uses. Reigle also sent a
 letter to Secretary of Defense Perry on Feb. 9, 1994 and talked about the
 exposure of Gulf War veterans and the transmission of the disease to
 spouses and children. He found out that we had been exporting these
 biological substances through ATCC. This information is known to every
 Senator that was in office in 1994. Why aren't they doing something about
 it. Why weren't you told about it? Reigle also said to Secretary Perry,
 "without proper treatment and testing, their condition will worsen. They
 cannot wait. Many are now destitute, with their savings spent on medical
 care not provided by the government.
 
 According to Senator Reigle, "the Department of Defense refuses to
 acknowledge any part of the problem. Their blanket denials are not
 credible. To my mind, there is no more serious crime than an official
 military cover-up of facts that could prevent more effective diagnosis and
 treatment of sick U.S. veterans. It is an astonishing example that the
 Defense Department is going to deny reality."
 
 The Veterans Administration is not treating Gulf War veterans, but only
 monitoring their blood to see how well the biological warfare agents
 worked. They are not treating the Gulf War veterans.
 
 (Here she details the bacteriological substance shipped. See attachment
 from the Reigle Report at the end of this transcript).
 
          Proof of Chemical Weapon Use from the Schwartzkoff NBC Log
 
 (Slide Shown) Here is how we know the biologicals were used. What I am
 showing you was once a classified document. It is part of the
 Chemical-Biological log that belonged to General Norman Schwartzkoff in
 CENTCOM. He was responsible for central command. The NBC log is sort of a
 roadmap of the war and what transpired. You can see here that it says,
 "Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldiers of the 3rd AD have blisters,
 characteristic of mustard chemical agent, on upper and lower arms."
 Remember the official statement? "No Biological or Chemical Weapons Used".
 The log continues, "ARCENT advised that casualty happened on afternoon of
 28 Feb., a reddening of the skin and small blisters." I want you to know
 that I talked to several of the MEDIVAC flight nurses who accompanied the
 troops out of the theater of operations, and they told me that many of the
 men had no skin on them, that their skin was falling off. Evidence of a
 chemical burn. So, this is known information. Some of the autopsies done at
 Dover, Delaware found that some of the deaths were due to chemical
 poisoning.
 
 Schwartzkoff's NBC log continues, "Msgt Blue called. Subject: Commanders
 Guidance for Disposition of captured chemical and biological munitions."
 They had captured them and they knew they existed. Continuing, "field
 destruction is OK, but bulk destruction may have international
 implications." I have a number of these pages that were released under a
 FOIA request, and there are about 100 pages that were released to the Gulf
 War Veterans of Georgia. My hat is off to all the Gulf War Veterans that
 have been trying to take this message to the public for the last four
 years.
 
 (Slide Shown) Anybody who was in Desert Storm knows what these are. The
 little "PB" pills which are a pre-treatment pill for a nerve agent. In
 other words, if you were going to be affected by a nerve agent such as
 Soman, you would take this pill in advance and it was supposed to help you.
 However, you should never take this unless you actually are affected,
 because it builds up in the body and it creates many problems.
 
             International Media Comes to the U.S. to Investigate
 
 (Slide Shown) This is an article that came out of the Sunday Times in
 London. The BBC has been over here investigating this quite heavily because
 they have so many people in England that are sick from all of this. The
 Italian equivalent to "60 Minutes" has been over here filming on the
 subject, because the Italian soldiers are sick also. It's country after
 country.
 
             U.S. Companies Sold Iraq New Genocidal Anthrax Toxin
 
 This is why I am scared about what is going on with the biological warfare.
 It hasn't stopped, because Saddam Hussein still has these things. Reading
 the Sunday Times article, we see that "Russia has developed a powerful new
 poison with no antidote that could be used in biological weapons. It is a
 variation of the anthrax toxin that causes death within days. It has been
 genetically engineered to make it resistant to antibiotics. The toxin is so
 powerful that a tiny amount that would fit on a pinhead would theoretically
 kill 500,000 people." Can you imagine what that would do to the WATER
 SUPPLY? Saddam Hussein had thousands of pounds of this substance that was
 given to him by United States companies.
 
                  Veteran Medical Files Destroyed or Missing
 
 Guess what happened to our veterans medical files? They are destroyed.
 There was actually an attorney who was sent to prison for destroying
 veterans medical files. Many of the medical files of Gulf War veterans are
 missing. No only are they missing, but now the proof that they received the
 vaccinations is now missing.
 
       Gulf War Participants Force-Injected With Experimental Vaccines
 
 Let's talk about how we were affected on the biological side. The first way
 was with the immunizations. We were given 10 or 11 immunizations prior to
 going to the gulf. We don't know everything we got. Some of us got sick
 afterwards. The Anthrax vaccinations were given over in the Gulf, in the
 theater of operations, and you were forced to submit to it. If you didn't
 take it, you were court-martialed. People were put into a room like this,
 the doors were locked, and they had security guards with side arm who stood
 by while people were forced to take this injection. Why? Why would they do
 this to people? The Anthrax "vaccine" had not been approved and was
 experimental. The injection for Botulism was also dangerous. All of these
 things in combination created a problem.
 
                 The Soviet Doctrine: The Biological Cocktail
 
 But, the real problem that we believe to be the main transmission agent was
 via the SCUD-B and FROG missiles. You see, the SCUD missiles that Hussein
 used on us had biological and chemical agents in them. When the Patriots
 shot them down, it rained biological and chemical agents down on the
 troops. In terms of biological warfare, they used what is called the SOVIET
 DOCTRINE, in which 18-20 biological agents were mixed together in the tanks
 of the SCUD missiles. Because the batch contained so many biological
 agents, it effectively confuses the diagnosis and the treatment process.
 Now, ask yourself this.
 
            Media Projects Responsibility on Iraq for U.S. Crimes
 
 What is the press coming out and saying? If you read the media, which I
 hope you don't, you will see an article in the Kansas City Star on October
 14th that said, "Iraq Sanctioned", in which they claimed "Iraq lied to us
 about having and using biological weapons." You know as well as I do that
 they have satellites in the sky that enable them to see what you are having
 for dinner. You know they knew what Hussein had, because they sold it to
 them. Absolutely.
 
 This is what I want you to be watching for, because this is going to be the
 cover story. They are going to have to deal with the Gulf War illness
 because so many people have it now. In fact, I will tell you now that
 because we know that over 10,000 have already died, and we believe 500,000
 of our Gulf War veterans to be sick, Dr. Nicholson told me that 20% of the
 people around the theater of operations (United Arab Emirates, Bahrain,
 etc.) are now sick. It is coming to a place near you, believe me. The
 chronic fatigue syndrome. I got a call from a doctor the other day who told
 me that he has 15 patients with CFS, and they don't know anyone who went to
 the Gulf War. It's transmissible through sex and through kissing, because
 it is now found in the dental floss test, where you can see evidence of the
 mycoplasma. It is communicable and it is going to be growing.
 
 A doctor called me the other day, and he said, "I don't know what's going
 on. I volunteered to take care of these Gulf War veterans because the VA
 wouldn't take care of them, and now I'm sick with the same problem. Can you
 help me understand why I'm sick?" I said, "don't you know its a
 communicable disease?" He had no idea, because the official position of the
 U.S. Government is that "there is no Gulf War illness."
 
 Peter Kawaja has been talking about the fact that "GF" was used during the
 war. Nobody ever mentioned "GF" or even heard of it, except Peter Kawaja,
 and he kept saying "GF was used." Well, the substance called "GF" is made
 by the U.S. Department of the Army. The government made it. I have evidence
 in the government logs of "GF" having been used during the war, but no one
 ever addressed "GF" until a U.S. News and World Report article came out on
 September 11, 1995. In this, they have the UN inspector going over to Iraq
 and inspecting the SCUDS and voicing the "sudden realization" that "Oh,
 they had all this nasty stuff over there after all that the Iraqis didn't
 tell us about". Well, I have evidence in a Pentagon report that shows that
 we knew about it more than 30 days before the war started. The U.S.
 government knew it was in the SCUDS, because the U.S. companies sold it to
 Iraq in the first place. It's interesting that in this story the UN
 inspector is trying to cover himself by saying what he did. The fact that
 "GF" is mentioned in Schwartzkoff's NBC log also proves the military knew
 it was there.
 
 The True Origin of The "New" Emerging Biological Diseases is the Biological
  Cocktail Thrust on the Planet By U.S. Companies, Disguised in the Media as
     "Mysterious New Diseases" from "Nowhere" In Order to Cover Up Crimes
                        Against Humanity and Genocide
 
 An article came out in Scientific American in October 1995 that was very
 fascinating reading. They have to deal with the results of this biological
 warfare, because too many people are getting sick and too many people are
 dying. How are they going to deal with it? The title of the article in
 Scientific American was, "Dangers from new viral plagues." Have you been
 seeing anything in the newspaper about Dengue fever in South America, or
 about these "strange" viral hemorragic diseases that are "suddenly
 attacking us" from "nowhere"? Guess what. They came out of the Gulf War!
 And, they are now calling it "emerging viruses". Hemorragic fever viruses
 are among the most dangerous biological agents known. The Ebola virus. You
 didn't hear about that before the Gulf War, did you?
 
 The article in the Scientific American wants you to believe that all of a
 sudden we are going to be having all these incredible viruses, all over the
 world, appearing for no reason at all. Many biologists are saying that they
 never heard of any of these things before. How many of you ever heard of
 the Hantavirus before the Gulf War? Remember the Hantavirus in New Mexico,
 caused by "mouse droppings"? I guess we didn't have mouse droppings before
 the Gulf War, right? We didn't hear about Ebola before the Gulf War. We
 didn't hear so much about Chronic Fatigue before the Gulf War. A lot of
 these things we never had a problem with before the Gulf War. A lot of them
 were used during that time and supplied by United States companies.
 
 Now, the media tells you "why" we are "going to have this incredible
 problem." Scientific American tells us, "the primary cause of most cases of
 hemorragic fever is ecological disruption resulting from human activity."
 In other words, we cut down too many trees in the rain forest and those
 bugs are going to get us. That's what they are trying to get you to
 believe, that it is because of cutting down too many trees in the rain
 forest. Well, they are calling them hemorragic fever viruses now. I've
 never heard of hemorragic fever viruses. I've been a nurse for 25 years and
 I have never heard about them. But, now some of the Gulf War illnesses
 contain hemorragic fever viruses. Some Gulf War veterans have called me and
 have said that they are bleeding from every part of their body. It is
 similar to the Ebola virus, but it takes two years to kill them - slowly.
 How many of you have seen the movie Outbreak? That is your homework.
 
        Were the 1995 Chicago Heat Wave Deaths Really Something Else?
 
 Why am I concerned about this? I was having lunch with Peter Kawaja, and I
 noticed this article in USA Today, and I couldn't believe what I was
 seeing. Remember when there was that period of incredible heatwaves in
 Chicago and all these people were dying? Well, look here in this article,
 where it shows lines of refrigerated trucks brought in to store bodies.
 Since when did we have so many bodies that we had to put them in trucks?
 This is the part that concerns me: The bodies were stored in nine donated
 refrigerated trucks that were to be destroyed after use. Now, if we went
 and destroyed every hospital and funeral home after a body was in there, we
 wouldn't have much left, would we? Why would they want to destroy the
 trucks? Were they contaminated? Was there a disease? I don't know. All I
 know is that when you read material in the newspaper, check it out very
 carefully. Ask questions! Don't assume they are telling you the whole
 story.
 
    U.S. Ships Enough Biological Agents To Iraq to Kill the Entire Planet
 
 (Slide Shown) Now, this was faxed to me by people in Britain. Remember that
 we said that this new Anthrax toxin could kill 500,000 people with an
 amount on the head of a pin? United States companies shipped Saddam Hussein
 1,500 gallons of Anthrax. It had already been loaded into bombs and missile
 warheads in Baghdad. Out of 39 tons of biological warfare agents imported
 by Iraq from the United States, each ton could have produced ten tons of
 biological warfare material. How much does he need, anyway?
 
             The Post Gulf-War Emergence of Flesh-Eating Bacteria
 
 Over 50,000 U.S. and British troops have suffered symptoms, ranging from
 broken down immune systems to wasting flesh. How many of you have heard of
 flesh-eating bacteria? Didn't hear about it before the Gulf War, did you?
 Wonder why? It's part of it. Some of the Gulf War babies are born with
 flesh-eating bacteria already hard at work.
 
 U.S. Government Increases Budget to Bury Veterans But Denies Them Money for
                                 Assistance
 
 (Slide Shown) This is an article from a British newspaper. It says, "the
 U.S. Defense Department has increased its budget for burial of Gulf War
 veterans." They haven't announced this too widely in the United States,
 have they? That's what they are doing. They are denying the problem exists,
 denying that biological weapons were used, and increasing the capability to
 bury people. How can we treat people like this?
 
  The Attempt to Bring George Bush to a War Crimes Tribunal Thwarted by U.S.
                         "Justice" Department in 1993
 
 Did you know that George Bush was almost brought up before a Grand Jury? He
 was subpoenaed in an illegal export case that involved shipment of
 biological agents to Saddam Hussein. You didn't know about that, did you?
 He was. In 1993 the "Justice Department" said, "he doesn't have to do it."
 George Bush was brought up before a war crimes tribunal. You didn't know
 about that either, right? Get the book by Ramsey Clark.
 
    Emergence of Post-Gulf War Biological Problems Coincides With Massive
                         National Injection Programs
 
 So, what are we doing in America? We are inoculating everybody. Why? Why is
 the government so big on inoculating everybody. Every newspaper in the
 country had a front page color picture of inoculation. They are trying to
 justify it. Why? In Houston, you can drive down a certain street where they
 have nurses lined up along the street. You put your arm out the window of
 the car and they inject you. Why? America, we have to stop holding out our
 arms to anybody that comes along and says, "We're from the government. We
 are going to help you. You need this shot". Why do I need this shot? I got
 too many shots during the Gulf War and I paid dearly for it. I will never
 do that again. Know your rights.
 
 U.S. Troops Inoculated Before Going to Bosnia Are Coming Down With the Same
                                   Symptoms
 
 (Slide Shown) Why does this picture appear in the paper? They are
 inoculating all the troops going to Bosnia. I am just now starting to get
 reports from the troops in Bosnia that some of them now have the
 characteristic rash, which is a cardinal clinical sign of the Gulf War
 Illness. Its the only sign you can see at this early stage, until they
 start losing weight, their hair, and start aging.
 
 Many people come to me when they discover that they have this rash. It's a
 sign of biological and chemical warfare. WE ARE DOING IT TO OUR TROOPS IN
 BOSNIA.
 
   U.S. Troops Inoculated Before Going to Somalia Are Coming Down With the
                                Same Symptoms
 
 The U.S. troops that are coming back from Somalia are coming back sick,
 too, with all the same symptoms and problems as the Persian Gulf veterans.
 
 Bush and Clinton "Justice Departments" Refuse to Prosecute Bioweapon Supply
                Companies Under the Trading With the Enemy Act
 
 Now, I want to show you this. It appeared in Media Bypass recently. It was
 January 1996. In this issue, Sarah McClendon, who was a wire service person
 in Washington, has kind of seen the light. She is in her 80's now, but she
 follows every story. I want you to see what she has written, because she
 was a "government person" beforehand. And now, I will tell you, that she
 has truly "changed sides."
 
 She writes, "Proof is building up stronger than ever that big U.S.
 corporations [Editor Note: The U.S. Government is also a corporation] made
 the weapons that Saddam Hussein used to kill American soldiers in the
 Persian Gulf War. These corporations also provided the chemical and
 biological weapons that the Iraqis used to make thousands of surviving
 soldiers ill. Both the Bush and Clinton Administration Justice Departments
 agreed not to prosecute for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY. "
 
 
 


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There have been a number of posting on Taos hum that may, or may not
have a direct relation to the hum phenomena.  As the hum is not an
understood thing, this is understandable to a point.

A recent posting on the Gulf War syndrome goes much too far in my
opinion.  This posting is full of outright misinformation, and is a
excellent example of sensationalisim.

Chronic fatigue syndrome has not been tied to mycoplasma, it is not
transmissible.  It is true that some (military) doctors are
investigating some similarities (and differances) between CFS and Gulf
War Syndrome, but these are not the same conditions.

CFS was known well before the Gulf War.  Further, Ebola was also known
well before the gulf war, as was Hantavirus.

Clearly the original writer of this article simply had not bothered to
check their facts.  There are so many errors and misleading statements
made in this posting, that any conclusions reached must be suspect.

If we are ever going to get to the truth behind any phenomena, we need
to seperate facts from misinformation and sensationalisim.  This is
especially true when we are talking about serious situations where
people are being effected, as is the case for Gulf War Syndrome, the
Taos Hum, and CFS.

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Hi all,
Here is an item that I found from the UK UFO Network :

Regards, 
Ron.
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Humming noise the buzz in Northeast Kingdom Town

NEWARK[, VT] - The group of people who report hearing a mysterious
humming sound in the Northeast Kingdom is growing.

Newark artist Claire van Vliet, who complained of the noise two
weeks ago in a story in the Caledonian-Record newspaper, said she has
been contacted by people who have heard humming noises elsewhere in
the Northeast Kingdom and in the United States.

The humming noise has changed, van Vliet said.

When the story hit the national news, the humming stopped for a few
days and started up again with a slightly higher-pitched frequency.
It is steadier, she said.

Steven Weaver of Waterford said had been hearing the noise on and
off since 1989. Thinking he was the only person who did, he
eventually stopped mentioning it to other.

"I'm just kind of relieved that someone else (in the Northeast
Kingdom) has been hearing the hum," he said.

Van Vliet and other hearers are convinced the sound is of military
origin.

U.S. Navy "ELF" (extremely low frequency) stations in the Michigan
peninsula and Wisconsin were scrutinized as the possible source in a
New Mexico study of another mysterious humming noise.

The New Mexico study concluded the ELF could not be the source (of this
latter hum - RH).

Source: Nando Times
Date: March 26, 1997

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>Van Vliet and other hearers are convinced the sound is of military
>origin.
>
>U.S. Navy "ELF" (extremely low frequency) stations in the Michigan
>peninsula and Wisconsin were scrutinized as the possible source in a
>New Mexico study of another mysterious humming noise.
>
>The New Mexico study concluded the ELF could not be the source (of this
>latter hum - RH).
>
>Source: Nando Times
>Date: March 26, 1997
>

Talking about military bases. Where I live here in Rockhampton there is now a
big push to try and get more foreign military bases here. I wonder why ??? 
Curiosity runs wild. I wonder what their real motives are. May be they think
we are going to need a peace keeping force here all of a sudden ???  I
wonder if they will use the ELF ground wave generators to cause mass
rioting. What better place to put a hum generator than inside a military
base where the local government/citizens have no way of getting at it to
prove its use ??? I feel I know alot more of how mass rioting and social
degradation is accomplish.

Most ELF sufferers know they can turn the humming sensation off or on to
some small degree if they relax. If you drop you brain state down to alpha
~7 hz, you will start to here a high pitch sound, then the hum not long
after that. If your brain is NOT allowed to relax while resting or sleeping
then you will wake or walk around slightly irritated. This irritation
finally builds up from person to person and pretty soon you will have a
city/country full of artificial hatred. The social problems generated from
this artificial hatred is staggering.  The first thing the government will
do is call out
the national guard as every one is going insane... There will be heavy
militant law
introduced and the country  may degrade to civil war. Which means a lovely
little peace
keeping force full of those knights in shinning armor on there little white
horses who ride into the country proud as punch; full of ego for the
wonderful good job of keeping the peace they have done. And every body bows
down to thank to knight in shinning armor on the white horse for saving us
from ourselves. Even though those knights in shinning armor started the
problem in the first place, "with their ELF generators". What a perfectly
no-point-the-finger/blame-free set of protocol operations. What a perfect
way to get control of every nation under the United Nations Banner ??? If a
country doesn't play the 'One-World' game then they devastate all social
order within that country to enable a United Nations peace keeping force to
come in ... too easy! 


happily paranoid 
G.D.Mutch







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NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".


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The hum was very active around the 13th or so, then abruptly quit. It was 
about the time someone mentioned that the space shuttle was up. I'm 
doubtful that there's any association, but the shuttle is still up and the 
hum is silent -- here, at least. Has the hum stopped for others also?

I was in Ohio last weekend and didn't hear it. But it's been absent here, 
too.

Roy

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At 08:36 PM 5/21/97 -0700, Roy wrote:
>The hum was very active around the 13th or so, then abruptly quit. It was 
>about the time someone mentioned that the space shuttle was up. I'm 
>doubtful that there's any association, but the shuttle is still up and the 
>hum is silent -- here, at least. Has the hum stopped for others also?

Hi, Roy,

I forget where you are, Oregon?  Anyway, I am in California, about 70 miles
from Lake Tahoe, and the hum hasn't missed a beat here, shuttle or no
shuttle (I paid attention this time, too).  But it was attenuated briefly
(several hours) the morning of the CME which occurred at 04:55 UTC 5/12, or
21:55 PDT 5/11.  I noticed the difference in the hum when I woke up that
Monday morning.  I think the shuttle went up a few days later, on the day
the geomag disturbance from the CME reached the earth.  This attenuation
with the occurrence of a CME seems to be an recurring thing, and I have
documented it about six times now since the first of the year, but it will
take someone more technical then I am to figure out why it does this.

Right now, the hum is moderate in intensity, perhaps 3-4 on a scale of 6.

Judy

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At 08:36 PM 5/21/97 -0700, w7el@teleport.com wrote:
>The hum was very active around the 13th or so, then abruptly quit. It was 
>about the time someone mentioned that the space shuttle was up. I'm 
>doubtful that there's any association, but the shuttle is still up and the 
>hum is silent -- here, at least. Has the hum stopped for others also?
>
>I was in Ohio last weekend and didn't hear it. But it's been absent here, 
>too.

All quiet here in Bayside, CA. Has been for weeks. Next week I'm going to
the southern California high desert to meet with a group of scientists we
work with who have been doing studies on ground-signal based precursors of
earthquake events. We have been actively involved with their research since
1988 and they are quite aware of the HUM. The research facility covers 2
acres and contains an extensive array sensor equipment -- conventional and
unconventional. I'll be reporting more as things develop if there is any
interest.

==============================================
Michael Theroux
Borderland Sciences Research Foundation
http://www.borderlands.com
theroux@borderlands.com
==============================================

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> 
> All quiet here in Bayside, CA. Has been for weeks. Next week I'm going to

	Absolutely no change in the hum here in the mountains
	south of Livermore.  Constant and steady in every respect.......

> earthquake events. We have been actively involved with their research since
> 1988 and they are quite aware of the HUM. The research facility covers 2
> acres and contains an extensive array sensor equipment -- conventional and
> unconventional. I'll be reporting more as things develop if there is any
> interest.

	Please do; lotsa interest from this spot, fer shur!  


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Tom R. Rice wrote:
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> >
> > All quiet here in Bayside, CA. Has been for weeks. Next week I'm going to
> 
>         Absolutely no change in the hum here in the mountains
>         south of Livermore.  Constant and steady in every respect.......

<snip>

This strongly suggests that the perception of the hum is more complex
than a simple response to an environmental condition, such as an ELF or
electromagnetic wave.

We already seem to have the 'best' hum detector we could hope for, the
perceiver of the hum.  If the perception of the hum has such a great
effect on mental concentration, we ought to be able to see the effect of
the hum in EEG's taken from a hum perceiver.

I feel that to make any significant progress, we need to study this
phenomana where its effects show up, within the hum perceiver
themselves.

I cannot see how any signal detected by an external (to the perceiver)
detector can be objectivly matched to the subjective perception of the
hum.  A similar process to this approach is 'hum matching', which has
produced a wide range of apparent hum frequancies.

We may need something a bit more objective.

Should we identifiy a specific frequancy, or range of frequancies that
appear to be stimulating the brain's frequancy following behavior, then
we could look at the outputs of other external detectors and search for
the source of the stimuli itself.

With the stimuli isolated, countermeasures should be quite practical.

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On Thu, 22 May 1997 at 00:35:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Michael Theroux <theroux@borderlands.com> Wrote:
About Subject: Re: Hum inactivity

>All quiet here in Bayside, CA. Has been for weeks. Next week I'm going to
>the southern California high desert to meet with a group of scientists we
>work with who have been doing studies on ground-signal based precursors of
>earthquake events. We have been actively involved with their research since
>1988 and they are quite aware of the HUM. The research facility covers 2
>acres and contains an extensive array sensor equipment -- conventional and
>unconventional. I'll be reporting more as things develop if there is any
>interest.

There is lots of interest here Michael. Please post as much as you can throw at 
us on this subject!

Thanks,

Oliver Jopling <juno@interserv.com>



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At 01:09 PM 5/22/97 -0700, bshannon@tiac.net wrote:

If the perception of the hum has such a great
>effect on mental concentration, we ought to be able to see the effect of
>the hum in EEG's taken from a hum perceiver.

This is interesting, and has been brought up before.  Do you or anyone on
this list happen to know whether the hum would have to have a "great effect
on mental concentration" to see the effect on an EEG, or would it merely
have to be heard?  And, how would one isolate that portion of the tracing
that might be attributable to hearing the hum if no baseline tracing (a
hum-free recording) can be obtained?

The vast majority of the time the hum is not all that bothersome, at least
for me, and at least at this time.  There were times early on that it was
terribly bothersome but over the years I suppose I have learned to deal with
it a little better.  There is no way that I know of to predict when the hum
will or will not be bothersome enough to have an effect on mental
concentration, although yes, at times it can and it does, occasionally
dramatically so.

>I cannot see how any signal detected by an external (to the perceiver)
>detector can be objectivly matched to the subjective perception of the
>hum.  A similar process to this approach is 'hum matching', which has
>produced a wide range of apparent hum frequancies.

My biggest problem with hum matching is that the researcher seems to wish to
match "a frequency".  I have been through this with extremely disappointing
results for me and probably total frustration for the researcher, who does
not hear the hum.  If a control frequency does not in any way, shape, or
form sound like the hum, I don't seem to be able to identify that it might
even be part of the hum - it feels like comparing peaches and apples.  If
someone were to play something for me that sounded like the hum, I could
identify it immediately, and I am sure that many hummers would say the same
thing.  I perceive the T.H. as a "band" of multiple frequencies, and realize
that the existence of harmonics is certainly a possibility here.  There are
occasions when this band of multiple frequencies changes for short periods
of time; i.e. there may be only one single frequency or perhaps a couple
that are audible, and they are generally in the very, very low frequency
range.  If you were to visualize a fence with most of the boards kicked out
of it, leaving only one or two random boards standing, that would be
comparable to the composition of the hum during these anomalous periods.

My input, like everyone else's, is terribly subjective.  I also have the
individual results of the hum survey (American) conducted in 1995.  There is
a general theme throughout most (but not all) of the reports that supports
the T.H. "signature", but very few reports are identical.  Certainly on this
list there are few hummers who have reported hearing the same thing at the
same time.  To complicate things even further, the hum I hear now is very
similar to but not exactly like the hum I heard when I first started hearing
the hum.  How does one go about making something like this more objective?

Judy

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Roy:

I now live in New Jersey and the hum has been at a tolerable level since the
14th.  This seldom happens here.  We usually get a constant intense hum over
a 3-4 month period of time.  We'll see when it kicks back up again.  

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Please post when you hear it again, and I will also. This has been a really 
welcome relief, especially since it was particularly active just before it 
quit.

Incidentally, I've mentioned that the hum goes on and off in an irregular 
pattern of typically a few seconds duration. Several people pointed out 
that they can make it appear to go on and off like this by turning their 
heads, by moving, by the influence of other noises, etc. I've observed very 
carefully, and listened when perfectly still in a very quiet environment. 
It still goes on and off very distinctly. It's not associated with movement 
or other noise. This should be a real advantage in trying to detect it. If 
I can observe a hum with any sort of test device that cycles on and off at 
the same time as the one I hear, I'll have a pretty positive ID.

Roy

On Thu, 22 May 1997, NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:
>Roy:
>
>I now live in New Jersey and the hum has been at a tolerable level since 
the
>14th.  This seldom happens here.  We usually get a constant intense hum 
over
>a 3-4 month period of time.  We'll see when it kicks back up again.  

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At 08:44 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Please post when you hear it again, and I will also. This has been a really 
>welcome relief, especially since it was particularly active just before it 
>quit.
>
>Incidentally, I've mentioned that the hum goes on and off in an irregular 
>pattern of typically a few seconds duration. Several people pointed out 
>that they can make it appear to go on and off like this by turning their 
>heads, by moving, by the influence of other noises, etc. I've observed very 
>carefully, and listened when perfectly still in a very quiet environment. 
>It still goes on and off very distinctly. It's not associated with movement 
>or other noise. This should be a real advantage in trying to detect it. If 
>I can observe a hum with any sort of test device that cycles on and off at 
>the same time as the one I hear, I'll have a pretty positive ID.
>
>Roy

Hi Roy
        Roy, try relaxing: I mean when your in bed tonight take a several
big deep breaths and try to relax, saying to your self over and over , 'relax'.
This will place you into an altered mind state ie. lower brain rhythms. 
Then tell me if you first hear a high pitch, then the hum about 1 sec to 1
minute later.  Others may like to try this also. The point I'm trying to make
is that the hum generator carrier outputs at around 6-8 hz when you brain tries
to relax. This brain state is the indicator signal that is then superimposed
on an ELF carrier. Then some sort of a high pitch finder signal does a sort
of handshake, similar to what a local modem/fax does with a remote(don't
laugh I'm serious). Then 3? satellite or HAARP beams get a lock and then the
hum starts...

Paranioia...? Maybe, but we have a very unusual out-of-the-ordinary
phenomenon that fianally calls for out-of-the-ordinary explainations, as
much as I dislike
talking about them. 

respectfully
G.D.Mutch




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w7el@teleport.com wrote:
>Several people pointed out
> that they can make it appear to go on and off like this by turning their
> heads, by moving, by the influence of other noises, etc. I've observed very
> carefully, and listened when perfectly still in a very quiet environment.
> It still goes on and off very distinctly. It's not associated with movement
> or other noise. 

Uh - I think the "several people" is me.  I have found that by walking, 
moving my body, turning my head, swollowing, etc., the hum "turns" off 
and on quite noticeably.  But, also, I have heard the hum abruptly stop 
and start again without any accompanying motion of mine.  Obviously, it 
does "turn" off and on because sometimes it is unbearably loud and 
sometimes it is imperceptible.

Take care
Joni

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> w7el@teleport.com wrote: >Several people pointed out
 > that they can make it appear to go on and off like this by turning 
their
 > heads, by moving, by the influence of other noises, etc. I've observed 
very
 > carefully, and listened when perfectly still in a very quiet 
environment.
 > It still goes on and off very distinctly. It's not associated with 
movement
 > or other noise.

 
 Uh - I think the "several people" is me.  I have found that by walking,
 moving my body, turning my head, swollowing, etc., the hum "turns" off
 and on quite noticeably.  But, also, I have heard the hum abruptly stop
 and start again without any accompanying motion of mine.  Obviously, it
 does "turn" off and on because sometimes it is unbearably loud and
 sometimes it is imperceptible.
 
 Take care
 Joni

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After about ten days of rest, the hum showed up again weakly on the 23rd. 
It was more noticeable on the 24th, and was quite active on the 25th and 
26th.

Roy

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I have not heard it at night for the last few days.  St. James. LI., NY

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Roy,
   I have also noticed that the hum has been rather stronger the past
few days in my area. Which is about 75 miles straight west of your
Seattle location.
   It has also been reported on various areas of the web that the earths
magnetic field is becoming weaker (and has been over the past 20 or so
years) while its frequency has been increasing. Adding to this the
magnetic north and south is slightly flucuating, more then normal. I
would be interested in hearing any feed-back from others on this.
Combined with mans electronic interference with natural forces, creating
these combinations could be part of the overall problem we are facing.
                       Denis   
   





w7el@teleport.com wrote:
> 
> After about ten days of rest, the hum showed up again weakly on the 23rd.
> It was more noticeable on the 24th, and was quite active on the 25th and
> 26th.
> 
> Roy

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Hi all
        Something interesting happened the other day... 
We had a 3.3 earth quake here in my local region. The quake was centered
in an area about 2 hours drive from my current locale. I don't know the
significance of this, but I found this very odd as this is the precise
area where I had intended to move to in the not to distant future. One more
very odd thing is that we don't get earth quakes here in australia, or very
very few. We do get seismic tremors but they are usually so small that no
one can feel the effect and we need sensitive equipment just to pick it up.

I post this in the interest of others... I have been down to this new area
and I have not heard any hum while there. I would be curious to know if there
is now some hum there next time I go down. To add a fragment of paranoia: there
had also been media reports of 5 or six unusual lights sited in the sky just
a few hours south of this earth quake zone. Hmm interesting... 

for future reference.
G.D.Mutch




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I live in Northern California, and have identified a relationship between the
"HUM", and seismic activity.  I have found that the hum preceeds and/or
follows seismic activity which range up to several hundred miles away.  I
also only hear the hum in my right ear.  I have approached Chico State
University geological science dept on the subject, but have received a "ho
hum" response. No pun intended.  Oh well.

Firedog401

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At 08:26 PM 6/1/97 -0400, G.D.Mutch wrote:
>Hi all
>        Something interesting happened the other day... 
>We had a 3.3 earth quake here in my local region. The quake was centered
>in an area about 2 hours drive from my current locale. I don't know the
>significance of this, but I found this very odd as this is the precise
>area where I had intended to move to in the not to distant future. One more
>very odd thing is that we don't get earth quakes here in australia, or very
>very few. We do get seismic tremors but they are usually so small that no
>one can feel the effect and we need sensitive equipment just to pick it up.
>
>I post this in the interest of others... I have been down to this new area
>and I have not heard any hum while there. I would be curious to know if there
>is now some hum there next time I go down. To add a fragment of paranoia:
there
>had also been media reports of 5 or six unusual lights sited in the sky just
>a few hours south of this earth quake zone. Hmm interesting... 
>
>for future reference.
>G.D.Mutch
>
>
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IIII=
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>Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-telemetry.
>NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by
Governments".


Hello, all on the list -

You may want to see the excellent article "Bright Skies- Part 1" in NEXUS
V.4, N.3 by Harry Mason.
The "earth"quakes and mysterious lights may be the result of secret
electronic-weapons tests!
The article identifies an installation at Exmouth Peninsula that appears to
be similar to a Tesla-style
Magnifying Transmitter! 

Harry lives in Western Australia, and has been studying this for over two
years.  Part 2 will be in the
June/July issue of NEXUS, and you can contact him at orbitx@ois.com.au.  He
is inviting contributions
to his research effort.

Best to all,

Steve Beatty  N0CRE

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At 01:05 PM 6/1/97 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Hello, all on the list -
>
>You may want to see the excellent article "Bright Skies- Part 1" in NEXUS
>V.4, N.3 by Harry Mason.
>The "earth"quakes and mysterious lights may be the result of secret
>electronic-weapons tests!
>The article identifies an installation at Exmouth Peninsula that appears to
>be similar to a Tesla-style
>Magnifying Transmitter! 
>
>Harry lives in Western Australia, and has been studying this for over two
>years.  Part 2 will be in the
>June/July issue of NEXUS, and you can contact him at orbitx@ois.com.au.  He
>is inviting contributions
>to his research effort.
>
>Best to all,
>
>Steve Beatty  N0CRE
>

Hey good one thanks for the info Steve... I truly had no idea others had any
conections with this phenomenon. I posted with the facts as they where presented
to me, nothing more nothing less. I had no idea what to make of it... I will
try to obtain the nexus article you speak of.  To be honest I had personnal
reservations of an ELF carrier wave generator being achored into the ground
some where near this quake location. There had been similar scenarios
reported in books and articles from New Zealand. Some of these books report
of intricate grid systems deliberately set up around the globe in key
positions. Some even report devices extremely deep in the ocean
floor.
Interesting when you get at the finer details, you start to build the bigger
picture.

One other thing. Did any one read the article on Gorbychov and Yeltsin who also
suffer from a type of T/H ??? Seems this correlates with yeltsin's heart
problems
and drinking binges. I will have to dig up the article again. It appears big
brother is in all places ??? 

G.D.Mutch





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At 10:49 AM 6/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I live in Northern California, and have identified a relationship between the
>"HUM", and seismic activity.  I have found that the hum preceeds and/or
>follows seismic activity which range up to several hundred miles away.  I
>also only hear the hum in my right ear.  I have approached Chico State
>University geological science dept on the subject, but have received a "ho
>hum" response. No pun intended.  Oh well.
>
>Firedog401
>

No I respect your view... It's not very hard to understand, as one of the
frequencies
of the brain is at 7hz and the earths resonance is at 7.? hz... So if you have
a device capable getting the earth to resonnate, it would be quite possible
to generate
an earth quake. If you have the possiblilty of generating earth quakes
(which has been scientifically recognised) then it would be quite possible
for people to sense it... 
My only guess as to why there is a select few. This may help some of the
natural-noise T/H hears who hear T/H before an earth quake ?

Don't be afraid to come forward... we need many more people like yourself.
You are on the right list for your discussion. No one is going to persecute
you for
your belief.


regards.
G.D.Mutch

 


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Your not alone on the harassment, I am getting some of it too.
Ya'll (you guys, for Northerner's)
know that I went to a dept head and showed him Jim's rife ray beam
tape...the man watched for almost 10 minutes, not even that long, then
stopped the tape and just sat there...I gave him some time then started
up the conversation, it seemed strained so we just switched topics...I
did not know what was going on, till I was informed later that what he
had seen totally blew him out of the water and he could not take nor
believe it...so we talked about other stuff..and I left the tape with
him, I called back the next day to pick it, he was not there and
relatives said the tape was not there...so where he went and who he
showed it to, I dont know, but I do know that he did watch it...he
brought by to me the next morning and dropped it off like it was a hot
potato and did not want to talk any...I will follow up and see what
happend.
 Remember when I ask all of you to pray for me, well boy did it ever
work, keep it up...Last week, I met the a man who has considerable
influence at another medical school here in TEXAS so we talked he got
all excited about it and wants a tape...(you would think he could buy
his own tape, but wants me to send him one...yeah, Right!...unless its a
copy of mine..is that okay Jim?)
 Then the next day I went on a tour of a different teaching medical
university, (I was requested not to use any names, so I have to be
general) and got names and numbers of people students, who minds are
still open to this before they get closed thinking in school. They want
to see the tape also, then the group I was in, a few people finally
wantd to know what was I telling this people, ones that they looked up
to, that they were getting so excited about talking to me, so I shared
with the medical students...got more phone numbers to go show Jim's
Bare's tape to...when to the state capitol of TEXAS on bussiness and
talked to some people there also, will have to schedule a time to show
them...I aint making now 300 mile trip just to show someone a video
tape...they can order it for themself if they want it that bad!...
Then got some other friends who are doctors, med students in their last
year. I plan to show it to them before they leave school. 
 Was on a conference call yesterday with a guy I had not talk to in a
long time and he put us in a conference call with a guy I had not seen
in 10 years, I knew he was a doctor..after swapping greatings and before
the  conversation started, I said, "Hey I got a video tape on how to
make a working Rife Ray Beam, want to see it?" The phone line went wild
with conversation, he had just read Barry's book on Rife and was looking
for more information...he got so excited on the phone...the guy who put
the conference call together said...Monroe, you have not talked to him
in years...how did you know he would be all excited over this rife stuff
and what is it?...before I could answer, my old buddy, just took over
the conversation and TOLD HIM what the rife ray beam did in the book.
Now he is all excited about it. 
 I too have gotten some problems because of this rife ray
beam...Uh...I'm not doing anything wrong...just showing a video tape to
some friends...so I didnt get it at Blockbuster, like other Americans
who watch video tapes every night....Ah, but those video tapes put money
in people pockets....THIS video tape, may take it out of their
pocket..that is the big difference....I am going to the WORLD'S LARGEST
RODEO tonight...and I will meet someone and get a phone number and show
them the tape. Alot of influenceal people at the rodeo....

Hey, everyone of ya'll who have the tape, know someone who you could
show it to, even if its someone you dont even think would be interested
in it the least. They may have a family or friend who they KNOW needs to
see Jim Bare's tape and wants a unit and will build one...maybe you cant
afford one, just yet, like me, but I know someone, somewhere, who I show
the tape too will have the $$$ to build a unit and I know they will
contact me to show it to me and ask for my help, cause they know I got
the newest information from here, JUST LIKE YOU!
 SO...let someone borrow YOUR TAPE...show it to them...who knows what
will happen...we all know of this technology because some one shared it
with us...Okay..so...heck, you have spent more time watching bad movies
that were terrible, okay so its not a movie, but it might be someday.
Arnold S. as the good doctor Rife, Marlon Brando as the AMA guy, Farah
F. as...oh heck, just put her in cause she looks GREAT!!! ha ha
Any way, most of you know the story, so instead of you tape just
stitting on the shelf gathering dust...let someone borrow it, YOU can
make a difference in someone's life.

EACH ONE...TEACH ONE

Monroe


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>Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 08:58:14
>>To: jeffrey_renner@gsmith.senate.gov
>>From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com>
>>Subject: Gulf War
>>Cc: asklinda@hr.house.gov
>>Bcc: senator_murray@murray.senate.gov
>>
>>>Dear Rep. Linda Smith, Rep. WA and Sen. Gordon Smith, Rep. OR
>cc; Sen. Patty Murray
>If you carefully read the information below you will see why very few
>Congressmen(women) are willing to expose this terrable disease and subject
>which Sen. Riegle, Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking,Housing,and
>Urban Affairs) exposed in 1994 - the specific shipments of biological agents
>to Iraq (contained in the Riegle Report Oct. 7,1994,titled U.S. CHEMICAL AND
>BIOLOGICAL WAREFARE-RELATED DUAL USE EXPORTS TO IRAQ AND THEIR POSSIBLE
>IMPACT ON THE HEALTH CONQUENCES OF THE PERSIAN GULF WAR)  to the floor of
>the Senate. He lost his job we think because of this brave act.  Sen. Patty
>Murray sat on that Committee and she has acted recently with a statement of
>concern to the Veteran Affairs Committee of which she is a member. I think
>she or this Committee is not getting all the information from the DOD, as
>she recently made a comment to me in a letter dated May 8, 1997 "that the
>number of U.S. Military personnel serving in the Persian Gulf during that
>time was relatively small". Nothing could be farther from the truth. Is
>800,000 U.S. troops a small number? Ant they are still rotating troops to
>the Gulf and the war is not officially over. And these 800,000 U.S. troops
>are potentially spreading the biological aspects to family and friends. 
>>>>
>>>The following comments are by Joyce Riley, Capt.Air Force Res. inactive,
>who contacted the Biological aspects of the Gulf War Syndrome while
>assisting sick vets from the Gulf
>>on Air Evac. Planes to Texas during and just after the Gulf War. She became
>violently ill and survived only by taking massive doses of doxycycline.
>Since then she has done a thorough investigation and the information below
>is part of that investigation. If it wasn't for her the CIA would have never
>admitted to Chemical Weapons being used in the Gulf, and next it will also
>need to be revealed that biological weapons were also used by Iraq on
>Coalition Forces in the Gulf. It appears exposure was not only by the
>distruction of the WalMart size bunker in Kamisyah, but the destruction of
>Scud Missels high overhead the Coalition Forces by our Patriot
>Missels,raining down these dangerous chemical and biological agents (they
>called them cocktails), down on Gulf Troops.>>>
>Active Duty Military Intimidated Into Silence
>>>>>
>>>>>I was approached at one point in time by someone who lead me to Drs. Garth
>>>>>and Nancy Nicholson, who are heroes in my mind. They are both Ph.D.
>>>>>scientists at the M.D.Anderson Cancer Center. Their daughter was in the
>>>>>101st Airborne that did deep insertions into Iraq. Many of the 101st
>>>>>Airborne have called me and many of them are sick. The 82nd Airborne is
>>>>>sick. Men and women at Fort Hood, Texas are sick. Camp Pendleton. Camp
>>>>>LeJeune. Fort Riley is really sick right now. These people are not allowed
>>>>>to talk about this in the military. They are not allowed to tell people
>>>>>about the Gulf War Illness. They are not allowed to admit to it. I have
>>>>>even visited Gulf War vets at Brook Army Medical Hospital, and they are not
>>>>>even allowed to talk about it. I took some Gulf War information over there
>>>>>and the patients had to hide it so the doctors would not see it. So, the
>>>>>Nicholson's daughter came back from Iraq sick. She gave the disease to the
>>>>>family - to Garth and Nancy, who live in Houston, and also to the family
>>>>>cat. The cat died. Before the cat died, they tested all of their blood.
>>>>>They found that they were positive for something called Mycoplasma
>>>>>Incognitas, which is the chief biological agent we find to be responsible
>>>>>for a lot of the illness of the veterans.
>>>>>
>>>>>                           Mycoplasma Incognitas
>>>>>
>>>>>I will explain this to you by saying that Mycoplasma Incognitas is between
>>>>>the size of a bacteria and a virus. It travels through a population, and as
>>>>>long as your immune system is all right it will not affect you. But,
>>>>>according to the Nicholson's, who are both Ph.D. cellular biologists, they
>>>>>found that the scientists who were involved in this horrible plot inserted
>>>>>40% of the HIV envelope gene into the Mycoplasma. What this means is that
>>>>>it doesn't give you HIV, but it gives you the symptoms. So, they found this
>>>>>and realized that they had a germ warfare agent on their hands. It is the
>>>>>first biological agent identified. There have been others.
>>>>>
>>>>>   U.S. Government Refuses to Dispense Known Treatment to Affected People
>>>>>
>>>>>The Nicholson's went to the laboratory to discover how to treat this. They
>>>>>found that an antibiotic called Doxycycline was the most effective. The
>>>>>United States military will not allow military members under their control
>>>>>to have Doxycycline or VA hospitals to dispense Doxycycline. They are
>>>>>simply not allowed to have it. I got a call from a Special Forces commander
>>>>>who had been retired for one year. He said, "I have had it. I came home. I
>>>>>served my country. I got my blood sent to Dr. Nicholson for free testing
>>>>>and got my prescription for Doxycycline. I went to have it filled and not
>>>>>only did that take away my military ID card, but they would not allow me to
>>>>>have the Doxycycline to save my life." You see, the disease is contagious,
>>>>>and now the wives and children are getting it. It is going to affect you in
>>>>>the general population. That is why it is so important to understand how
>>>>>serious this is. It is not just the United States. It is a worldwide
>>>>>program. There were 28 countries that served with the United States in
>>>>>Iraq. All 28 countries now report that their men and women are also sick.
>>>>>But Drs. Garth and Nancy Nicholson revealed that a Houston company was
>>>>>involved in the manufacture of a biological weapon that was sold to Iraq
>>>>>and was used on American soldiers in the Gulf War. Since we came out with
>>>>>the names of these companies, there have been lawsuits filed against those
>>>>>corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>>                          Symptoms of the Syndrome
>>>>>
>>>>>These are the symptoms of the syndrome. You may look at this and it may not
>>>>>seem very significant to you, so if you look at aching joints and go to
>>>>>your doctor and say "I have aching joints" or you say "I have chronic
>>>>>fatigue", or you say "I don't have the memory I used to", they will not say
>>>>>anything. When I am talking about memory loss, I am talking about the kind
>>>>>where you have to wear a beeper so your family can find you. One young man
>>>>>told me, "I can only remember today. I can't remember what happened
>>>>>yesterday." He was 27 years old. We are talking about a problem known as
>>>>>night sweats. Any Gulf War veteran who has the Mycoplasma knows about night
>>>>>sweats. You have to change your linens twice a night. The muscle spasms get
>>>>>so bad that you can't stand it and people scream in pain. There is also
>>>>>loss of eyesight, breathing problems, and chest pains because the
>>>>>Mycoplasma settles in the atrium of the heart. All of these are problems
>>>>>that become worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem is that the government is telling the people of the United
>>>>>States "there is no Gulf War Illness". The doctors in this country think
>>>>>there is no Gulf War Illness. So, when people come in and complain about
>>>>>the symptoms, they are turned aside and told that the problem is
>>>>>psychological in nature.
>>>>>
>>>>>            Deformed Children Caused by U.S. Corporate Genocide
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, you are not being told about the babies that are being born deformed.
>>>>>There is a Gulf War Baby Foundation formed to register babies who have
>>>>>contracted the syndrome. There are so many that are being born deformed.
>>>>>You are not being told about this. Dan Rather doesn't tell you about it,
>>>>>does he? No. And so, you think that if it isn't on the nightly news it must
>>>>>not be true, right? If a tree falls in the forest and Dan Rather doesn't
>>>>>cover it, does it still make a noise? Think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gulf War babies are severely deformed. In fact, according to Nation
>>>>>Magazine, "studies have shown that 67% of babies born to Gulf War veterans
>>>>>are deformed. What have they done to our future generations? What have they
>>>>>done to their DNA?
>>>>>
>>>>>There was an article that appeared in Life Magazine in November 1995
>>>>>featuring a man in the 82nd Airborne at Fort Brag, North Carolina. This
>>>>>young man has a child with no arms and no legs. I know of a nurse in San
>>>>>Antonio who knows of 50 children like this.
>>>>>
>>>>>When our soldiers risked their lives in the Gulf, they never imagined that
>>>>>their children would face these consequences or that their country would
>>>>>turn its back on them. You are hearing what perhaps 1% of the country knows
>>>>>today. It will take your help to get this story out. There is no way these
>>>>>parents can afford to take care of these children. (Shows pictures of
>>>>>children).
>>>>>
>>>>>The Reigle Reports and Congressional Knowledge About the Problem Covered Up
>>>>>
>>>>>This is something that the government is trying to keep you from knowing
>>>>>about. The Reigle report is evidence that biological and chemical weapons
>>>>>were used on our troops. It was presented to the United States Senate, but
>>>>>it has been withheld from you. They don't want you to see it. A news
>>>>>release went out that Senator Reigle from Michigan was a brave man for
>>>>>doing this. He is no longer in the Senate. He had to pay for the report to
>>>>>be done. The Feb. 1994 news release said, "Reigle Uncovers U.S. Shipment of
>>>>>Biological Warfare Materials to Iraq Prior to Gulf War". The release went
>>>>>on to say, "there is evidence of transmission to family members. I am
>>>>>deeply troubled that the United States permitted the sale of deadly
>>>>>biological agents to a country with a known biological warfare program."
>>>>>There is no blood ban stopping Gulf War veterans from donating blood to the
>>>>>general blood supply that the general population uses. Reigle also sent a
>>>>>letter to Secretary of Defense Perry on Feb. 9, 1994 and talked about the
>>>>>exposure of Gulf War veterans and the transmission of the disease to
>>>>>spouses and children. He found out that we had been exporting these
>>>>>biological substances through ATCC. This information is known to every
>>>>>Senator that was in office in 1994. Why aren't they doing something about
>>>>>it. Why weren't you told about it? Reigle also said to Secretary Perry,
>>>>>"without proper treatment and testing, their condition will worsen. They
>>>>>cannot wait. Many are now destitute, with their savings spent on medical
>>>>>care not provided by the government.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Senator Reigle, "the Department of Defense refuses to
>>>>>acknowledge any part of the problem. Their blanket denials are not
>>>>>credible. To my mind, there is no more serious crime than an official
>>>>>military cover-up of facts that could prevent more effective diagnosis and
>>>>>treatment of sick U.S. veterans. It is an astonishing example that the
>>>>>Defense Department is going to deny reality."
>>>>>
>>>>>The Veterans Administration is  treating Gulf War veterans on a limited
>basis. They can't fully treat until and admission by DOD that biologicals
>were used in the Gulf.
>>>>>
>>>>>(Here she details the bacteriological substance shipped. See attachment
>>>>>from the Reigle Report at the end of this transcript).
>>>>>
>>>>>         Proof of Chemical Weapon Use from the Schwartzkoff NBC Log
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) Here is how we know the biologicals were used. What I am
>>>>>showing you was once a classified document. It is part of the
>>>>>Chemical-Biological log that belonged to General Norman Schwartzkoff in
>>>>>CENTCOM. He was responsible for central command. The NBC log is sort of a
>>>>>roadmap of the war and what transpired. You can see here that it says,
>>>>>"Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldiers of the 3rd AD have blisters,
>>>>>characteristic of mustard chemical agent, on upper and lower arms."
>>>>>Remember the official statement? "No Biological or Chemical Weapons Used".
>>>>>The log continues, "ARCENT advised that casualty happened on afternoon of
>>>>>28 Feb., a reddening of the skin and small blisters." I want you to know
>>>>>that I talked to several of the MEDIVAC flight nurses who accompanied the
>>>>>troops out of the theater of operations, and they told me that many of the
>>>>>men had no skin on them, that their skin was falling off. Evidence of a
>>>>>chemical burn. So, this is known information. Some of the autopsies done at
>>>>>Dover, Delaware found that some of the deaths were due to chemical
>>>>>poisoning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Schwartzkoff's NBC log continues, "Msgt Blue called. Subject: Commanders
>>>>>Guidance for Disposition of captured chemical and biological munitions."
>>>>>They had captured them and they knew they existed. Continuing, "field
>>>>>destruction is OK, but bulk destruction may have international
>>>>>implications." I have a number of these pages that were released under a
>>>>>FOIA request, and there are about 100 pages that were released to the Gulf
>>>>>War Veterans of Georgia. My hat is off to all the Gulf War Veterans that
>>>>>have been trying to take this message to the public for the last four
>>>>>years.
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) Anybody who was in Desert Storm knows what these are. The
>>>>>little "PB" pills which are a pre-treatment pill for a nerve agent. In
>>>>>other words, if you were going to be affected by a nerve agent such as
>>>>>Soman, you would take this pill in advance and it was supposed to help you.
>>>>>However, you should never take this unless you actually are affected,
>>>>>because it builds up in the body and it creates many problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>            International Media Comes to the U.S. to Investigate
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) This is an article that came out of the Sunday Times in
>>>>>London. The BBC has been over here investigating this quite heavily because
>>>>>they have so many people in England that are sick from all of this. The
>>>>>Italian equivalent to "60 Minutes" has been over here filming on the
>>>>>subject, because the Italian soldiers are sick also. It's country after
>>>>>country.
>>>>>
>>>>>            U.S. Companies Sold Iraq New Genocidal Anthrax Toxin
>>>>>
>>>>>This is why I am scared about what is going on with the biological warfare.
>>>>>It hasn't stopped, because Saddam Hussein still has these things. Reading
>>>>>the Sunday Times article, we see that "Russia has developed a powerful new
>>>>>poison with no antidote that could be used in biological weapons. It is a
>>>>>variation of the anthrax toxin that causes death within days. It has been
>>>>>genetically engineered to make it resistant to antibiotics. The toxin is so
>>>>>powerful that a tiny amount that would fit on a pinhead would theoretically
>>>>>kill 500,000 people." Can you imagine what that would do to the WATER
>>>>>SUPPLY? Saddam Hussein had thousands of pounds of this substance that was
>>>>>given to him by United States companies.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Veteran Medical Files Destroyed or Missing
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what happened to our veterans medical files? They are destroyed.
>>>>>There was actually an attorney who was sent to prison for destroying
>>>>>veterans medical files. Many of the medical files of Gulf War veterans are
>>>>>missing. No only are they missing, but now the proof that they received the
>>>>>vaccinations is now missing.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Gulf War Participants Force-Injected With Experimental Vaccines
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's talk about how we were affected on the biological side. The first way
>>>>>was with the immunizations. We were given 10 or 11 immunizations prior to
>>>>>going to the gulf. We don't know everything we got. Some of us got sick
>>>>>afterwards. The Anthrax vaccinations were given over in the Gulf, in the
>>>>>theater of operations, and you were forced to submit to it. If you didn't
>>>>>take it, you were court-martialed. People were put into a room like this,
>>>>>the doors were locked, and they had security guards with side arm who stood
>>>>>by while people were forced to take this injection. Why? Why would they do
>>>>>this to people? The Anthrax "vaccine" had not been approved and was
>>>>>experimental. The injection for Botulism was also dangerous. All of these
>>>>>things in combination created a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>                The Soviet Doctrine: The Biological Cocktail
>>>>>
>>>>>But, the real problem that we believe to be the main transmission agent was
>>>>>via the SCUD-B and FROG missiles. You see, the SCUD missiles that Hussein
>>>>>used on us had biological and chemical agents in them. When the Patriots
>>>>>shot them down, it rained biological and chemical agents down on the
>>>>>troops. In terms of biological warfare, they used what is called the SOVIET
>>>>>DOCTRINE, in which 18-20 biological agents were mixed together in the tanks
>>>>>of the SCUD missiles. Because the batch contained so many biological
>>>>>agents, it effectively confuses the diagnosis and the treatment process.
>>>>>Now, ask yourself this.
>>>>>
>>>>>           Media Projects Responsibility on Iraq for U.S. Crimes
>>>>>
>>>>>What is the press coming out and saying? If you read the media, which I
>>>>>hope you don't, you will see an article in the Kansas City Star on October
>>>>>14th that said, "Iraq Sanctioned", in which they claimed "Iraq lied to us
>>>>>about having and using biological weapons." You know as well as I do that
>>>>>they have satellites in the sky that enable them to see what you are having
>>>>>for dinner. You know they knew what Hussein had, because they sold it to
>>>>>them. Absolutely.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is what I want you to be watching for, because this is going to be the
>>>>>cover story. They are going to have to deal with the Gulf War illness
>>>>>because so many people have it now. In fact, I will tell you now that
>>>>>because we know that over 10,000 have already died, and we believe 500,000
>>>>>of our Gulf War veterans to be sick, Dr. Nicholson told me that 20% of the
>>>>>people around the theater of operations (United Arab Emirates, Bahrain,
>>>>>etc.) are now sick. It is coming to a place near you, believe me. The
>>>>>chronic fatigue syndrome. I got a call from a doctor the other day who told
>>>>>me that he has 15 patients with CFS, and they don't know anyone who went to
>>>>>the Gulf War. It's transmissible through sex and through kissing, because
>>>>>it is now found in the dental floss test, where you can see evidence of the
>>>>>mycoplasma. It is communicable and it is going to be growing.
>>>>>
>>>>>A doctor called me the other day, and he said, "I don't know what's going
>>>>>on. I volunteered to take care of these Gulf War veterans because the VA
>>>>>wouldn't take care of them, and now I'm sick with the same problem. Can you
>>>>>help me understand why I'm sick?" I said, "don't you know its a
>>>>>communicable disease?" He had no idea, because the official position of the
>>>>>U.S. Government is that "there is no Gulf War illness."
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter Kawaja has been talking about the fact that "GF" was used during the
>>>>>war. Nobody ever mentioned "GF" or even heard of it, except Peter Kawaja,
>>>>>and he kept saying "GF was used." Well, the substance called "GF" is made
>>>>>by the U.S. Department of the Army. The government made it. I have evidence
>>>>>in the government logs of "GF" having been used during the war, but no one
>>>>>ever addressed "GF" until a U.S. News and World Report article came out on
>>>>>September 11, 1995. In this, they have the UN inspector going over to Iraq
>>>>>and inspecting the SCUDS and voicing the "sudden realization" that "Oh,
>>>>>they had all this nasty stuff over there after all that the Iraqis didn't
>>>>>tell us about". Well, I have evidence in a Pentagon report that shows that
>>>>>we knew about it more than 30 days before the war started. The U.S.
>>>>>government knew it was in the SCUDS, because the U.S. companies sold it to
>>>>>Iraq in the first place. It's interesting that in this story the UN
>>>>>inspector is trying to cover himself by saying what he did. The fact that
>>>>>"GF" is mentioned in Schwartzkoff's NBC log also proves the military knew
>>>>>it was there.
>>>>>
>>>>>The True Origin of The "New" Emerging Biological Diseases is the Biological
>>>>> Cocktail Thrust on the Planet By U.S. Companies, Disguised in the Media as
>>>>>    "Mysterious New Diseases" from "Nowhere" In Order to Cover Up Crimes
>>>>>                       Against Humanity and Genocide
>>>>>
>>>>>An article came out in Scientific American in October 1995 that was very
>>>>>fascinating reading. They have to deal with the results of this biological
>>>>>warfare, because too many people are getting sick and too many people are
>>>>>dying. How are they going to deal with it? The title of the article in
>>>>>Scientific American was, "Dangers from new viral plagues." Have you been
>>>>>seeing anything in the newspaper about Dengue fever in South America, or
>>>>>about these "strange" viral hemorragic diseases that are "suddenly
>>>>>attacking us" from "nowhere"? Guess what. They came out of the Gulf War!
>>>>>And, they are now calling it "emerging viruses". Hemorragic fever viruses
>>>>>are among the most dangerous biological agents known. The Ebola virus. You
>>>>>didn't hear about that before the Gulf War, did you?
>>>>>
>>>>>The article in the Scientific American wants you to believe that all of a
>>>>>sudden we are going to be having all these incredible viruses, all over the
>>>>>world, appearing for no reason at all. Many biologists are saying that they
>>>>>never heard of any of these things before. How many of you ever heard of
>>>>>the Hantavirus before the Gulf War? Remember the Hantavirus in New Mexico,
>>>>>caused by "mouse droppings"? I guess we didn't have mouse droppings before
>>>>>the Gulf War, right? We didn't hear about Ebola before the Gulf War. We
>>>>>didn't hear so much about Chronic Fatigue before the Gulf War. A lot of
>>>>>these things we never had a problem with before the Gulf War. A lot of them
>>>>>were used during that time and supplied by United States companies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, the media tells you "why" we are "going to have this incredible
>>>>>problem." Scientific American tells us, "the primary cause of most cases of
>>>>>hemorragic fever is ecological disruption resulting from human activity."
>>>>>In other words, we cut down too many trees in the rain forest and those
>>>>>bugs are going to get us. That's what they are trying to get you to
>>>>>believe, that it is because of cutting down too many trees in the rain
>>>>>forest. Well, they are calling them hemorragic fever viruses now. I've
>>>>>never heard of hemorragic fever viruses. I've been a nurse for 25 years and
>>>>>I have never heard about them. But, now some of the Gulf War illnesses
>>>>>contain hemorragic fever viruses. Some Gulf War veterans have called me and
>>>>>have said that they are bleeding from every part of their body. It is
>>>>>similar to the Ebola virus, but it takes two years to kill them - slowly.
>>>>>How many of you have seen the movie Outbreak? That is your homework.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Were the 1995 Chicago Heat Wave Deaths Really Something Else?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why am I concerned about this? I was having lunch with Peter Kawaja, and I
>>>>>noticed this article in USA Today, and I couldn't believe what I was
>>>>>seeing. Remember when there was that period of incredible heatwaves in
>>>>>Chicago and all these people were dying? Well, look here in this article,
>>>>>where it shows lines of refrigerated trucks brought in to store bodies.
>>>>>Since when did we have so many bodies that we had to put them in trucks?
>>>>>This is the part that concerns me: The bodies were stored in nine donated
>>>>>refrigerated trucks that were to be destroyed after use. Now, if we went
>>>>>and destroyed every hospital and funeral home after a body was in there, we
>>>>>wouldn't have much left, would we? Why would they want to destroy the
>>>>>trucks? Were they contaminated? Was there a disease? I don't know. All I
>>>>>know is that when you read material in the newspaper, check it out very
>>>>>carefully. Ask questions! Don't assume they are telling you the whole
>>>>>story.
>>>>>
>>>>>   U.S. Ships Enough Biological Agents To Iraq to Kill the Entire Planet
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) Now, this was faxed to me by people in Britain. Remember that
>>>>>we said that this new Anthrax toxin could kill 500,000 people with an
>>>>>amount on the head of a pin? United States companies shipped Saddam Hussein
>>>>>1,500 gallons of Anthrax. It had already been loaded into bombs and missile
>>>>>warheads in Baghdad. Out of 39 tons of biological warfare agents imported
>>>>>by Iraq from the United States, each ton could have produced ten tons of
>>>>>biological warfare material. How much does he need, anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>>            The Post Gulf-War Emergence of Flesh-Eating Bacteria
>>>>>
>>>>>Over 50,000 U.S. and British troops have suffered symptoms, ranging from
>>>>>broken down immune systems to wasting flesh. How many of you have heard of
>>>>>flesh-eating bacteria? Didn't hear about it before the Gulf War, did you?
>>>>>Wonder why? It's part of it. Some of the Gulf War babies are born with
>>>>>flesh-eating bacteria already hard at work.
>>>>>
>>>>>U.S. Government Increases Budget to Bury Veterans But Denies Them Money for
>>>>>                                Assistance
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) This is an article from a British newspaper. It says, "the
>>>>>U.S. Defense Department has increased its budget for burial of Gulf War
>>>>>veterans." They haven't announced this too widely in the United States,
>>>>>have they? That's what they are doing. They are denying the problem exists,
>>>>>denying that biological weapons were used, and increasing the capability to
>>>>>bury people. How can we treat people like this?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Attempt to Bring George Bush to a War Crimes Tribunal Thwarted by U.S.
>>>>>                        "Justice" Department in 1993
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you know that George Bush was almost brought up before a Grand Jury? He
>>>>>was subpoenaed in an illegal export case that involved shipment of
>>>>>biological agents to Saddam Hussein. You didn't know about that, did you?
>>>>>He was. In 1993 the "Justice Department" said, "he doesn't have to do it."
>>>>>George Bush was brought up before a war crimes tribunal. You didn't know
>>>>>about that either, right? Get the book by Ramsey Clark.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Emergence of Post-Gulf War Biological Problems Coincides With Massive
>>>>>                        National Injection Programs
>>>>>
>>>>>So, what are we doing in America? We are inoculating everybody. Why? Why is
>>>>>the government so big on inoculating everybody. Every newspaper in the
>>>>>country had a front page color picture of inoculation. They are trying to
>>>>>justify it. Why? In Houston, you can drive down a certain street where they
>>>>>have nurses lined up along the street. You put your arm out the window of
>>>>>the car and they inject you. Why? America, we have to stop holding out our
>>>>>arms to anybody that comes along and says, "We're from the government. We
>>>>>are going to help you. You need this shot". Why do I need this shot? I got
>>>>>too many shots during the Gulf War and I paid dearly for it. I will never
>>>>>do that again. Know your rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>U.S. Troops Inoculated Before Going to Bosnia Are Coming Down With the Same
>>>>>                                  Symptoms
>>>>>
>>>>>(Slide Shown) Why does this picture appear in the paper? They are
>>>>>inoculating all the troops going to Bosnia. I am just now starting to get
>>>>>reports from the troops in Bosnia that some of them now have the
>>>>>characteristic rash, which is a cardinal clinical sign of the Gulf War
>>>>>Illness. Its the only sign you can see at this early stage, until they
>>>>>start losing weight, their hair, and start aging.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many people come to me when they discover that they have this rash. It's a
>>>>>sign of biological and chemical warfare. WE ARE DOING IT TO OUR TROOPS IN
>>>>>BOSNIA.
>>>>>
>>>>>  U.S. Troops Inoculated Before Going to Somalia Are Coming Down With the
>>>>>                               Same Symptoms
>>>>>
>>>>>The U.S. troops that are coming back from Somalia are coming back sick,
>>>>>too, with all the same symptoms and problems as the Persian Gulf veterans.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bush and Clinton "Justice Departments" Refuse to Prosecute Bioweapon Supply
>>>>>               Companies Under the Trading With the Enemy Act
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, I want to show you this. It appeared in Media Bypass recently. It was
>>>>>January 1996. In this issue, Sarah McClendon, who was a wire service person
>>>>>in Washington, has kind of seen the light. She is in her 80's now, but she
>>>>>follows every story. I want you to see what she has written, because she
>>>>>was a "government person" beforehand. And now, I will tell you, that she
>>>>>has truly "changed sides."
>>>>>
>>>>>She writes, "Proof is building up stronger than ever that big U.S.
>>>>>corporations [Editor Note: The U.S. Government is also a corporation] made
>>>>>the weapons that Saddam Hussein used to kill American soldiers in the
>>>>>Persian Gulf War. These corporations also provided the chemical and
>>>>>biological weapons that the Iraqis used to make thousands of surviving
>>>>>soldiers ill. Both the Bush and Clinton Administration Justice Departments
>>>>>agreed not to prosecute for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY. "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Firedog 401:

I lived in Northern California for three years in Moss Beach.  It's 20 miles
south of San Francisco on the ocean side.  I found that there was no
correlation to seismic activity and the "hum."  I found that the patter was
nearly the same whatever the conditions.  "Hum" from 10 pm through 2 pm the
following day.  It would fluctuate intensity.  This would go on for about
8-10 days and then there would be no "hum" for 2-3 days.  This pattern
continued (with variations) for the three years I lived there. 

Regards,
naomihall@aol.com

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At 09:25 AM 3/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Firedog 401:
>
>I lived in Northern California for three years in Moss Beach.  It's 20 miles
>south of San Francisco on the ocean side.  I found that there was no
>correlation to seismic activity and the "hum."  I found that the patter was
>nearly the same whatever the conditions.  "Hum" from 10 pm through 2 pm the
>following day.  It would fluctuate intensity.  This would go on for about
>8-10 days and then there would be no "hum" for 2-3 days.  This pattern
>continued (with variations) for the three years I lived there. 

>Regards,
>naomihall@aol.com
>
My Hum conveniently comes on around 8:30-900am and goes off at around
3:00pm when the children and my wife come home. If the hum stays on after
3:00pm my wife goes to bed to sleep. She does not hear the hum, but feels it
drain her energy level very badly. Her calcium levels are very bad when the
hum hits me hard. She has pictures of here finger nails with huge divots
that go right across most of her finger nails. I have now noticed 3 of my
own toe nails with the same divots, but not as bad. 

The hum then comes on again around 7-9:00pm and goes right through the
night. It peaks at around 1:00am - 2:00am in the morning which always wakes
me up. Once it wakes me it instantly drops to a low level. I'm fully
conscious of it at all times even though I'm a sleep. The hum usually stops
on weekends, except when I 
work in my workshop, then it appears almost instantly. 

If the hum is not present and I try to meditate or relax: the hum reappears
in around 5-6 minutes, and intensifies the deeper I try to relax. It comes
to a point where it is very difficult to relax. But you can over come it, it
just takes a lot more effort. Once you are in an altered conscious state the
hum takes a back seat and it can no longer affect you, even though it is
still hitting you pretty hard.  I read this technique from and article not
so long back: apparently the yogis are having hum troubles as well, and this
technique allows them to overcome it. I know this info may help the (ELF)
Evil Little Fellows, but I feel others my get some benefit from it as well.
Other people may like to share their own methods of dealing with this B.S.
,at the risk of helping the ELF.


posted out of interest for others.
G.D.Mutch

------------------------Interesting prophecy-----------------------------------
Revelation 6:2-3.
2 Then I looked and saw a white horse, and its rider holding a bow. To him a
crown was given, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
Does the white horse = the white armies of the united nations ????

3 And He opened the second seal I heard a the second living creature say,
"Come!". Then another horse fiery red, went out and its rider was empowered
to take peace away from the earth, so that people would kill one another, and
a huge sword was given him.
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I would like to hear from hummers in Schweitz and Germany.

I believe there was a Swiss engineer who recorded a Hum in Switzerland. The 
message has been lost from the Taos Hum web page, and I dont have a copy of 
the massage. I would like to hear form him.

Regards, Anders

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At 11:52 AM 6/06/97 +0100, you wrote:
>I would like to hear from hummers in Schweitz and Germany.
>
>I believe there was a Swiss engineer who recorded a Hum in Switzerland. The 
>message has been lost from the Taos Hum web page, and I dont have a copy of 
>the massage. I would like to hear form him.
>
>Regards, Anders
>

Has this list been quite lately ? Just I don't seem to get alot of mail this
way.

I would be interested to know if hum hearers in Germany can get a hold of
a schumann resonance circuit. Its available from west germany some where...
Thats all I know. 


Thanks 
G.D.Mutch
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I have recently had the opportunity to compare a number of transducers.
The results may be interesting to others. From memory:

A bass loudspeaker unit
A piezoelectric loudspeaker
A telephone pickup coil + magnet
Various Electret microphone capsules
A high-spec Sennheiser headphone
An expensive measurement microphone

I used a fan with variable speed to generate infrasound, 
connected the transducer to a microphone preamplifier (frequency range 2 Hz 
- 100 Hz) , and the output to a spectrum analyzer (0 - 100 Hz in 1 Hz 
steps).

This gave the possibility to get a measure for the sensitivity and 
signal/noise ratio of the various transducers in the frequency range around 
20 Hz.


The signal/noise ratio was more interesting than the sensitivity.

The best S/N ratio was attained with the measurement microphone.

The electret microphones were extremely varying in S/N ratio. Most were 
very poor. A few types approached the S/N ratio of the measurement 
microphone. There was no relation between price and performance of the 
electret microphones. A German company called Monacor has quite a selection 
of electrets at low prices. Presumably they rebadge Asiatic products. Two 
of their types appear to have a good S/N ratio, but the documentation is 
poor. The price was 2 dollar /capsule. Among the electrets the best S/N was 
had by the binaural microphone system from Core Audio in New York. (The 
price 100 dollars/capsule).

The headphones had a rather good S/N ratio when used as a microphone.

The telephone pickup coil gave also a good S/N ratio. A large jar was used. 
cling-foil was placed across the bottleneck of the jar. A magnet was rested 
on the center of the clingfoil. A plastic ruler rested across the 
bottleneck. The pickup coil was placed on the ruler. This worked as a 
microphone with a reasonable S/N ratio.

The piezo transducer required an impedance converter, and a JFET opamp was 
used. It has an input impedance in the gigaohm range.

The bass loudspeaker was sensitive, but the S/N ratio for some reason wasnt 
good.

The use of electret microphones looks promising, but requires additional 
work. Building a microphone preamplifier to replace the internal FET in the 
electrets has turned out to be no easy undertaking, and I havent succeeded.

Finding affordable electrets without internal FET has been difficult. 
They tend to be expensive (200-1000 dollars per capsule).

Regards, Anders







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I finally got around to doing a spectrum analysis on hum1.wav. (0-100 Hz)

1. coloumn is frequency in Hz
2. coloumn is energy content per Hz. Units unknown. Linear scale.

It can be seen that there is a high energycontent from 19 to 29 Hz, around 
60 Hz, and at 83 Hz.

Regards, Anders


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I tried to arrange to have a hummer sit in an an-echoic chamber. I didnt 
succeed in finding matching available time-slots.

I was warned that the anechoic chamber was not designed for sounds below 
300 Hz, so I measured for infrasound, and found considerable levels of 
infrasound in the chamber.

This surprised me somewhat, because the chamber was made out of reinforced 
concrete, and had a heavy steel door. (200-300 kilo?)

Regards, Anders

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HoloTec AG
Bireggstrasse 14
CH-6003 Luzern
Tlf 041 / 44 44 85
Fax 041 / 44 44 86

This company sell strange devices, litterature, education and research. 
They are familiar with Schumann resonance devices, and possible sell some.
If they dont stock them, they should be able to tell you where to ask.

Regards, Anders

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From: freeone@ix.netcom.com (Sara Freeman)
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I have read all the hum list archives and have been a list member for 
about a year now albeit a lurker only. Yesterday, I came across 
something that I thought might be of interest to you here and decided 
to delurk this once.

I put on a CD that I hadnt listened to in several years and opened the 
booklet to the first page to find the following at the bottom of the 
first page (forgive my not using accents):

If you notice a very low-level hum when you play the opera it is not 
the fault of your equipment. It is caused by a faulty earth during the 
recording which, regrettably, could not be re-made. 

Vi vill fasta Er uppmarksamhet pa att det finns ett svagt brummande pa 
opera-inspelningen (jordningsfel) -- det ar alltsa inget fel pa Er 
anlaggning. Vi beklagar, men inspelningen gick inte att gora om.

Wir moechten Sie hoeflichst darauf aufmerksam machen, dass ein 
schwaches Summen in der Opernaufnahme zu hoeren is (Erdnungsfehler) -- 
Ihre Anlage ist also nich Fehlerhaft. Wir bedauern, dass es nich 
moeglich war, die Aufn
ahme nochmals zu machen.

Nour voulons attirer votre attention sur le fait quil y a un leger 
bourdonnement sur lentregistrement de lopera (default de mise a la 
terre) -- ce nest donc pas la faute de votre appareil. Nous 
regrettons, mais il fut impossible de fefaire lenregistrement.

Needless to say I was quite surprised.

This CD contains Sibelius opera Maiden in the Tower and his Karelia 
Suite. It is a BIS cd, number 250. BIS is a Swedish classical CD 
company which is noted for its wonderful sound. I would think that, if 
there was some thing wrong with their equipment that produced this 
sound, they wuold know what it was. 

The CD was recording in 1983 at Gothenberg Concert Hall, one of the 
most renouned concert halls in the world for recording and live 
performance. The engineer was Michael Bergek. Recording equipment used 
was Sony PCM-F1 Digital Recording Equipment, 4 Neumann KM83, 1 Newmann 
SM69 Microphones. I assume that this was the state-of-the-art of its 
time. I purchased my copy around 1990. It is not listed in the Schwann 
Opus catalogue as being currently in print, but that does not mean it 
is not available. It is still listed on the BIS web site which is 
www.bis.se.

Address of BIS is:

BIS Gramophone Company
Va(umlaut over a)ringava(umlaut over a)gen 6, S-182 63 Djursholm, 
Sweden

Telephone: Stockholm (Int. + 468) 755 4100
Fax: (Int. + 468)  755 7676

Their web site has addresses of their foreign distributors.

I am not a hum hearer, and, when I read the note about the faulty 
earth I got my best headphones out and listened to it very carefully 
through them. I could not hear anything but music. 

The reason I am bringing this to your attention is because I thought 
that, if any of you hearers have access to this CD, you might want to 
listen to it yourself to see if you hear anything. If somebody does 
hear something that sounds like the legitimate hum, somebody might want 
to get in touch with BIS and see if any more technical information  is 
available about the equipment used for the recording.

--
"If you think of reality as the software for the universe, all it would 
take is for someone to change a comma in the program, and the chair you 
are sitting on wouldn't be a chair at all."--Jaques Vallee

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>Wir moechten Sie hoeflichst darauf aufmerksam machen, dass ein
>schwaches Summen in der Opernaufnahme zu hoeren is (Erdnungsfehler) --

Erdungsfehler, or faulty earth, gives a 50 Hz mains hum here.

The Hum people hear here doesnt resemble the 50 Hz mains hum, but resemb=
les an=20
idling diesel engine. Nobody have yet thought that it resembled the hum =
of a=20
faulty earth connection.

The CD is available here from the local book store. They dont have it in=
 stock,=20
but there is a stock of the CD at the importer. (price 120 DKK)

Regards, Anders

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At 10:51 AM 10/06/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>HoloTec AG
>Bireggstrasse 14
>CH-6003 Luzern
>Tlf 041 / 44 44 85
>Fax 041 / 44 44 86
>
>This company sell strange devices, litterature, education and research. 
>They are familiar with Schumann resonance devices, and possible sell some.
>If they dont stock them, they should be able to tell you where to ask.
>
>Regards, Anders
>
Thanks Anders. You gave me an address once before. I sent a snail mail away
with a self addressed return envelope and never recieved back a reply, so I
never tried again. 

G.D.Mutch
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Hello, To all I'm New to the list. I am a shade tree experimenter in the
realm of ham radio, audio amplifiers, and soon also radio astronomy. I'm a
professional Computer Aided
Designer and computer network admin. One question I have is this, could the
hum be a harmonic of an even lower more powerfull signal? thanks

From taoshum-l-request@eskimo.com  Tue Jun 17 07:26:06 1997
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I still havent found the message about a Swiss engineer, who recorded Hum 
in Switzerland.

(Not a Swedish engineer, who recorded Hum in Sweden. Switzerland and Sweden 
is not quite the same, though from a US viewpoint both are across a large 
water)

I still would like to hear from this engineer, or about this engineer.

Regards, Anders

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Anders, <i3683@csc.dk (I3683)>

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Subject: Swiss Hum?
You wrote:

>I still haven't found the message about a Swiss engineer, who recorded Hum 
>in Switzerland.

>(Not a Swedish engineer, who recorded Hum in Sweden. Switzerland and Sweden 
>is not quite the same, though from a US viewpoint both are across a large 
>water)

>I still would like to hear from this engineer, or about this engineer.

>Regards, Anders

Well Anders, since this is the second time or so you have asked for this 
message, and since you have done so in your usual polite, civil, courteous, and 
mannerly way, I just could not resist helping you out.

I know the others on this forum have been really working hard to come up with 
the message for you, for the very same reasons. I simply cannot understand why 
someone has not gotten it for you before this. Can you?

Regards,

Oliver <juno@interserv.com>

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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:18:05 +0200
From: Daniel Meyer <Daniel@Meyer.ch>
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Subject: TAO - HUM in Switzerland

Hello
I'm very glad to see, that there ist a web site concerning this theme. I
have read about the phenomenon years ago in an audio pro magazine. I'm a
sound engineer since 18 years. I detected the hum some night when I was
living in a very light built house, reading a book in my bed. I was
wondering, why there was a two-propellor airplaine flying always in a
long distance in the sky at such a late time, both propellor in a
slightly different numbers of revolution.
This was about 1983. I cannot say, if the hum was there before. 
>From that night on, the hum was pursueing me almost every night until
today. I told it several month after to some of my friends. Some reached
to hear it also, others where absolutely not aware to hear it or told
me, that there could not be such a thing, it must be inside me.
I begun to measure the sound. The sound was a very broad-banded signal
bewteen 25 and 40 Hz. The modulation about 1 to 2 Hz.
In the article I mentinoed above, there was the opinion, that about 10
to 15 percent of all poeple should have an anomalie of their ears, so
that they are able to hear much more of the bass frequencies than
"normal" persons. This should be one of the reasons, why some person are
aware to hear it while others dont. I asked more persons and found that
acknowledged.
Frome the days of remarking the sound, it was easy to study the
phenomenon because at night, the sound was very loud. The days I was in
a psychically more weak estate, it was very hard to stand it.I had
sometimes thoughts to leave switzerland because of the hum!
I begun further to notice, under which circumstances, the sound was
audible. During the days, the normal noise covered the hum. But in
seldom and calm periods, the hum was absolutely and clearly audible.
Then, some times later, I recognized, that the noise was quite away,
except in very calme nights, it was anyway audible, but very low.
In these days, I heard in the news flash, that, at the moment, in our
very near situated atomic power plant (Goesgen, near Aarau) there was
the time for changing the burning elements and the plant was driven
down. What a message! And about the date, it was told us, that the plant
was restarting, the noise was there in old estate. 
I must say, that much more near where I live now (since 8 years at
another near place of the discovering of the hum), there are several
little water-power current plants (do you call them like that in
english, I dont think so!). The effect with the changing of the burning
elements occured again years later. Nevertheless, there are more signs
in my observations during all the years, that these atomic plants and
other big current producing buildings as well as power consuming plants
driving big motors or machines seem all together working out  - say
better: producing - this hum.
I also hear the hum 40 km away from the plant on top of a 1400m hight
mountain.
But until today, there is no 100 percent correlation between the plants
and the hum. It seems, like these plants are only stimulating the
resonance, making audible or reinforcing something which is anyway here.
A last word: In the last 12 months, I was four times in Kenya, East
Africa, South Coast. There is no hum at all, There are also no near
currents plants there, and for hours during the day, the current
production is stopped. The udes big generators in the hotels are
audible, but not very far.
I will stop now with this story. 
It is the first time I write about the hum. (and of course the first
time I write about that in english, but I hope, it will be possible to
understand what I mean)
If you can use my story, please feel free.
Best regards
Daniel Meyer / 7.4.1997 - 23:15 CED
E-Mail: Daniel@Meyer.CH




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>Well Anders, since this is the second time or so you have asked for this
>message, and since you have done so in your usual polite, civil, courte=
ous,=20
>and mannerly way, I just could not resist helping you out.

What is considered polite, civil, courteous and mannerly is extremely de=
pendant=20
on culture. What is polite in one culture is an offense in another.

>I know the others on this forum have been really working hard to come u=
p with
>the message for you, for the very same reasons. I simply cannot underst=
and why
>someone has not gotten it for you before this. Can you?

I guess most people have deleted the message and forgotten about it.

>Regards,
>Oliver <juno@interserv.com>

You were very kind.

Regards, Anders


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Anders,

On Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 at 09:54:00 CET DST
Subject: Ang.: Re: Swiss Hum?
You wrote:

>>Well Anders, since this is the second time or so you have asked for this
>>message, and since you have done so in your usual polite, civil, courteous,
>>and mannerly way, I just could not resist helping you out.

>What is considered polite, civil, courteous and mannerly is extremely dependant 
>on culture. What is polite in one culture is an offense in another.

Anders, you say this, but I have many friends in Denmark and Sweden. None of 
them speak to, or treat others, with the disdain that you do. In fact, they are 
extremely pleasant people!

I guess you must just hate people in general. I can only assume that you have 
been hurt by someone else and have promised yourself to never let it happen 
again. That is really too bad. You seem to have a lot to offer others.

>You were very kind.

>Regards, Anders

You are welcome. I apologise for being a bit petty.

Oliver

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Hi all on Taoshum.

Recap:
        Does every one remember the article I posted some time back about
the a report of a HUM type of generator situated at the Brisbane airport
here in Australia ? Anders would remember as he commented on it... 

Well I had been watching our local Tv news broadcasts, when on 3 individual
nights ,separated by a couple of weeks, there had been 3 reports that fit
together far to coincidentally for my liking. The first report about 2-3
weeks ago stated that there had been a marked increase in the level of
sports violence in the local brisbane area. There had been unheard of soccer
riots and on the field football violence that has not been seen before, to
name but a few of the major incidences. Just at the start of this week
another report came on TV about a 10% increase of complaints about aircraft
noise from the citizens around the Brisbane airport. To further add to the
paranoia there was another report Tuesday-Wednesday of this week that stated
the local government is trying to force fluoridation into the local Brisbane
city water supply ? Now we all not what sodium-fluoride does to people ? The
3rd Reich new full well of how sodium-fluoride pacified the citizens in
preparation for their evil agenda...the rest is history.

The fact that I knew about the Hum generator at the Brisbane airport and to
hear about the 10% increase of complains around the airport --didn't
surprise me in the least.

To further hear of increase violence levels in the area further added to my
suspicions

Now to hear the government is forcing fluoridation into the water supply to
pacify the local citizens around the Brisbane area is further adding to my
suspicion that the generator may have been put there for this particular
agenda. After all Pauline Hansen (our gutsy go-getem politician) just lives
2 hours drive from there. The ELF may have also been trying to cause riots
to derail her campaign as well ?? After all they are blaming Pauline for
every single thing that could possible go wrong at moment. 

What's further disheartening to myself is the point that when I had fit the
data together as it stands, I didn't even get surprised or shocked about the
facts... I guess I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that some people
are just 'evil', and that is all there is to it...

Better days ahead.
G.D.Mutch


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Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-telemetry.
NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".


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http://www.artbell.com/mirror/gulflink/index.html

Here are all the missing gulfwar files the disappeared from
the US. DoD. Amazing how things can just reappear once they are lost...
Some one had the patriotic sense to save these files. Great work to whom 
ever is responsible.

Get a look at these file before they disappear once and for all...

G.D.Mutch
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Raum & Zeit Nr. 86 contains an add for a device:


IT-Stecker nach Koerbler, zum Preis von 150 DM + 15 DM Porto und Verpackung 
Ausland.

Markt-Kommunikation
GmbH & Co. KG
Postfach 26
D-83621 Dietramszell
Germany

This is a mains plug you plug into a mains socket. According to the add it 
transmit some radiation directly from the plug, and some through the mains 
wiring, that counteracts ELF electropollution.

Koerbler is a German specialist in subtle energies.

Regards, ANders

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Dear Taoshum group:

Hi... my name's John and let me tell you how glad I am 
to have found your group! I have heard the hum regularly
in Sacramento most of my life. (Im 33) At first I thought 
it was just my heartbeat or blood pressure or something
like that but when I go camping or something like that I 
never hear my heart beating in my ears, so it must be 
an external stimuli. What interests me the most is that 
your posting said that it is usually heard in "only in quiet
remote areas" Sacramento is far from quiet or remote.
I am beginning to suspect that the hum is military related 
because we have Coast Guard/Navy transmission towers 
in the foothills of our area. Perhaps the probable source 
of the "hum" in our area. Why is it I can hear it more in 
some areas and not in others. For instance, I haven't ever
heard it in our church's sanctuary. 


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Has anyone ever encountered an unsual phenominon whereby
ordinary objects will suddenly make a popping sound or other
type noise without reasonable explanation? Im not suggesting
A TV because obviously, if you turn off a tv set there are some
residule electrical discharges that are still present. Im talking
about stuff like remote controls and the like making loud popping
sounds. Some nights in particular, my monitor of my computer,
even if it has been not in use for a while will suddenly make a "BANG"
sound.
One time a friend of mine and I were talking at work and an office 
wall partition suddenly made an audibly loud pop. We both were 
startled by the noise and I made an expression like "That was strange"
and he agreed saying "Yeah, that was strange huh?!" 
I am not the only one who has heard these strange poppings.
In reference to the Taos Hum I've noticed that whenever I "mask" the hum with
music or tv I am in a better mood. 


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At 06:55 PM 6/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Has anyone ever encountered an unsual phenominon whereby
>ordinary objects will suddenly make a popping sound or other
>type noise without reasonable explanation? Im not suggesting
>A TV because obviously, if you turn off a tv set there are some
>residule electrical discharges that are still present. Im talking
>about stuff like remote controls and the like making loud popping
>sounds. Some nights in particular, my monitor of my computer,
>even if it has been not in use for a while will suddenly make a "BANG"
>sound.
>One time a friend of mine and I were talking at work and an office 
>wall partition suddenly made an audibly loud pop. We both were 
>startled by the noise and I made an expression like "That was strange"
>and he agreed saying "Yeah, that was strange huh?!" 
>I am not the only one who has heard these strange poppings.
>In reference to the Taos Hum I've noticed that whenever I "mask" the hum with
>music or tv I am in a better mood. 
>
>
>
>I have notice for a long time that after switching off my TV  about 10 -11 pm
a short time after there is always a loud crack or bump  coming from above where
the tv is
Can't explain no body could reach the area  and no person is nearby
Geoff

http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel

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    =20


> Why is it I can hear it more in some areas and not in=20
>others. For instance, I haven't ever heard it in our=20
>church's sanctuary.


In cases of acoustic hum, there are sometimes "islands"=20
without hum in an area covered with hum. In one case you=20
could go 200 meter down the street and go through an area=20
maybe 50 meter across with no or little hum.

It is my impression that this is caused by interference=20
between direct and reflected waves, but it indicates=20
wavelengths longer than I would expect.

Regards, Anders



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Hi there, Somebody - Art Bell used to have a link to the "Taos Hum Homepage"
which they've apparently dropped recently. So, my burning question of the moment
is ... is there currently a relocated, re-named,  or new Taos Hum Homepage
somewhere in the universe and, if so, could you provide me with it's URL?

Thanks for whatever help you can provide ... take care

Robert O. Selover <102721.1436@compuserve.com>
(just "humming" down life's potholed freeway - just couldn't resist, somehow)

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In a message dated 97-06-25 23:13:20 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:	Taos Hum "homepage"???
 Date:	97-06-25 23:13:20 EDT
 From:	102721.1436@CompuServe.COM (Robert O. Selover)
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 Hi there, Somebody - Art Bell used to have a link to the "Taos Hum Homepage"
 which they've apparently dropped recently. So, my burning question of the
moment
 is ... is there currently a relocated, re-named,  or new Taos Hum Homepage
 somewhere in the universe and, if so, could you provide me with it's URL?
 
 Thanks for whatever help you can provide ... take care
 
 Robert O. Selover <102721.1436@compuserve.com>
 (just "humming" down life's potholed freeway - just couldn't resist,
somehow)
 
 
 
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THE URL IS: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html

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Yes... I beleive it is 

 <A HREF="http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html">Taos Hum subsonic ELF low
 frequency hum noise...</A> 

If this link works. Im on AOL right now.


Am hearing the "hum" right now as I type this in. To me it sounds like a
beam that makes a sweep of an area. Like a fog horn kind of effect.
Have you noticed this about the hum?


hardpeak@aol.com

Keep humming along!




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Tonight the hum in Sacramento is particularly loud.
I notice that it has a quality "I use the term loosely"
similar to a fog horn in that it seems to be rotating.
Anyone else have similar experiences to this effect?

Keep on hummin'

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     I listened to this CD yesterday. The Gothenburg version with an 
     apology  on the cover for the unwanted hum on the CD.
     
     There was a weak hum on the record that was masked by the music part 
     of the time.
     
     The hum seemed to vary in strength, being relatively strong in the 
     middle and end of the CD.
     
     It could be described as an idling diesel engine. Or a motorboat 
     saying huf-huf-huf-huf
     
     I couldnt hear any mains hum. The explanation on the cover about a 
     faulty ground seems non-sensical to me.
     
     Regards, Anders

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    =20

     >Tonight the hum in Sacramento is particularly loud.
     >I notice that it has a quality "I use the term loosely"=20
     >similar to a fog horn in that it seems to be rotating.=20

I have heard fog horns many times, but never a rotating foghorn.....

Regards, Anders


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My mom heard the hum last night for the first time.
Now she believes in what I've been trying to tell her 
for months.

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On Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:20:00 CET DST
About: Subject: Ang.: Hum reminds me of a fog horn
<i3683@csc.dk (I3683)> Anders wrote:

[Anders' posting was in response to the original posting by 
<Hardpeak@aol.com>...in Sacremento, CA... on Thu, 26 June 1997 @ 01:58:23 -0400 
(EDT)]

>     >Tonight the hum in Sacramento is particularly loud.
>     >I notice that it has a quality "I use the term loosely"
>     >similar to a fog horn in that it seems to be rotating.

>I have heard fog horns many times, but never a rotating foghorn.....

>Regards, Anders

-----------------------------
This is a very interesting subject. Most actual hum hearers express what they 
hear in visual as well as audio terms.

Non-hearers cannot fathom this type of expression, as it makes no sense at all 
to them. Thus very little subjective "reality" exists between "hearers" and 
"non-hearers" regarding the Taos-hum.

Some people are more "visually" oriented in their thinking, such as artists and 
writers, while technically minded people are "linear" thinkers. Theirs is more 
the realm of symbols and logic.

This is not to say that either is right or wrong, they are just different.

Both types of thinkers are necessary for any useful information to be derived 
from an investigation into this phenomenon.

Incidentally, I have heard this same "foghorn" aspect of the hum, but did not 
think to call it "rotating", but that does indeed describe it. It sounds like a 
fog horn that is rotating. You hear it getting louder as it is turning in your 
direction, and getting quieter as it turns away from you.

I heard this in the Portland, OR area. 

Only, this is *not* a foghorn, and not really an acoustic signal at all.

The ability to tell the difference between a perceived "sound" from an actual 
acoustic source, and a signal being carried by some other type of waveform, may 
also be a peculiarity of the perceptic qualities of an actual Taos-hum hearer. 
Again, for the non-hearer this is a difficult concept to grasp and is therefore 
difficult for him to gain a subjective reality on that ability. 

The Non-hearer will say you cannot possibly perceive the difference, because he 
cannot. Just because something cannot exist in the mind of one person, does not 
mean it cannot exist in the mind of another. Also, just because something cannot 
be perceived by one person, does not mean it cannot be perceived by another.

I might add, it can be terribly frustrating at times, to explain what is being 
perceived to another person who is in the same location yet perceives nothing! 
This is in addition to the fact that the two people not only do not perceive 
alike, they do not even think alike!  Therefore, comminication can be 
frustrating as hell! 

A problem of comparable magnitude might be "cross species communication". Ever 
try to discuss with a porpoise or an orca what he/she is perceiving or 
experiencing?

May good things happen,

Oliver W. Jopling <juno@interserv.com>

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    =20
>Incidentally, I have heard this same "foghorn" aspect of the hum,=20
>but did not think to call it "rotating", but that does indeed=20
>describe it. It sounds like a fog horn that is rotating.=20
>You hear it getting louder as it is turning in your direction,=20
>and getting quieter as it turns away from you.
    =20
So the effect could be described as a sound which is 100 % amplitude mod=
ulated=20
with a low frequency sinus. This is a description that a radio ham might=
 use.

Or the effect could be described as a sound containing two frequencies w=
ith a=20
very small frequency difference, maybe 0.2 Hz, and roughly equal amplitu=
des.=20
Which is a description which a physicist might use.

Regards, Anders

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Anders,

Did I post my comments regarding the "Foghorn" aspect of the hum directly to 
your E-mail address? I intended to send it to the Taoshum list, directed to you 
*and* the originator of the "Hum reminds me of a fog horn" posting.

My mailer has been a bit messed up due to switching from my desktop to a laptop, 
and from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. So sorry about that.

I am in Alaska right now and didn't bring all my files with me. I wonder if I 
might impose upon you to forward that *entire* posting, if you still have a copy 
of the file, to taoshum-l@eskimo.com?

It would be appreciated.

Thank you.

As far as your comments go:
    
>>Incidentally, I have heard this same "foghorn" aspect of the hum,
>>but did not think to call it "rotating", but that does indeed
>>describe it. It sounds like a fog horn that is rotating.
>>You hear it getting louder as it is turning in your direction,
>>and getting quieter as it turns away from you.
    
>So the effect could be described as a sound which is 100 % amplitude modulated
>with a low frequency sinus. This is a description that a radio ham might
>use.

>Or the effect could be described as a sound containing two frequencies 
>with a very small frequency difference, maybe 0.2 Hz, and roughly equal 
>amplitudes. Which is a description which a physicist might use.

>Regards, Anders

Well, I certainly cannot disagree with you, nor can I agree with you, as I am 
neither a "ham" nor a "physicist". I am just a person who is perceiving 
something and describing it the best I can. 

But then, I suppose all the hams and physicists on the list may benefit from 
this interpretation of what we are perceiving. If it is indeed a *correct* 
interpretation, that is.

Regards,

Oliver



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>
>Anders,
    =20
>Did I post my comments regarding the "Foghorn" aspect of the hum direct=
ly to=20
>your E-mail address?=20

I received the message twice identically, each time addressed to me AND =
the Taos
Hum list. I usually receive messages from the Taos Hum list only once, b=
ut=20
addressed to me AND the Taos Hum list.=20
My interpretation is that you sent the messaage twice to the Taos Hum an=
d not=20
directly to me.


>I wonder if I might impose upon you to forward that *entire* posting, i=
f you=20
>still have a copy of the file, to taoshum-l@eskimo.com?
    =20
     All members of taoshum-l should already have received the message=20
     twice. Correct me if I am wrong.
    =20
    =20
     ...
    =20
>Well, I certainly cannot disagree with you, nor can I agree with you,=20
>as I am neither a "ham" nor a "physicist". I am just a person who is=20
>perceiving something and describing it the best I can.

A 100% amplitude modulation with a sinus would mean that the loudness of=
 the hum
would vary periodically between zero and a maximum. How many seconds bet=
ween the
maxima? Is the loudness at the minima really zero? A perceiver could add=
 this=20
information.

Regards, Anders

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At 06:55 PM 24/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Has anyone ever encountered an unsual phenominon whereby
>ordinary objects will suddenly make a popping sound or other
>type noise without reasonable explanation? Im not suggesting
>A TV because obviously, if you turn off a tv set there are some
>residule electrical discharges that are still present. Im talking
>about stuff like remote controls and the like making loud popping
>sounds. Some nights in particular, my monitor of my computer,
>even if it has been not in use for a while will suddenly make a "BANG"
>sound.
>One time a friend of mine and I were talking at work and an office 
>wall partition suddenly made an audibly loud pop. We both were 
>startled by the noise and I made an expression like "That was strange"
>and he agreed saying "Yeah, that was strange huh?!" 
>I am not the only one who has heard these strange poppings.
>In reference to the Taos Hum I've noticed that whenever I "mask" the hum with
>music or tv I am in a better mood. 

Yes I have the exact same thing happen to myself all the time... Objects behind
my head go pop; also my iron roof makes a heavy pop. My computer makes the
same strange pop even after the 3rd new monitor. Strange images suddenly
appear on my TV screen. My bedroom fan makes a noise like a car slipping its
clutch. This is only a relatively new fan. It is my belief the ELF can
target anything with a wound coil... Ie computer EHT, electric motor
windings; even the CMOS gate of transistors. Scalar wave beam technology
from satellite modulating an ELF ground wave carrier, to be truer to the mark.  

Re: Mood.
    Yes if you don't let the beam obtain a tune resonance with yourself you will
feel much better... Ie. background or audible white noise is the trick to
prevent phase lock.
 
To add extra worries...
There is a big push in Australia at the moment to get every on onto private
health cover. The down side to this is that the government and the private
enterprise ELF (evil little fellows) have access to all you family health
history. What a nice safe way to experiment on people with Scalar Wave
technology. Eg. Any one with a now known family history of heart disease could
be made to have a heart attack. And all the records would show is that it is 
in the family history. What about schizophrenia, cancer , mental disorders?
What about knowing people with genetic differences: their family tree would
be target for termination ?  Who f@#@ has the right to play god ?

Better days ahead...
G.D.Mutch

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I got on the internet two weeks ago and was surprised when I stumbled
across sites dedicated to the hum which has been plaguing me for several
years.  I knew there were others with the same malady having seen a
small article in the newspaper some time back.  I first noticed the
"HUMMMMMMMMMM", which is pretty steady for me.. not a modulated low
frequency tone, about three or four years ago.  That's about the same
time I got my first personal computer, although I had been operating
packet radio with a Commodore computer for three years or so before
that.  It usually started in the evening after work and while I was
"computering".  I really tho't it was just because I was tired and not
getting enough rest... until I read that little article.
Now, I have compared "my hum" to the .wav file on the archive produced
by Ron Hill.  It is practically identical.  The small difference is most
likely the reproductive weakness of my small computer speakers.  Also,
more recently I have at times heard two distinct hums, very close in
frequency.  I say "heard" but that's not the word.  I wear hearing aids
in both ears and they don't increase the volume of the hum and removing
them doesn't decrease it.  It doesn't matter if I'm standing, lying
down, flying, boating, or driving.. the hum is steady seldom deviates...
until recently as I said when I am occasionally hearing two hums.
I wonder if anyone else has reported a second hum or discovered any way
to minimize it.  I feel it is disturbing my sleep as I'm sleepy so much
of the time anymore.
I live in Jacksonville, Florida and it was here that I first contracted
"hummers dilemma".
RichWilk


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     > It doesn't matter if I'm standing, lying down, flying, boating,=20
     >or driving.. the hum is steady seldom deviates...=20
    =20
     I think this is the first time sombody have reported being able to =

     hear a hum while flying, or driving.
    =20
     How far can you fly or drive without the hum changing? If you make =
a=20
     loop, does it change?
    =20
     Regards, Anders

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> I wear hearing aids in both ears and they don't increase the=20
>volume of the hum and removing them doesn't decrease it.  It doesn't=20
>matter if I'm standing, lying down, flying, boating, or driving.. the=20
>hum is steady seldom deviates... until recently as I said when I am=20
>occasionally hearing two hums.

What characterizes Taos-type Hum and Tinnitus is that Taos-type Hum depe=
nds on=20
the location. You hear it in some places, and in other places you dont h=
ear it.=20
Tinnitus doesnt depend on the location. If you have it, you hear it ever=
ywhere.

Tinnitus is normally heard as high frequencies, not as a hum.=20
I dont remember earlier reports of Tinnitus-type Hum.

I got a letter which was addressed to me, not to the Taoslist from=20
richwilk@smart1.net. I assume it was intended for the Taos list,=20
I therefore quote the contents here:

Anders:Truthfully, I've heard (not really hearing but sensing inside my =
little=20
pea brain) that hum just about everywhere I've been.  It's so subtle and=
 I'm so=20
used to it that I probably shouldn't have made that statement because I'=
m sure=20
there are times and/or places that it isn't present and I just don't not=
ice.  I=20
do recall, that while traveling extensively last year there were places =
in the=20
country where I rested better than others.  I didn't attribute it to the=
 hum=20
being gone but I was usually so tired (driving) that I just passed out o=
nce I=20
hit the sack.I do recall telling my wife the last time we flew that I co=
uld even
hear that hum when we were at 29,000 feet.  That was about three years a=
go.  Few
commercial airliners do loops so I really couldn't answer to that part.
What I do notice now that I'm really paying attention to it is that it g=
ets much
more intense the longer I sit in front of my computer monitor so that by=
 the=20
time I go to bed at night it's really humming away.
I hope that answers your questions.  Next time I fly I'll really pay clo=
se=20
attention.
(No loops, tho', sorry.)
rich

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At 12:45 PM 7/07/97 +0100, you wrote:
>     > It doesn't matter if I'm standing, lying down, flying, boating, 
>     >or driving.. the hum is steady seldom deviates... 
>     
>     I think this is the first time sombody have reported being able to 
>     hear a hum while flying, or driving.
> 
>     How far can you fly or drive without the hum changing? If you make a 
>     loop, does it change?
>     
>     Regards, Anders

Hi Anders... 
        Judy? an I both reported hearing the hum while driving... Its about
4-5 times louder when I'm in the car. I can travel thousands of kilometers
and still here the same
constant hum, no matter where I am.

 I have just read 3 totally unrelated books on spiritual development into
the year 2000... most interesting. The ironical part is that each book made
a separate reference to scalar weapons, particle beam weapons, killer
satellites, psychotronic generators, an the possible SOUL destruction of
human kind by a such systems. I guess that means peoples will to live will
be gone before the system is fully implemented. The only reason the world is
worth living in, is because we still have some form of free will... Once
this free will is gone no one will want to stay here. This lost of will has
already taken form here in Australia with families committing genocide. The
father of one family left a note stating he didn't wish his children to grow
up in a satanic world. I wonder if this is becoming a world trend like the
similar "Heavens Gate" genocide ? I think this spells a big message to the
powers that be. But if the 2/3 reduction in world population target set by
security agencies is any thing to go by, I can safely say they are sitting
back laughing --their hum generators appear to be working...

interesting
G.D.Mutch

P.S. If there is one thing I have learned in life is that every body, no
matter who they
are, will eventually get back what they give out. This means our little ELF
buddies are in for a sad sad future. May the Creator have mercy on your
SOULS you ELF, for I know within my heart the BIG GUY UPSTAIRS has a special
place put aside "JUST FOR YOU, WHERE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM", enjoy your
pathetic little short lives: --for ETERNITY IN HELL IS A LONG TIME. 
ETERNITY IN HELL IS A LONG TIME. 
ETERNITY IN HELL IS A LONG TIME.  
ETERNITY IN HELL IS A LONG TIME. 
      
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NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".


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> Trans Menu | Robertson UFO Lecture | Orion Tech | Bialek 1991 | Bialek
> 1992 | Cameron/Nichols | Time Energy Xfer | Conv on Mind Control
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>               ORION TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER SECRET PROJECTS
> 
>                      by Valdamar Valerian (c) 1992
> 
>                              Introduction
> 
>                                 [Image]
> 
> This report was constructed from over 9 hours of video interviews,
> personal interviews and individual commentary. It is structured in an
> open question-answer format, without regard to who is asking the
> question and who is answering; this format also allows insertion of
> other data in the later part of the report in the same open Q&A
> format. The data is not proven or verified, but is reported as
> received. This report contains information on the following: The
> Philadelphia Project, or Project Rainbow, Phoenix Projects 1-3,
> origins of the Radiosonde and connections with the work of Wilhelm
> Reich, government weather control programs and hidden agenda, the
> Montauk Hind Control projects, the deliberate murder of thousands of
> American children in mind control research and time tunnel
> experiments, government time-tunnel projects and operational
> procedures, how Nickola Tesla and Von Neumann contributed to these
> projects, the "martyrdom clause", mind control by individual
> signature, technical ways to produce planetary holograms and Matreiya
> effects, the explanation behind closed time loops, government
> rationale and plans for the confinement camps and slave labor, Project
> Dreamscan, Project Moonscan, the Airborne Instrument Labs, Project
> Mindwrecker, the alien groups known as the Kondrashkin and their
> interaction with US Government mind control programs, the Kamogol II
> and Giza Groups, the negative Sirians, Soviet scalar weaponry, Orion
> Group manipulations, 6th root race incarnations, telepathy producing
> drugs and their use and suppression, the FAA and zero-time generators,
> technical spin-offs from the Philadelphia project, the International
> Aerospace Alliance, cross-section of implant device, Wilhelm Reich and
> mind control, Reichian Orgastic-type programming and its use by the US
> Government and Sirians, the Psi-Corps, Alien soul-trading, Montauk and
> the aliens from the Antares system, the Leverons, the Elohim Group,
> the US Navy and time-tunnel projects, the US Government and the Greys,
> electronic life support,systems of the Reptilian Humanoids, new life
> form masses over the poles and their relation to yearly outbreaks of
> flu-like disease, AIDS and Fort Dietrick (NSA), Maglev trains and the
> US underground tunnel network, the missing human genes, buried
> spacecraft and alien technical archives under the Giza pyramid, the
> coming new money, the "Black Nobility", Nordic and human copper based
> blood systems and physiology, the technology of cloning and the
> development of synthetic humans and political replacement programs,
> the Middle East situation, Congressional awareness of drug and alien
> agenda, the MIB, the US Army and the black helicopter forces,
> government mobile mind disruption technology, nature and purposes and
> the Orion Group, fourth density transmutation of the human race,
> geological changes, Sirian Mind Control technology, and more, along
> with illustrations gleaned from witnesses with photographic memory and
> a lot of courage. This information is supplementary to that in Chapter
> 7 (Matrix III).
> 
> The Interviews
> 
> Where do you want to start?
> 
> Let's start with the Phoenix Project.
> 
> It was a project that evolved out of the Philadelphia Project. it was
> a project that the Navy did in the 1930's and 1940's in an attempt to
> make ships invisible. They threw the switch one eventful day and the
> ship went into hyperspace. They had all sorts of problems with the
> people on the boat. It was a huge success as well as a huge failure -
> then they shelved it. Around 1947 it was decided to re-activate the
> project and it was moved to Brookhaven National Laboratories with Dr.
> John Von Neumann and his associates. Out of Phoenix I came Stealth
> technology, which I cannot talk about because of my job. It also
> produced all sorts of energetic little toys like the radiosonde.
> 
> What is a radiosonde?
> 
> Well, in all appearances it was a little white box that they attached
> to a balloon and sent up into the atmosphere. The government told
> people that it involved gathering weather data. It used a very unusual
> type of pulse modulation. In most cases they used a CW (continuous
> wave) oscillator and pulsed the signal. This turned out to be a very
> efficient conversion of electrical energy to etheric energy. I very
> recently started collecting radiosondes. I never saw a receiver. I
> found out that they were designed up at Brookhaven National Labs. I
> started to talk to people at Brookhaven and ran into a retired
> gentleman who used to work there. He told me that the design was
> originally done by Wilhelm Reich. That peaked my interest. The story
> goes that in about 1947 Wilhelm Reich handed the US Government a
> weather control device, a device that would do DOR-busting. Reich
> thought that if he could decrease the amount of DOR that storms would
> not be so violent. (DOR is the result of orgone energy coming into
> contact with an enclosed radioactive source. This produces a Deadly
> Orgone Energy - DOR - which threatens life. It is also produced in the
> atmosphere through other processes. The government sent the device up
> there into a storm and it did reduce the intensity of the storm. The
> government liked it, and they started another phase of the Phoenix
> project where they designed these "radiosondes" and started launching
> them in large numbers, maybe 200 to 500 per day. The radio in these
> things had a range of about 1oo miles. If they used so many of them,
> one would think that receivers for them would be common-place. I used
> to be a collector of radio receivers. I have over 100 in my personal
> collection. I have never seen a radiosonde receiver. I have heard of
> them but I have never seen them.
> 
> What are the frequencies used?
> 
> The frequencies used are 403 MHz and 1680 MHz. They used two different
> frequencies.
> 
> They are both on at the same time?
> 
> No. One or the other was used at any one time. The earlier ones used
> 403 MHz plus or minus 2 MHz. The later ones used 1680 MHZ, plus or
> minus 6 MHz. The "thermistor" in them had gold, silver, platinum and
> iridium in it. Reich used sensors that had gold and silver in them.
> The humidity element is a plastic plate with silver around the rim and
> conductive lines going across the plate. They put a very unusual
> mixture of chemicals on this plate. Unlike most humistors, the
> resistance went up as it got damp.
> 
> What we're theorizing at this point is that the "thermistor"
> (temperature sensing) rod acts like a DOR antenna out-of-phase. The
> "humidity sensor" acts as an antenna for the orgone; The pressure
> sensor is essentially what they call a barrel switch, which is a
> pressure sensitive cycling switch. The device would destroy DOR and
> build up the orgone. The transmitter consisted of two oscillators, one
> of which would run at the carrier frequency (403 or 1680) and a second
> one which was a 7 MHz oscillator hooked into the grid of the carrier
> oscillator. The result was that the 7 MHZ oscillator would pulse on
> and off.
> 
> How does all this relate to what was going on with these other
> projects?
> 
> The government could not tell the public these were weather control
> devices. What we are seeing here is actually the genesis of what
> became the Montauk project, which was a combination of Wilhelm Reich's
> work and the Philadelphia Experiment. There were two separate projects
> going on in Phoenix One. You had the invisibility aspect and you had
> the development of Wilhelm Reich's weather control. Toward the end of
> the Phoenix project, by using some of Wilhelm Reich's concepts and
> some of the transmission schemes used from the "radiosonde" project,
> they found that you could combine the two -factors and use them for
> MIND CONTROL. Government circles would have me say "mood alteration",
> but mind control is what these idiots were doing.
> 
> That's what the Montauk project was?
> 
> No. Phoenix One. After political circles found out about it they
> wanted it shut down. The people that were running it went to the
> military and proposed that they could use it to "influence the minds
> of the enemy". The military loved the idea, and let them use the old
> Montauk Air Force Base. Among the equipment requested was an old SAGE
> radar unit, which was on the base. The base was shut down and
> everything was auctioned off. The group then moved in from the
> Brookhaven Labs. That began what we call Phoenix Two. They spent the
> first ten years, from about 1969 to about 1979, researching pure mind
> control. They started out by taking the output of the SAGE radar,
> modulating the special wave that Reich had showed them from the
> weather control process, and combined that with something noticed from
> the Philadelphia Experiment work. They transmitted about 406 MHz. It
> would hop around frequencies and change in phase. They used the
> amplidine concept where you have many stages pulse-modulated. BRF was
> from 10 cycles to 750 cycles. The pulse width could be varied anywhere
> from 10 to 75ms. The center frequency was 406MHz generated from a
> stay-low type function which was referenced from a zero-time function.
> 
> Was there any other modulation on this?
> 
> There was frequency hopping on it.
> 
> So Phoenix Two started in 1969?
> 
> Yes, in the period from 1969 to 1971. Phoenix One went from 1948 to
> 1968. The first part of the mind control project was to take an
> individual and stand them about 250 feet away from the antenna. The
> SAGE radar had a peak pulse power of .5 MW. The antenna had a gain of
> 30db. That means an effective radiated power of at least a gigawatt.
> It was nominally a gigawatt. Can you imagine what that would do to
> people? I think its amazing these people are still here. It does
> things like burn out brain functions, create neurological damage, scar
> lungs from heat, etc. They tried this with a number of people and
> there were few survivors.
> 
> Where did they get the volunteers for this?
> 
> They were just grabbing indigent people off the street and throwing
> them in front of the radar beam. That's the sort of nonsense that the
> government loves to do.
> 
> Who was in charge of the project at this time?
> 
> Dr. John Von Neumann and Jack Pruett.
> 
> Any particular agency?
> 
> I'm not sure what the agency was. Now, somebody got the brilliant idea
> to put the subjects directly in line with the gain horn of the
> antenna. Lo and behold they got their result without burning the
> people up. They found out that by varying the phase modulation and the
> frequency hopping and the pulsing of the multiple phases that they
> could have profound effects on a persons mind.
> 
> How many people worked at this installation?
> 
> About 30.
> 
> Who authorized them use of the base?
> 
> The Air Force and the Navy. It was a joint project. There were both
> Navy and Air Force personnel involved. We have copies of the orders
> for the Air Force personnel.
> 
> What was the cover story for the base?
> 
> They had none. It was a derelict base.
> 
> It was abandoned. It was turned over to GSA as surplus around 1969 or
> 1970 when they shut down all the SAGE radar systems.
> 
> It was a "non-existent" operation. it was a perfect cover.
> 
> Where did they get the funding?
> 
> It was totally private.
> 
> Corporations?
> 
> It didn't originally come from corporations, although it did in later
> phases. The original money came from the Nazi government.
> 
> This is Phoenix One?
> 
> No, this is Phoenix Two and Three. In 1944 there was an American troop
> train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion
> in Nazi gold which they had found. it was $10 billion at the 1944
> price of $20 per ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It
> killed 51 American soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at
> Montauk. This has been verified. That money was used to finance the
> project for many years as the value of gold went uo. They spent all of
> it and ran out of money. That's when they tapped on ITT, who funded
> it. ITT was owned by Krupp in Germany. In terms of personnel, many of
> the civilians and scientists there were all ex-Nazi's who came from
> Germany both before and after the war ended. The project was under US
> Government surveillance. The intelligence community knew what was
> going on and the CIA monitored everything, as did other government
> intelligence agencies. The field of players who actually operated on
> the base was small, between 30 and 50. The funding was entirely
> private. After 1983, Senator Goldwater found out about it and started
> an investigation. He couldn't find any trace of government funding.
> Pruett was the metaphysical director of the project. He was Air Force.
> After he left Dr. Herman C. Untermann took over. They had an
> electronics expert, Dr. Mathew E. Zerrett, who came over from Germany
> in 1946 with Werhner von Braun. Probably the reason that they ran out
> of money is that they had a total of 25 bases around the United States
> to support. The last of the bases shut down August 12, 1983. The base
> at Montauk, where all the stations got their zero-time reference from,
> shut down and the other two remaining bases went down with it.
> 
> What about some of the mind effects?
> 
> From what I recall of the program, as I was part of it, I was
> subjected to the mind control field not as I initially went into the
> program (because they wanted me initially for my sensitive abilities)
> but later. I was assigned to the indoctrination of the younger
> recruits. The first indoctrination turned out to be a disaster. I told
> them I didn't want anything to do with the program, and they put me in
> front of this mind beam, and it did do damage to me. Finally, someone
> said, "shut it off, he isn't going to give in to it" and they shut it
> off. Others were affected much more seriously than I was. The effects
> were generally really bad. It could burn your brains out. They would
> go out and pick kids between the ages of 12 and 16 off the street...
> 
> That's where a lot of disappearing American kids went?
> 
> We estimate they took 10,000 American children off the street and
> brought them to Montauk, New Jersey. The total number of people that
> they pulled off the streets for the 25 stations was about 250,000.
> What the actual thrust of the program was in terms of all these kids
> is still a mystery. We still don't know the answers. We know they were
> fully programmed for something. They were subjected to programming
> which eventually became more "humane" using advanced electronic
> techniques. The original programming was Reichian in nature and was
> more physical. Later they worked out techniques that used computers
> and electronic programming with the Reichian techniques that took very
> fast and had little side effects.
> 
> Are you aware of any people presently who have been through this?
> 
> I've run into people over the years. There is a very specific field
> identity pattern you can detect if you are sensitive enough. You can
> spot a person who has been through the Montauk program "five miles
> away". it's vary distinctive in the way that it's been altered. I've
> spotted more than a dozen people in the Long Island, New York area.
> 
> What about Von Neumann?

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    =20
     An interesting article about mind control and time travel experimen=
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At 11:51 AM 9/07/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>     
>     An interesting article about mind control and time travel experiments.
>     
>     I have met a few people involved in mind control and time travel 
>     experiments.
>     
>     A facinating subject, but difficult to get much reliable information 
>     about it...
>     
>     Regards, Anders
>     

Yes true, but the fact that the article states they have done some research
in this area
is more than proof that the techniques are/where developed or engineered. I
think a person would have to be very very naive not to think that
governments in the world would not jump at the chance to use this
technology. Power unto themselves... ultimate ego 
trip. I'm starting to understand the use of this technology... As much as I
hate to admit: it really is amazing the way it works. I now know that this
technology can work for, or against, those with the know-how. Its amazing. I
would like to see this technology put in the hands of the public, where it
can be put to positive/good-natured use. 

More startling information to come... I have an amazing piece of info to
tell others
about. To the HEARERS: don't give up hope with the HUM noise what ever you
do... try not to loose faith. This is an important thing to understand at
this stage... It takes all my courage some days not to give in... there is a
positive side to all negative, I may have some good info to pass on to
others, but I need to study the facts further to be absolutely sure of what
the true facts are.


interesting
G.D.Mutch

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<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
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>R
>
>Folks, this is truly incredible.  The EPA and its protectors, finally
>realize that fluoride is a deadly chemical?  I can't figure it out.
>
>
>NEWS RELEASE
>>
>>Contact: Jeff Green, Citizens For Safe Drinking Water
>>3243 Madrid Street San Diego, CA 92110
>>Email:   jgreen@abac.com   dkennedy@ucsd.edu
>>800) 728-3833 (v)   (619) 222-6981 (f)
>>
>>J. William Hirzy, Ph.D., Senior V.P. NFFE, Local 2050
>>P.O. Box 76082, Washington, D.C. 20013
>>(202) 260-2383 (v) (202) 401-3139 (f)
>>
>>
>>EPA Scientists Take Stand Against Fluoridation
>>
>>The EPA scientists, engineers and attorneys who assess the scientific data
>>for Safe Drinking Water Act standards and other EPA regulations have gone
>>on record against the practice of adding fluoride to public drinking water.
>>
>>On Wednesday, July 2, 1997, National Federation of Federal Employees, Local
>>2050, which consists of professionals at EPA headquarters in Washington,
>>D.C., voted unanimously to co-sponsor the California Safe Drinking Water
>>Initiative that would reverse the State Legislature's 1995 law mandating
>>fluoridation.
>>
>>Both proponents of fluoridation and the sponsors of this initiative
>>consider the result of the fluoridation battle in California to be crucial
>>to the federal government's plan to fluoridate the entire United States by
>>the year 2000.
>>
>>Citizens for Safe Drinking Water and their sponsors are circulating
>>petitions to gather 500,000 signatures by October to place the initiative
>>prohibiting fluoridation in California on the June 1998 statewide ballot.
>>
>>In its endorsement of the initiative, the EPA professional's union states,
>>"It is our hope that our co-sponsorship of the Safe Drinking Water
>>Initiative to prohibit fluoridation will have a beneficial effect on the
>>health and welfare of all Californians by helping to keep their water free
>>of a chemical substance for which there is substantial evidence of adverse
>>health effects and, contrary to public perception, virtually no evidence of
>>significant benefits."
>>
>>The statement from NFFE Local 2050 continues, "Our members' review of the
>>body of evidence over the last eleven years, including animal and human
>>epidemiology studies, indicate a causal link between fluoride/fluoridation
>>and cancer, genetic damage, neurological impairment, and bone pathology. Of
>>particular concern are recent epidemiology studies linking fluoride
>>exposure to lowered IQ in children.
>>
>>"As the professionals who are charged with assessing the safety of drinking
>>water, we conclude that the health and welfare of the public is not served
>>by the addition of this substance to the public water supply."
>>
>>After numerous attempts to correct EPA management conclusions that were not
>>supported by the available facts, the union attempted to join a lawsuit
>>against their own employer in 1986, citing "fraudulent alterations of data
>>and negligent omission of fact to arrive at predetermined Agency political
>>positions regarding fluoride."
>>
>>Dr. Wm. L. Marcus, Senior Science Advisor in EPA's Office of Drinking
>>Water, was fired for a 1990 whistle-blowing memo calling for a review of
>>the cover-up of the National Toxicology Program study that shows fluoride
>>is a "probable human carcinogen [cancer causing agent]".
>>
>>Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, that finding alone prohibits the
>>addition of fluoride to the public water supply. Although Dr. Marcus won
>>his whistle-blower lawsuit, with punitive damages, and returned to work at
>>the EPA, the classifications were never reviewed.
>>
>>Historically, fluoridation is mandated by government and rejected by
>>citizens. Communities all over the U.S. are currently fighting for their
>>right to choose. Japan and nearly all of Europe have rejected fluoridation.
>>
>>The California Safe Drinking Water Initiative reads:
>>
>>The public water supply should be safe for all to drink.
>>
>>In order to protect the public health from increased risk of hip fracture,
>>cancer, dental fluorosis and other harmful effects which have been linked
>>to fluoride in the scientific literature, and whereas data from the U.S.
>>Public Health Service and the State of California show no significant
>>difference in decay rates of permanent teeth and dental costs in
>>fluoridated and non fluoridated areas in California;
>>
>>Section 116410 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
>>No fluoride or fluorine-containing substance may be added to public water
>>systems. All laws to the contrary are hereby repealed.
>>
>>For more information on the petition drive, contact Citizens for Safe
>>Drinking Water at 1 (888) 704-3833. Or visit:
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From: Abraham Stough <egberrt@b4futures.net>
Subject: More interesting info.

Here is more info. on http://www.trufax.org/convers/conv1.html.. linked
also is conv#'s2-4.html

Part of #4:

Use of Orthogonal Scalars and Brain Entrainment

Dr.Z: I wish to explain something. The "woodpecker" transmitters are
three, operating now. One in Riga, Latvia. This transmits to Europe
and Amerika. The second, near Kamenogorsk. This transmits signal to
Asia. The third in very far away place, other side of CCCP, in
Siberia in Chikotskoye Nagorye. This transmits signal to Amerika, North
and South. These are all ELF with modulation information contained
inside radio waves. Go on. I wish to say that Kapitan Bearden is not
correct, because there are also Amerikanishe Teknicians in Soviet Union
working on secret installations with top Supreme Soviet Bureau
permission.2 Also, with KGB. Before, NKVD.

Dr.E: Thank you, Dr. Z. That is good information to know. Go ahead, Dr.
B. Okay, now we have Dr. Al Bielek talking about Einstein's
relativistic physics, but with Unified Field Theory concepts, per Blue
Book Grudge report disclosures. Notice how two orth ogonal (90=B0)
magnetic fields created by a Tesla conical coil create a third field due

to resonance. These mutually orthogonal pulsating fields are able to
rotate the space-time vectors so as to create changes in time flow.

Ok, now this is Dr. Nichols, the electronics wizard from the Montauk
Project. He is talking about relativistic physics in relation to the
creation of local distortions of the space-time continuum to create
hyperspacial or higher order electromagnetics. That antenna he talks
about is the famous Delta-T antenna. You can see it looks like two
pyramids connected at the base. Remember this configuration when we
talk about special Delta-T magnetic sensors (3). Most of the information

is discussed in detail in his book, The Montauk Project. Also, more
details are found in Chapter 7 of Matrix III by Val Valerian, a copy of
which is on the table with the rest of the reference books mentioned.
These books are all available in the U.S., but in English only. No
translations are available - not yet, anyway. Ok. Now we are going to
take a break and return for the formal presentation of this topic on all

its aspects. Lights, please, Dr. B? See you in about 15 minutes. Yes,
Dr. S?

Dr.S: Can we obtain copies of these videos in European format? I know
many people who would like to see these!

Dr.E: I will have to check that with Dr.D. I will let you know, Ok,
Dr.S? Now, let's take a coffee, no, a tea break!



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Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) AMAZING: Scientists take stand against Fluorid
Cc: zap@dnai.com

>
>Hi folks!
>
>Here's a reminder from history.--Candace
>
>From:          Dannie Wolf <dwolf@sirinet.net>
>Subject:       Re: (Fwd) AMAZING: Scientists take stand against Fluoridation
>Date:          Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:17:54 PDT
>
>Treason's Peace, by Senator Armbuster talked about this very issue!  
>The government has known for years including the AMA and the 
>Dental Association who finally went along with corporate America in 
>1947,  that it is a poison, but they (coporations) had to find a way to 
>make money on their waste product.  They sold tons of it to Russia to 
>use in the water for their political prisoners to drink.  It is a known fact 
>that it lowers the I.Q. of students and causes more cavities than helps. 
>Studies in Phoenix, AZ prove this.  In China they flourindated the water 
>for school children and used a control group of students who did not 
>use the flouride and those that didn't scored higher on I.Q. tests.  
>Another fact is that the NAZI's used it on their prisoners because it 
>makes individuals complacent, docile!   When the WWII was over 
>the Netherlands outlawed the use of Flourides in the water because 
>they knew why it was used on the population.  Just thought I would let 
>you know a few facts on this subject.
>
>Dannie 
>
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Howdy Y'all!

On: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:13:30 -0400
zeropoint <zap@dnai.com> (by way of "G.D.Mutch" <mutchg@topaz.cqu.edu.au>)
Wrote:

><---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
>From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com>
>Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) AMAZING: Scientists take stand against Fluorid
>Cc: zap@dnai.com

>>
>>Hi folks!
>>
>>Here's a reminder from history.--Candace
>>
>>From:          Dannie Wolf <dwolf@sirinet.net>
>>Subject:       Re: (Fwd) AMAZING: Scientists take stand against Fluoridation
>>Date:          Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:17:54 PDT
>>
>>Treason's Peace, by Senator Armbuster talked about this very issue!  
>>The government has known for years including the AMA and the 
>>Dental Association who finally went along with corporate America in 
>>1947,  that it is a poison, but they (corporations) had to find a way to 
>>make money on their waste product.  They sold tons of it to Russia to 
>>use in the water for their political prisoners to drink.  It is a known fact 
>>that it lowers the I.Q. of students and causes more cavities than helps. 
>>Studies in Phoenix, AZ prove this.  In China they fluoridated the water 
>>for school children and used a control group of students who did not 
>>use the fluoride and those that didn't scored higher on I.Q. tests.  
>>Another fact is that the NAZI's used it on their prisoners because it 
>>makes individuals complacent, docile!   When the WWII was over 
>>the Netherlands outlawed the use of Fluorides in the water because 
>>they knew why it was used on the population.  Just thought I would let 
>>you know a few facts on this subject.
>>
>>Dannie 

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A comment on the above.

Back in the 1960's, I read that Fluoride was a byproduct of the extraction of 
aluminum from bauxite. The government was on the aluminum companies' butts for 
contaminating the rivers and lakes with the stuff.

A think-tank got together and decided, if they couldn't get rid of it with their 
usual polluting methods, they would make the people pay to drink the stuff. They 
would make a profit on their waste, instead of paying to handle it. A huge 
Madison Avenue PR campaign was started with the help of the medical and drug 
monopoly.

A case was cited where, in some obscure town in Texas, there was an abnormal 
amount of "natural" fluoride in the water supply that coincided with reduced 
tooth decay in the local populace.

The aluminum industry's lobby, now backed up by the most powerful lobby in the 
nation, the medical lobby, started getting state lawmakers in their pockets. 
Fluoridation started to sweep the country.

I lived in Washington, D.C. when the fluoridation law was passed there. An 
interesting side effect in washington, was a huge increase in bottled water 
sales. The water suppliers couldn't keep up with the demand.

The very people who passed the fluoridation law was not going to drink the stuff 
themselves! They bought bottled water instead. You don't suppose they knew 
something, do you?

As far as it making individuals docile goes...I don't know about that! The 
fluoridation campaign almost exactly coincides with tremendous increases in 
violent crime and drugs in the US.

Fluoridation started in the middle 60's in D.C. It was not long after that, that 
gun ownership was banned there and it soon became known as "murder city USA". It 
held the record for the most violent crime level, especially homicide, in the 
entire nation! This was *after* personal gun ownership was banned!

That tells ya somthin don't it?!

Take care,

Oliver 




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> Trans Menu | Robertson UFO Lecture | Orion Tech | Bialek 1991 | Bialek
> 1992 | Cameron/Nichols | Time Energy Xfer | Conv on Mind Control
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  http://www.trufax.org/trans/cwr.html
>             Conversations With Researchers on Mind Control
> 
>                       December 1991, Introduction
> 
>                                 [Image]
> 
> The following is an extract from a taped interview with several
> researchers in the general area of mind control. It has never been
> published before. The interview, like many others that have been done,
> is done in an open question and answer format to protect the
> identities of the parties. The Orion Technology Report in Appendix 4
> contains supplementary information that relates to this report.
> 
> X: Let's move along to things that are psycho-active in nature and
> things that people should know about.
> 
> Y: We now have discussed the early Phoenix Project. In about 1969 they
> wrote the final report for Phoenix I. In that report it stated that
> "since we now have studied the electromagnetic effects on human
> beings, we believe it is now possible to influence the way people
> think with electromagnetics". Of course when Congress read the report,
> they hit the ceiling, saying essentially, "we don't want you doing
> this!" Congress was afraid that someone would use this technology to
> control them. They said, in effect, "no, don't do this". The people
> who wanted to continue this went to the military and said, in effect,
> "we can make you a nice little-weapon that will make the enemy lay
> down their arms." How many people believe that the military doesn't
> want this? The military then offered them the use of the old base at
> Montauk. Then came Phoenix II and the Montauk project. Let's review
> that. They had three steps in the project. The first step in the
> project was something I like to call the "microwave oven" step. They
> wanted to see what the output of the multi-gigawatt transmitter would
> have on human beings in front of it. They took a subject and sat them
> in where they could be focused on and threw the switch. Of course, the
> subjects were cooked. We don't know how many people they killed this
> way, but we do know there were a lot of them. Finally, someone got the
> idea, "hey, we don't want the burning rays, we want the non-hertzian
> rays". They turned the antenna around and they aimed the gain horn
> through the reflector at the target person. Now they were getting
> somewhere. They were able to direct mood control from a distance by
> ELF modulating the transmitter and changing the mood.
> 
> This was a great success. Someone then came to them from the US
> Government and told them that they would provide them with sensors
> that would pick up thoughts directly from a persons' mind. So, they
> brought the system of sensors and installed them in a chair. This is
> the famous Montauk chair.
> 
> What they did then is that they connected the output of the sensors to
> computers that would decode the sensors output into a digital code
> that represented the thought patterns. Those went to another computer
> which would store the thought patterns and to another computer which
> would generate the pulse modulations that went out the antenna. What
> they had actually built was a mind amplifier.
> 
> X: What would they do with this chair?
> 
> Y: They would take a subject, train him so that his conscious mind
> would be diverted to the "serpent in the Kundalini". The primitive
> mind would come up to the surface - they would blank that out and put
> in his primitive mind a concept that he would concentrate on. The
> concept would be picked by the sensors and transmitted out of the
> antenna. This was the second phase of Montauk. They were targeting
> whole populations and individuals. The subject could think of
> squelching electrical activity and all activity would stop where they
> focused the antenna.
> 
> X: What else where they able to do?
> 
> Y: They were able to change the way in which the animals in the area
> were moving. Once they programmed the animals to charge out of the
> woods into the town. They changed the way birds flew, fish swam and a
> dozen other things. They could take the crime statistics in Montauk
> and run it up and down like a yo-yo. They programmed crime waves for
> one period where they would occur,for four hours each night for a
> week. This drove the police crazy. There was one time, according to
> the Montauk police, when all the kids descended on the beach - all the
> kids in town. Two or three hours later, the kids all left the beach in
> mass unison. Another time, all the residents of the town decided to
> drive up to the state park. When asked, some of them said that it
> seemed like a "good thing to do".
> 
> X: So what they had developed was ...
> 
> Y: They developed wholly operational mind control. Based upon the
> effect that they had to cancel out the fields at the chair, which was
> located underground, they noticed that conceptual effects would happen
> out of synch with real time. They realized that they had the
> capability of bending time. At that point, conferences were held to
> discuss how they would modify the equipment to more effectively bend
> time. They developed something called a Delta-T antenna. It consisted
> of three loops describing a delta-function; it was referred to as the
> pyramid antenna. It essentially was three magnetic
> pickups/transmitters at right angles to each other; three orthogonal
> loops. Orthorotation is, of course, how you get access to hyperspace.
> It means you have tensor stress orthorotations. If you drive the three
> parts of the antenna correctly, you get what is essentially a
> space-time portal in the center. The antenna looks like a pyramid with
> an inverted pyramid on top.
> 
> X: Could you go into the operation of the chair a little more?
> 
> Y: yes. The output of the chair went into a Cray computer that would
> decode the digital representation of the thoughtform. That drove the
> IBM computer and the output from that went into the AIL computer...
> 
> X: AIL? Is that the Airborne Instrument Labs?
> 
> Y: Yes. The AIL computer generated the pulse modulation. It was a
> frequency-hopping signal source. It would change frequencies in a
> matter of nano-seconds. There were five synchro-dyne amplifier stages,
> cascaded. Each one had a separate pulse modulator. The final input was
> the amplitron, which had a big pulse modulator.
> 
> X: How did this thing work?
> 
> Y: They would take a portion of the thoughtform and put it into the
> first stage, and pulse the first stage on and load it into the second
> stage,etc. After the fifth stage it would go into the IPA's, be pulsed
> again and then into the amplitron, which would be pulsed and then the
> signal would go into the above ground antenna. Each time the signal
> would go from stage to stage, more complex information would be put
> into the thoughtform that was being cycled through. What does all this
> remind us of? The radiosonde. This is essentially a big radiosonde.
> 
> X: How did they figure the time aspect into all of this?
> 
> Y: They used the delta-t antenna, which was situated underground
> immediately under the christmas-tree antenna on top of the building.
> The chair was located underground between the delta-t antenna and the
> above-ground antenna. The delta-t generated time-stress tensors which
> were coupled with the electric field to generate the full time tensor
> control. It was great. They had a working time machine. They used
> twistor and spinor fields in order to form a portal. They could go
> anywhere in space-time, and they used it once to get access to the
> underground facilities on Mars.
> 
> X: To Mars? How did that work'?
> 
> Y: First, the subject projected himself psychically through space to
> Mars. They set the computers to solidify the vortex between Montauk
> and the point on Mars and the vortex would be established. They only
> needed to do it once, because they taped it and could then run the
> tape to establish the vortex. There was a project called Project
> Phobos, part of which was concerned with the investigation of the
> underground caverns. There were other project initiatives that had to
> do with a defense posture for the solar system. It was a directive of
> the people in command at Montauk to physically and psychically
> approach this defense mechanism, in order to find a way to turn the
> system off. It was done. If it were turned back on, the system would
> in effect become more "conscious" and able to reject outside
> intrusion.
> 
> X: I'm not sure I understand what you are really talking about with
> all this... does it have anything to do with the planetary grid?
> 
> Y: Yes, to a degree. There are planetary grid nodes on almost every
> military base. What we're talking about with the earth is putting the
> earth to sleep in order to prevent any geological changes of any great
> magnitude from occurring. We're pumping signals into the grid points,
> which you might compare to human chakras. It is mind control, in a
> way, that is also being done to the planetary mind of the earth.
> 
> X: What has happened since the Montauk project crashed in 1983?
> 
> Y: Well, after the Montauk project was discovered and ITT was taken
> apart, the government didn't leave it alone. They left ELF alone and
> they moved up to VLF through HF today. HF is 3-30MHz, MF is 300KHZ to
> 3Mhz and VLF is 3KHz to 300KHz. If you tune across these spectrums,
> you are going to hear all sorts of pulse modulated signals that sound
> like the old Montauk signals. You'll hear signals similar but not
> identical to the Soviet woodpecker signals; you'll hear video buzzes
> on these bands- they don't have synch or chromo references on them. On
> VLF, you can tune into 15.75KHz horizontal rate and you hear phase
> modulation. I have receiving equipment that has dispersive IF filters
> that convert phase modulation to amplitude modulation so I can hear
> it. All your TV networks the National Bureau of Standards (NBS)
> supplies free-of-charge the reference frequency to all TV stations.
> This is what they phase modulate. Does anyone believe the government
> gives anything away for nothing? I just discovered that this is part
> of the videodrome system. I have been tracking this for quite a while
> and wondered what it was. If you tune up to 31.4 KHz, which is twice
> the horizontal rate, and up to other multiples of the horizontal rate,
> you'll find other carriers which are similar to video but don't have
> the synch information accompanying them; they correlate to the
> horizontal rate and the phase modulation. In the Long Island area,
> these carriers are coming from the state parks. There are Tittle VLF
> transmitter sites in the state parks; they are all run from satellite.
> We had psychics check this out on their level and they came up with
> the information that this VLF was in effect a softening up procedure
> to make the public susceptible to other mind control experiments.
> 
> The "American Buzzsaw" is the US equivalent of the Russian woodpecker
> signal. This a psycho-active signal which is designed to interface
> with the mind of the human being by way of the mind-brain connection.
> The government has been quite active, designing systems that are
> carried by helicopter, systems that sit on the ground like the buzzsaw
> transmitters, etc. I first picked up the buzzsaw signal about 1990. I
> called the FCC and asked them if they knew what it was. They said it
> was the American version of the over-the-horizon radar. I said, "you
> mean like the Russian woodpecker signal?". They said 'yes". So they
> admitted that it had the same purpose. This signal is broadcasted on
> multiple carriers. The carriers hop from one frequency to another,
> anywhere in the range from 4MHz to 3OMHz. It is never on the ham band
> or the international broadcast band. It is only on the allocated
> frequencies that the government shares with other communication
> services. With the switching of these frequencies, they are creating
> what is known as a Levinson Transform, named after Norman Levinson,
> who generated the mathematics for frequency-time transformations. This
> is highly significant, since the human brain, body and mind work on
> time dependent pulsations and frequencies which are time encoded. You
> have this unusual pulse modulated signal hopping around from frequency
> to frequency to frequency. They have multiple transmitter. The signals
> only come in phase at a targeted site. This signal, we believe, has
> three modes. The first mode is the search-mode. This is where they
> transmit a signal and then a psychically sensitive human being picks
> up the signal and sends something back. They can in this way identify
> these people and where they are. The second mode is the general
> transmission of a psychic interrupt function which interrupts psychic
> activity. That's all it does. It has a tendency to lower the overall
> psychic awareness of the population. Maybe one out of three people
> respond to this signal. A good psychic can easily screen this mode out
> of their consciousness. The third mode is where they target an
> individual, and we have known six people who have been targeted. They
> can lock on to the resonance of the synthetic material in your
> clothing and target you from that. We have a clearing device which
> uses the equivalent of a white-noise magnetic field to break up the
> magnetic matrix in objects in order to clear any psychic signatures or
> stored solitons in the object.
> 
> We put this device on the clothing, and you could hear the timing of
> the buzz-saw changing. It got more and more distorted, and then
> disappeared for a while; it then came back in on the search mode. This
> is telling me that it is an interactive signal. Also, if I scan up and
> down the band, it will find my receiver and lock in on that receiver.
> They are looking for a changing dynamic function. This must be how
> they key in the search mode. As I tune the receiver from high to low,
> it is sending out a phase conjugate function that they are picking up.
> 
> X: How can an individual know if they are being controlled through the
> use of electronics?
> 
> Y: Well, if there was a process being impinged on a person that
> embodied a higher intelligence than the person had, at a higher power
> level than the person manifested, you could say that he was under
> control. There could be emotional or physical indication that
> something was "out of order ".
> 
> Typically, we all know when something is wrong. You have to be in
> touch with how you operate in a normal manner in order to distinguish
> when something abnormal is going on. You have to have a high order of
> awareness in order to recognize when an attempt is being made to
> violate your mind. Understanding how it works is probably your best
> defense against this, at this point. We have no shield, per se, no
> real way to jam it, but understanding does limit its effect by
> allowing you to "plug the holes" in your mentality. A technological
> device that would block it would have to go above the wave-order that
> embodies the human being. It would have to be a unified field type
> of.device in order to be above the orthogonal rotations in hyperspace
> that they are using to transmit the effect. If you can personally
> operate within those higher orders, in consciousness, you can control
> what is going on around you, barring the use of a technological
> device. Another aspect is that if you operate "outside of time" in
> consciousness, then time-dependent hyperspacial pulsed modulations
> would have little or no effect. The people that are perpetrating this
> stuff want you to be unaware - that's why they're sending out the
> buzz-saw signals. The awareness that it is going on is by all means a
> major step.
> 
> X: How about the use of subliminals in the environment?
> 
> Y: There are doors to different levels within the "subconscious' areas
> of the mind that are keyed in by the focus of attention and the
> integration of emotion. For instance, the third and forth level of the
> subconscious involves sexuality. Advertising and media focus on this
> subject should not be an area of focus. It is a "jumping off point" to
> get into the mind.
> 
> X: Are these "searching functions' directed toward specific areas, or
> do they cover the entire country... is there somewhere you could go to
> establish a safe reference point?
> 
> Y: Well, from the way I have heard it, there are at least five multi-
> megawatt transmitters propagating these buzz-saw signals. There are
> also many local transmitters all over the country. These large
> transmitters could probably reach anywhere in the world. The American
> buzz-saw signal is mostly hertzian, and I believe it is affecting the
> magnetic field relative to the person more than the psyche, so
> magnetic shielding modes should be a step in the right direction. If
> you live deep underground, you probably would not even pick the signal
> up.
> 
> X: How deep would that have to be?
> 
> Y: Probably a mile or so underground would be enough. If you lived in
> a ring of mountains, they might not find you. See, this is not a
> time-stress that they are playing with. They don't need special
> equipment to do this now.
> 
> X: What do you mean?
> 
> Y: They need no more than the UHF cellular telephone frequency, which
> is now being installed everywhere, to do it. The human cranium
> resonates within the frequencies covered by cellular telephone
> continuous wave transmissions. The cellular system nationwide is
> connected to a computer system in Boulder, Colorado. We are very
> suspicious about what other capabilities that system has, since it is
> pulse modulated. That is not a relativistic signal - it is a hertzian
> in-domain type signal and it affects the physical. We suspect that
> they may be using the cellular telephone receivers to pick up the
> return signal from the buzz-saw. We have heard buzz-saw like signals
> on the cellular telephone network that correspond in
> frequency-switch-timing in the same way that the buzz-saw signals do.
> There is a definite connection between cellular telephones and the
> buzz-saw signal. And this is "over-the horizon radar" that connects to
> cellular telephones? Come on, 'who's kidding who here.
> 
> X: How do the grid points interface with this technology?
> 
> Y: The grid vortex was initially used as an extension of the antenna
> structure. That's all it was used for - for the mind control part of
> Montauk.
> 
> X: What size grid nodes would you need for this. There are grid lines
> about every 1.5 feet.
> 
> Y: You have different kind of grid nodes. The Hartman lines .are every
> 1.5 feet. The military bases are built on the large nodes where the
> lines repeat about every 15 to 20 miles.
> 
> X: Other than this electromagnetic pulsing, what other technologies
> are you hearing about that may be in this category.
> 
> Y: Well, the so-called videodrome signals on television. There is so
> much going on that could be involved.
> 
> X: Would you amplify a little on what you said about the resonance of
> the human cranium?
> 
> Y: There is research that shows that the human cranium resonates at
> about 850MHz; this seems to vary from about 830MHz to 890MHz. The
> cellular system is designed to operate right in that range. The
> cellular system operates from about 840MHz to 890MHz. It is pulse
> amplitude modulated and pulsed angle modulated.
> 
> X: Angle. That would be phase.
> 
> Y: Right. You have regular analog modulation as well. When your
> portable cellular system is ON, it's in constant communication with
> the cell site. The set that you are carrying is telling the cell site
> where you are. When you get to the edge of the cell site it transfers
> you over to another cell site. They can also use this to track the
> people as well. Is that the only way to track?
> 
> Y: It is conceivable that they could track a person by the ringing
> within the cranial cavity. I do not know if they can do that yet. It
> is theoretically possible. Each persons cranium should "ring" with a
> different resonant signature.
> 
> X: What about the interface with this central computer for the
> cellular system. Could you go into more detail about that?
> 
> Y: The cellular system involves their use of a person they dubb a
> "roamer", which is a person who roams the country with a cellular
> transceiver. He has to be able to hand over from cell site to cell
> site as he travels. The only way a roamer can operate over the entire
> country is for the system to be tied into a central computer that
> keeps track of everything.
> 
> X: What about the so-called independent cellular companies?
> 
> Y: They are tied in. They have to be able to go on to long distance
> lines.
> 
> X: Do you think that these independent companies are also in bed with
> AT&T involved with mind control?
> 
> Y: Of course. They have to be. They are part of the network and they
> are all linked electronically.
> 
> X: Is this all controlled by the military?
> 
> Y: Sure. From what I understand, the master computer for the cellular
> system is in Boulder, Colorado. I don't think I have to tell you what
> else is in Boulder.
> 
> X: The center of the buzz-saw.
> 
> Y: Yes. That gives you the government connection. In fact, I believe
> that the central cellular computer is in the same building with the
> National Bureau of Standards.
> 
> X: Oh, my God. What more can you tell me about this videodrome signal?
> 
> Y: Well, about 6 cycles away from the signal is the harmonic of the
> power lines. I think that is your reference.
> 
> X: Is it pulse or phase modulated?
> 
> Y: It appears to be phase modulated.
> 
> X: Have you been able to de-modulate this videodrome signal?
> 
> Y: Yes. It's coming right over the television at people.
> 
> X: Most of the instrumentation in electronics is constructed to
> measure a charge couple to mass - the "real" component of the signal.
> How do you go about measuring the complex conjugate component of the
> signal which is psychoactive - the relativistic portion of the signal.
> 
> Y: That's not an easy task to do. The only way I know to measure such
> a signal is by measuring through the zero-point potential using an
> old-style regenerative receiver as a detector, because then you have
> the positron-electron pairs coupling through the vacuum and your
> relativistic functions will affect the coupling between the
> positron-electron pairs.
> 
> X: Is there a practical test that someone without access to a lot of
> instrumentation can use?
> 
> Y: Essentially, you can use any detector system. But all the detectors
> other than the regenerative type require a correlated hertzian
> function in order to pump the detector for it to detect the
> non-hertzian component or function. This is what makes a vacuum tube
> short wave receiver not fade the way others do. Its detecting the
> non-hertzian function, but not directly. If you move the hertzian part
> of the signal completely, your receiver just drops out to complete
> distortion because all you're getting is the delta pulses that come
> through the Dirac sea into the receiver. A regenerative detector can
> integrate those Dirac pulses into a usable function. If you had a
> white noise source pump a diode, you could hear the modulations in the
> white noise source. The problem is, how are you going to hear a delta
> pulse on the speaker in the audio amp? You have to somehow cross-feed
> the delta pulse to give you something that is usable.

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G.D.Mutch wrote:
> 
> > Trans Menu | Robertson UFO Lecture | Orion Tech | Bialek 1991 | Bialek
> > 1992 | Cameron/Nichols | Time Energy Xfer | Conv on Mind Control
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  http://www.trufax.org/trans/cwr.html
> >             Conversations With Researchers on Mind Control
> >
> >                       December 1991, Introduction
> >
> >                                 [Image]
> >
> > The following is an extract from a taped interview with several
> > researchers in the general area of mind control. It has never been
> > published before. The interview, like many others that have been done,
> > is done in an open question and answer format to protect the
> > identities of the parties. The Orion Technology Report in Appendix 4
> > contains supplementary information that relates to this report.
> >
> > X: Let's move along to things that are psycho-active in nature and
> > things that people should know about.
> >
> > Y: We now have discussed the early Phoenix Project. In about 1969 they
> > wrote the final report for Phoenix I. In that report it stated that
> > "since we now have studied the electromagnetic effects on human
> > beings, we believe it is now possible to influence the way people
> > think with electromagnetics". 

Just to inject a much needed does of reality here, we should keep in
mind that the information presented here is taken nearly verbatim from
Preston Nicoles books. (The Montauk Project, experiments in time, etc.)

If any fraction of Prestons's story is true, then by his own words,
Preston has been 'worked over' by experts, and can no longer be taken as
a reliable witness.

If you view his 'Montauk Tours' video tapes, you will see that Preston
describes conventional 220 volt power transformers as being
'multi-megawatt' power feeds, so his technical acumen is highly
questionable at best!

I do not mean to imply that Preston's story is a fabrication, clearly
the Montauk base is quite real, I've been there in fact.  My point is
that by according to Preston's own story, we cannot take hiw words at
face value.

There is a large portion of this story that simply does not match the
facts, especially where any descriptions of psychotronic technology are
concerned.

In matters of this importance, it is very important to know what is
fact, and what is fiction.  We must not accept fiction as fact if we
want to find truth.

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At 11:29 PM 21/07/97 -0700, you wrote:

[snip]
>  I told you before that Canadian has installed Over-The-Horizon radar
>just across the ocean/sound from us (we live on a high hill) last year
>and thats when this problem started.... adding to it, the big ships that
>go in and out of the sound (about 4 to 15 miles from us use high powered
>radar while in transit.)
>   I can't beat it, but, I can live with it.... The knownledge gives
>me more control and I can side-step it mentally most of the time.
>   Hope you can do the same.  I always enjoy your posts. So keep in
>touch
>if you ever need any support.      Denis
>

Yes thanks for the support Denis... I post a wide and varied response to
this HUM issues as we definitely need new input to shift the stereo typing
from the  deliberately railroaded Toashum list. Seems some on the list are
looking for their own piece of fame an ego flexing without opening their
minds to genuinely
helping others. Never to mind I'm sure these people mean well in any case...
I don't mind to any great degree. 

Nice to hear from you again Denis. Yes I'm having some most marvelous
experiences happening to me at the moment, caused by the T/H...
I now understand that the energy cause by the T/H can be used in the most
marvelous of ways every imaginable. May I suggest Denis that you learn how to
meditate as soon as possible. It is very very important to open your mind up
to other possible concepts within this vast universe of ours. This is truly
amazing. If I tell you what I have been experiencing would you promise to give
me the benefit of the doubt ? I'm still coming to terms with it myself.

CC. Taos List: in case others find this material/topic interesting.

very intrigued.
G.D.Mutch









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At 08:57 AM 22/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Barry Carter <bcarter@igc.apc.org>

[snip]
>>the word is a very important one.  being able to enforce at least a warm
> *** happy feeling inside oneself IS EXTREMELY important in dealing with the 
> kind of manipulations capable of being utilized against oneself
bio-telemetrically. > ***  
Again... THE Untilisation of TLC. IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. These Bio-systems
operate by amplification of your very own free will. In other words your
free will is amplified and played back to you, along with auto-suggestion to
help you use your free will the way they want.  

> It is a word that has to be understood before some of
>the orion file can be grasped.
>
>With Kindest Regards,
> 
>Barry Carter 
><bcarter@igc.apc.org>
>Blue Mountain Native Forest Alliance
>Voice 541-523-3357
>Fax   541-523-9438
> 
>At this very moment, lawless logging
>is destroying the ecosystems which provide
>the air we breathe and the water we drink.
> 
>Insanity is doing the same thing 
>and expecting different results.
>
>
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At 10:28 PM 22/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Denis

>Grant...
>   I know..... I have studied mediation, the oriental arts, buddism,
>Thebetian Book of the Dead, Bible,  and philosphy , etc..for many years.
>I have read 1,000s of books on this and other subjects. I felt as tho I
>had grown to a higher  spiritual level beyond most of those around me.
>Now it seem the hum has given me the old heaven and hell, ups and downs
>I had tried to level out for many years. Fighting forces that do not
>want enlightened, thinking, free beings to be in this country and the
>worse thing is not knowning whom I am fighting. It is not like the old
>universe when one could take a spiritual sword into ones hands and fight
>a known enemy. It is like fighting cowards who never show themselves and
>hide behind electronic fields. I feel like the last of the free
>men/man/spirit left in the universe and the powers ants are taking
>over.  Your right of course we must do the best with what we have..
>without causing destruction upon those who wish it for us. For when one
>gets high enough one knows that the powers they unleash upon others will
>return home and one must be willing to endure such pains in order to

That's it, that's what I'm trying to tell you... Its our own karma ... I,
mean these guys can hurt you to some small degree, but it is ourselves who
are doing most of discomfort to ourselves. They merely supply the energy to
do their intended deed, ie track people and read there bodily functions
(maybe their thoughts??), but it is ourselves who are doing most of the
discomfort to ourselves. What the do is amplify our own mind power,ie
whatever darkness/anger/frustration is all ready inside of us, will be
amplified, and universal law states you can't carry bad-will of others, or
harm others, without it coming back to yourself. You see it wouldn't work
for them either, else this ethereal-energy would be coming back to hurt
them. I'm going to tell you straight out -- "focus on TLC. the universal
female-energy of creativity or better known as 'love' energy." It won't stop
the HUM as that is man-made, but wonderful things will start to happen
around you. If you try to tell me this six months ago I would have laughed
at you. There is definitely something in this, because I'm having rapid
developments with 6th extra sensory range of the human brain. I won't go
into it until I'm sure I can repeat it fully. I'm having a little trouble
coming to terms with this myself, as I approach most things from a
scientific point of view first. I understand what is happening more and more.
There is some amazing possibilities with this. Remember, there is always
something good (however small ) that comes out of all evil. Tell as many as you
can to focus TLC inward and project those thoughts outward to all things.

Please allow me the benefit of the doubt for the moment, until I can come to
grips with what is happening. It may be figments of my imagination, but I
doubt it, as the results appear to be physical. I first thought it had
something to do with damage to ye old gray matter... Bewildered for the moment.

I will try to let you know the full extent of the developments over the next
six months or so... Don't expect anything marvelous, I don't know if I want
the whole world to know the exact details ?? 

>continue. But, one must endure that fight with the worst of dragons.
>In order to fight dragons one must become a dragon and I have always
>been a reluctant dragon.  For in the end I know that he who kills
>indians/dragons must some day become a indian.... and in the end all
>must become indians who chose that path.
> Thank you for your helpful input...know that it is always appreciated
>from your american friend........ Denis 
>                
>
>
>G.D.Mutch wrote:
>> 
>> At 11:29 PM 21/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> >  I told you before that Canadian has installed Over-The-Horizon radar
>> >just across the ocean/sound from us (we live on a high hill) last year
>> >and thats when this problem started.... adding to it, the big ships that
>> >go in and out of the sound (about 4 to 15 miles from us use high powered
>> >radar while in transit.)
>> >   I can't beat it, but, I can live with it.... The knownledge gives
>> >me more control and I can side-step it mentally most of the time.
>> >   Hope you can do the same.  I always enjoy your posts. So keep in
>> >touch
>> >if you ever need any support.      Denis
>> >
>> 

I'm not sure whether I should CC, to the list. I think I will. Hang any
credibility I have left with the list: I will send it to the list as others may
find this important for their own piece of mind.  I don't mind one way or
the other.

Denis, I hope you don't mind if I CC. the list.

regards  
G.D.Mutch
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G.D.Mutch wrote:
> 
> At 10:28 PM 22/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Hi Denis
> 
> >Grant...
> >   I know..... I have studied mediation, the oriental arts, buddism,
> >Thebetian Book of the Dead, Bible,  and philosphy , etc..for many years.
> >I have read 1,000s of books on this and other subjects. I felt as tho I
> >had grown to a higher  spiritual level beyond most of those around me.
> >Now it seem the hum has given me the old heaven and hell, ups and downs
> >I had tried to level out for many years. Fighting forces that do not
> >want enlightened, thinking, free beings to be in this country and the
> >worse thing is not knowning whom I am fighting. It is not like the old
> >universe when one could take a spiritual sword into ones hands and fight
> >a known enemy. It is like fighting cowards who never show themselves and
> >hide behind electronic fields. I feel like the last of the free
> >men/man/spirit left in the universe and the powers ants are taking
> >over.  Your right of course we must do the best with what we have..
> >without causing destruction upon those who wish it for us. For when one
> >gets high enough one knows that the powers they unleash upon others will
> >return home and one must be willing to endure such pains in order to
> 





> That's it, that's what I'm trying to tell you... Its our own karma ... 

Yes, and no Grant.... I have been very aware of Karma for many years (at
least 30 years) and I go out of my way to create good karma, as a
builder and creator in my every day life, not as a destroyer or
evildoer.
I go out of my way to avoid bad karma, even to the point of not stepping
on insects. I know if I fight bad karma with bad karma that there is a
price to pay.  But, you should also know it may not be our karma...
It may be someone creating new evil karma... this also happens and will
continue as long as there is free will.
 

 

I,
> mean these guys can hurt you to some small degree, but it is ourselves who
> are doing most of discomfort to ourselves. They merely supply the energy to
> do their intended deed, ie track people and read there bodily functions
> (maybe their thoughts??), but it is ourselves who are doing most of the
> discomfort to ourselves. What the do is amplify our own mind power,ie
> whatever darkness/anger/frustration is all ready inside of us, will be
> amplified, and universal law states you can't carry bad-will of others, or
> harm others, without it coming back to yourself. You see it wouldn't work
> for them either, else this ethereal-energy would be coming back to hurt
> them. I'm going to tell you straight out -- "focus on TLC. the universal
> female-energy of creativity or better known as 'love'

Your 100% right on this one Grant.... LOVE has always been the
answer.... I have know people who were total basket cases, they
had nothing.... but, one thing.... love.... and that is all  they
really needed...




 energy." It won't stop
> the HUM as that is man-made, but wonderful things will start to happen
> around you. If you try to tell me this six months ago I would have laughed
> at you. There is definitely something in this, because I'm having rapid
> developments with 6th extra sensory range of the human brain. I won't go
> into it until I'm sure I can repeat it fully. I'm having a little trouble
> coming to terms with this myself,


I wish you well on this and that you become a better mor spiritual
man from all this...


People in America all want peace of mind (but, most do not cultivate it)
they run around like mad children creating turmoil in each others lives.
They are also resentful of those who spend there lives cultivating
Peace of Mind........... I learned long ago you only need to cultivate
three thing in your life, PEACE - LOVE - WISDOM.... everything else is
secondary
    Be well until next time........     Denis 




 as I approach most things from a
> scientific point of view first. I understand what is happening more and more.
> There is some amazing possibilities with this. Remember, there is always
> something good (however small ) that comes out of all evil. Tell as many as you
> can to focus TLC inward and project those thoughts outward to all things.
> 

  I hope your right and that we are the canaries in the coal mine of 
the future of the world......

> Please allow me the benefit of the doubt for the moment, until I can come to
> grips with what is happening. It may be figments of my imagination, but I
> doubt it, as the results appear to be physical. I first thought it had
> something to do with damage to ye old gray matter... Bewildered for the moment.
> 
> I will try to let you know the full extent of the developments over the next
> six months or so... Don't expect anything marvelous, I don't know if I want
> the whole world to know the exact details ??
> 
> >continue. But, one must endure that fight with the worst of dragons.
> >In order to fight dragons one must become a dragon and I have always
> >been a reluctant dragon.  For in the end I know that he who kills
> >indians/dragons must some day become a indian.... and in the end all
> >must become indians who chose that path.
> > Thank you for your helpful input...know that it is always appreciated
> >from your american friend........ Denis
> >
> >
> >
> >G.D.Mutch wrote:
> >>
> >> At 11:29 PM 21/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >> >  I told you before that Canadian has installed Over-The-Horizon radar
> >> >just across the ocean/sound from us (we live on a high hill) last year
> >> >and thats when this problem started.... adding to it, the big ships that
> >> >go in and out of the sound (about 4 to 15 miles from us use high powered
> >> >radar while in transit.)
> >> >   I can't beat it, but, I can live with it.... The knownledge gives
> >> >me more control and I can side-step it mentally most of the time.
> >> >   Hope you can do the same.  I always enjoy your posts. So keep in
> >> >touch
> >> >if you ever need any support.      Denis
> >> >
> >>
> 
> I'm not sure whether I should CC, to the list. I think I will. Hang any
> credibility I have left with the list: I will send it to the list as others may
> find this important for their own piece of mind.  I don't mind one way or
> the other.
> 
> Denis, I hope you don't mind if I CC. the list.
> 
> regards
> G.D.Mutch
> ==== Email: mutchg@topaz.cqu.edu.au =======================================
> || There are people out there who really do give a damn, but not many.   ||
> || Most people are too bound to the material world.                      ||
> ===========================================================================
> NB. Please keep trying if you are having troubles with the above email address
> Say "NO" to legalising "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".

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At 10:00 PM 28/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Wrote you several days in a row.... Your server must be down
>               Tally-ho        Hope your OK    Denis

NO the server is not down... 

Yes Denis I never received one email... that's getting to be the usual
though. I feel a lot of my email goes into that great bit-bucket in cyber
space. ;)

Yes the hum generator is a mind amplifier. And as any amplifier does it can
only amplify the signal present. If your thoughts are bad your surrounds will
get bad. If your thoughts are good your surrounds will get better. 
Remember its just a thought(scalar) amplifier of some description. They send
autosuggestion via the television and advertisements, to make your mind-set
follow/maintain the current material world dominance prospective, or other evil
agenders, then the amplifier takes over and this scalar wave starts to
manifest in the physical somehow.

Spread this information far and wide...I truly feel this is vitally
important... The whole world can rise up over this if they use this energy
from a truthful and positive perspective. ie.lift up their
conscious/state-of-awareness to realise what is truly happening around them. 

This probably the last I will say on this subject. This is getting to
fringe/far out for even myself to handle. But it is factual, I can't deny
the physical actions that are happening: just by holding a positive outlook.

keep smiling. More TLC.
Grant

CC. Taoshum.
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NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".


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G.D.Mutch wrote:
> 
> At 10:00 PM 28/07/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Wrote you several days in a row.... Your server must be down
> >               Tally-ho        Hope your OK    Denis
> 
> NO the server is not down...
> 
> Yes Denis I never received one email... that's getting to be the usual
> though. I feel a lot of my email goes into that great bit-bucket in cyber
> space. ;)

   Yeaman I know the feeling....... 

> 
> Yes the hum generator is a mind amplifier. And as any amplifier does it can
> only amplify the signal present. If your thoughts are bad your surrounds will
> get bad. If your thoughts are good your surrounds will get better.

  So lets just keep our thoughts in netural.... 



> Remember its just a thought(scalar) amplifier of some description. They send

osuggestion via the television and advertisements, to make your mind-set
> follow/maintain the current material world dominance prospective, or other evil
> agenders, then the amplifier takes over and this scalar wave starts to
> manifest in the physical somehow.

  Your right on this one.... in the past tho I just trained my mind to
ignore its influence.  I some instances I would be express my will
by buying the competitors unadvertised products...


On the post of Karma.... There are lots of different kinds of karma
which I have studied and practiced. 
There is the kind of karma you create
There is the kind that is dumped on others by those more powerful
and higher up
There the kind that some with power take some of the karma
of other unto themselves and burn it off
The Mirror mediation (where one is in danger one creates millions
of mirrors in one spiritual being and this relects all karma and deeds,
sometimes back to their creator and sometimes just outward. This can
hamper good karma coming in to.
The advanced method of dealing with large evildoers and can only
be done by a master is to absorb over a long period of time all their
negetive karma that they dump.... Then in one milla-second burst
deliver it back to them when in there presence, there will be a delayed
reaction because of their spiritual size, and is inescapable, unless
delivered to the wrong individual then it may harm them but, not fully.
This will create the fall of even the most powerful figures you can
imagine.  

       In this day and age, having a neutral, peace mind is the best
and dealing with everything around as it reacts to you, not how you 
react to it.....        Denis      You be well and get peace          



 



> 
> Spread this information far and wide...I truly feel this is vitally
> important... The whole world can rise up over this if they use this energy
> from a truthful and positive perspective. ie.lift up their
> conscious/state-of-awareness to realise what is truly happening around them.
> 
> This probably the last I will say on this subject. This is getting to
> fringe/far out for even myself to handle. But it is factual, I can't deny
> the physical actions that are happening: just by holding a positive outlook.
> 
> keep smiling. More TLC.
> Grant
> 
> CC. Taoshum.
> =IIII== E-mail: mutchg@topaz.cqu.edu.au ===================================IIII=
>   II     _--_|\               *   G.D.&C.M.Mutch |-oo[ New-Age Pioneer ]oo- II
>   ||    /    |_\           *    * Rockhampton.   | Alternative : Energy,    ||
>   ||    \_.--._/               .  Queensland.    | Health, Wealth ,Personal ||
>   II  Great/ s@uthern/ land/  *   Australia.     | & Social Values Today.   II
> =IIII====================================================By=Ascii=Arts=====IIII=
> Current member of Amnesty International.
> Have the guts to stand UP and say "NO!" to the current use of Bio-telemetry.
> NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by Governments".

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     I have returned from Switzerland, where I did mountaineering in Berner 
     Oberland. The weather was generally not too good.
     
     As I lived in a tent, I did not dare bring expensive sound measuring 
     instruments. As the campsite turned into a mudpool because of the 
     rain, most equipment became wet and dirty, so it was probably good I 
     didnt bring the electronic instruments.
     
     I visited the Mrren village,where you reported hearing hum. The 
     village is high on the western mounainside of the wonderful 
     Lauterbrunnen valley... 
     
     I couldnt do measurements, but I found a nearby source of low 
     frequency noise, the Trmmelbach.
     
     The Trmmelbach waterfalls generate enormous soundpressure at low 
     frequency (10-20 Hz apparently). My clothes were fluttering back and 
     forth at 10-20 Hz near the waterfalls...
     The bedrock was vibrating. Seismic waves were generated by the 
     waterfall.
     
     They are across the valley from Mrren. Anybody sensitive to 
     infrasound should be able to sense the waterfalls for quite a distance 
     and certainly across the narrow valley...
     
     Regards, 
     
     Anders

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     Off topic for Taos Hum, so I perhaps I shouldt comment at all..
    =20
     I think fluorination of drinking water supplies is an insanity.
    =20
     I have used sodiumfluoride (as used for fluorination) for chemical =

     purposes and always treated it as a poison.
    =20
     I have heard of statistics for decades indicating increased birth=20
     defects when mothers drank fluorinated water.
    =20
     Fluor is OK in toothpaste, as long as it isnt swallowed. Maybe one =

     shouldnt use fluorinated toothpaste for small children...
    =20
     I dont think fluor is effective for psychologically influencing a=20
     population, and as far as I am aware, the Nazis didnt use fluorinat=
ed=20
     water.=20
    =20
     I am living in Europe, and I am not aware of any fluorinated water =

     here, though I know a dentist who think fluorination of water is wo=
rth=20
     considering.
    =20
     The concern about drinking water here is mainly about the increasin=
g=20
     number of herbicides and pesticides and chlorocarbones that are fou=
nd=20
     in the drinking water. Occasionally it is suggested that one should =

     give up on public drinking water supplies, and totally rely on bott=
led=20
     water for cooking and drinking. Alternatively a waterpurification=20
     plant should be installed in each kitchen to convert tap water to=20
     domestic water.
    =20
     But some people here think that treating the drinking water=20
     homeopatically might be useful. Subtle energies, not known to=20
     conventional science, apparently can be absorbed into the water, an=
d=20
     might be useful to a power elite for some kind of control over the =

     population. This is vaguely similar to the ideas being aired here=20
     about some kind of secret electromagnetic mindcontrol being used by=
 a=20
     power elite against the population. It seems that such technologies =

     are possible, though the understanding of such technologies is stil=
l=20
     beyond the horizon of conventional science.
    =20
     Anders
    =20

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    =20
     Professor Sternglass has done many statistical analysises of the=20
     relation between drinking water and health. His conclusion is that =
the=20
     pollution factor which is statistically most closely related to=20
     illness in the US is not fluor, but strontium-90, which rains down =
in=20
     tiny amounts as nuclear fallout, originating from old nuclear tests=
,=20
     from Chernobyl, and unexpectedly from the nuclear industry.
    =20
     The poisonous effect of tiny amounts of strontium-90 is largely=20
     ignored, and many scientists would deny that Sr-90 pollution is=20
     significant in the US...
    =20
     Miniscule amounts of Sr-90 in the drinking water has many detriment=
al=20
     effects. For example it seems to decrease the intelligence of=20
     children, and make them perform poorly in school, with lower grades=
.=20
     One could speculate that it might also promote criminality and drug=20
     use...
    =20
     Sternglass is worth studying..
    =20
     Anders
      =20

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     A CD recording specialist visited me to show me a Denon CD player 
     which I might buy secondhand.
     
     I casually played the BIS Sibelius Lady in the Tower record as the 
     first CD to test the player. I didnt say anything about hum, and I 
     didnt say there was anything special about the CD.
     
     He soon complained about a hum, and began experimenting with my HiFi 
     equipment to find the fault.
     
     He soon discovered that the hum came from the CD, not from the 
     equipment. That the hum was 50 Hz mains hum, and that the hum only 
     occured between the pieces of music on the CD. The CD was subdivided 
     into maybe 4 pieces of music. The hum occured only between the four 
     pieces of music. When the music of one piece died down to let the next 
     piece of music follow, a hum was blended in for a few seconds.
     
     The hum was only present for maybe 10 seconds around each switching 
     from one piece of music to the next. The hum actually disappeared 
     totally within a few seconds from the start of each new piece, it 
     didnt become unnoticed because of masking. He thought that the 
     recording of the music had been faultless, but that some kind of mixer 
     had been used to put the four recordings onto the CD, and that the 
     mixer had been faulty. He had seen that a few times before.
     
     I had previously concentrated on the music pieces, and not payed 
     attention to the few seconds between the pieces, so I hadnt noticed 
     this hum before the recording specialist directed my attention to it.
     
     The apology for hum, which the BIS recording company has printed on 
     the CD cover, probably refers to these few seconds of 50 Hz mains hum 
     between music pieces, and not to any hum noticable during the music.
     
     Still, if you send the music through a filter or equalizer to dampen 
     higher frequencies, you can hear a low frequency hum like a diesel 
     engine during the music. This is the hum which I noticed while 
     listening to the record, and which may be Taos type hum.
      
     The recording specialist had another recording from BIS somewhere in 
     his collection of CDs  where hum was noticable during the music 
     itself, not just between pieces. I didnt go into that, as I got the 
     impression that it was 50 Hz mains hum, not Taos type hum.
     
     Regards, Anders
     

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Hi Anders - re your message about the 50 Hz hum in between tracks on your
Sibelius' "Lady In The Tower" CD, what I'm going to say next won't take me in
much over 1 mile underwater but, what the heck, if I'm going to make myself
sound ignorant, I might as well do a good job of it - right? (No sense doing
things half-way!)

For some reason - and I don't know why - I think I recall from among the
zillions of technical-type documents I've read over the years that in the UK and
Europe, the local power generating systems put out 230V/50Hz current as opposed
to our (USA) 120V/60Hz stuff

So, I'm wondering if the either the original recording and/or subsequent
production of the CD was done in the UK or Europe (or wherever else they use
50Hz current) and that, because of undetected equipment failure somewhere in the
recording/reproduction process, the hum didn't get filtered out? 

I really (obviously) don't know for sure but, for some reason (as I mentioned
earlier) this kinda popped into one of my two otherwise unoccupied brain cells
as I read your message and I simply offer the above for consideration.

Best regards,

Robert, just "humming" right along ...

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     >So, I'm wondering if the either the original recording 
     >and/or subsequent production of the CD was done in the UK or 
     >Europe (or wherever else they use 50Hz current) and that, because 
     >of undetected equipment failure somewhere in the 
     >recording/reproduction process, an unfiltered 50 Hz hum snuck 
     >into either the recording equipment or, subsequently, into 
     >the reproduction equipment? 
     
     The recording was done in Gothenburg in Sweden. I believe that the CD 
     publishing company (BIS) is Swedish, and the reproduction has probably 
     been done in Sweden. In most of Europe (including Sweden) the mains 
     supply is 50 Hz and between 220V and 240 V. 
     
     The mains hum was introduced during reproduction (printing of CDs), 
     not during recording. One can imagine that a thoughtless engineer used 
     a mixer with several inputs, and that one of the inputs collected hum 
     from somewhere. 
     
     Anders
     
     
     
     
     

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At 10:17 PM 12/08/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hope there are no duplications in what you get; that is, I hope
>you are not getting things you got before you signed off.
>Attachment Converted: D:\DOWNLOAD\B-2.DOC
>

NO I don't think I have read any duplicates so far. I feel I may have to
clear up
some points within the B-2.DOC and LaViollete's comments. It's widely know
that when
important critical information has leaked out; there is an immediate release
of disinformation to scramble the facts and leave the public in four+ frames
of mind.
This causes different fractions/camps to be set up, and people get behind
the information they first come into contact with, believing that the
information they have is valid and foremost in weight. I too have fell into
this trap on more than one occasion...no doubt I will fall a few times
more...that's life. Its sometimes difficult to break away from your
currently held belief or heart felt truths. Its further made difficult when
you have to break away and except something that you feel may be true, and
find that very few people are believing/following the same. This is why
there will never be any progress forward until every one can agree on a
standard of rules or terminology. While every one is fighting and arguing
their facts/fallacy/theories you will never get unification which then
brings action; which then produces the final product... simple,
communication is all that is lacking. The world would be fantastic if we
could just over come our own fear an/or egoism and communicate fully without
prejudiced of any shape or kind. Even the poorest man or biggest idiot has
got one good idea to share, or can come up with a solution that no one else
has tried.

Each an every single person is worthy of god like recognition in this world,
because each an every single person is a tiny spark that came from the
universal creative force. We merely cultivate that spark over many lives
through spiritual development. We turn that spark into a fully loving
(highly vibrational) benevolent force that can unite and join in the marvels
of the cosmos. Or we can condemn it to eternal damnation through acts of
violence or through forcing other people into acts of violence or hatred on
our behalf. Those behind the use of psychotronic weaponry used on other
people, are finding themselves thundering down dark dark crevasse, and are
depleting their creative life/light force at an alarming rate. They are
dropping there soul resonance/vibration to where it is aligning with the
darkness frequency. Pray heavy for the people behind the use of
psychotronics, because they have a small army of mind-controlled slave
operators that are programmed to do nothing but monitor other poor souls and
torment them with psychotronics weapons day and night. Pray for the enslaved
operators, for they are being forced to give up their light force to a lower
resonance, which is not by their own choosing. Pray heavy also for their
psychotronic victims who constantly need their light energy vibration lifted
back up, because the frequencies of the weapons used slow down there etheric
vibration and disassociate the soul which allow dark/negative slower
vibration energies to proliferate.

If you know of any person who is undergoing psychotronic conditioning tell
them to focus heavy on universal female creative energy: better know as LOVE
energy. Tell them to focus on LOVE and LIGHT day and night: to lift up their
Light/Love energies up to where the darkness/negative energies cannot get
any use from them. Tell them not to fall into the TRAP of "aggression,
aggressive thoughts, hatred or fear" --***this is vital an most paramountly
important***. Aggression, Fear and Hatred depletes or lowers your light
force vibration allowing only darkness/negative to prevail, which eventually
causes destruction not only on the physical level, but on up to through
etheric/spiritual levels as well. FEAR NOT!, the Creator has a special place
put aside for these dark souls who refuse to learn and grow. If you can hold
the smallest of love and light in your heart then you are not a dark soul,
so you will have nothing to fear. Think POSITIVE at all times: spread LOVE
and LIGHT where ever you go --"for this energy/resonant frequency is VERY
contagious and will spread like wild-fire healing every thing in its path." ;)


Back onto a cheerful more brighter note:
If I get time, I'll try to knock up some graphics at a later stage to
explain how simply these vacuum-thrust aircraft operate. Some of you have
probably read about these type of aircraft some where already, but may be in
disbelief because of there simple operation ?

I'm no geniuses, I'm on the path of knowledge like every one else, so please
don't expect any sudden miracles...;)

regards
G.D.Mutch

"As soon as you stop learning you start dying."




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To All.....
  Everyone welcome to the New Rome
  Pretty much the same as the Old Rome
  Sorry, the lions will not be needed this time
  The crosses are being prepared for many
  You will be able to experience your electronic crucifixtion
  Tho, the sufferers and their loved ones them will never see the 
  internal process

                                                    DCJ

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	I am speaking as Sylvester.

	That frequency or others have been "on" for a long time.  I 
first sensed something like that was happening during the late 80's.  
The effect is a certain level of anxiety.  It fosters the kind of 
Thinking we see in the pseudo-paranoid constructions of the 
militia-men.  It has resulted in the bombing and in the ability of 
congress to take away so many more rights and in the "inching up" on 
our freedoms and liberties. 
	The failure to hear continually about the "peace dividend" the 
disappearance of trillions of dollars in taxes, the refusal to make 
peace with the Russians and to get away with it, these are all the 
result of a basic tonus of emotion, of anxiety which seeks endlessly 
to be rationalized and which cannot be rationalized, since there is no 
way the percipient can weave a coherent story to deal with the 
perception of the affect.
	During the sixties, I first thought about this method of 
influencing the persona or allowing the persona to influence machines; 
that was during my sabbatical from murder attempts, while in the Long 
Binh Installation Stockade.  
	I have not been able to figure out how to approach the 
government in an effectual manner.  
	For sure, one must make love, not bitchinesses.  Certain drugs 
exempt one from the affect, which works by being a continuum in which 
one lives over time.  Being of constant poise, not following the 
social dictum that you be MADE to have feeling every time someone says 
or does this or that, every time some maudlin piece of crap passes 
over the television or radio or someone's lips, such constant poise 
and presence reduces the number of empty transitions which would be 
the points at which one is ratcheted into a stupor by the Nasties who 
are so happy to find a way to "click" their papier mache testicles - 
since Ho Chi Minh (Chinese for the Bringer of Light) died peacefully 
in his bed, assured of victory he had said he could achieve over the 
USA in five years, during a speech before his politboro in 1947, way 
back then.   The Vietnamese hurt us real bad, the the way that would 
be the manner by which God would "break the pride of [our] power,] so 
He "spake" to Israel in prophesying these latter days.
	There is hardly time or social freedom of action to do more 
than to "cover one's own butt."   We are just pieces of meat in 
motion.   
	Actually, I am not sure of whom would be doing this, but it is 
likely it is Uncle Sap.   Nor am I sure of the intent  or purpose of 
the device, but I am aware of the global affect.  
	Learn the preorgastic state.  Get real happy from the pit of 
one's own belly throughout one's own meat.  You gotta do that, and be 
patient.  Also, use every opportunity to do some anonymous good, 
something you can do for the race or the group or another; and you 
must DO it, so that you tell an unassailable story with your life 
force.   Coulda, woulda, shoulda       is the MUSAK OF HELL.

	Some things cannot be said straight out until the 
prerequisites or groundwork is lain.  The fact that the tri-corder is 
only just now being patented shows we are way too slow to build up, as 
a collective, the basis for the comprehension of such ploys.  These 
ploys are the result of "recipes" diagrams and blueprints being in the 
hands of total jerks. 

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This isn't a Rife topic but it should be of interest to all.

Harvey


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Subject:       HIGH ALERT!

Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention.  This is the first time Hans has
ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions.  If
anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me.

Jason


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From: "godard j. p." <arkel@telusplanet.net
Subject: HIGH ALERT!

This is to everyone.
I just received a special storage analyzing oscilloscope.
Using my "UFO" sensing equipment, I have found that there is a
frequency being broadcast, probably world-wide, if my fears are
correct. The frequency is sitting extremely stable at 14.28571429
Kilo-Hertz. It has a persistent modulated wave-shape. The relative
wave-form does not change much, although the whole pattern throbs
slightly. This is within the higher range of human hearing. Being on
continuously, it would cause a counter-reaction in the brain.(amongst
other thing) I suspect that people do not even realize that it is
there. It may have been present for any length of time. What its
purpose is, bothers me.  I fear it may be deadening some otherwise
normal function. Perhaps it could be a wave which acts as a carrier to
monitor thoughts or speech. Perhaps it is used as a way to feed
instructions, or affect moods. There just has to be another factor
which allows the operator(s) to zero in on a particular location or
person.

It could cause premature aging, or any number of illnesses.
It could cause paralysis.

I would ask anyone at all, I don't care who or what, to check in their
area to see if indeed this frequency is present there. I would ask
Jason to please put this in print. The more people that hear about
this, the safer it will be. -Or it could trigger the end. Who the hell
knows. Check this out and see for yourself.

Sorry if this is garbage to you, but I've been aware for a long time
and in different locations of some frequency being prevalent. It is
just now that I have finally achieved a break-through, thanks to the
combination of my old detector and this scope.

Hans


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Scuse me, folks, but the original post below is a classic example of
garbage on the internet!  "Hans" probably works for somebody in the
cryptocracy that didn't bother to inform him adequately about the subject,
because they didn't have a clue either!  This is getting old.  My comments
in [brackets] below.  My background: ham radio since 1960.  



At 10:08 AM 8/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>This isn't a Rife topic but it should be of interest to all.
>
>Harvey
>
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>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:45:25 -0700
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>
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>Subject:       HIGH ALERT!
>
>Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention.  This is the first time Hans has
>ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions.  If
>anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me.
>
>Jason
>
>
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>Date: 	Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:15:16 -0600
>From: "godard j. p." <arkel@telusplanet.net
>Subject: HIGH ALERT!
>
>This is to everyone.
>I just received a special storage analyzing oscilloscope.


[What is the make & model of this scope?  Oh, I see it's "special."  How
did you receive it?  Did you buy it new?  What did it cost, and what
distributor stocks it?  Or is it on loan from your controller?  What
unusual capabilities does this special scope have?]


>Using my "UFO" sensing equipment,


[WHAT "UFO" sensing equipment?]


>I have found that there is a frequency being broadcast, probably
world-wide, if my fears are correct. 


[FEAR is this guy's JOB, apparently.]


>The frequency is sitting extremely stable at 14.28571429 Kilo-Hertz. 


[NOTE:  There is NO WAY to get 10-digit precision on a 14 kHz signal with
any commercial frequency counter that I'm aware of.  Besides, it would take
DAYS to compute the frequency with that bogus resolution.  The guy's NUTS!]


>It has a persistent modulated wave-shape.


[WHAT is the waveshape, sine, square, triangle, pulse, WHAT?  Persistent?
What does THAT mean?  MODULATED HOW?  Amplitude?  What percent at what
frequency?  It's not FM, or his 10 digits would bounce all around!  My
opinion is this guy is on bad hallucinogens.]


>The relative wave-form does not change much, although the whole pattern
throbs
>slightly. 


[Like his brain on drugs.]


>This is within the higher range of human hearing. Being on
>continuously, it would cause a counter-reaction in the brain.(amongst
>other thing) I suspect that people do not even realize that it is
>there. It may have been present for any length of time. What its
>purpose is, bothers me.  I fear it may be deadening some otherwise
>normal function. Perhaps it could be a wave which acts as a carrier to
>monitor thoughts or speech. Perhaps it is used as a way to feed
>instructions, or affect moods. There just has to be another factor
>which allows the operator(s) to zero in on a particular location or
>person.
>


[WAIT!  It's either ACOUSTIC (sound) ot it's EM (electromagnetic), NOT
BOTH!  Maybe he should go to school again.]


>It could cause premature aging, or any number of illnesses.
>It could cause paralysis.
>
>I would ask anyone at all, I don't care who or what, to check in their
>area to see if indeed this frequency is present there. 


[The only way to detect EM signals in this range is with a gigantic
shielded-loop antenna, and a collection of lab-grade active filters and
extremely low-noise preamplifiers ahead of his "magik" scope!  If he's
actually detecting a signal, let him describe his setup so we can check it
ourselves!   What field-strength signal are we looking for here?]


>I would ask Jason to please put this in print. The more people that hear
about
>this, the safer it will be. -Or it could trigger the end. Who the hell
>knows. Check this out and see for yourself.
>
>Sorry if this is garbage to you, but I've been aware for a long time
>and in different locations of some frequency being prevalent. It is
>just now that I have finally achieved a break-through, thanks to the
>combination of my old detector and this scope.
>
>Hans
>
>


[Garbage so far as I can tell.  Hans appears to be either profoundly
emotionally disturbed, or else duped by someone with an agenda of spreading
fear of the unknown.  Comments WELCOME!  Let's STOP this bulls**t before it
spreads!

Steve Beatty  N0CRE  Minneapolis  

"Ma Bell has us by the CALLS"



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At 10:08 24/08/97 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>This isn't a Rife topic but it should be of interest to all.
>
>Harvey

>------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>Date:          Mon, 18 Aug 97 08:28:08 PDT
>To:            skywatch@wic.net
>From:          Jason Dunlap <jason@iptcorp.com
>Subject:       HIGH ALERT!
>
>Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention.  This is the first time Hans has
>ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions.  If
>anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me.
>
>Jason

>This is to everyone.
>I just received a special storage analyzing oscilloscope.
>Using my "UFO" sensing equipment, I have found that there is a
>frequency being broadcast, probably world-wide, if my fears are
>correct. The frequency is sitting extremely stable at 14.28571429
>Kilo-Hertz. It has a persistent modulated wave-shape. 
>

I find myself puzzled by the frequency quoted in the above message.
It would seem to me that the measurement of a frequency to better than one
hundred thousandth of 1 hertz is highly unlikely. As for a frequency
stability of 0.00001Hz - the mind boggles!

I should certainly like to see more details of the "UFO" sensing equipment
and the setup used for the storage oscilloscope. A GIF image from the 'scope
would be most instructive also.

Regards
Ron Hill. 

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Steve Beatty - N0CRE wrote:

<snip>
 
> [The only way to detect EM signals in this range is with a gigantic
> shielded-loop antenna, and a collection of lab-grade active filters and
> extremely low-noise preamplifiers ahead of his "magik" scope!  If he's
> actually detecting a signal, let him describe his setup so we can check it
> ourselves!   What field-strength signal are we looking for here?]

I must disagree.  Try a web search on "Natural Radio".

A great deal of work has been done in this refquency range with very
modest E field receivers, and very SHORT antennae.
 
Large loops are not mandatory.

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While I agree this guy's rambling could be pure paranoid nonsense, and he
doesn't qualify any of his statements with anything tangible, some of your
statements do little better. As a self proclaimed radio mister-know-it-all
you seem quite arrogant about some things you plainly know nothing about.
One could easily ask "you" who's disinfo campaign you are working for.

At 10:43 PM 8/23/97 -0500, Steve Beatty  -  N0CRE wrote:
>[WAIT!  It's either ACOUSTIC (sound) ot it's EM (electromagnetic), NOT
>BOTH!  Maybe he should go to school again.]

Maybe you should have skipped class occasionally. 
See these reports:

A.H. Frey, "Human Auditory System Response to Modulated Electromagnetic
Energy", J. Appl. Physiol., 17, 689, 1962.

R.C. Sommer, and H.E. Von Gierke, "Hearing Sensations in Electric Fields",
Aerosp. Med., 35, 834, 1964.

C.K. Chou, R. Galambos, and R.H. Lovely, "Coclear, Microphonics Generated by
Microwave Pulses", J. Microwave Power, 10, 361, 1975.

C.K. Chou, and A.W. Guy, "Auditory perception of Radiofrequency
Electromagnetic Fields", J. Acoust. Soc. Am., 71, 1321, 1982.

S. Muller, and M. Hotz, "Human Brainstem Auditory Evoked Potentials", Mag
Res. in Med., 16, 476, 1990.

These are just a few examples.

<snip>
 
>> [The only way to detect EM signals in this range is with a gigantic
>> shielded-loop antenna, and a collection of lab-grade active filters and
>> extremely low-noise preamplifiers ahead of his "magik" scope!  If he's
>> actually detecting a signal, let him describe his setup so we can check it
>> ourselves!   What field-strength signal are we looking for here?]

>I must disagree.  Try a web search on "Natural Radio".

>A great deal of work has been done in this refquency range with very
>modest E field receivers, and very SHORT antennae.
 
>Large loops are not mandatory.

In agreement with Bob. Any audio amplifier (e.g., "Boombox"), and a pair of
ground rods will suffice for "detection" of frequencies within the audio
range of the amp. 14 Kc certainly falls into this range. It's easy with this
simple arrangement to receive the Coast Guard's OMEGA Navagation signals.
OMEGA signals are phase-synchronized and are transmitted on a time-shared
basis. The stations transmit four common frequencies (10.2, 11.05, 11-1/3
and 13.6 kHz) and one frequency unique to each station. The coast guard
intends to terminate its involvement in the Worldwide Omega Radionavigation
System on September 30, 1997 (all users are expected to convert to GPS), so
we won't be hearing these signals shortly.



===================================================
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Director - Borderland Sciences Research Foundation   
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[snip]

I will show you how simple it is to test for what I believe is/are scalar waves.
Most people have seen this post already. I feel the important factor is the
glass top table. It may be the glass and steel combination that is the
critical key ???


                ============= 
                =============  Glass Jam Jar  
                |     |     |      
                |     |     |                      
                |     |     |         
                |   |\\\|   |   Ordinary High-tensile Spring,
                |           |   suspended in middle by a cotton thread.
|           | 
                -------------                      Glass Table Top
 ======================================================================
 ======================================================================
  |   |            3ply Wood Bedding           900 mm x 1800mm  |   | 
  |   |                                                         |   | 
  |   |                                                         |   | 
  |   |                                                         |   | 
  |   | 50mmx 50mm welded Steel frame.                          |   | 

     
The spring in the bottle is on a 900 x 1800 x 6mm glass top table with the
same size
3ply bedding under the glass. 

The spring will oscillate at 1.5hz, it has never stopped oscillating. The
oscillation  varies in magnitude with the scalar signal. I have not tested
this again for about 12 months. The swing of the spring in the jar changes
from east-west to north south at various times of the day/night, but it
aways lines up with a set direction an NEVER oscillates in a circular
pattern. I will set up this experiment again an try to 
get some compass readings. 


Does any one recognise the numbers below at all ??? I'm just having a play
with the numbers, to see what comes out. 
                

Brain State harmonics          Scalar Harmonics  ?? 
0.03571 = 28.0  Beta.           0.0333  = 30.03
0.0714  = 14.0  Alpha.  <--     0.O666  = 15.015       <-- Fundamental ?
0.1428  = 7.0   Delta.          0.1332  = 7.50
0.2857  = 3.5   Theta.          0.2664  = 3.75
0.5714  = 1.75   ???            0.5328  = 1.87



Did anybody else try the above Jam Jar experiment ???
I'd be interested to know the results.

Thanks
G.D.Mutch

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>
>  
>From: Tim Walrath <warpath@wtp.net>
>Subject: Re: 001 Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>
>This sounds like "woodpecker" to me.According to Bearden and others, the
>Ruskies have been sending this sublimanal signal for about 45 years.Of
>course, I am not belittling the Russian people as they are just like
>us-under unwanted management. It is postulated that it is a carrier wave for
>detrimental health effects.Using certain scalar technologies, disease and
>even death can be induced.It is my private opinion that we have been at war
>for years and no one in the public even knows it.And yes, the wave can be
>blocked using a scalar counter wave.The good news is that this technology
>can be used to repair damaged cells and even induce knowledge instantly by
>implanting directly into the atomic makeup of the body-jola! no more
>schools-no more unemployment-no more sickness.Now if only the "bad guys "
>would get out of the way and let the natural LOVE in humans take it's
>course, this old world might have a chance.It is important that anyone
>feeling depressed or ill or even violently urged focus on the LOVE that is
>in them or a friend or even through spiritual meditations.This won't stop
>the signal but it will help them develop natural defenses.May GOD help us
>all.At 10:03 AM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>see:    http://www.dnai.com/~zap/alert.htm for files clarifying the 
>>function of this pulse or signal in terms of special communications by 
>>USAF. Also other military situations and concerns.   a word search on 
>>elgrupo.doc/rft/txt/mcw, also available at .../~zap/elgrupo.xxx will 
>>allow one to find out what is going on in terms of both alien 
>>invasion...   the tone is possibly to fend off a massive attack....   
>>the tone is a carrier for special communications ongoing. The ongoing 
>>communications can be among military also between the miklitary  
>>(a secret government commanding this technology circumventing what is 
>>normally called government) to manipulate and to shepherd the human 
>>race as it pleases by means of insertions to the carrier signal.   
>>
>>(Personally, I see in this the explanations for a certain tone I hear 
>>several times a year.  One of such a high frequency that it could be 
>>the one below. Lately, I have heard deeper, richer more full-bodied 
>>tones.   They last until I forget about them.   There is nothing I 
>>have ever been done to stop hearing these tones.  It has been going
>>on for decades.   I have never heard any fluctuations nor "content" 
>>to these tones; only a very thin high high high pitched tone at the 
>>edge of hearing, my hearing. Several times in the past  two or so 
>>years a lower deeper richer tone, a constant tone.  I have been paying 
>>attention to my hearing since age 17, am 52.  I devised a simple way 
>>of testing my hearng acuity so as to be aware of any changes as I grew 
>>older,  Typical Sylvester stuff.  I don't har voices except in the two 
>>situations related to war.  I can remember 
>>all the events of "thoughts" which were NOT mine.  I recognize the
>>thoughts which are "good" and those which are malignant.)   
>>
>>I am aware of there being among the population at large, a very 
>>high anxiety level which is apart from any thing traceable to any
>>particular phenomenon.  Very many people do attribute this to the
>>police.  Many are very afraid of being pulled over and beaten by
>>a policeman who is having a bad hair day.   I see this kind of thing
>>as an attempt to tell a story that accounts for the omnipresent and
>>pervading stress.  During the eighties, I sensed this in huge waves
>>and was always tempted to think of being caught in a hail of bullets
>>from Negroes, among whom I do not live, but I did bring into the
>>country, by indirect machinations, 200,000 of them, and this was
>>something I tried to use to explain, in a laborious way, through
>>guilt, as why I had chills up and down my spine when walking outdoors
>>in peaceful Berkeley.   Well, sort of peaceful.  Berkeley, it was 
>>found has a slush fund of 5 - 7 millions for Police ammo.  At some 
>>point a few years back, the pigs were  "given their head" and there 
>>was so much experimental ammo shot off at human beings that afterwards
>>one could not walk the street withoug risking breaking the neck on 
>>wooden, plastic, rubber bullets of various kinds.   The local 
>>businessmen  revolted, since no one was on the streets any more and 
>>and business fell of 2/3.    Berkeley Pigs ("Pigs" shows I was tuned 
>>by the sixties) are teased by other PD's owing to being "reined in" by 
>>the real humans who run the government.  They have had to inch up on 
>>the government to blind side them,  The Berkeley government is all 
>>female or tends to be.  Lesbians sabotage all male candidates ("Hello, 
>>we are with the John Male Doe campaign. John Doe has dropped out of 
>>the race and recommends you vote for Jane Female Doe.")   Women do not 
>>generally know what the hell is going on in male-bonded extrusions of 
>>the overall culture.   One woman in every single military unit of any 
>>kind would be the death of the whole thing.    
>>
>>The business with truman and the transisterthingies shows how the 
>>military is able to horn swoggle government.   There are so many 
>>layers of lies built up that there is nothing one can do but LIVE OUT 
>>THE TRUTH.
>>
>>When the hell appears in the heavens,  there will be much else to come 
>>shortly thereafter.   And this will happen twice, near the crests in 
>>the ripples made in the fabric of time, RIPPLES WHICH ARE THE WORMHOLE 
>>OPENED AND PERCEIVED a verylong time ago.  At the two interventions, 
>>there will be the appearance of the GOOD GUYS, including the 
>>consequence of humans having centralized the mind of the cosmos 
>>itself.  I refer to the Jew we murdered.   Note the biblical assertion 
>>that members of our species already dead, those living (on any 
>>position on the face of the planet) and those WHO ARE YET TO BE BORN 
>>will be present and observing.
>>
>>So, there is much to think about in gaining dominiion over the matrix 
>>which is the paradigm which unites such topics of cogitation.
>>...........................zeropoint
>>
>> 
>>
>>From: Colin Walker <cbwalker@direct.ca>
>>Subject: RE: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>>
>>
>>At 06:06 PM 8/24/97 -0700, Shane Hall <schall@it.sait.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>        One must determine the phase angle of the signal and then 
>>produce a
>>signal that is 90 deg out of phase and the resultant would be zero. A
>>destructive interference pattern could be setup.
>>
>>>
>>>From: Shane Hall <schall@it.sait.ab.ca>
>>>Subject: RE: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>>>
>>>Attempts could be made to duplicate & amplify the signal.  The 
>>effects 
>>>would hopefully become obvious.
>>>
>>>By duplicating the wave at the same strength is received, an area 
>>>could be 
>>>protected.  The wave could be reproduced into the area in inverse 
>>>form. 
>>> This method is becoming more common to cancel out waves.
>>> e.g. helicopter sound
>>>
>>>
>>>Just two ideas,
>>>
>>>Shane
>>>----------
>>>From: 	zeropoint[SMTP:zap@dnai.com]
>>>From:          Jason Dunlap <jason@iptcorp.com
>>>Subject:       HIGH ALERT!
>>>
>>>Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention.  This is the first time Hans has
>>>ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions.  
>>If
>>>anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me.
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>
>>>
>

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At 08:03 AM 9/4/97 +1000, i393 wrote:
>>
>>  
>>From: Tim Walrath <warpath@wtp.net>
>>Subject: Re: 001 Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>>
>>This sounds like "woodpecker" to me.According to Bearden and others, the
>>Ruskies have been sending this sublimanal signal for about 45 years.Of
>>course, I am not belittling the Russian people as they are just like
>>us-under unwanted management. It is postulated that it is a carrier wave for
>>detrimental health effects.Using certain scalar technologies, disease and
>>even death can be induced.It is my private opinion that we have been at war
>>for years and no one in the public even knows it.And yes, the wave can be
>>blocked using a scalar counter wave.The good news is that this technology
>>can be used to repair damaged cells and even induce knowledge instantly by
>>implanting directly into the atomic makeup of the body-jola! no more
>>schools-no more unemployment-no more sickness.Now if only the "bad guys "
>>would get out of the way and let the natural LOVE in humans take it's
>>course, this old world might have a chance.It is important that anyone
>>feeling depressed or ill or even violently urged focus on the LOVE that is
>>in them or a friend or even through spiritual meditations.This won't stop
>>the signal but it will help them develop natural defenses.May GOD help us
>>all.At 10:03 AM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>see:    http://www.dnai.com/~zap/alert.htm for files clarifying the 
>>>function of this pulse or signal in terms of special communications by 
>>>USAF. Also other military situations and concerns.   a word search on 
>>>elgrupo.doc/rft/txt/mcw, also available at .../~zap/elgrupo.xxx will 
>>>allow one to find out what is going on in terms of both alien 
>>>invasion...   the tone is possibly to fend off a massive attack....   
>>>the tone is a carrier for special communications ongoing. The ongoing 
>>>communications can be among military also between the miklitary  
>>>(a secret government commanding this technology circumventing what is 
>>>normally called government) to manipulate and to shepherd the human 
>>>race as it pleases by means of insertions to the carrier signal.   
>>>
>>>(Personally, I see in this the explanations for a certain tone I hear 
>>>several times a year.  One of such a high frequency that it could be 
>>>the one below. Lately, I have heard deeper, richer more full-bodied 
>>>tones.   They last until I forget about them.   There is nothing I 
>>>have ever been done to stop hearing these tones.  It has been going
>>>on for decades.   I have never heard any fluctuations nor "content" 
>>>to these tones; only a very thin high high high pitched tone at the 
>>>edge of hearing, my hearing. Several times in the past  two or so 
>>>years a lower deeper richer tone, a constant tone.  I have been paying 
>>>attention to my hearing since age 17, am 52.  I devised a simple way 
>>>of testing my hearng acuity so as to be aware of any changes as I grew 
>>>older,  Typical Sylvester stuff.  I don't har voices except in the two 
>>>situations related to war.  I can remember 
>>>all the events of "thoughts" which were NOT mine.  I recognize the
>>>thoughts which are "good" and those which are malignant.)   
>>>
>>>I am aware of there being among the population at large, a very 
>>>high anxiety level which is apart from any thing traceable to any
>>>particular phenomenon.  Very many people do attribute this to the
>>>police.  Many are very afraid of being pulled over and beaten by
>>>a policeman who is having a bad hair day.   I see this kind of thing
>>>as an attempt to tell a story that accounts for the omnipresent and
>>>pervading stress.  During the eighties, I sensed this in huge waves
>>>and was always tempted to think of being caught in a hail of bullets
>>>from Negroes, among whom I do not live, but I did bring into the
>>>country, by indirect machinations, 200,000 of them, and this was
>>>something I tried to use to explain, in a laborious way, through
>>>guilt, as why I had chills up and down my spine when walking outdoors
>>>in peaceful Berkeley.   Well, sort of peaceful.  Berkeley, it was 
>>>found has a slush fund of 5 - 7 millions for Police ammo.  At some 
>>>point a few years back, the pigs were  "given their head" and there 
>>>was so much experimental ammo shot off at human beings that afterwards
>>>one could not walk the street withoug risking breaking the neck on 
>>>wooden, plastic, rubber bullets of various kinds.   The local 
>>>businessmen  revolted, since no one was on the streets any more and 
>>>and business fell of 2/3.    Berkeley Pigs ("Pigs" shows I was tuned 
>>>by the sixties) are teased by other PD's owing to being "reined in" by 
>>>the real humans who run the government.  They have had to inch up on 
>>>the government to blind side them,  The Berkeley government is all 
>>>female or tends to be.  Lesbians sabotage all male candidates ("Hello, 
>>>we are with the John Male Doe campaign. John Doe has dropped out of 
>>>the race and recommends you vote for Jane Female Doe.")   Women do not 
>>>generally know what the hell is going on in male-bonded extrusions of 
>>>the overall culture.   One woman in every single military unit of any 
>>>kind would be the death of the whole thing.    
>>>
>>>The business with truman and the transisterthingies shows how the 
>>>military is able to horn swoggle government.   There are so many 
>>>layers of lies built up that there is nothing one can do but LIVE OUT 
>>>THE TRUTH.
>>>
>>>When the hell appears in the heavens,  there will be much else to come 
>>>shortly thereafter.   And this will happen twice, near the crests in 
>>>the ripples made in the fabric of time, RIPPLES WHICH ARE THE WORMHOLE 
>>>OPENED AND PERCEIVED a verylong time ago.  At the two interventions, 
>>>there will be the appearance of the GOOD GUYS, including the 
>>>consequence of humans having centralized the mind of the cosmos 
>>>itself.  I refer to the Jew we murdered.   Note the biblical assertion 
>>>that members of our species already dead, those living (on any 
>>>position on the face of the planet) and those WHO ARE YET TO BE BORN 
>>>will be present and observing.
>>>
>>>So, there is much to think about in gaining dominiion over the matrix 
>>>which is the paradigm which unites such topics of cogitation.
>>>...........................zeropoint
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>From: Colin Walker <cbwalker@direct.ca>
>>>Subject: RE: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>>>
>>>
>>>At 06:06 PM 8/24/97 -0700, Shane Hall <schall@it.sait.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>        One must determine the phase angle of the signal and then 
>>>produce a
>>>signal that is 90 deg out of phase and the resultant would be zero. A
>>>destructive interference pattern could be setup.
>>>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>From: Shane Hall <schall@it.sait.ab.ca>
>>>>Subject: RE: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!
>>>>
>>>>Attempts could be made to duplicate & amplify the signal.  The 
>>>effects 
>>>>would hopefully become obvious.
>>>>
>>>>By duplicating the wave at the same strength is received, an area 
>>>>could be 
>>>>protected.  The wave could be reproduced into the area in inverse 
>>>>form. 
>>>> This method is becoming more common to cancel out waves.
>>>> e.g. helicopter sound
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just two ideas,
>>>>
>>>>Shane
>>>>----------
>>>>From: 	zeropoint[SMTP:zap@dnai.com]
>>>>From:          Jason Dunlap <jason@iptcorp.com
>>>>Subject:       HIGH ALERT!
>>>>
>>>>Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention.  This is the first time Hans has
>>>>ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions.  
>>>If
>>>>anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me.
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Why do you post this stuff?

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This was a bogus report. I interviewed Hans and found his 
knowledge of radio communications was limited and his 
measurements were primitive. There are thousands of 
unidentified signals out there and he couldn't give me a reason 
why this report justified a "high alert." He appears to have 
picked up a conventional VLF navigation signal. 

My qualifications: former Air Force electronics technician
and instructor in radio communcations and precision 
measurement equipment, advanced-class amateur radio license,
and several years in avionics engineering and airborne 
electronics systems analysis for aerospace companies.

Wes Thomas


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G.D.Mutch wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I will show you how simple it is to test for what I believe is/are scalar waves.
> Most people have seen this post already. I feel the important factor is the
> glass top table. It may be the glass and steel combination that is the
> critical key ???

<snip>

> The spring will oscillate at 1.5hz, it has never stopped oscillating. The
> oscillation  varies in magnitude with the scalar signal.

How are you measuring the magnitude of the scalar signal to know that
the oscillations
of the spring varies in response to the scalar signal?

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>> The spring will oscillate at 1.5hz, it has never stopped oscillating. The
>> oscillation  varies in magnitude with the scalar signal.
>
>How are you measuring the magnitude of the scalar signal to know that
>the oscillations
>of the spring varies in response to the scalar signal?

More basic questions are: 

1. What's the mechanical resonant frequency of the spring-string system? 
(If it's 1.5 Hz, coupling from random mechanical vibrations would seem 
to be a more logical explanation.)

2. How did you isolate the apparatus to eliminate artifacts 
from traffic and other low-frequency vibrations and did you apply a
1.5 Hz mechanical signal to test for mechanical isolation?




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Finally, some real science.  How refreshing for a change.

Carlos (yes, I'm still here)

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	>> The spring will oscillate at 1.5hz, it has never stopped
oscillating. The
	>> oscillation  varies in magnitude with the scalar signal.
	>
	>How are you measuring the magnitude of the scalar signal to
know that
	>the oscillations
	>of the spring varies in response to the scalar signal?

	More basic questions are: 

	1. What's the mechanical resonant frequency of the spring-string
system? 
	(If it's 1.5 Hz, coupling from random mechanical vibrations
would seem 
	to be a more logical explanation.)

	2. How did you isolate the apparatus to eliminate artifacts 
	from traffic and other low-frequency vibrations and did you
apply a
	1.5 Hz mechanical signal to test for mechanical isolation?



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Hi!

Just found your fascinating web page.

I watched a documentary on the Bristol (England) hum last week, and was very
interested in what one of the researchers, a John Dawes, had to say.  On the
program, someone had also produced a map of tinitus sufferers which showed
the incidences of this problem in England.

Can anyone give me an E-Mail address for John Dawes or tell me how to locate
a copy of this map ???  (OR both???)

I would be most grateful for your assistance as I believe that I may have
found a clue,  and if it leads anywhere I will keep you posted.  

Thankyou

F. Vickers.

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On 9/3/97, G. D. Mutch wrote (partially) ... >>I will show you how simple=

it is to test for what I believe is/are scalar waves. Most people have se=
en
this post already. I feel the important factor is the glass top table. It=

may be the glass and steel combination that is the critical key ???<< ...=


I'm just an apprentice understudy beginner in all this stuff but what you=

describe just piqued my interest for some as yet unknown reason and, if y=
ou
don't mind, would like to ask a couple of questions about the "oscillatin=
g
spring-in-jar" project as follows:

=95 I'm guessing that some sort of rod/dowel/bar is laid across the open =
top
of the jar  and that some sort of string or cord is attached to it for
suspending the spring   down within in the jar.  If you can tell, of what=

material is that rod/dowel/bar made of and what is it's approximate
diameter ?(don't have to be real precise on this).

=95 Regarding the "suspension" string, is it simply a length of common, =

woven wrapping string, or a length of more tightly-woven "fishing" string=

or a length of (small-diameter) monofilament nylon line - or a ship's
"mooring line" (you know, those huge ropes that are about 8 mm in diamete=
r)
 or what? (Pardon me for a little well-intended humor).

=95 Without getting right down to the very last nanometer, what are the
approximate dimensions of the spring - i.e., free length, overall diamete=
r,
and diameter of the spring wire itself?

=95 I certainly don't know if it means anything or not but does there see=
m to
be a certain period of the day (or night) when it oscillates N-S and
another period when it seems to prefer E-W?

=95 Next-to-lastly, have you tried setting up the
table/glass-top/jar/string/spring outside on the bare earth to see if the=
re
is any difference - either oscillating faster or slower, or in a definite=
ly
preferred direction and, if it contines to change direction, is the
approximate time close to what it was when the setup was in the
lab/house/garage/etc.?

=95 Lastly (and then I'll leave you alone) and only if you care to tell m=
e,
what city/state (in Australia) are you in or near? ... anywhere near Ayer=
's
Rock or a geologic  "fault-line" that may run to or from it?

Best regards and hope I didn't make a pest of myself ...

Robert, the curious one ...

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:23:21 +0000
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Hello All,

My name is Frederick J. Sparber and I reside in New Mexico,  USA.

I have had first hand involvement with the HUM-Related phenomena
since May of 1981 when I connected a sudden awareness to an annoying 
high-pitched, ca. 15,750 hertz noise-squeal.

Having worked with electronics-radio and television communications
since 1946 I recognized the 30 frame/second times 525 lines/second
raster signal that is boadcast by Television Transmitters.

As it turned out a new "SuperPower" Television Station, Channel 14,
470-476 Megahertz had begun broadcasting from atop the 10,300 foot
"antenna farm" Sandia Crest,  (over 300 users) East of Albuquerque, 
New Mexico some 60 kilometers from where I reside.

After medical checks for any hearing or inner-ear problems I proceeded to
run some experiments to ascertain the source, along with studies on
how the inner ear process (cochlea)could demodulate the 30 hertz framing
rate and the 525 line raster signal.

It was also noted that local "weather" had a strong bearing on the level
of annoyance and tended to give it a "Cheshire Cat" effect to the extent
that I could actually tell the difference between a color or 
black-and-white transmission ( this is due to the color burst signal and
chrominance information on the signal.

I notified the FCC (Federal Communications Commision) about this 
phenomenon and raised Hell in general. The FCC passed the hot potato
over to the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).  :-)

When Channel 14 was taken off the air (for whatever reason) the problem
abated.

Later when the Taos Hum problem cropped up, (coincidentally with a
proliferation of locally placed translator stations)presumably so
that the power levels could be reduced at the transmitter.

I was/am involved with the people from Sandia National Laboratories
and physicists/medical people from The University of New Mexico who
are still involved in trying to understand the phenomena.

I had pretty well let things ride until puzzled over the past several
days as to why myself and my spouse of 44 years were feeling extra
agitated and very grouchy for no apparent reason. 

Then, last night I discovered that a New Transmitter is On the Air with 
a test signal (Channel 15, 476 to 482 Megahertz)  :-)

Here we go again. Take your pick, the 30 frame/second framing rate or
the noiser video "intelligence" or a bit of both?   :-)

Best Regards,    Frederick

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:12:41 +0000
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To Taosians,

The EPA homepage is at; www.epa.gov  Their comment e-mail address is;
public-access@epamail.epa.gov

The FCC homepage is at; www.fcc.gov  Their comment e-mail address is;
fccinfo@fcc.gov

I sent them each a copy of my previous post. Be interesting to see
the response.   :-)

Regards,   Frederick


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forwarded message, respond directly to
 BTCV Wiltshire <BTCV-Wiltshire@dial.pipex.com>

.....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,.............................
William Beaty  voice:206-781-3320   bbs:206-789-0775    cserv:71241,3623
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Subject: John Dawes E-Mail address

Hi!

Just found your fascinating web page.

I watched a documentary on the Bristol (England) hum last week, and was very
interested in what one of the researchers, a John Dawes, had to say.  On the
program, someone had also produced a map of tinitus sufferers which showed
the incidences of this problem in England.

Can anyone give me an E-Mail address for John Dawes or tell me how to locate
a copy of this map ???  (OR both???)

I would be most grateful for your assistance as I believe that I may have
found a clue,  and if it leads anywhere I will keep you posted.  

Thankyou

F. Vickers.

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     Seems a variety of people have been interested in a spring in a jar or 
     a similar experiment.
     
     I have seen a Russian scientist (I have forgotten his name) using a 
     spring (or was it a ring) in a jar to detect radiation of some unknown 
     sort.
     
     Many decades ago somebody used a coil in a jar to detect some kind of 
     human radiation which wasnt heat, but seemed to be some kind of 
     psychic radiation.
     
     I currently a variation of this experiment which I sometimes try out.
     It seems to detect some kind of biological radiation which isnt heat, 
     isnt electromagnetic, but seems to be some kind of psychic radiation.
     Instead of a coil I use a toothwheel.
     
     I have used much effort to study the phenomenon, but have tried to 
     interest others.

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     This Friday I dined in a restaurant which consisted of a cylinder of 
     glass, 2-3 meters tall, around 16 meters in diameter, and with a 
     tarpauline as roof. It was suspended from a pole in the center, and 
     from the rim of the cylinder. It formed an inverted funnel.
     
     There was a hum problem in the building. You could often hear a 
     powerful hum inside the building, but not outside the building. 
     Apparently the building amplified a hum which was below the threshold 
     of hearing outside the building, but which was above the threshold 
     inside.
     
     There was a diesel generator maybe 100 meters away in an underground 
     bomb shelter, and there was an airport maybe 10 kilometers away. 
     Probably starting airplanes caused the rumble which could be heard in 
     the building/tent.
     
     The phenomenon probably is measurable in this tent/building. At least 
     it was very audible.
     
     Regards, Anders

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    =20
     Sorry, I was too sloppy sending this message.
     Here are two corrections:
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     I currently HAVE a variation of this experiment which I sometimes t=
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     out. It seems to detect some kind of biological radiation which isn=
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     heat, isnt electromagnetic, but seems to be some kind of psychic=20
     radiation. Instead of a coil I use a toothwheel.
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     I have NOT used much effort to study the phenomenon, but have tried=
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     interest others.
    =20
     Regards, Anders

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Hello:

John Dawes does not have an email address.  I keep in touch with him by
regular mail here is his address: 
John Dawes
28 Hedwick Street
St. George
Bristol Bs5 8EB
England

He has a lot of information and is very accessible and helpful.

Regards,
Naomi Ramieri-Hall  

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     A power plant here blew up yesterday. It was a hum-source, and hum 
     sufferers in the vicinity were suddenly free of hum. Initially they 
     didnt know why. But after a day most sufferers had telephoned each 
     other, and heard about the explosion from local newsbroadcasts.
     
     The power plant apparently sent out seismic waves.
     
     The radius in which the plant was effective was maybe 15 km.
     
     The police has cordoned off the area and is trying to find out why the 
     thing blew up...
     
     Regards, Anders
     
     
     
     
      

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Anders,

On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:08:00 CET DST
You wrote:

     
    > A power plant here blew up yesterday. It was a hum-source, and hum 
    > sufferers in the vicinity were suddenly free of hum. Initially they 
    > didnt know why. But after a day most sufferers had telephoned each 
    > other, and heard about the explosion from local newsbroadcasts.
    > 
    > The power plant apparently sent out seismic waves.
    > 
    > The radius in which the plant was effective was maybe 15 km.
    > 
    > The police has cordoned off the area and is trying to find out why the 
    > thing blew up...
    > 
    > Regards, Anders

What kind of a power plant was it? Steam Turbine? Was it a steam or fuel 
explosion? Coal, oil, or natural gas fired? Or was it a Diesel plant? Surely not 
Nuclear, or it would be WORLD news!

Regards,

Oliver

     
     
     
     
      


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I3683 wrote:
> 
> 
>      A power plant here blew up yesterday. It was a hum-source, and hum
>      sufferers in the vicinity were suddenly free of hum. Initially they
>      didnt know why. But after a day most sufferers had telephoned each
>      other, and heard about the explosion from local newsbroadcasts.

       Perhaps it was a knowledgeable Hum-hearer at their wits ends
       and the means to a solution.... Suffer the little children...
      
       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
       to a variety of reasons....   
                                      Denis 

>      The power plant apparently sent out seismic waves.
> 
>      The radius in which the plant was effective was maybe 15 km.
> 
>      The police has cordoned off the area and is trying to find out why the
>      thing blew up...
> 
>      Regards, Anders
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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    =20

>What kind of a power plant was it? Steam Turbine? Was it a steam or=20
>fuel explosion? Coal, oil, or natural gas fired? Or was it a Diesel=20
>plant? Surely not
    =20
     The power plant was a combined electricity and heat plant.
    =20
     It has huge combustion motors that run on natural gas, and drive=20
     generators that make electricity.
    =20
     The excess heat is absorbed in water, which is pumped around in the =

     town and heat houses.
    =20
     The gas motors generate low frequency vibrations and sound. The=20
     designers decided to not do anything to dampen the low frequencies, =

     because it is not required by law, but only to dampen frequencies=20
     above 25 Hz or so.
    =20
     The vibration of the ground can be sensed near the plant.=20
     The infrasound can be heard a block away or so.
    =20
     There is measurable infrasound in most of the town, but when far fr=
om=20
     the plant, the infrasound seems to radiate from the houses, and not =

     from plant. Perhaps vibrations in the ground and water pipes make t=
he=20
     houses vibrate.
    =20
     The explosion was a gas explosion. Apparently natural gas had escap=
ed=20
     into the building, which then blew up.
    =20
     This kind of natural gas fired power plants are mushrooming here. T=
hey=20
     are built using the same technology, and they are exported abroad. =

     Curiously, hum problems seem to spring up in the countries that imp=
ort=20
     these power plants.
    =20
     There are companies here that specialize in damping such vibrations=
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     the source, but their services are not in demand.
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     The problems seem to be politically embarassing, and the politician=
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     export these power plants to other countries...
    =20
     Regards, Anders
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    =20
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Hello again, Taoshum-list people:

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:07:13 -0700
Denis Jackson <ticn@olypen.com> 
wrote:


>I3683 wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>      A power plant here blew up yesterday. It was a hum-source, and hum
>>      sufferers in the vicinity were suddenly free of hum. Initially they
>>      didnt know why. But after a day most sufferers had telephoned each
>>      other, and heard about the explosion from local newsbroadcasts.>
>
>       Perhaps it was a knowledgeable Hum-hearer at their wits ends
>       and the means to a solution.... Suffer the little children...

It would seem this would be a choice between having heat and electricity and 
listening to a hum. Wouldn't the little children suffer without these too?

I do, of course, understand what you are getting at here Denis.

But, turning off the presently available power systems in order to eliminate 
pollution, whether it be noise, air, or other, is *idealistic* rather than 
*pragmatic*, and would not solve anything. It would simply cause other problems.

The condition this poor planet is in, brings tears to the eyes of any thinking 
person who contemplates the situation. Also, it would seem, the destructive 
elements, in the form of the "pack and herd" syndrome (packs of criminal 
predators and herds of programmed idiots) are multiplying at a much faster rate 
than the creative, ethical, loving members of our species.

How do we just stop the entire present system, based on greed and profit, and 
start all over? Obviously we cannot! 

Therefore, we must ban together and develop methods and procedures to make the 
best of the mess we are in, if for no other reason, than to eke out a survival 
from what little time we have left on a dying planet.

>      
>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
>       to a variety of reasons....   
>                                      Denis 

Sometimes, but not always. I happened to be in an environment a few years back, 
that presented a perfect microcosm for study of this very question. I was on the 
island of Shemya, Alaska at the very tip of the Aleutian Chain. We had a 
scheduled power outage of the entire island to perform inspection and  
maintenance of electrical switchgear, bus systems, transformers, and conductors.

During this outage, there were absolutely no emergency power generators running. 
Due to the size of the base camp itself, and the island in general, it was a 
simple matter to determine what was running and what was not. There were 
absolutely NO mechanical systems operating...no engine generator sets, no 
vehicle engines, and no battery operated equipment. 

To my absolute amazement, that damn "idling diesel engine in the distance" sound 
that I had been plagued with for years, was very much in evidence. I even walked 
all over the place to see if I could find its source. I could hear it even down 
on the beach. It was not surf, by the way.

That was when I first decided I was not "hearing" an acoustic signal at all. 
Some other form of energy was being perceived, and translated by my brain as 
sound.

I had no idea such a phenomenon was possible at that time. Since, then, I have 
read many articles that indicate this is a definite possibility, and in fact, is 
the most probable nature of the actual Taos-hum phenomenon.

For a review of some of the material available regarding this type of 
perception, see the list from Michael Theroux's posting of Sun, 24 Aug 1997 
16:50:01 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Re: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT!

A copy of Michael's list from that posting follows:

>A.H. Frey, "Human Auditory System Response to Modulated Electromagnetic
>Energy", J. Appl. Physiol., 17, 689, 1962.

>R.C. Sommer, and H.E. Von Gierke, "Hearing Sensations in Electric Fields",
>Aerosp. Med., 35, 834, 1964.

>C.K. Chou, R. Galambos, and R.H. Lovely, "Coclear, Microphonics Generated by
>Microwave Pulses", J. Microwave Power, 10, 361, 1975.

>C.K. Chou, and A.W. Guy, "Auditory perception of Radiofrequency
>Electromagnetic Fields", J. Acoust. Soc. Am., 71, 1321, 1982.

>S. Muller, and M. Hotz, "Human Brainstem Auditory Evoked Potentials", Mag
>Res. in Med., 16, 476, 1990.

>These are just a few examples.

Regards,

Oliver W. Jopling <juno@interserv.com>



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Hello to the taoshum-List people:

NOTE: The following dialogue is merely an exploration of the systems involved in 
the type of power plant Anders wrote about and is intended mainly for those 
non-technical people on the list who may be interested in reading a little bit 
about the subject.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>What kind of a power plant was it? Steam Turbine? Was it a steam or 
>>fuel explosion? Coal, oil, or natural gas fired? Or was it a Diesel 
>>plant? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

<i3683@csc.dk (I3683)>;Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:00 CET DST
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Wrote:

   >  The power plant was a combined electricity and heat plant.
   >  
   >  It has huge combustion motors that run on natural gas, and drive 
   >  generators that make electricity.
  
I understand. I am presently working in a very similar facility on the Island, 
of Adak, Alaska. We also have huge combustion motors (about 2 stories high and 
about 60 feet long) that drive generators for electricity.

These are identical to the engine in a automobile (multiplied by a few hundred 
times in physical size and power output). Ours run on Diesel fuel oil as opposed 
to natural gas.

Natural gas is used in the engines you speak of because it is much more 
efficient and burns far cleaner than Diesel fuel. There are very few pollutants 
from natural gas, mostly just water vapor. Of course, like everything else there 
is the "COST" factor.

All power plants run on the consideration of how much it costs to produce a 
Kilowatt Hour (KWH) of electricity. The lower the cost to produce it, the 
greater the profit from its sale. All businesses, of course operate on this 
cost/profit basis. 

The plant managers have to take into consideration the availability of fuels and 
choose the cheapest and most efficient fuel available. This also takes into 
consideration the prevailing anti-pollution laws of the land.

The burned fuel must not put out pollutants (in excess of the statutory limits) 
such as Sulfur, Carbon, and the notorious Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), the big 
contributor to acid rain and smog.
  
   >  The excess heat is absorbed in water, which is pumped around in the 
   >  town and heat houses.

Right. This is a process used in cold areas, very prevalent in Alaska, Canada 
and Greenland. It is termed a Waste Heat Recovery Hot Water Heating System. Most 
of the heat is obtained from the hot exhaust gases by running the exhaust gas 
through a shell of tubes around which water is circulated. This is called a 
"Heat Exchanger", the heat from the exhaust is absorbed in the circulating water 
and is then pumped through the radiators in the houses. Radiators are "Heat 
Exchangers" too. They take the heat from the water and radiate it to the 
surrounding air in the house.

Heat is also absorbed from the cylinder walls, and lubricating oil, and other 
engine parts. This cools the engine and provides additional heat for the heating 
system. This is a very efficient system as the heat that is used here is 
generally wasted to the atmosphere in ordinary engine operation.

   >  
   >  The gas motors generate low frequency vibrations and sound. The 
   >  designers decided to not do anything to dampen the low frequencies, 
   >  because it is not required by law, but only to dampen frequencies 
   >  above 25 Hz or so.

We are speaking here only of plants that use large Diesel engines that burn fuel 
oil or natural gas. This type of plant is used, *usually* only in areas where it 
is not economically feasible to build large steam generator plants.

A steam generator plant uses huge boilers fired by coal, oil, or natural gas 
that boil water to produce very high pressure steam that turns a turbine, that 
turns a generator to produce electricity. It uses the force of the steam 
pressure to turn the generator that produces the electricity, instead of a large 
combustion engine (motor).

Although a steam plant is more efficient to operate and can generate electricity 
at a lower cost per Kilowatt Hour (KWH) and produce fewer pollutants, overall, 
its initial construction cost is much, much, higher. Therefore, in smaller 
communities and remote areas, it is not feasible.

With a boiler plant, you must have available sources of coal, an entire mine 
close by is preferable, or a rail head to bring it in by car loads. Or, be near 
a natural gas pipeline, or have a natural gas storage facility in the middle of 
your town...ever see one of those blow? 

Then, of course, you can use a nuclear reactor to produce the necessary heat to 
boil water for steam to turn your generator to produce electricity. Here, you do 
not need the costly storage facilities or rail head for fuel. The heat producing 
fuel comes in nice little compact rods of Uranium-235 or Plutonium-239 that 
lasts for years. This provides much cheaper and cleaner power.

Heh, heh. If you believe that shit, have I got a deal for you!

   >  
   >  The vibration of the ground can be sensed near the plant. 
   >  The infrasound can be heard a block away or so.

Of course this would be so. Just think of the vibration an auto or truck engine 
produces, then multiply this by about 100 times or more. Think of the tiny 
piston in your automobile engine weighing maybe a kilogram (2.2 pounds) or two, 
and compare it with the pistons in the engines Anders is speaking of, probably 
weighing in at three or fours hundred pounds (180+ Kilograms), or more.

I worked on some German Diesels (M.A.N.) with pistons that weighed 2000 pounds 
apiece! 

Speaking of seismic waves, I had just experienced a major (7.4) earthquake, in 
Los Angeles, the first time I was present for the starting of one of those 
M.A.N. Diesels. Needless to say, to the amazement and amusement of my coworkers, 
I teleported out the front door and into the street!

In most internal combustion engines, the reciprocating motion of the pistons in 
their cylinders (up and down motion), is converted to rotary motion (rotation) 
by the crankshaft.

One may never have cause to think about it, but before a piston can go back "up" 
in the cylinder, after traveling down, it must come to a complete stop! Then 
after it has completed its upward stroke, it must come to a complete stop again, 
in order to go back down, and so forth, for every stroke of every piston.

Every time the piston stops in its travel it produces a "thump". In the very 
slow engines, like the M.A.N's I spoke of, which turn at 171.4 RPM (Revolutions 
Per Minute), the "thump" is very audible and very noticeable.  Having such mass, 
the vibrations produced, consisted of a lot of energy, which "moved" the 
buildings and streets for quite a wide area. This movement was very slow and 
could readily be felt.

In higher speed, much smaller engines, like GMC 671 series Diesel engines, for 
use as emergency generators, the engines turn at around 1800 RPM. Here, the 
thump is much less perceptible, as it is occurring at a much higher frequency, 
and sounds like a high pitched whine.

The speed of an engine driving a generator is determined by the number of RPM 
needed to produce 60, or in Europe 50, Cycles Per Second (60 Hz) current.

The speed necessary to produce the 60 Hz current is again determined by the 
number of magnetic pole pieces in the alternator (sets of North and South Poles 
of electromagnets rotating in a series of windings, or conductors, in which the 
magnetic field is converted to an alternating current flow).

The M.A.N. Diesels, I spoke of, must spin at 171.4 RPM and have 42 magnetic pole 
pieces in its alternator, to produce 60 Hz current. 

The GMC 671 series engines, screaming at 1800 RPM, need only 4 pole pieces in 
its alternator to produce the same 60 Hz current.

A consideration here is, you would not want the 2000 pound pistons and other 
heavy parts of the M.A.N. screaming at 1800 RPM. Unless, of course, you are 
entertained by the spectacle of very large pieces of metal flying through the 
air doing great destruction to people, places and things! 


   >  There is measurable infrasound in most of the town, but when far from 
   >  the plant, the infrasound seems to radiate from the houses, and not 
   >  from plant. Perhaps vibrations in the ground and water pipes make the 
   >  houses vibrate.


This is an interesting point. In a heating system like you describe here, the 
water that is heated from the waste heat of the large motors, is usually 
transmitted to each house by a pipe line that travels around the town in a large 
circuit. Each house and building to be heated, has a tap off of that pipe which 
runs through a secondary  heat exchanger, then a connection is made at this 
additional heat exchanger that runs through the household radiator.

This secondary heat exchanger, between the heating water main and the household 
radiator, is installed to prevent the entire contents of the heating water 
system dumping into one's house in case of a pipe break. 

This is also a very definite safety measure, as the main heating water is 
usually in a pressurized system and is heated in excess of the boiling point, 
sometimes to as much as 280 degrees Fahrenheit, or approximately 137.8 degrees 
Celsius. (212 degrees F is the boiling point, or 100 degrees C, at the sea level 
pressure of 14.7 pounds per square inch).

In the case of a pipe breakage and the sudden release of system pressure, this 
280 degree water immediately and dramatically flashes to steam. The water 
temperature in the secondary heat exchanger is controlled by heat dissipators 
(radiators that exhaust excess heat to the atmosphere).

>From the foregoing, it can be seen that there is an actual *physical connection* 
between every running engine, all of the engine auxiliary equipment (pumps and 
fans and exhaust systems etc.) and each and every house in this town. This 
physical connection would provide a pathway, or conductor, for the vibratory 
emissions from the power plant.

Of special note here, the main source of heat in this system is a huge 
cylindrical bundle of metal tubes, perhaps as many as 200 tubes on each engine, 
through which the extremely high pressure hot exhaust gasses are forced, before 
being emitted to the atmosphere.

The *total* exhaust gas temperature and pressure passing through these tubes is 
a combination of the *combined* firing pressures and temperatures of each 
cylinder (a minimum of 500 pounds per square inch with temperatures in excess of 
1000 degrees F or 540 degrees C), modified by any back pressure caused by bends 
and other inhibitions of the exhaust piping and stacks, and temperature loss 
through the metal parts of the system, before it arrives at the tubes.

As can be seen, this describes a very weird and wonderful PIPE ORGAN!

The frequency of the vibratory emissions of this combined system would depend 
upon a great many factors, especially the diameter, length, and physical 
composition (what type of metal) of the tubes. Additional factors would be: How 
smooth are the interior walls of the tubes? How much carbon accumulation is 
there inside the tubes? (not much with natural gas) How much scale deposits, 
from the water, have accumulated on the exterior walls of the tubes? (This is 
modified by the water treatment chemicals added to the heating water.)

As can be further seen, this system undergoes "tuning" as the various parameters 
change with time.

 
   >  The explosion was a gas explosion. Apparently natural gas had escaped 
   >  into the building, which then blew up.

This is a constant hazard present in plants that use of natural gas as a fuel. 
They scare me, and I prefer to work in the less dangerous environment of an oil 
fueled Diesel power plant.

The Hyperion Waste Treatment Plant, which processes the sewage for the city of 
Los Angeles, California, uses gas fueled Diesel engines to drive their 
generators that produce electricity to drive their pumps. (Any excess 
electricity is sent out into the local power grid.)

The fuel gas is methane, derived from sewage digestor tanks, in which bacteria 
are added to the sewage which produce great quantities of methane as they 
decompose the sewage. 

Whooeee! I would hate to be around that area if that system ever blew! <Hee, 
hee> 

But, on second thought, in Los Angeles, except for the noise, you might not 
notice a difference.
   >  
   >  This kind of natural gas fired power plants are mushrooming here. They 
   >  are built using the same technology, and they are exported abroad. 
   >  Curiously, hum problems seem to spring up in the countries that import 
   >  these power plants.

Is this due to the construction of that natural gas pipeline built in Russia 
that carries natural gas into Europe from the east, or is it just the 
availability of the gas from the North Sea?

They are efficient plants that can be rapidly installed in small communities, 
especially in northern Europe. But, due to their design (as indicated above), 
they WILL and DO produce industrial *HUM* in many frequencies.

   >  
   >  There are companies here that specialize in damping such vibrations at 
   >  the source, but their services are not in demand.

What needs to be done is engineers and other technical people have to band 
together in groups and communicate the necessity for legislation to dampen these 
vibrations. People must form groups to demand this of their politicians and 
legislators.

The general run-of-the-mill politician cannot fathom infrasound frequencies 
being a nuisance. How can they be? After all, no one can hear them. Yeah right! 
Stick his head in one of those Exhaust Gas Heat Exchangers and see if he changes 
his tune! Or just sit him under one that just happens to be tuned right and 
watch him puke his guts up for no apparent reason.  Wooee, MAGIC! A definite 
attitude adjustment!

   >  
   >  The problems seem to be politically embarrassing, and the politicians 
   >  apparently want to hide the problems as long as it is possible to 
   >  export these power plants to other countries...
   >  
   >  Regards, Anders

They are good, efficient power plants. They just have to have their infrasound 
emissions dampened. 

In years past, all fossil fired power plants dumped tons of fly ash (cinders, 
dust, and soot) and gaseous by-products into the atmosphere. When legislation 
was finally passed to limit or eliminate this pollution, the industry had to 
come up with effective emission-control devices in the form of fabric baghouse 
filters, acid gas scrubbers, and electrostatic precipitators to eliminate these 
by-products of combustion before they were exhausted into the atmosphere.

Much debate could arise regarding the efficacy of these methods, but it was a 
step in the right direction. Imagine what it would be like with no controls.

This legislation came about by the *people* of all free nations demanding 
cleaner air to breath and in which to raise their children. 

Necessity is the mother of invention. This *necessity* to utilize methods of 
infrasound dampening *must* be formed by legislation. That is the only way, any 
company will sacrifice profit for the expense of dampening these vibrations.

Communicate this necessity to the legislators and people in general. Keep doing 
it until they get tired of hearing about it and finally do something about it. 

It is written that *Repitition is senior to Logic*. In this situation, that 
statement is very true.
  
Best regards,

Oliver W. Jopling <juno@interserv.com>   
 
     
     



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On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:

>>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
>>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
>>       to a variety of reasons.... 

Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
power-related.

Judy
El Dorado, CA

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This has been an interesting discussion, and seems to strengthen my thought 
that there are a number of different phenomena that people are hearing. The 
hum I hear cycles on and off, which doesn't seem to happen for the others 
who read this group. I recently was canoeing in central British Columbia 
and heard the hum there. The place I heard the hum was 20 km from any 
electricity of any sort (from a small generator) and about 100 km from the 
nearest small town. There are some big hydropower stations on the Frasier 
river, but these were much farther away. So mains power seems unlikely as a 
source for the hum I heard at that location.

I've heard reports that some people hear a very low-frequency beat note on 
the hum. This could be due to hearing hum of slightly different frequencies 
from more than one source.

Roy Lewallen

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At 08:08 PM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On 9/3/97, G. D. Mutch wrote (partially) ... >>I will show you how simple
>it is to test for what I believe is/are scalar waves. Most people have seen
>this post already. I feel the important factor is the glass top table. It
>may be the glass and steel combination that is the critical key ???<< ...
>
>I'm just an apprentice understudy beginner in all this stuff but what you
>describe just piqued my interest for some as yet unknown reason and, if you
>don't mind, would like to ask a couple of questions about the "oscillating
>spring-in-jar" project as follows:
>

>=95 I'm guessing that some sort of rod/dowel/bar is laid across the open=
 top
>of the jar  and that some sort of string or cord is attached to it for
>suspending the spring   down within in the jar.  If you can tell, of what
>material is that rod/dowel/bar made of and what is it's approximate
>diameter ?(don't have to be real precise on this).
>

Hi  all on T/H, sorry for the delay...

 No... No dowel rod is placed at the top of or near the jar at any time. I=
 have measured the jar and the spring an
repost the description along with the dimensions below. I hope this helps=
 you further your study.

                =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
                =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   Glass Jam=
 Jar =20
                |                |                  |     =20
        1      |                |   cotton     |                     =20
        5      |                |   thread     |        =20
        0      |              |\\\|                |     Ordinary=
 High-tensile gear box type Spring   ( 25mm dia x 26 mm Long x 3mm gauge)
        m     |                                  |      suspended in middle=
 by a cotton thread.=20
        m     |                                  |=20
                =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
                          80 mm                =20


>=95 I certainly don't know if it means anything or not but does there seem=
 to
>be a certain period of the day (or night) when it oscillates N-S and
>another period when it seems to prefer E-W?
>
>=95 Next-to-lastly, have you tried setting up the
>table/glass-top/jar/string/spring outside on the bare earth to see if there
>is any difference - either oscillating faster or slower, or in a definitely
>preferred direction and, if it contines to change direction, is the
>approximate time close to what it was when the setup was in the
>lab/house/garage/etc.?

NB.
Are you ready for this one... If I take the spring in the jar off the table=
 and place it under or near the table;
the spring stops oscillating. Now if the house or floor boards is/are moving=
 the spring should still move back and forward, correct ? Well nothing=
 happens. I have checked this device late at night/early morning an the=
 device never stops if it is on the table. While it is not on the glass=
 table the device stops oscillating in a very short time. So this confirms=
 the table has something very important to do with the energy pickup ?=
 Taking the table outside may not prove anything. I having not taken the=
 table outside because it requires two healthy blokes to lift the heavy=
 glass off the frame. The fact that it stops when its placed under/near the=
 table is a mystery in itself.=20

>=95 Lastly (and then I'll leave you alone) and only if you care to tell me,
>what city/state (in Australia) are you in or near? ... anywhere near Ayer's
>Rock or a geologic  "fault-line" that may run to or from it?

Ha ha... I don't know what Oularoo(Ayers Rock)  has to do with a scalar=
 detector, but I like your honest approach.
No I'm no where near any fault lines as such, or near Ayers Rock. Ayers Rock=
 is some 1000 kms away from my location.
Sounds like you may have visited Ayers Rock or plan to in the future ? I=
 live in Rockhampton , right square on the Tropic
of Capricorn on the east coast of OZ.

>Best regards and hope I didn't make a pest of myself ...
>
>Robert, the curious one ...
>

No problems Robert... ;)
G.D.Mutch
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NB. STAND for the total BAN of "Remote Electronic Harrassment by=
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	>? Next-to-lastly, have you tried setting up the
	>table/glass-top/jar/string/spring outside on the bare earth to
see if there
	>is any difference - either oscillating faster or slower, or in
a definitely
	>preferred direction and, if it contines to change direction, is
the
	>approximate time close to what it was when the setup was in the
	>lab/house/garage/etc.?

	NB.
	Are you ready for this one... If I take the spring in the jar
off the table and place it under or near the table;
	the spring stops oscillating. Now if the house or floor boards
is/are moving the spring should still move back and forward, correct ?
Well nothing happens. I have checked this device late at night/early
morning an the device never stops if it is on the table. While it is not
on the glass table the device stops oscillating in a very short time. So
this confirms the table has something very important to do with the
energy pickup ?

	It seems likely that by moving your spring/mass system off the
table (the table is nothing more than a very stiff spring) you've
effectively changed the natural frequency of your system.  A more
convincing experiment would be to leave your system on the glass table
and then change the natural frequency of the table.  This could be done
by adding weights to table's surface or better yet by using a different
glass table.  Then compare the frequency of oscillations before and
after the changes.

	Carlos Melendez  

	G.D.Mutch
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>Why do you post this stuff?

Why do you repeat it, obviously he's phuggin' idiot(!,?)

...gee, why do I bother? (hmmm)

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Hi Folks:

On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:

>>>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
>>>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
>>>       to a variety of reasons.... 


On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
judycole@spider.lloyd.com
Wrote:

>Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
>several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
>accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
>valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
>year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
>states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
>would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
>direction) the hum was alive and well.

>It was these two failures that
>established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
>power-related.

>Judy
>El Dorado, CA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
w7el@teleport.com <Roy Lewallen>
Wrote:

>This has been an interesting discussion, and seems to strengthen my thought 
>that there are a number of different phenomena that people are hearing. The 
>hum I hear cycles on and off, which doesn't seem to happen for the others 
>who read this group. I recently was canoeing in central British Columbia 
>and heard the hum there. The place I heard the hum was 20 km from any 
>electricity of any sort (from a small generator) and about 100 km from the 
>nearest small town. There are some big hydropower stations on the Frasier 
>river, but these were much farther away. So mains power seems unlikely as a 
>source for the hum I heard at that location.

>I've heard reports that some people hear a very low-frequency beat note on 
>the hum. This could be due to hearing hum of slightly different frequencies 
>from more than one source.

>Roy Lewallen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I find these reports from Judy Cole and Roy Lewallen very interesting indeed. 
When added to my own recent report of a similar occurrence when there was no 
electrical power available, this reinforces my opinion that what a lot of people 
are hearing is not *acoustic* at all, but a signal that is being received and is 
being interpreted by the brain as sound.

I am not the first person to imagine such a possibility.

So, folks, what the devil are we perceiving?
--------------------

I notice a lot of us are in the Northwest region of the United States: Judy Cole 
is from Northern California. Roy Lewallen is from Beaverton, Oregon. I am also 
from Beaverton, Oregon, but am presently working in the Aleutians again. And 
Denis Jackson is in Washington State.

You have all heard of the HAARP project until you are sick of it, I know. I am 
sick of it also, since even if that is "the" source, or "a" source, there isn't 
much one can do about it.

But, I have had some interesting inputs recently regarding this project that 
some might find a tad interesting.

#1. There are a lot of people in the Gakona (location of HAARP), Gulkana, 
Glennallen, and Copper Center communities of Alaska that are *absolutely* 
convinced that the government is up to *no good* with this project. These people 
do not believe *any* of the government explanations of what is going on or any 
of the publicized reasons for the project...High Altitude Auroral Research. 

They do not understand why the Department of Defense, one of the major funding 
agencies for the project, would be interested in the Aurora Borealis (Northern 
Lights). They also do not understand why HAARP is boiling the ionosphere.

I have heard these people's concerns explained away as: "The people living in 
those communities tend to be anti-government and non-conformist anyway. That is 
why they live in such remote places. They want to get away from it all."

Or, "They have 'far-out' ideas anyway, that's why they have dropped out of 
society." 

#2. A very interesting, totally unsolicited report, was related to me by a 
person who had once lived in the area. He said, "Yeah, I could tell every time 
they fired up that thing at HAARP. I would call a friend of mine who worked 
there and he would verify they had just powered up."

I asked, "How could you tell?"  

He said, "I could hear it! It sounded just like a diesel engine running. It was 
driving me crazy!"

This really amazed me. I went fishing for more and said, "Oh, that was probably 
just their generators running. They have a large Diesel generator plant there. 
They have the generators that were going to be used for the *Over the Horizon 
Radar* project that was scrapped."

He said, "Hell, I know that, but that's for emergency use.  They run off of 
commercial power most of the time."

The person I was talking to, is in the same line of work I am, Diesel Power 
Plant Operations and Maintenance. So, he knew what he was talking about.

This person had never heard of the Taos hum, and was not even familiar with any 
such problem or concept. I had never talked to him about any of this stuff. In 
fact, I had never talked to him about much of anything, as I worked with him for 
only one night and he left for parts unknown. I was his replacement here.
--------------------------

I am afraid I cannot report much on the hum problem here on Adak, Island. There 
is a definite hum problem all right, but I cannot sort it out, as so much of it 
is so *very* obviously from mechanical sources.

Our only source of electrical power is a very large oil fueled Diesel power 
plant, in which I work. Our houses are all heated with oil fired furnaces. There 
is a lot of various kinds of HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning) 
equipment running and lots of heavy equipment, trucks, bulldozers, front end 
loaders, fork lifts, etc., running at various times.

A couple of months ago we had a scheduled island wide power outage for 
maintenance purposes, during which I had hoped to check for hum, but they had 
small emergency generators running. I believe I caught some *hum* sound before 
they started running them, but I cannot be certain.

A lot of the "hum" I am perceiving here, I hear right through my ear plugs! The 
ear plugs cut out a lot of it, but there is still very definite, and very 
annoying "hum" present.  I can *feel* this sometimes, as well as *hear* it, even 
with my very good ear plugs in. I can also hear it with the insert type ear 
plugs in and a set of "Aural Protectors"...the ear-muff type, on. 

I can hear this hum, inside my house both day and night with these hearing 
protection inserts and muffs in place! Now, that's HUM!

Ha, as usual I have turned off all the stuff in the house, furnace, fans, 
refrigerator, etc. to see if it is still there. It is. Of course, as I said, it 
was there even during the power outage, when my entire house was dead!

So, there is a very definite "background hum" present here that is not stopped 
by any kind of hearing inhibitors.

Maybe someday we will find the source of non-acoustic "hum" and find ways to 
filter it out.

Also, in the meantime, perhaps we can convince our law makers that there is a 
very definite need for legislation that requires the  filtering and dampening of 
infrasound emissions from industrial sources, as well.

Best regards,

Oliver W. Jopling <juno@interserv.com>





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>On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:
>
>>>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
>>>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
>>>       to a variety of reasons....
>
>Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
>several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
>accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
>valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
>year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
>states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
>would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
>direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
>established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
>power-related.
>

Not neccesarily.  It seems to me that a power outage would not cause the
power plants to shut down, only the power consumers and transmission
systems.

-Micah
mparrish@cryogen.com

-Micah


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>
>From: AS <adsst27@pop.pitt.edu>
>Subject: Whoever's cutting hole's in the beast of lies is using a big knife..
>
>Last night or the night before a man claiming to have been discharged
>about a week ago from working at area 51 called in extremely upset and
>fearing for his life and gave testimony verifiying everything we've
>heard predicted about the grey's and their purpose, natural disasters,
>iron. mtn. gov. thinking, etc.  He's only on for a minute or two until
>he blurts out the "government want the major population centers to be
>wiped out so the few left will be more controllable" and art's satellite
>feeds are cut off and the call is lost..  The guy that called in was
>either 100% serious or up for an emmy..
>
>There is realaudio and a transcript about it as well as some HAARP stuff
>@
>http://members.aol.com/phikent/kent.htm
>...
>
>
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>
>From: AS <adsst27@pop.pitt.edu>
>Subject: Total surveillance
>
>
> Will We Be Under Total Surveillance? By: Charles Ostman
>
> Imagine a world in which every aspect of your life, past and present, is encrypted on a personal ID card and stored on a nationwide data base,  where virtually all communications media-soon to be 100% digital-are automatically monitored by computerized 
phone taps and satellites from control centers thousands of miles away. Where self-training neural net and artificial intelligence data search systems scan for undesirable life styles and target you for automatic monitoring.
>
>Personal privacy was once considered the most sacred of our constitutional rights; agencies were severely limited by law. All that's about to change drastically thanks to a deadly combination of extremely sophisticated surveillance technology, ubiquitous
 digital information collection, and centralized interagency data exchange.
>
> Until recently the "supersecret" National Reconnaissance Organization did not exist-even though it has the largest budget of any intelligence agency. They are responsible for the design, development and procurement of all US reconnaissance satellites an
d their continued management once in orbit. Recently photos have surfaced in the press of its huge new complex being completed in Chantilly, Virginia. (Senator John Warner-Lix Taylors ex-has described the one million square foot complex as a "Taj Mahal."
) The NRO is eagerly implementing such technologies as ultra-high storage capacity holographic films (allowing huge amounts of personal information to be present on your ID card) and self-training artificial intelligence software that tracks your personal
 data without human intervention. A new era of ubiquitous surveillance is dawning.
>
>A struggling military-industrial complex searching for new markets for their technologies has merged forces with a government obsessed with ever tighter control over the activities of the general public.  Congresswoman Barbara Jordan has proposed a "Nati
onal Employment Verification Card that will be required for all employment in the U.S. The card will, of course, have a magnetic data strip, and altering of counterfeiting the card will be a federal felony offense.
>
>There is a dedicated and aggressive effort underway to chart various genetic features as part of one's personal information set. The feds goal is to have the ability to screen individuals for everything from behavioral characteristics to sexual orientat
ion, based on genetic information embedded in your personal (and required) national ID card.
>
>Biometric signature technologies have been developing apace. There is even a technique available to translate human DNA into bar codes for efficient digital transmission between agencies.
>
>Are these science fiction story lines or the ravings of a paranoid lunatic? I wish they were. As a former research engineer at Lawrence Livermore Labs and other government labs, I watched some of these mad schemes being hatched. This technology is on the
 street today or about to leave the labs and believe me, it goes way beyond Orwell's worst nightmares. Listen up and hunker down.
>
>A fundamental shift in the legal definition of personal privacy is occurring right now. A court-issued warrant used to be a universal requirement for personal surveillance, such as phone tapping, observing physical papers, and probing financial or medica
l records. Now, in this new age of AI-driven monitoring and data tracking systems, there are no pesky people in the loop.  A computer doesn't need to seek a court warrant to monitor every aspect of your private life. A self-training automated surveillance
 system doesn't need permission to observe your movements or communications.
>
>Total data tracking is already commonplace for financial institutions and private security operations. Tomorrow, it will be commonplace for all of us. The technical elements of a massive surveillance engine are inplane. It's just a matter of turning the 
key to fire it up. Let's examine these elements and why you should be concerned.
>
>Universal Encryption Chip
>
>Is sounds logical. The feds want to preserve privacy, so their story goes, so they've announced that an encryption chip will go into all phones and computers that they buy. But what do they really want in the long run?
>
> How about a government-issue encryption chip in all personal computers and communication devices? That way, the feds can deal with drug smugglers, terrorists, kiddy porn merchants, and other miscreants who use encoded messages.
>
>Of course, they'd have to prevent tampering with the chip. In fact, the technology to do just that has already been developed at Sandia National Laboratory. Scientists there have developed an optical sensor that uses a powdered silicon optical absorption
 layer in an optical wave guide embedded in a chip. A micro photodetector detects even the slightest intrusion into the chip package by measuring a slight change in the photonic conduction through the waveguide. It can then send an alert via modem to acen
tral monitoring system to notify an interested party that the device has been tampered with. Sandia is also developing a microchemical intrusion detector that would be sensitive to the chemical signature of human fingertips.
>
>Is this all part of some master plan, or what?
>
>In fact, in the near future, all encryption hardware and software will be subject to federal registration/authorization. Possession of unauthorized encryption/decryption capability will be punishable as a federal felony.  In other words, if it doesn't ha
ve a handy back door for NSA snoops, it aint legal.
>
>We can further speculate that the feds will embed chips in all equipment sold for use in data transmission, digital phone calls and all other frequencies. Note: all new phone systems wired and wireless will be digital in the next three years.
>
>Intelligent Video
>
>Nor would you know what's watching you. Security cameras are becoming standard in corporate and government facilities. They may soon even be required. Why? Ostensibly because they want to recover losses in cases of theft, keep insurance premiums down, mo
nitor petulant employees and keep intruders out.
>
>But the new genre of video cameras now coming out of the labs do a lot more than that. They're intelligent. They can recognize faces, motion, and other interesting characteristics. In fact, they behave a lot like a human eye, with intelligent preprocesso
r abilities.
>
>Intelligent cameras are needed because a security guard or cop can't monitor the dozens or hundreds of video cameras in a large facility(or dozens of satellite video surveillance channels). Intelligent cameras use artificial intelligence-based object and
 motion recognition. They scan for what a trained security guard looks for: certain motions, clothing, faces; the presence of people in off-limits places. Instead of watching 100 cameras, only a few at any time send pictures. A single guard or a computer 
can deal with that.
>
>In fact, a steady data stream from multiple intelligent cameras can be uploaded to computerized monitoring facilities anywhere, coupled with other automated observation systems.
>
>The next big thing in intelligent cameras will be content-addressable" imagery. That means they'll automatically detect the content of sophisticated patterns, like a specific person's face, by matching it against a digital "wanted" poster, say. New soft
ware that can even run on cheap personal computers makes that possible. MatchMaker from Iterated Systems (Norcross, GA), for example, uses a fractal algorithm that converts image data into mathematical form, automatically recognizing and categorizing real
time "targets"-untouched by human hands and tied into a centralized monitoring facility!
>
>A related technology called focal plane array sensors (FPA)discriminates objects at just about any distance. FPA makes it possible to use neuromorphic sensors, modeled biologically on the human eye, which are built into a camera to recognize a person or 
object by "associative cognition."
>
>Carver Mead at Cal Tech has designed a broad-spectrum "human-eye sensor using FPAs and 3D artificial neural network processors. To prove the viability of such concepts, Raytheon, under contract with the Guided Interceptor Branch of the Air Force at Elgi
n AFB, has developed "smart eyes" using FPAs for recognizing objects in flight, thus relieving the pilot of visual target recognition tasks while in a high-pressure combat situation.
>
>This technology is inexpensive, easily reproducible, and will be part of standard equipment for fully automated, on-site visual and infrared surveillance in the near future.
>
>Langley Research Center (Hampton, VA) in conjunction with Telerobotics International (Knoxcille, TN) is taking a step further. Theyre developing an advanced surveillance camera system that's even more intelligent:  it uses self-aiming and analyzes motio
n or other parameters. A fisheye spherical lens views a very wide field of vision while a self-contained image processing subsystem tracks several moving targets at once in real time. Video for suspect targets can be transmitted in real time to a security
 center.
>
>These smart cameras are also getting incredibly tiny and low cost. The Imputer from VLSI Vision Ltd. (Edinburgh, Scotland) is a credit card-sized device that fits in the palm of your hand. It consists of a complete CCD video camera mounted on a circuit b
oard plus an on-board DSP (digital signal processing) coprocessor for real-time image enhancement, feature detection, correlation and convolution (for fast analysis on the fly), and even an optional library of pre-stored feature data so that the camera ca
n independently recognize a specific face or other security-oriented data. It can also download its captured visual data via telephone line to a data collection and processing facility.
>
>With everything on a few chips, intelligent cameras can now be mass-manufactured like pocket radios. No need for security personnel-they can be linked to a computer surveillance monitoring and data base system.
>
>This is where it gets really insidious. When the technology becomes so cheap, tiny, and powerful, and no guards are needed, they can sprinkle these things around like corn chips...secretly putting them on every street corner, in every waiting room, offic
e, wherever.
>
>Keep smiling, because you'll never know when you're on candid camera.  And hey, relax, they've just captured your surfaces.
>
>Where it really starts to get hairy is when we enter the brave new world of Biometrics. Biometrics is the process of gathering biological information and converting it into data that can be uploaded into automated systems for identifying you.
>
>They can use your fingerprint (via automated finger print identification systems), retinal scan, voice or other personal signatures. Miros of Wellesley, MA has recently introduced a system called Face-to-Face, using neural nets, that is particularly insi
dious. Unlike fingerprint or palm recognition, it identifies your face "non-intrusively" (thats techno speak for surreptitiously) with 99% recognition. It can even identify your face when you add glasses or change your hairstyle.
>
>There are biometric service bureaus like TRW that provide immediateaccess to personal dossier information to prisons, banks, military bases, research facilities, pharmaceutical companies, etc. The client simply installs a retinal scanner or other device 
and transmits your image to a service bureau, which sends back your complete dossier. This is big business for these service bureaus. We're talking billions in government and corporate contracts.
>
>What's next? We can expect intelligent scanning systems will be installed in supermarket checkout lines, lobbies, airports, stores, ATM sites, and so on in the near future. Known shoplifters will be tracked from the time they walk into the store. There'l
l be a cordon sanitaire around playgrounds and day care centers.
>
> What happens when the FBI ties its fingerprint verification system at its National Criminal Information Center, with its library of over 250,000 fingerprints, into the national health care card system, employment ID card, IRS, and just about everything 
else?
>
>Resources
>
>Who Owns Information? From Privacy to Public Access, Anne Wells Branscomb, Basic Books, 1994.
>
>Deep Black: Space Espionage and National Security, William E. Burrows, Random House, New York, 1986.
>
>The Electronic Eye-The Rise of Surveillance Society, David Lyon, University of Minnesota Press, 1994.
>
>Tuning In to Scanning-From Police to Satellite Bands, Bob Kay, TABBooks, 1994. How to listen in on cordless telephones, military, FBI, Secret Service, and NASA communications.
>
>Undercover: Police Surveillance in America, Gary T. Marx, University of California Press, 1988.
>
>Privacy for Sale: How Computerization Has Made Everyone's Private Life an Open Secret, Jeffrey Rothfeder, Simon and Schuster, 1992.
>
>America's Secret Eyes in Space: The U.S. Keyhole Spy Satellite Program, Jeffrey T. Richelson, Harper & Row, 1990
>
>Hobbyist's Guide to COMINT Collection and Analysis, Tom Roach, 1330 Copper Peak Lane, San Jose, CA 95120-4271; DIY dirty NSA-style tricks.
>
>Electronic Surveillance Manual, U.S. Dept. of Justice, Criminal Division, Office of Enforcement Operations, 1991.
>
>This article was originally published in the magazine Mondo 2000, and has been reprinted with their kind permission.
>
>
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>From: AS <adsst27@pop.pitt.edu>
>Subject: Transcript of A. Bell
>
>Here's the transcript.. it included Art's testimony at the bottom that's
>not in the clips:
>
>
>
>The following is a verbatim transcript from last night's Art Bell Show
>at approximately 1:45 A.M. Friday Sept. 12, 1997 (2:35:42 RealAudio elapsed
>
>time, http://ww2.audionet.com/artbell/archive.html#sept97):
>
>Art: On my Area 51 line, you're on the air, hello.
>
>Male caller: Hello, Art?
>
>Art: Yes
>
>Caller [sounds frightened]: I don't have a whole lot of time.
>
>Art: Well, look, let's begin by finding out if you're using this line
>properly or not.
>
>Caller: OK, in Area 51?
>
>Art: Yes. Are you an employee or are you now?
>
>Caller: I'm a former employee. I, I was let go on a medical
>discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I kind of been running
>across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're
>gonna, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.
>
>Art: So you can't spend a lot of time on the phone, so give us something
>quick.
>
>Caller [voice breaking up with apparent suppressed crying]: OK, um, um,
>OK, what we're thinking of as aliens, Art, they're extradimensional beings,
>that, an earlier precursor of the space program they made contact with.
>They are not what they claim to be. They've infiltrated a lot of aspects
>
>of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.
>
>The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the
>government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this
>world that they could begin moving the population to now, Art.
>
>Art: So they're not doing, not doing anything.
>
>Caller: They are not. They want those major population centers wiped out
>so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable...."
>
>Art [fragment]: ...discharged...
>
>Caller [sobbing, then fragment]: I say we g ....
>
>[Dead air for 25 seconds, followed by theme song and repeat of Mark
>Fuhrman interview talking about marijuana busts]
>
>[2:29:43 elapsed time] Art: We are now on a backup system....The entire
>transmitting system went down...
>
>Art's radio network engineer later reported that the network's
>communication satellite lost 50 channels (including Art's feed) at that
>moment, possibly due to a "lost earth sensor" (so it no longer pointed
>to the earth station).
>
>Art reported that the telephone conversation continued off the air for
>about a minute, when the caller "screamed" and "screeched" and the
>telephone connection went dead. Art also reported that his Web site
>registered 5 million hits just after the outage.
>
>Later, a Tucson caller who he said worked for Hughes (which Art said
>supplies microwave systems to Area 51) reported that his computer memory
>
>and electronic watch were zapped at the same time that the broadcast
>went dead, and suggested both events may have been caused by a
>cloud-reflected EMP (electromagnetic pulse, which are created by nuclear explosions or by special EMP generator).
>
>A caller claiming he was with Area 51 security said: "[We're]
>Professional cleaners, you know they dig a lot of holes in the desert...I use a lot
>of acid....We worked with satellite operations in the Gulf War when we cut
>down certain transmissions...." He predicted the caller would not be
>calling in again.
>
>
>
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Did anyone else note an EMP-like effect (malfunctions or damage to 
computers, calculators, watches, VCRs, modems, and other electronic 
devices) at approximately 1:45 A.M. PDT Friday morning? If so, what 
was the damage and what is your location? 

In a message posted to other lists, I said: 

>>  Art also reported that his Web site registered 5 million hits just
after the outage.

Skip Regan <skip@headsongs.com> comments on the BIOWAR list:

>To clarify, Art said it was pushed over the five million hits for the year 
>mark, not that he got 5 million hits after the call.

>> Did anyone else note an EMP-like effect?

>Several callers seemed to be suggesting that Art's studio was 'pulsed', but 
>that obviously wasn't the case, since he reported no damage to any of his
vast array
>of digital equipment.  

Agreed. It was 01:45 A.M. PST Friday morning 9/12/97, by the way, to answer
Donna's (RevCOAL <revcoal@connix.com>) question on SNET.

>From what I understand about EMP, it does physical 
>damage to electronic equipment, not just erase harddisks or reset their
watch as
>on caller reported happened to him in Tuscon.  

At a distance from the source and footprint (beam direction), 
there would be a region of marginal effects as the received signal level
falls off.

> If there was some kind of EMP
>pulse that destroyed lots of equipment or even just erased harddrives in a
wide 
>area we would heard something about all the resultant problems that would
create, 
>I'd expect. 

Right, but it would probably not be over a wide area. Yes, a nuclear
detonation would 
generate an omnidirectional EMP pulse (do we know of any indications of such 
an event, BTW?), but with "E bombs" (see The Electromagnetic 
Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction, 
<http://www.cdsar.af.mil/kopp/apjemp.html> -- thanks to Charles Petras for
that
 URL), the footprint is highly directional for efficiency and tactical
reasons, 
although existing technology is only effective at a range of hundreds of
meters
(at least as per the unclassified literature). An E bomb would require an 
anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon in orbit within range of the GE-1 satellite
(anybody
want to check MIR and GE-1 coordinates just for fun?). I don't know how an 
ASAT EMP weapon could affect devices on the ground 22,000 + miles away, 
unless some ground device in the Tucson area fired simultaneously for some 
strange reason (just to throw us off the trail?). How far is Tucson from
Kirkland
AFB in N. Mexico, where they test HPM (high power microwave) EMP 
weapons?

By the way, Diane ("d. linen" <linen@flash.net>) suggested: 
"If the station was hit by an EMP, then it was more likely a 'hit' from
HAARP." 

Not possible. HAARP is designed to concentrate energy in
the ionosphere (60 to 200 miles up), which could not reflect
sufficient signal strength to induce a high voltage in a ground-based station 
(or a comm satellite in geosynchronous orbit 22,000 + miles high either).
The reason is that the ionosphere can't reflect the energy
in a concentrated beam down to earth and also at HAARP's longer 
wavelengths (over 30 meters, vs. centimeters or millimeters for 
microwave), you can't focus a narrow beam of energy. That's
why current EMP weapons use microwave frequencies instead of
of HF (as in HAARP). 

>It also seems unlikely that the satellite was 'pulsed'.  It's an extremely 
>expensive piece of equipment.  It would be far easier for those in control
to make 
>a call to someone at GE (who owns the satellite and is a major defense
contractor) 
>and have them throw the appropriate switch to cut off the uplink.

Right, but if this is an ASAT war game, that would not be an option. We could
be in the middle of an infowar right now, perhaps connected with the three
aircraft
sent to jam Bosnian TV and radio stations (why -- because they're revealing
something
someone doesn't want known?) and the latest mad Star Wars plan to zap an old
Air Force satellite using a ground-based laser at White Sands, which could
lead
to a whole new space war race. Or the Russkies or Chinese or whoever could be 
fiddling with us....
   
>> 2. How unusual is this type of communications satellite outage?

>According to someone at GE, the satellite got misaligned even though only 50
>of a total of 200 connections were disrupted.  According to Art Bell, he's
never 
>even heard of this kind satellite problem in 30 years of broadcasting.

>It's an interesting suggestion that it was a staged psych-ops event, Wes.
I'm 
>not exactly sure what kind of useful data the 'event' would actually
provide, 
>though.  Surely, they don't need to test their ability to turn off a
satellite 
>feed in such an obvious way.

What useful data did MKULTRA provide? The Nazi mad scientists
(you know, the ones Phil Corso brought over) that mastermind these mass 
experiments are still on the loose and perhaps on a larger, more subtle
scale, 
since the CIA's MKULTRA mind-control research was simply refunneled 
into private contractors (just like MKNAOMI disappeared into the 
biotech industry, emerging as Gulf War illness, AIDS, and Ebola).

Of course, we don't know their possible war-game scenario. If it's a psyop, 
then it's not just a technical test of zapping a satellite, but a whole
psychosocial 
experiment, of which we may be a part right now! Ever think about the 
possibility that the ARPA-funded Internet is actually a giant longitudinal
psychosocial engineering experiment? So who's watching? <PARANOIA OFF>

>Whatever it was, that whole thing really creeped me out.   Although, the 
>caller's claims seemed too bizarre to be believed, my gut impression was that
>he was sincere.  Was he just deluded? (He did claim to have been medically 
>discharged)  Was he just a gifted actor?  Was the satellite problem, just a 
>coincidence? My bet is we'll never know (unless the caller was telling the
truth!),
>but I sure as hell won't ever forget that call.

A psychic friend of mine believes that the caller was the same person as that
"Security" guy from Area 51 in the following call. How hard would it
be for the NSA to control calls into Pahrump? 

Angels don't play these games.

- Wes

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Hi Folks:

On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:15:45 -0600
Micah Parrish <mparrish@cryogen.com>
Re: Hum-source silenced
Wrote:

>>On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:
>>
>>>>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
>>>>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
>>>>       to a variety of reasons....
>>
>>Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
>>several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
>>accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
>>valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
>>year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
>>states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
>>would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
>>direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
>>established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
>>power-related.
>

>Not necessarily.  It seems to me that a power outage would not cause the
>power plants to shut down, only the power consumers and transmission
>systems.

>-Micah
>mparrish@cryogen.com

If I may presume to butt in here:

Although Denis is referring to a *total* shutdown of the power plant due to an 
explosion, this is the second time Ms. Cole has posted this situation regarding 
the power outage in her area, and the point she is making is, since the lines 
are de-energized, there is no *distributed* "hum" that may be due to the 
magnetic fields of the power lines themselves, or whatever loads are connected.

During a power outage the prime movers and generators are most likely still 
running, so one *would* still hear the *mechanically produced acoustic hum* from 
this equipment.

But, this would not matter much unless the power plant is in your back yard 
(most likely, that is) and, unless it is a plant that is similar in design to 
the one Denis is referring to, which was described in a posting by Anders on 
Wed, 10 Sep 1997 @10:22:00 (same subject).

You would not find this type of power plant in the area of California in which 
Ms. Cole lives.

Regards,

Oliver<juno@interserv.com>

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    =20
     I think it is documented that HAARP type transmissions can be heard=20
     and measured as acoustic sound.
    =20
     This is not so strange. HAARp type transmissions heat the outer=20
     atmosphere and make it expand and contract. HiFi freaks know plasma=20
     loudspeakers, where the sound is generated by HAARP type transmissi=
ons=20
     in your living room. Such loudspeakers have a nice sound, but they =

     have a bad smell. The ionized air smells. The loudspeakers are also =

     expensive.
    =20
     If I remember correctly somebody once played a Wagner opera using a =

     HAARP transmitter, and all around the north pole people could hear =
the=20
     opera from the heavens.
    =20
     So it ought be be possible to generate low frequency sound or=20
     infrasound, for example of the diesel engine type. Such sound would=
 be=20
     pervasive, would penetrate houses and most earplugs, and would by s=
ome=20
     be interpreted as non-acoustic.
    =20
     I am not convinced that all hum is acoustic, but one should not=20
     discard the possibility that a particular hum is acoustic too rapid=
ly.=20
     That it penetrates ear plugs is for example no convincing argument =

     that it is not acoustic.
    =20
     Other interesting possibilities would be=20
     * seismic waves from underground military installations
     * submarine communications with soundwaves in the depths of the=20
     Pacific Ocean
     * scalar waves/gravity waves or similar little known waves, the=20
     existence of which is disputed.
    =20
     Regards, Anders

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judycole@spider.lloyd.com wrote:
> 
> On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:
> 
> >>       I wonder if other hum hearers have had relief when the power
> >>       goes out in the area's they live in....? As often happens due
> >>       to a variety of reasons....
> 
> Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
> several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
> accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
> valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
> year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
> states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
> would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
> direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
> established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
> power-related.
   
Where are you located Judy?   The general area?


  Judy  ----
     I agree with you the earth based hum  of 7.83Hz from the Earth's
based natural electromagnetic field is experienced by many people
worldwide. Usually in quite places far from the electrified world,
caves, country basements of deserted house, etc... Unless this natural
frequency is magnified most people sensitive to it do not have problem
with it. Some in fact find it soothing. However, when this same
frequency is combined and mixed with a variety of other man-made
electronic, sonic, sub-sonic, ultra-sonic, ELF, HAARP, power generators,
microwave communications systems, Over-the-Horizon radars, etc...
The possibilities to various sensitive humans can become staggering...
The sensitive amoung us are the canaries in the electro-magnetic coal
mine and what you can't see these days can not only harm you, it can
kill you.
                     Denis
                                                                        


> 
> Judy
> El Dorado, CA

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 .......................
Yes, I did see that entire show.  The closing speech was absolutely stunning.
Again, the studied brutality was right up front.  The prominence of the 
militaristic was there, representing the military as those who lust for the
peculiar freedom of the individual in war to be STUDIOUSLY CASUAL in his
murders, and to "crow" over his victim as he murders.

I was surprised to hear magnetic motors mentioned in the closing speech.

It is noteworthy that the Indians, quite capable with the nature in their
Shamanistic skills and union with Godness as well as sled dogs, also kept 
a gasoline powered sled for emergencies, but buried and obviously for 
the most severe emergency.  They were forced to use a gasoline powered
vehicle to help them to contend with the Oil Company.

I do hope that the movie will get across to those of us who saw it that
which I have been trying to get across forever, that USA is incredibly 
brutal, murderous, cold, savage, cruel, beastly, conspiratorial, heartless,
vicious, malignant.  Each of us is as an ant at an Oligarchic Picnic.
It is the result of each saying it is okay to be just as described above,
but to the dark, to the "other guy" to the Third World, etc.  Now, it is
OUR turn, collectively, since we have to deal with global counterparts --
other "Top Species" who are actually afraid of us because of our numbers,
for one, and because of our violence, which violence will be turned 
against us so that it cancels itself out with its reduction of our numbers.

Skepticism, doubt, hesitation, ignorance, These are the arsenal of the
gun-toting overlords who casually plan the murder of five billions who
passively await this consequence of hatred for no reason, as the Rabbis 
like to phrase it.

Clearly, a kind of TRANSFERENCE was effected between some elements of
the Orion Group and this species.

........................zeropoint

From: Al Overholt
Subject: Re: Whoever's cutting hole's in the beast of lies is using a bigknife..

Did anyone watch the movie "On Deadly Ground" On NBC Sat. evening 9/13?
It was about a big oil company trying to get a deadline to get an
oil production facility in operation by a certain deadline or the rights
to the property would revert to the native Alaskan Indians.
It tells about the rotten methods of money and greed at any cost.
The highly interesting part was a speech given at the very end that tells
how the Elite are covering up all kinds of things--such as the fact that
after oil is pumped out they pump all kinds of hazardous materials into the
well.  And how they are dumping all kinds of wastes into the oceans.  The 
unimaginable amounts of oil spells into the oceans and waterways.
Even the fact that they have hidden all kinds of CLEAN energy devices for
years.  Also they have taken 100s of high mileage carburetors off the market,
etc. and it's time we did something about it.
Can you imagine this on primetime NBC?  WE are making headway!!  Keep up
the good works--all of you. 
AL



t 10:58 PM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote:


From: AS 
Subject: Whoever's cutting hole's in the beast of lies is using a big knife..

Last night or the night before a man claiming to have been discharged
about a week ago from working at area 51 called in extremely upset and
fearing for his life and gave testimony verifiying everything we've
heard predicted about the grey's and their purpose, natural disasters,
iron. mtn. gov. thinking, etc.  He's only on for a minute or two until
he blurts out the "government want the major population centers to be
wiped out so the few left will be more controllable" and art's satellite
feeds are cut off and the call is lost..  The guy that called in was
either 100% serious or up for an emmy..

There is realaudio and a transcript about it as well as some HAARP stuff
@
http://members.aol.com/phikent/kent.htm
...


From: AS 
Subject: Transcript of A. Bell

Here's the transcript.. it included Art's testimony at the bottom that's
not in the clips:



The following is a verbatim transcript from last night's Art Bell Show
at approximately 1:45 A.M. Friday Sept. 12, 1997 (2:35:42 RealAudio elapsed

time, http://ww2.audionet.com/artbell/archive.html#sept97):

Art: On my Area 51 line, you're on the air, hello.

Male caller: Hello, Art?

Art: Yes

Caller [sounds frightened]: I don't have a whole lot of time.

Art: Well, look, let's begin by finding out if you're using this line
properly or not.

Caller: OK, in Area 51?

Art: Yes. Are you an employee or are you now?

Caller: I'm a former employee. I, I was let go on a medical
discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I kind of been running
across the country. Damn, I don't know where to start, they're, they're
gonna, they'll triangulate on this position really soon.

Art: So you can't spend a lot of time on the phone, so give us something
quick.

Caller [voice breaking up with apparent suppressed crying]: OK, um, um,
OK, what we're thinking of as aliens, Art, they're extradimensional beings,
that, an earlier precursor of the space program they made contact with.
They are not what they claim to be. They've infiltrated a lot of aspects

of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51.

The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I'm sorry, the
government knows about them. And there's a lot of safe areas in this
world that they could begin moving the population to now, Art.

Art: So they're not doing, not doing anything.

Caller: They are not. They want those major population centers wiped out
so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable...."

Art [fragment]: ...discharged...

Caller [sobbing, then fragment]: I say we g ....

[Dead air for 25 seconds, followed by theme song and repeat of Mark
Fuhrman interview talking about marijuana busts]

[2:29:43 elapsed time] Art: We are now on a backup system....The entire
transmitting system went down...

Art's radio network engineer later reported that the network's
communication satellite lost 50 channels (including Art's feed) at that
moment, possibly due to a "lost earth sensor" (so it no longer pointed
to the earth station).

Art reported that the telephone conversation continued off the air for
about a minute, when the caller "screamed" and "screeched" and the
telephone connection went dead. Art also reported that his Web site
registered 5 million hits just after the outage.

Later, a Tucson caller who he said worked for Hughes (which Art said
supplies microwave systems to Area 51) reported that his computer memory

and electronic watch were zapped at the same time that the broadcast
went dead, and suggested both events may have been caused by a
cloud-reflected EMP (electromagnetic pulse, which are created by nuclear explosions or by special EMP generator).

A caller claiming he was with Area 51 security said: "[We're]
Professional cleaners, you know they dig a lot of holes in the desert...I use a lot
of acid....We worked with satellite operations in the Gulf War when we cut
down certain transmissions...." He predicted the caller would not be
calling in again.





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 Did anyone else note an EMP-like effect (malfunctions or damage to 
computers, calculators, watches, VCRs, modems, and other electronic 
devices) at approximately 1:45 A.M. PDT Friday morning? If so, what 
was the damage and what is your location? 

In a message posted to other lists, I said: 

>>  Art also reported that his Web site registered 5 million hits just
after the outage.

Skip Regan <skip@headsongs.com> comments on the BIOWAR list:

>To clarify, Art said it was pushed over the five million hits for the year 
>mark, not that he got 5 million hits after the call.

>> Did anyone else note an EMP-like effect?

>Several callers seemed to be suggesting that Art's studio was 'pulsed', but 
>that obviously wasn't the case, since he reported no damage to any of his
vast array
>of digital equipment.  

Agreed. It was 01:45 A.M. PST Friday morning 9/12/97, by the way, to answer
Donna's (RevCOAL <revcoal@connix.com>) question on SNET.

>From what I understand about EMP, it does physical 
>damage to electronic equipment, not just erase harddisks or reset their
watch as
>on caller reported happened to him in Tuscon.  

At a distance from the source and footprint (beam direction), 
there would be a region of marginal effects as the received signal level
falls off.

> If there was some kind of EMP
>pulse that destroyed lots of equipment or even just erased harddrives in a
wide 
>area we would heard something about all the resultant problems that would
create, 
>I'd expect. 

Right, but it would probably not be over a wide area. Yes, a nuclear
detonation would 
generate an omnidirectional EMP pulse (do we know of any indications of such 
an event, BTW?), but with "E bombs" (see The Electromagnetic 
Bomb - a Weapon of Electrical Mass Destruction, 
<http://www.cdsar.af.mil/kopp/apjemp.html> -- thanks to Charles Petras for
that
 URL), the footprint is highly directional for efficiency and tactical
reasons, 
although existing technology is only effective at a range of hundreds of
meters
(at least as per the unclassified literature). An E bomb would require an 
anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon in orbit within range of the GE-1 satellite
(anybody
want to check MIR and GE-1 coordinates just for fun?). I don't know how an 
ASAT EMP weapon could affect devices on the ground 22,000 + miles away, 
unless some ground device in the Tucson area fired simultaneously for some 
strange reason (just to throw us off the trail?). How far is Tucson from
Kirkland
AFB in N. Mexico, where they test HPM (high power microwave) EMP 
weapons?

By the way, Diane ("d. linen" <linen@flash.net>) suggested: 
"If the station was hit by an EMP, then it was more likely a 'hit' from
HAARP." 

Not possible. HAARP is designed to concentrate energy in
the ionosphere (60 to 200 miles up), which could not reflect
sufficient signal strength to induce a high voltage in a ground-based station 
(or a comm satellite in geosynchronous orbit 22,000 + miles high either).
The reason is that the ionosphere can't reflect the energy
in a concentrated beam down to earth and also at HAARP's longer 
wavelengths (over 30 meters, vs. centimeters or millimeters for 
microwave), you can't focus a narrow beam of energy. That's
why current EMP weapons use microwave frequencies instead of
of HF (as in HAARP). 

>It also seems unlikely that the satellite was 'pulsed'.  It's an extremely 
>expensive piece of equipment.  It would be far easier for those in control
to make 
>a call to someone at GE (who owns the satellite and is a major defense
contractor) 
>and have them throw the appropriate switch to cut off the uplink.

Right, but if this is an ASAT war game, that would not be an option. We could
be in the middle of an infowar right now, perhaps connected with the three
aircraft
sent to jam Bosnian TV and radio stations (why -- because they're revealing
something
someone doesn't want known?) and the latest mad Star Wars plan to zap an old
Air Force satellite using a ground-based laser at White Sands, which could
lead
to a whole new space war race. Or the Russkies or Chinese or whoever could be 
fiddling with us....
   
>> 2. How unusual is this type of communications satellite outage?

>According to someone at GE, the satellite got misaligned even though only 50
>of a total of 200 connections were disrupted.  According to Art Bell, he's
never 
>even heard of this kind satellite problem in 30 years of broadcasting.

>It's an interesting suggestion that it was a staged psych-ops event, Wes.
I'm 
>not exactly sure what kind of useful data the 'event' would actually
provide, 
>though.  Surely, they don't need to test their ability to turn off a
satellite 
>feed in such an obvious way.

What useful data did MKULTRA provide? The Nazi mad scientists
(you know, the ones Phil Corso brought over) that mastermind these mass 
experiments are still on the loose and perhaps on a larger, more subtle
scale, 
since the CIA's MKULTRA mind-control research was simply refunneled 
into private contractors (just like MKNAOMI disappeared into the 
biotech industry, emerging as Gulf War illness, AIDS, and Ebola).

Of course, we don't know their possible war-game scenario. If it's a psyop, 
then it's not just a technical test of zapping a satellite, but a whole
psychosocial 
experiment, of which we may be a part right now! Ever think about the 
possibility that the ARPA-funded Internet is actually a giant longitudinal
psychosocial engineering experiment? So who's watching? <PARANOIA OFF>

>Whatever it was, that whole thing really creeped me out.   Although, the 
>caller's claims seemed too bizarre to be believed, my gut impression was that
>he was sincere.  Was he just deluded? (He did claim to have been medically 
>discharged)  Was he just a gifted actor?  Was the satellite problem, just a 
>coincidence? My bet is we'll never know (unless the caller was telling the
truth!),
>but I sure as hell won't ever forget that call.

A psychic friend of mine believes that the caller was the same person as that
"Security" guy from Area 51 in the following call. How hard would it
be for the NSA to control calls into Pahrump? 

Angels don't play these games.

- Wes


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At 10:26 14/09/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Folks:
>
>On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:15:45 -0600
>Micah Parrish <mparrish@cryogen.com>
>Re: Hum-source silenced
>Wrote:
>
>>>On 9/10/97 Denis Jackson wrote:
>>-Micah
>>mparrish@cryogen.com
>
>If I may presume to butt in here:
>
>Although Denis is referring to a *total* shutdown of the power plant due to an 
>explosion, this is the second time Ms. Cole has posted this situation regarding 
>the power outage in her area, and the point she is making is, since the lines 
>are de-energized, there is no *distributed* "hum" that may be due to the 
>magnetic fields of the power lines themselves, or whatever loads are connected.
>

I've worked around high-tension power sub-stations... While in these substations there is no hum
,not any at all. The sub-station has two main rails one at 66 kvolts an another at 123kvolts.
The transformers put out a 50hz hum that is heard quite clearly in some sections of the yard
but not all. The neural hum was not heard while inside these sub stations. While I was working in the sub-station there was a noticeable increasing incidence of low flight aircraft, they were the same two or three aircraft doing the same directional fligh
t path at around the same time every day.  The flight path took in very low flight directly over the sub-yard. I therefore conclude from this that the trace signal they are using on myself cannot work inside intense electric/magnetic fields. I therefore c
onclude that the low flight of the aircraft was to add in visual identification of my person.
I offer the above information in hope that someone can benefit from this information.  Even 
though I know the ELF(evil little fellows) will benefit as well. 

The things bored little people do to amuse themselves... I wonder if the (ELF) race off an masturbate each day over a job well done. They are all lossed in their little games. For that is
all it is: a  little ego game that pales into nothingness when compared to the marvels of the cosmos.
If they would only spend all that energy on creation instead of control/destruction, image the marvelous world we would have.

>During a power outage the prime movers and generators are most likely still 
>running, so one *would* still hear the *mechanically produced acoustic hum* from 
>this equipment.
>
>But, this would not matter much unless the power plant is in your back yard 
>(most likely, that is) and, unless it is a plant that is similar in design to 
>the one Denis is referring to, which was described in a posting by Anders on 
>Wed, 10 Sep 1997 @10:22:00 (same subject).
>
>You would not find this type of power plant in the area of California in which 
>Ms. Cole lives.
>
>Regards,
>
>Oliver<juno@interserv.com>


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At 02:04 PM 9/14/97 -0700, ticn@olypen.com wrote:During that giant failure
(which also
>> would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
>> direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
>> established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
>> power-related.
>   
>Where are you located Judy?   The general area?

I am located in El Dorado, CA, about 70 miles west southwest of Lake Tahoe
in the Sierras.  The closest industry is in Sacramento (about 40 miles west
of us).  I don't know where we get our power.  There are a some
hydroelectric facilities here in the mountains, apparently, but I don't
think they are anywhere close to us.  I don't personally know of any at all.
We are several miles from the South Fork of the American River, which is the
closest river to us.  You could describe my general area as rural/wilderness.

The "noisemakers" I was referring to above would have been the everyday
ordinary businesses, equipment, and appliances which rely on electric power
to run and where emergency generator power is not available. And I mentioned
that for the people who would try to assure the hummers that we are hearing
a power hum or appliance hum in our  homes.  It is reported here that PG&E
gets a large volume of calls to check out homes of people who hear the hum,
and nothing is ever found. If the hum were an acoustic hum or noise
pollution, I would think it would have stopped or at least diminished during
the failure. There is no sound from anything except birds, insects, animals,
and the elements where I live; at least there wasn't before the hum.

Judy 

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>>>Since I started hearing the hum there have been two major power failures and
>>>several small ones.  The first regional failure occurred when a auto
>>>accident took out a pole four miles away on the main trunk and our entire
>>>valley (plus how far?) remained without power for hours.  The second one, a
>>>year or so ago I think, was a widespread failure that involved eight western
>>>states, which you might remember.  During that giant failure (which also
>>>would have taken out many, many "noisemakers" for hundreds of miles in any
>>>direction) the hum was alive and well.  It was these two failures that
>>>established and then confirmed the fact that the hum I hear is not
>>>power-related.
>>
>
>>Not necessarily.  It seems to me that a power outage would not cause the
>>power plants to shut down, only the power consumers and transmission
>>systems.
>
>>-Micah
>>mparrish@cryogen.com
>
>If I may presume to butt in here:
>
>Although Denis is referring to a *total* shutdown of the power plant due
>to an
>explosion, this is the second time Ms. Cole has posted this situation
>regarding
>the power outage in her area, and the point she is making is, since the lines
>are de-energized, there is no *distributed* "hum" that may be due to the
>magnetic fields of the power lines themselves, or whatever loads are
>connected.

>During a power outage the prime movers and generators are most likely still
>running, so one *would* still hear the *mechanically produced acoustic
>hum* from
>this equipment.

Exactly the clarification I was trying to make.

>But, this would not matter much unless the power plant is in your back yard
>(most likely, that is) and, unless it is a plant that is similar in design to
>the one Denis is referring to, which was described in a posting by Anders on
>Wed, 10 Sep 1997 @10:22:00 (same subject).
>
>You would not find this type of power plant in the area of California in
>which
>Ms. Cole lives.

I was not aware of her location before, but I'm curious just how far
infrasound could carry from a power plant?  Calculations, anyone?

-Micah


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Fellow Hummers,

> I find these reports from Judy Cole and Roy Lewallen very interesting indeed. 
> When added to my own recent report of a similar occurrence when there was no 
> electrical power available, this reinforces my opinion that what a lot of people 
> are hearing is not *acoustic* at all, but a signal that is being received and is 
> being interpreted by the brain as sound.

I also find these reports significant because my own perception of the noise that
was keeping me awake at nights is that it is definitely NOT acoustic. My brain
interprets it as a sound but I can also feel it in and on my ears. Again this is
some kind of perception but the whole sensation is quite different to a normal
acoustic sound. To me the sound is most akin to that made by heavy trucks on a
distant highway and yet I can only hear it indoors upstairs in the bedroom.
Covering my ears with a pillow makes little difference. However my partner lying
next to me can hear (or perceive) nothing. Why is this? What am I more sensitive to
than her?

> I am not the first person to imagine such a possibility.
> 
> So, folks, what the devil are we perceiving?
> --------------------
> 
> I notice a lot of us are in the Northwest region of the United States: Judy Cole 
> is from Northern California. Roy Lewallen is from Beaverton, Oregon. I am also 
> from Beaverton, Oregon, but am presently working in the Aleutians again. And 
> Denis Jackson is in Washington State.

I am in the UK not far from Bristol where this phenomenon has been referred to as
"The Bristol Hum".

Martin

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At 11:06 AM 9/15/97 +0100, Martin wrote:

>>this reinforces my opinion that what a lot of people 
>> are hearing is not *acoustic* at all, but a signal that is being received
and is 
>> being interpreted by the brain as sound.

I am thinking more and more along these lines myself as time goes on.

>I also find these reports significant because my own perception of the
noise that
>was keeping me awake at nights is that it is definitely NOT acoustic. My brain
>interprets it as a sound but I can also feel it in and on my ears.

Of all the posts that have appeared on this list since July, 1995, this last
sentence most closely describes that I hear...feel?  Sometimes when I am
traveling the traffic noise around me prevents me from "hearing" the hum,
but I can tell it is there because I can "feel" it, in and around my right
ear especially. Sometimes, if I am wearing a short-sleeved shirt I can feel
it on the back of my forearms.  There is no other sound that I hear that
behaves this way, with the possible exception of thunder, which I think I
also "feel".

>some kind of perception but the whole sensation is quite different to a normal
>acoustic sound. 

Exactly!

To me the sound is most akin to that made by heavy trucks on a
>distant highway and yet I can only hear it indoors upstairs in the bedroom.

My sound is similar, but I can hear it everywhere, inside as well as
outside, although it is not quite as intense, usually, outside.

>Covering my ears with a pillow makes little difference.

>However my partner lying
>next to me can hear (or perceive) nothing. 

My husband, who actually has better hearing than I do, and frequently
complains that the coyotes (which I don't hear at all) keep him awake,
doesn't hear or perceive it either, and yet I have heard stories of perhaps
an unusually high number of people in this area who do.

Incidentally, I am very interested in the forthcoming (hopefully) answer
about the distance low frequency waves can travel, but in addition than
that, whether it is reasonable to assume that they might still be audible as
sound over their great distances.  Carlos posted a note several months ago
that seemed to indicate that a 50 Hz hum decreased by 2% over 1 km at sea
level, if I read his post correctly. He indicated, in addition, that
infrasound frequencies were capable of traveling great distances.  While
humans apparently can pick up lower frequency levels than previously
suspected, I am not convinced it is possible to hear those frequencies which
are definitely within the "infrasound" range. Has anyone been able to
actually document this experience?  

According to a recent post by Anders, it was documented that a low frequency
acoustic hum generated by a power plant decreased to the point of being
inaudible some distance from the plant, although he did say it was audible
*within* the houses which leads me to believe that the signal, while not
audible outside at that distance, was being amplified by the house structure
after possibly being conducted along the pipes that connected these homes to
the plant.  If this is the case, it would seem that low frequency acoustic
hums do dissipate rather quickly. Possibly another indicator that what we
are hearing is not acoustic??

Judy

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Some review might be in order here...specifically "Infrasound" by John Cody
and "Hearing through Wires - The Physiophony of Antonio Meucci" by Gerry
Vassilatos.

See: http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/huminfo.htm

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At 23:03 14/09/97 DST, you wrote:

>     If I remember correctly somebody once played a Wagner opera using a 
>     HAARP transmitter, and all around the north pole people could hear the 
>     opera from the heavens.
>     
Do you have any references or further details of this experiment, it appears
that it has been overlooked by the media and news organisations, but could
have far-reaching effects.
Regards,
Ronald Hill.

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At 11:06 AM 9/15/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Fellow Hummers,
>
>
>I also find these reports significant because my own perception of the noise that
>was keeping me awake at nights is that it is definitely NOT acoustic. My brain
>interprets it as a sound but I can also feel it in and on my ears. Again this is
>some kind of perception but the whole sensation is quite different to a normal
>acoustic sound. To me the sound is most akin to that made by heavy trucks on a
>distant highway and yet I can only hear it indoors upstairs in the bedroom.
>Covering my ears with a pillow makes little difference. However my partner lying
>next to me can hear (or perceive) nothing. Why is this? What am I more sensitive to
>than her?
>
>> I am not the first person to imagine such a possibility.
>> 
>> So, folks, what the devil are we perceiving?
>> --------------------
>
>Martin

Hi Martin.
How do you think the whales and dolphins feel? This EL frequency is right in the middle
of their communications band. Now you can sympathise with why whales and dolphins beach themselves in mass suicide. What about other animals that can't communicate their intentions? Isn't man just a wonderful ,caring, lovable creature. 
All that money must come first. Doesn't matter that the world won't be here to be able
to spend it.  

better days ahead. ;)
G.D.Mutch
 
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Hell-o All.....
     
     
     There seem to be many new Hummers at the site of late.... I have
experienced both low and high frequency hums in various parts of the
USA. First starting in northern Wisconsin; in the mid-1970s when the
Navy ELF system first went on-line.
     I like most of you am still exploring ideas and possibilities.
     At this time I am wondering if any one out there has experienced
the new-fangled ultrasonic, transonic generators that are designed to
repel
pets, deer, and most any animal with irritating sonic signals? Just made
to irritate and target animals hearing. Though these units only have a
range of 4,000 to 10,000 feet. . . . in some instances this could be the
cause of problems in a few cases, because many are being sold and few
people are aware that they even exist.  Advertisers of such devices are
now warning would be owners that such devices may in some instances
(these generators) the sonic waves may irritate the inner ears of some
sensitive humans. Internal portions of houses within the range of the
sonic waves may be amplified and as far as I am aware nothing could
block the signals from getting to ones inner ear and beyond.
    Lastly, if this is one of the HF problems coming into existence for
some of us..... where does the users responsiblity come into play?  I am
sure if such devices were used covertly for harrassement where would
laws come into play?  Or if any other device was used to create any
noxious hum, how could assault be proved?  It probably could not be
proved.
     One should be able to walk out of such an area/or house/ or office
of ultra-sonic waves and leave the irritation behind, until one
returned. The longer one stayed in such a field..... would ones brain
then become entrained to that frequency?     
      Any feed-back in this area would be appreciated......

                                Denis

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>>     If I remember correctly somebody once played a Wagner opera using a
>>     HAARP transmitter, and all around the north pole people could 
>>     hear the opera from the heavens.
>
>Do you have any references or further details of this experiment, it appears 
>that it has been overlooked by the media and news organisations, but could 
>have far-reaching effects.
>Regards,
>Ronald Hill.

I think I read it in an article in Scientific American, or perhaps New 
Scientist. Next I find a stack of Scientific American I may have a look for it.

Regards, Anders

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Denis Jackson wrote:
> 
> Hell-o All.....
> 
> 
>      There seem to be many new Hummers at the site of late.... 

I am one.


>      I like most of you am still exploring ideas and possibilities.
>      At this time I am wondering if any one out there has experienced
> the new-fangled ultrasonic, transonic generators that are designed to
> repel
> pets, deer, and most any animal with irritating sonic signals? Just made
> to irritate and target animals hearing. Though these units only have a
> range of 4,000 to 10,000 feet. . . . in some instances this could be the
> cause of problems in a few cases, because many are being sold and few
> people are aware that they even exist.  Advertisers of such devices are
> now warning would be owners that such devices may in some instances
> (these generators) the sonic waves may irritate the inner ears of some
> sensitive humans. Internal portions of houses within the range of the
> sonic waves may be amplified and as far as I am aware nothing could
> block the signals from getting to ones inner ear and beyond.

Does anyone on the list have more information on these devices? 

Martin

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     >      At this time I am wondering if any one out there has=20
     >experienced  the new-fangled ultrasonic, transonic generators=20
     >that are designed to  repel pets,
    =20
     Ultrasonic generators were previously common in remote controls for =

     televisions. Now they all seem to be infrared controllers.
    =20
     Ultrasonic generators are also found as burglary alarms for cars an=
d=20
     homes. Now infrared alarms are becoming more common.
    =20
     Ultrasonic generators are also common in boat as depthsounders.
    =20
     Ultrasonic generators are found in nature; for example: bats.
    =20
     Electronic kits are offered for pest control. Whether they have any=20
     reliable effect on for example mosquitos seems uncertain.
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  From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com Subject: 
FROM THE U.S. PSYCHOTRONICSASSOC. JOURNAL (1989J IN PRESS 

	Work has been underway for some time to use scalar technology in overunity and anti-gavity systems, besides strengthening the immune system. Electrifying Times will publish about who has machines related to this technology and how you can obtain them bot
h on  our website=www.teleport.com/~etimes and our publication which comes out 3 times/yr for $12. The Fall-Winter edition will be published next week which covers state of the art technology on EV's and HEV's and the Inside Edition, available only to sub
scribers, will be out in Dec. 97 and will cover more detailed info on related scalar technology, anti-gravity, magnetic motors, and cold fusion. Enjoy this very informative article. Sincerely Bruce Meland, editor 
	
	FROM THE U.S. PSYCHOTRONICSASSOC. JOURNAL (1989J IN PRESS
	EFFECT OF NON-HERTZIAN SCALAR WAVES ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
	Dr. Glen Rein * Stanford University Medical Center * Stanford, CA. ELF Cocoon International * St. Francisville, IL. 
	 The recent availability of a scalar generator in the form of a Tesla watch has facilitated scientific research into the biological effects of this new type of non-Hertzian electromagnetic (EM) energy. The scientific rational for conducting this type of 
research is discussed with respect to the non-linear nature of biological systems. Preliminary research findings are -: presented which indicate that scalar fields enhance the immune system, as measured by increased DNA synthesis in lymphocytes. Since thi
s effect supersedes that observed by the EM field produced by the watch in the absence of the mobius strip, it can be concluded that scalar energy is more biologically active than traditional EM fields, at least in this system. 
	INTRODUCTION Although numerous studies indicate the biological significance of linear, transverse EM and acoustic waves, relatively little is known about the role of non-linear, non-Hertzian waves in biological systems. Such a role for non-Hertzian waves
 is likely since recent quantum mechanical analysis of biological processes has revealed the inherent non-linearity(l). Thus contrary to traditional thermodynamic theories, biochemical reactions can occur far from equilibrium and are not always dispersive
 and degenerative. Based on non- linear mathematical analyses of Schrodinger's EM equations, quantum mechanical models have been developed which describe subatmonic quasi-particles like excitons and plasmons (2), and solitons(l). Recently it has been prop
osed that these quantum particles store and carry biological information along helical macromolecules like DNA(3). It has also been suggested that they are generated and propagated along helical proteins in the cell membrane!
  in response to weak EM radiation in the visible(4) and extremely low frequency(5) spectrum. Since these quasi-particl2es can propagate in silicon dioxide crystal lattices( ), the author has previously proposed in the Crystalline Transduction Theory(6) a
 bidirectional transduction of non-Hertzian waves to transverse EM waves by liquid crystals in the cell membrane. It sis also likely that non-Hertzian waves propagate throughout the body via the crystalline lattices of the elaborate collagen network compr
ising the extracellular space(7). These results suggest a new non-linear regulatory network in the body with properties best described by quantum physics. Although the relationship between this new network and the endogenous linear EM fields in the body (
both pulsating and stationary) is unknown, theoretically non-linear waves can couple to and interact with transverse EM fields. 
	Since linear EM fields are known to effect biological systems, it is likely that non-linear fields will be similarly if not more biologically active. Indeed non-linear irregularities in square wave pulses generate EM fields which are usually more biologi
cally active than purely symmetrical fields. Other wave forms exhibiting non- linear properties include non-Hertzian scalar potentials. Scalars, mathematically described in the original Maxwellian EM equations, are the electric and magnetic components com
prising transverse EM vectors. Since scalars (but not transverse EM vectors) exist in 5-dimensional space/time, they do not decay with time or distance from their source and have other unusual quantum properties(8). Although scalars have not been consider
ed by the biological community, they are well known in astrophysics, geology and hydrodynamics. They were first utilized by Nicholas Tesla at the turn of the century when he demonstrated wireless transmission of electricity !
 without a loss of energy(9). 
	Biological research with scalars has recently been prompted by the availability of a scalar generator. Dr. Andrea Puharich first utilized a mobius loop to cancel the EM fields generated from an ordinary digital wrist watch. The analog Tesla watch, market
ed by ELF Cocoon International has been shown to radionically to generate scalar fields, although it is unclear whether this also applies to the original digital watches.   In addition to the numerous case reports from people wearing the Tesla watch, scie
ntific studies are beginning using the watch as a source of scalar energy. The watch has the unique advantage for scientific studies since it is possible to remove the mobius loop, thereby generating the EM carrier in the absence of the scalar wave. Dr. E
ldon Byrd has shown that wearing the analog Tesla watch increases the amplitude of the EEG recordings, particularly in the low frequency range . Dr. Persinger was first to utilize cells in vitro to study the action of scalar!
  fields on mast cell degranulation(1 1). Scalar fields were generated by partially canceling two polarized magnetic fields) 0.5Hz, 10pT) by intersecting them in air. Dr. Puharich has organized a study at the Max Planck Institute in Germany where they hav
e shown that E. cold microorganisms exposed to 8.00Hz scalar fields have increased activity of the RAD-6 gene which codes for proteins involved in DNA repair(l2). The author has also utilized the in vitro approach to show that the scalar fields generated 
from the analog watch inhibit neurotransmitter uptake into nerve cells(l3) via the same mechanism as tricyclic antidepressants. 
	MATERIALS AND METHODS Using standard laboratory procedures(14), a mixed lymphocyte fraction was isolated front whole blood obtained from three healthy volunteers within 24 hours. after being drawn. The procedure involves layering the blood onto a Histopa
cque (Sigma Chemical Co.) centrifugation gradient and isolating the mononuclear cell population from the interface. Monocytes were then removed by differential plating onto plastic petri dishes. The mixed lymphocyte fraction was then layered onto a second
 Histopacque gradient to remove dead cells and debris. The resultant fraction is a purified mixture of T and B lymphocytes. The lymphocytes were plated onto 35mm plastic petri dishes at a seeding density of 1x105 c3ells and incubated at 37 C with 1.0 d Ci
/ml ( H)-thymidine (93 Ci/mmole, Amersham Corp.) for 48 hours in a standard carbon dioxide (5%) incubator. Control dishes were exposed to Tesla analog watches with the mobius strip removed. Experimental dishes were exposed t!
 o analog watches containing the mobius strip. All watches were obtained from ELF Cocoon International. A petri dish (with its cover) was placed under each watch immediately after addition of the radioactive precursor. Control and experimental dishes were
 placed in opposite sides of a dual incubator separated by a metal wall to minimize possible carry over effects from the scalar fields. To assess the viability of the three lymphocyte preparations, their proliferation in response to standard mitogens was 
determined. Cells were treated as described above, except that polkweed mitogen (5Omg/ml) was added immediately prior to the addition of thymidine. After a 48 hour incubation at 37 C, the DNA was precipitated using 5% trichloracetic acid and the immunoper
oxidase precursor was separated from that taken up by DNA using Whatman microfiber glass filters (GF/C). The amount of thymidine incorporated into DNA was measured using a standard scintillation counter. Results are expresse!
 d as cpm/105 cells. Thymidine incorporation is directly related to the
 rate of cell proliferation. Severn experimental dishes and 6 control dishes were exposed to the energy from the watch in three independent trials on three different days.
	RESULTS AND DISCUSSION The data in Table 1 indicate that lymphocyte exposed to Tesla watches containing a mobius strip showed a 76% increase in proliferation as compared to lymphocytes exposed to watches lacking the mobius strip (90 vs 159 cpm/1O5 cells)
. These results indicate that the presence of an 8Hz scalar wave caused a more profound enhancement of immune function than observed by an 8Hz linear EM field. Although non-linear waves have been postulated to be more biologically active than linear EM fi
elds(u), this hypothesis had not been verified experimentally. These results are therefore the first to show that scalar waves are more active then EM fields, at least in the 8Hz region. 
	Lymphocyte proliferation in the absence of any watch or chemical mitogen corresponds to a blank value of 67 + 20 cpmllO5 cells. Thus the EM field from control watches (no mobius strip) enhanced lymphocyte proliferation by 34%, whereas the scalar watches 
increased proliferation by 137% compared to blanks. Other investigators have also shown that weak EM fields can stimulate lymphocyte proliferation(l5) The magnitude of their EM effect is similar to that reported here. The data in Table 1 are proliferation
 values obtained for the two types of watches minus blank values. The zero values indicate that the small EM effect on proliferation was not found in 2 out of 6 cases. This corresponds to clinical observations which indicate that as many as two-thirds of 
the population are not sensitive to EM fields. It is interesting to note that a scalar effect was observed in all cases, although the magnitude of the effect varied 8-fold in the three individuals studied. Since these are no!
 rmal individuals, it is unknown to what extent scalar fields will enhance the immune system from immunodeficient individuals.  

                    TRIAL                    CONTROL                  SCALER
                                              WATCH                    WATCH
                        1                         0                      375
                                                            
                        2                       173                     295
                        3                        69                      60
                        4                         0                      29
                        5                       143                      65
                        6                       153                     247
                        7
                                                   44
                     Mean                      90                     159
                     SE.M                      31                      53

	Results are calculated from duplicate samples simultaneously exposed to either control watches (lacking a mobius strip) or scalar watches (containing a mobius strip.) The values are expressed as counts per minute (cpm) of radioactive thymidine incorporat
ed into DNA normalized to cell numbers (105 cells). The value obtained from blank dishes (identical conditions except not exposed to any watch) has been subtracted from the values in the Table. A value of zero therefore indicate the control watch had no e
ffect on lymphocyte proliferation in that trial. Results are significant at p.OO1. 
	
	The magnitude of the scalar effect can also be compared with chemical stimulation of the immune system with polkweed mitogen. This mitogen stimulated the lymphocytes used in this study by 149% compared with blanks. Thus the scalar waves enhanced the immu
ne function to approximately the same degree as was obtained the standard chemical stimulation. This indicates the profound influence the scalar waves have on lymphocyte proliferation in vitro. 
	The results reported here also indicate that scalar energy can directly effect the cells of the immune system. Similar results were reported by the author who observed direct effects of scalar waves on nerve cells in vitro(l3). The use of tissue culture 
techniques in these and other experiments, indicate that scalar fields can have direct effects at the cellular level independent of psychosomatic effects mediated by the mind. However, it is still possible that scalar waves will also effect the mind and m
ay explain some of the physiological effects observed clinically, ea. independent of direct cellular effects. The complex relationship between mind and body is now receiving much attention and a new field of research, called Psychoneuroimmunology, as emer
ged to address these questions(16). With respect to lymphocytes, it is now known that mental attitude and stressful life events, as well as diet, drugs and the amount of sleep can all inhibit lymphocyte proliferation. To fur!
 ther complicate the picture lymphocytes secrete chemical messengers, called crytokines, which can influence the brain. Thus the communication between the nervous and immune system is bidirectional. 
	Although the scalar field generated from the Tesla watch has profound effects on lymphocyte proliferation, it should be pointed out that we do not know to what extent these or other biological effects will depend on the amplitude and frequency of the sig
nal, as is known for EM fields. Thus the 8Hz signal used here may not be optimal with regards to stimulating the immune system. Whether similarly large effects will occur clinically in individuals wearing the watch is also unknown. Needless to say, this s
ituation is far more complicated since lymphocyte proliferation will be influenced by a wide variety of biochemical(l7) psychological(l8) and electromagnetic( regulatory factors. It is presently unknown to what extent scalar and electromagnetic fields int
eract. If scalar fields are clinically immunoenhancing, the potential exists for treating immunode6~cient diseases like AIDS, cancer, Ebstein Barr and even flu symptoms with scalar energy. The results presented here indicate!
  that this approach should be far more efficacious than using conventional linear EM fields. 

REFERENCES 
1) Adey, W.R., Lawrence, A.F. (eds.) "Nonlinear Electrodynamics in Biological
Systems", Plenum Press.N.Y.(1984).
2) Bednar, J., Internat J. Radiation Biol. 48 147 (1985).
3) Barlow, C.Y., et al. Nature 332 312 (1988).
4) Bednar, J., Internat. Biol. 48 147 (1985).
5) Lawrence, A.F., Adey, W.R., Neurolog. Res.4 115 (1982).
6) Rein, G. in "Mechanisms of Psychic Perception",Millay, J. Sirag S-P (eds.)
(1989) in press.
7) Rein,G.,Light l03 116(1983).
8) Bearden, T.E., "Aids: Biological Warfare", Tesla Book Co., Texas (1988).
9) Tesla, N., "Colorado Springs Notes" Nolit, Belgrade, Terazije 27,
Yugoslavia.
10) Byrd, E.A., in "ELF Cocoon Internat. Catalogue, St. Francisville, II.
(1987).
11) see Byrd, E.A., Archacus Journal 1 1 (1983).
12) Puharich, A. 14th Ann. USPA Conf. on Bioenergy, Dayton, Ohio (1988).
13) Rein, G. Proc. 7th lnternat. Assoc. Psychotronics Res.. Georgia (1988).
14) Boyum, A., Scand. J. Clin. Lab. Invest. 21 77 (1968).
15) Cadossi, R., Ceccherelli, G. et al. Trans. 5th Bioelect. Repair & Growth
Soc. vol. 5, p45 (1985).
16) Ader, R. (ed.) "Psychoneuroimmunology" Academic Press, N.Y. (1981).
17) Reed, J.C., Nowell, P.C., Hoover, R.G., Proce. Natl. Acad. Sei. 82 4221
(1985).
18) Laudenslager, My., Ryan, S.M., et al. Science 22t 568 (1983).

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To All.....
    Both my wife and myself wear this watch... They sell for 
from $79.95 to $129.00 in most sophisicated electronic catalogs.
    The best buy however is thru: THE INTERNATIONAL HEALTH FOUNDATION
                                  1 800 488-2840
                                  www.ihf.com

They sell mens and ladies versions for $49.95 each... the only rub
is that you must become a member of their health club and that
is a cost of $16.00...
                          Denis 

zeropoint (by way of i393 ) wrote:
> 
>   From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com Subject:
> FROM THE U.S. PSYCHOTRONICSASSOC. JOURNAL (1989J IN PRESS
> 
> 
> 
>         FROM THE U.S. PSYCHOTRONICSASSOC. JOURNAL (1989J IN PRESS
>         EFFECT OF NON-HERTZIAN SCALAR WAVES ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
>         Dr. Glen Rein * Stanford University Medical Center * Stanford, CA. ELF Cocoon International * St. Francisville, IL.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  without a loss of energy(9).
> 
>   fields on mast cell degranulation(1 1). Scalar fields were generated by partially canceling two polarized magnetic fields) 0.5Hz, 10pT) by intersecting them in air. Dr. Puharich has organized a study at the Max Planck Institute in Germany where they h
ave shown that E. cold microorganisms exposed to 8.00Hz scalar fields have increased activity of the RAD-6 gene which codes for proteins involved in DNA repair(l2). The author has also utilized the in vitro approach to show that the scalar fields
> 
> 
>  d as cpm/105 cells. Thymidine incorporation is directly related to the
>  rate of cell proliferation. Severn experimental dishes and 6 control dishes were exposed to the energy from the watch in three independent trials on three different days.
> 
> 
>  rmal individuals, it is unknown to what extent scalar fields will enhance the immune system from immunodeficient individuals.
> 
>                     TRIAL                    CONTROL                  SCALER
>                                               WATCH                    WATCH
>                         1                         0                      375
> 
>                         2                       173                     295
>                         3                        69                      60
>                         4                         0                      29
>                         5                       143                      65
>                         6                       153                     247
>                         7
>                                                    44
>                      Mean                      90                     159
>                      SE.M                      31                      53
> 
>         Results are calculated from duplicate samples simultaneously exposed to either control watches (lacking a mobius strip) or scalar watches (containing a mobius strip.) The values are expressed as counts per minute (cpm) of radioactive thymidine i
ncorporated into DNA normalized to cell numbers (105 cells). The value obtained from blank dishes (identical conditions except not exposed to any watch) has been subtracted from the values in the Table. A value of zero therefore indicate the contr
> 
>         The magnitude of the scalar effect can also be compared with chemical stimulation of the immune system with polkweed mitogen. This mitogen stimulated the lymphocytes used in this study by 149% compared with blanks. Thus the scalar waves enhanced
 the immune function to approximately the same degree as was obtained the standard chemical stimulation. This indicates the profound influence the scalar waves have on lymphocyte proliferation in vitro.
> 
>  ther complicate the picture lymphocytes secrete chemical messengers, called crytokines, which can influence the brain. Thus the communication between the nervous and immune system is bidirectional.
> 
>   that this approach should be far more efficacious than using conventional linear EM fields.
> 
> REFERENCES
> 1) Adey, W.R., Lawrence, A.F. (eds.) "Nonlinear Electrodynamics in Biological
> Systems", Plenum Press.N.Y.(1984).
> 2) Bednar, J., Internat J. Radiation Biol. 48 147 (1985).
> 3) Barlow, C.Y., et al. Nature 332 312 (1988).
> 4) Bednar, J., Internat. Biol. 48 147 (1985).
> 5) Lawrence, A.F., Adey, W.R., Neurolog. Res.4 115 (1982).
> 6) Rein, G. in "Mechanisms of Psychic Perception",Millay, J. Sirag S-P (eds.)
> (1989) in press.
> 7) Rein,G.,Light l03 116(1983).
> 8) Bearden, T.E., "Aids: Biological Warfare", Tesla Book Co., Texas (1988).
> 9) Tesla, N., "Colorado Springs Notes" Nolit, Belgrade, Terazije 27,
> Yugoslavia.
> 10) Byrd, E.A., in "ELF Cocoon Internat. Catalogue, St. Francisville, II.
> (1987).
> 11) see Byrd, E.A., Archacus Journal 1 1 (1983).
> 12) Puharich, A. 14th Ann. USPA Conf. on Bioenergy, Dayton, Ohio (1988).
> 13) Rein, G. Proc. 7th lnternat. Assoc. Psychotronics Res.. Georgia (1988).
> 14) Boyum, A., Scand. J. Clin. Lab. Invest. 21 77 (1968).
> 15) Cadossi, R., Ceccherelli, G. et al. Trans. 5th Bioelect. Repair & Growth
> Soc. vol. 5, p45 (1985).
> 16) Ader, R. (ed.) "Psychoneuroimmunology" Academic Press, N.Y. (1981).
> 17) Reed, J.C., Nowell, P.C., Hoover, R.G., Proce. Natl. Acad. Sei. 82 4221
> (1985).
> 18) Laudenslager, My., Ryan, S.M., et al. Science 22t 568 (1983).
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At 05:25 18/09/97 +1000, you wrote:
>  From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com Subject: 
>FROM THE U.S. PSYCHOTRONICSASSOC. JOURNAL (1989J IN PRESS 

(Some snipped)

>. Since this effect supersedes that observed by the EM field produced by
the watch in the absence of the >mobius strip, it can be concluded that
scalar energy is more biologically active than traditional EM fields, at
l>east in this system. 

(snip)

>	Biological research with scalars has recently been prompted by the
availability of a scalar generator. >Dr. Andrea Puharich first utilized a
mobius loop to cancel the EM fields generated from an ordinary digital wrist
>watch. The analog Tesla watch, marketed by ELF Cocoon International has
been shown to radionically to >generate scalar fields, although it is
unclear whether this also applies to the original digital watches.   In
>addition to the numerous case reports from people wearing the Tesla watch,
scientific studies are beginning >using the watch as a source of scalar
energy. The watch has the unique advantage for scientific studies since >it
is possible to remove the mobius loop, thereby generating the EM carrier in
the absence of the scalar wave

(snip)

>. Control dishes were exposed to Tesla analog watches with the mobius strip
removed. Experimental dishes >were exposed t o analog watches containing the
mobius strip.

>	RESULTS AND DISCUSSION The data in Table 1 indicate that lymphocyte
exposed to Tesla >watches containing a mobius strip showed a 76% increase in
proliferation as compared to lymphocytes >exposed to watches lacking the
mobius strip (90 vs 159 cpm/1O5 cells). 

>	Results are calculated from duplicate samples simultaneously exposed to
either control watches >(lacking a mobius strip) or scalar watches
(containing a mobius strip.) 
.........................................................

The repeated references to the effect of a Mobius loop in the report above,
prompts the question of whether we are now on the verge  of a previously
overlooked method for screening or intensifying scalar and EM waves.

It would be interesting to learn more details  of an effective Mobius loop -
what materials of construction, dimensions and orientation are involved.
Just what does it do and how?. How critical are these parameters?

Let us hope that it is 100% genuine repeatable research and not simply a way
of selling tesla watches (I tend to view radionic methods of measurement as
somewhat less than scientific).   

Regards,
Ronald.

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    =20
    =20
     >The repeated references to the effect of a Mobius loop in the repo=
rt=20
     >above, prompts the question of whether we are now on the verge  of=
 a=20
     >previously overlooked method for screening or intensifying scalar =
and=20
     >EM waves.
    =20
     A Radionics experimenter tells me that a Mobius type coil is much m=
ore=20
     effective than an ordinary coil. He sends current pulses into the=20
     coil, and estimates the biological effect of some kind of radiation =

     from the coil.
    =20
     >It would be interesting to learn more details  of an effective Mob=
ius=20
     >loop - what materials of construction, dimensions and orientation =
are=20
     >involved.
    =20
     Enamelled or otherwise insulated copper wire of any dimension will =

     apparently do. But the wire should be 'tied into knots'. The simple=
st=20
     knot is a loop where one end of the wire goes a turn around the oth=
er=20
     end before continuing. If a row of these simple knots are made arou=
nd=20
     a cylinder, then you have a Mobius type coil instead of an ordinary =

     coil.
    =20
     The deciding factor seems to be that the wire runs parallel to the =
the=20
     axis of the cylinder and through the windings part of the time.=20
     Presumably you could as well make an ordinary coil, say with 100 tu=
rns=20
     and a diameter of two inches and a length of one inch, and then win=
d a=20
     toroidal coil around this with 100 turns, using the continuation of =

     the wire.
    =20
     I am not sure whether the orientation of the turns would make a=20
     difference. (I guess you could wind the toroid in two different=20
     directions.)
    =20
     >Let us hope that it is 100% genuine repeatable research and not=20
     >simply a way of selling tesla watches (I tend to view radionic=20
     >methods of measurement as somewhat less than scientific).
    =20
     The research seems to be similar to much other research in this=20
     direction, with similar results.
    =20
     Research on the biological effect of magnetic fields can be utterly =

     confusing if using an electromagnetic viewpoint, but using radionic =

     viewpoints, or thinking of scalar fields, the research can make mor=
e=20
     sense.
    =20
     It is hard to understand and believe the results, when no=20
     understandable theory for the phenomenon is readily available...
    =20
     Regards, Anders
     =20

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To:          
               "Paula Demmes" <Rdy4battle@aol.com>,
               "Angela Colson" <singer97@hotmail.com>,
               "Annette Johnson" <MaggieJ@hom.net>, 
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Subject:       L.U.C.I.D.
Date:          Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:30:34 -0400

Brenda Roberts
Political Director of Sky Searchers
UFO Observer for Georgia
pbr5000@mindspring.com

FROM THE TEX MARRS WEBSITE

A frightening behemoth is rising up from the depths of the world wide web.
Like a vast and monstrous silicon octopus, full of all-seeing eyes, Project
L.U.C.I.D. is stretching forth its ominous and threatening high tech
tentacles. Who can possibly escape from the electronic cages now being
prepared for us all?

Sound dramatic or overwrought? Something out of a George Lucas
movie? Oh, if only it was fiction! But in fact, Project L.U.C.I.D. is real,
and it's being implemented now, courtesy of the super-secret National
Security Agency (NSA), the CIA, the IRS, the BATF, the U.S. Department of
Justice, and other elements of today's bloated, Big Brother establishment.

The feds, you see, have big, big plans for the world wide web. They
propose that the net be used to cast a spidery spell over humanity,
interlinking all intelligence and police apparatuses on a global scale. You
and I, as individual citizens, will be forced to join in on the fun.
The ambitious plans for Project L.U.C.I.D. were highlighted in an
eye-opening article printed in The Narc Officer magazine, the official
publication of the International Narcotic Enforcement Officers Association.

The magazine (Sep/Oct 1995) carried stunning disclosures of the fed's
intention to integrate satellites, remote data collection devices, and
every computer data bank on the planet. What is being created, said the
article, is a "Universal Information Identification System." 

According to The Narc Officer, the two computer scientists heading
up this gargantuan undertaking are Jean-Paul Creusat, M.D., Lucid System
Designer, and Anthony Halaris, President of Advanced Technologies Group,
Inc., New Rochelle, New York. Medical Doctor Cruesat happens to be on the
staff of INTERPOL in Paris, France. He is also affiliated with the United
Nations. I leave it to your imagination why INTERPOL, the United Nations,
and the entire United States law enforcement and intelligence communities
are so keenly interested in jointly setting up the global L.U.C.I.D. net.

The chief control device for this Universal Information
Identification System is to be the smart I.D. card, called the Universal
Biometrics Card, to be issued you, me, and everyone. This computerized I.D.
card will contain digitized templates of the holder's DNA genotype and his
or her blood type. It will capture the person's human features profile and
facial images, fingerprint, footprint, and iris eye scan. The smart I.D.
card will soon be issued to every American at state driver's license
offices. This, evidently, is a little-known requirement of anti-terrorist
legislation passed in 1996.

L.U.C.I.D. system, we are told, "will be an all-source fusion
information center that will interface multilingual messages into a common
communication network." 

In effect, the touted Information Superhighway is being perverted
into a Total Surveillance State. L.U.C.I.D. will be the New World Order's
system for identification, tracking, spying, surveillance, and control of
the citizenry. L.U.C.I.D. will act as a Global Brain, retaining and fusing
every bit of information on you from birth to death. It will make your life
a transparent book for private snoops and busybodies and be a godsend to
Gestapo police agents in 196 nations, from Uganda to Uruguay.

Detailed police dossiers are to be maintained on all 5.5 billion
inhabitants of Earth. In The Narc Officer article, Creusat and Halaris
explain that at the hospital, every new baby will be given a number and
issued the Universal Biometrics Card. L.U.C.I.D.'s designers assure us that
this will be a wonderful boon to the world. With the life story of every
toddler and adult in its vast repository, L.U.C.I.D. will be a tremendous
assist in preventing terrorist acts, suppressing illegal drug kingpins, and
so forth.

Forgive me, but can anyone recall any such heinous crime committed
by a baby in a cradle?

My newest book, Project L.U.C.I.D., provides an exhaustive review
and examination of Big Brother's monumental new control system. This, I
demonstrate, is to be a Gestapo choke system that would make Hitler,
Mussolini, and Stalin green with envy. These tyrants never had it so good
in the old, pre-computer days.

My book's conclusions may be shocking, but I feel they are
justified nonetheless. Project L.U.C.I.D., I suggest, may just be the
ultimate horror. This could well be the Beast 666 Universal Human Control
System that terrible system of governmental oversight prophesied in the
apocalyptic book of Revelation in the Holy Bible. Chapter 13 of Revelation
paints a grim scenario of the end-times, forecasting an era of total
government surveillance. Information control of every man, woman, and child
will be realized, and no man will be able to buy or sell unless he accepts
the name, or the mark, or the number of the beast.

Yes, L.U.C.I.D. could be it. The big 666. So, boot up your computer
and linkup, friends. Stand up and be identified by the Beast. And be
assured: The government simply wants to help you. Indeed, the government's
new L.U.C.I.D. Beast loves you. It has your number. It knows you
intimately. It savors your every move, and it feels intensely your pain. In
fact, it knows how to induce pain. After all, L.U.C.I.D. has a heart. The
heart of a beast.

***UFO Sky Searchers International****
          Founder Billy Dee
            P.O.Box 322
        Maplewood, Wis. 54226
Phone 1-920-825-7349 Call Mon - Sat. 12 noon to 9 pm


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 Thanks, Abe

From: AS <adsst27@pop.pitt.edu>
Subject: Fourth state tech.

There is some good stuff on this page & it's regularly updated.. worth a
looking
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1177/picpg.htm

     The following links are to factual Official Documents, Press
releases, agreements and statements, they deal
     with current and developing warfare technology.  This information
is not just someone's futuristic idea for one
     hundred years in time. However these systems are in fact being
installed now.

     BACK GROUND INFORMATION
     On the 7th of April 1996 Voice of Russia Science and Engineering
programme. V.O.R. transmitted a story about
     Russia's DEFENCE-LESS advanced "microwave plasma weapons,
generators and weather modification technology".
     In this transmission the "very likeable" Mr Boris Belitsky said
that Russia was some "5 to 8 years ahead of the United
     States and western countries". Boris, - said that this Russian
technology can bring down (small objects) artillery shells,
     missiles carrying war-heads and can also bring down "large aircraft
like JUMBO JETs".
         Hear it for yourself
              VOR's claim is that this technology fires a plasma ball of
energy and "is targeted not at the target its self,,
              however, in front of the target, it ironises that region
of space in front of it, and cause" a sudden and massive
              discharge of ironising energy,, "a kind of G-Force" that
causes the target to be destroyed.

     On the 9th of Nov. 1996 at 4.30 PM EST. Australian time, Voice of
Russia, shortwave news service announced that
     "The first stage of the Anglo-Russian satellite system called ZEUS
has successfully been deployed in orbit".

     On the 23rd of December 1996. Voice of Russia, offered even more
detail on this matter when responding to Ross
     Dowe's Emailed questions. See Link below.

     On the 18th June 1997 At midnight Moscow time. V.O.R. announced
that Russia's Proton-K rocket, has put
     into orbit 7 satellite's by Russia's Military Cosmic Forces.   VOR
said "The single Russia rocket "Proton K" has
     put into orbit seven satellites of the American global system
Iridium", "The rocket was launched from Baikonur
     cosmodrome by Russia Military Cosmic Forces.....  at 18 hour seven
minutes Moscow time.    Each of these
     seven space vehicles weights 650 Kilograms". End of statement.
           Hear - Iridium  Hear -Proton-K


     ON all the sites below, you will see information about this
technology and on other advances with electromagnetics,
     plasma, aerial lasers, ground laser plasma's, chemical weapons and
space weapon control systems, advanced warfare
     systems and WEATHER Control technology?



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 =20

From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com>
Subject: Destroy the United States military forces in order to destroy
national sovereignty.

Our Analysis of the Gulf War Syndrome Paradigm ... Another Step




<Picture>

Historical analysis of the present GWS situation points to evidence that it
is a calculated effort by globalist factions that have interpenetrated the
United States Government over the last 30 years to:=20

=95Destroy the United States military forces in order to destroy national
sovereignty of the United States. =95Implement mass population destruction
mandates in order to decrease population to controllable levels. For an
example of a document pointing to this mandate, see the Cobden Club Document
passed out at the ECO-Conference in 1991.=20


Now, if you study all the evidence, including all the reports available on
the WWW, you will see that the main people in at least the last three
presidential and military administrations are guilty of crimes against
humanity and genocide against the human race. It has been documented that
both the Bush and Clinton adminstrations are involved with this process.
Examine the historically documented facts below, then add them up at the=
 end.


=95Factions in the United States supplied all the biological, chemical and
conventional weapons to Iraq to be used against our own troops. Weapons were
provided by U.S. companies. President Bush, James Baker and others in the
administration had stock in those companies. Now this deadly communicable
syndrome has been deliberately given to 1 million military members, who will
spread it to the general population. Now, they are injecting troops going to
Bosnia, and Clinton has signed another executive order to beef up U.S.
military presence in the Gulf. The British government is getting worried,
because the syndrome is spreading like wildfire amongst British troops,=
 their
families and relatives.=20

=95Prescott Bush, George Bushes father, was involved in the financial=
 dealings
that financially supported Nazi Germany through Schroeder Bank in Germany at
the start of the regime. The Rockefellers and Standard Oil were also heavily
involved, and subsequently took over the U.S. medical system, which profits
by treating disease intentionally given to the population. Other nations
follow suit. This is all historically documented.=20

=95Factions in the United States, who created Nazi Germany, imported=
 thousands
of Nazi scientists back into the United States during a 30 year period after
WWII under Operation Paperclip and Project 63. These scientists were=
 involved
with high technology, biological experiments on concentration camp victims,
chemical behavior control experiments using fluoride compounds in prisoner
water supplies (I.G. Farben), social control methodology and more.
Subsequently, the CIA, the military and other agencies began programs of
biological, chemical, pharmaceutical and electromagnetic manipulation in the
United States and Canada to do covertly what had been done overty during the
war.=20

=95Factions in the United States shipped tons of fluoride to the Soviet=
 Union
for use in prisoner water supplies in the 1940's and 1950's. In 1990, the
World Health Organization (WHO) mandated worldwide fluoridation of water
supplies by the year 2000.=20

=95The rise of Nazi Germany, an extreme form of National Socialism, and the
rise of Communism, an extreme form of international socialism, were both
supported and financed from the United States, in order to pave the way for
installation of Global socialism, the kinder, gentler, New World Order.=20

=95Senator Howard Ambruster in 1947 wrote a book entitled "Treason's Peace"=
 in
which he documented through personal contact with certain factions over 30
years, how the U.S. Congress sold the U.S. out to I.G.Farben before World=
 War
II. Farben dominated control of all essential industries in the U.S,
preventing adequate and timely challenge by the U.S. Military to the German
threat.=20

=95President Reagan visited the SS cemetary during his presidency.=20

=95Evidence suggests that the United States supplied weapons to North=
 Vietnam
during the Vietnam war to use against our own troops.=20

=95President Bush brought former KGB member Gorbachev to the United States=
 to
live at the Presidio, at taxpayer expense, to plan U.S. military base
closures. What is wrong with this picture?=20

=95President Clinton who, it is documented, hated the United States and its
military when he was younger, spent a lot of time in the Soviet Union.=20

=95Both the U.S. and Iraq signed conventions never to use biological and
chemical warfare, yet both have violated the convention.=20

=95The United States signed the International Genocide Treaty only under the
proviso that no nation could sit in judgement of the United States.=20

=95The FDA in 1990 authorized the United States Department of Defense
unrestricted authorization to conduct biological experiments, using
experimental and untested vaccines, on U.S. military members, after being
pressured by the DoD, who said they were going to do it anyway.=20

=95In 1990, a large group of doctors in the United States wrote a petition=
 on
U.S. Medical Genocide to the United Nations (published in the Leading Edge).
It was ignored.=20




Do ya get it, yet? Do you see how things are adding up? Yet ... there is so
much more ....in the world of the 4th Reich. Never Again? It never stopped
.....the same people are in control doing the same things...the paradigm has
not changed....only some of the faces.=20



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	nationalsovereignty
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Over night I received three messages from ZEROPOINT.  None of which
pertained to any discussion of the Hum - except, perhaps, in a paranoid
"could-this-be-related-to-hum" sense.  I've seen too much of this on the
list lately: from the hum being caused by an energy beam from space
directed at a particular individual (which I find very egocentric)  to
bad karma as a source.  What ever happened to the scientific discussion
of the hum?

What happened to the subscribers that were trying to do research instead
of just seeking blame!!!?

Carlos Melendez

University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
"Technology - No place for wimps" 





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	From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com>
	Subject: Destroy the United States military forces in order to
destroy
	national sovereignty.

	Our Analysis of the Gulf War Syndrome Paradigm ... Another Step




	<Picture>

	Historical analysis of the present GWS situation points to
evidence that it
	is a calculated effort by globalist factions that have
interpenetrated the
	United States Government over the last 30 years to: 

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At 08:33 AM 9/25/97 -0600, Carlos Melendez wrote:
>Over night I received three messages from ZEROPOINT.  None of which
>pertained to any discussion of the Hum - except, perhaps, in a paranoid
>"could-this-be-related-to-hum" sense.  I've seen too much of this on the
>list lately: from the hum being caused by an energy beam from space
>directed at a particular individual (which I find very egocentric)  to
>bad karma as a source.  What ever happened to the scientific discussion
>of the hum?
>
>What happened to the subscribers that were trying to do research instead
>of just seeking blame!!!?

Here, here. It seems that the real conspiracy could be that those who are
posting the conspiracies are really disinformationalists trying to keep our
attentions away from real research. As valid a conspiracy as anything
recently posted.

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Actually, I've been on the list since early 1994 and have followed
closely since then.  The existence of the list was brought to my
attention while I was at the University of New Mexico working on my
Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering.  While there, I was
developing equipment to measure low frequency hearing thresholds in
human.  This research was brought about by concern of the Taos Hum.  So
I am aware of the thousands of posting to this list.

As for a bullet with my name on it - these kind of postings were NEVER
generated before.  Am I to regard this as a threat?  Instead of a
bullet, I would expect a high energy beam from some orbiting satelite or
perhaps a cloaked spacecraft, judging by some people's imagination.

Finally, when you sent me the below echoed message I noticed that you
only sent it to me.  If you're going to respond to messages posted to
the list, have the courage to post your responses to the entire group.
I'm sure everybody would be interested in your innuendoes of harm to my
person.  It would seem that if one disagrees with the theories behind
your postings it becomes necessary to fear for one's life!!

I wonder how many posters of Art Bell hang throughout your abode.

Carlos Melendez

University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
"Technology - No place for wimps" 


	----------
	From:  zeropoint[SMTP:zap@dnai.com]
	Sent:  Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:40 AM
	To:  Carlos Melendez
	Cc:  soapbox@cq-pan.cqu.edu.au
	Subject:  zeropoint messages

	......................
	I don't know you, you are not on the list,  you need the
	context of the thousands of posts generated by this discussion
	group to have your bearings.

	Hopefully, no bullet of any kind will have your name on it,
	stranger.

	Consult the source of the few rays from the brilliant
ZEROPOINTERs.

	.....................  zeropoint.  

	From: Carlos Melendez <CMELENDE@ball.com>
	Subject: zeropoint messages

	Over night I received three messages from ZEROPOINT.  None of
which
	pertained to any discussion of the Hum - except, perhaps, in a
paranoid
	"could-this-be-related-to-hum" sense.  I've seen too much of
this on the
	list lately: from the hum being caused by an energy beam from
space
	directed at a particular individual (which I find very
egocentric)  to
	bad karma as a source.  What ever happened to the scientific
discussion
	of the hum?

	What happened to the subscribers that were trying to do research
instead
	of just seeking blame!!!?

	Carlos Melendez

	University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
	"Technology - No place for wimps" 



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At 23:20 25/09/97 +1000, you wrote:
>  
>
>From: Bruce Meland <etimes@teleport.com>
>Subject: Destroy the United States military forces in order to destroy
>national sovereignty.
>
>Our Analysis of the Gulf War Syndrome Paradigm ... Another Step
>

Whatever happened to the Taos hum list - it seems to have been replaced by
political posts and conspiracy theories.
Surely there is another list that accomodates this sort of stuff?

Ronald Hill.

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	Whatever happened to the hum business?  I still
	hear it..........

	trr     
-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice  
tomrice@netcom.com     

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Please take me name off the "hum" list.  Thank you, naomihall@aol.com

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At 12:16 PM 9/25/97 -0600, Carlos Melendez wrote:
>As for a bullet with my name on it - these kind of postings were NEVER
>generated before.  Am I to regard this as a threat?  Instead of a
>bullet, I would expect a high energy beam from some orbiting satelite or
>perhaps a cloaked spacecraft, judging by some people's imagination.
>
>Finally, when you sent me the below echoed message...
>	----------
>	From:  zeropoint[SMTP:zap@dnai.com]
>	Sent:  Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:40 AM
>	To:  Carlos Melendez
>	Cc:  soapbox@cq-pan.cqu.edu.au
>	Subject:  zeropoint messages
>
>	......................
>	I don't know you, you are not on the list,  you need the
>	context of the thousands of posts generated by this discussion
>	group to have your bearings.
>
>	Hopefully, no bullet of any kind will have your name on it,
>	stranger.
>
>	Consult the source of the few rays from the brilliant
>ZEROPOINTERs.
>
>	.....................  zeropoint.  


I would think this would be enough to get rid of this idiot from the list so
we can get on with this business of the HUM. All those in favor......

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This list really "sucks" now.  Pardon my french, but it's been 
intolerable the past six months or so.  

May I give a true hum update?  

In Houston, Texas the hum has reappeared loud and clear.  It had been 
quiet all year up until now.  I am beginning to see a true pattern here. 
 I first heard the hum 3 years ago when we moved into our new house - in 
September!  The hum was quiet last year until September!  This year, I 
haven't heard it at all until Sept.  

Now, it may be due to the fact that our weather is cooling and since we 
live in a cluster of 50x100 sized lots, our and our neighbor's ACs are 
not running all day and night. But, I truly don't believe this is the 
reason.  I expect to hear the hum until the new year starts.  

I had forgotten how annoying it is.  My ears are reverberating all night 
long.  I hate the physicality of the hum more than the noise itself.  

Anyone else from Houston or Texas out there who has noticed this pattern?

Feel free to email me at JBWebb@gramercy.ios.com.  A special "hi" to 
Judy, Oliver, and Anders!

Take care
Joni

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Carlos Melendez wrote:

Hey Carlos - I thought Anders drove you off the list!  When did you 
resubscribe?  Can you try to get this newsgroup back on target.  We're 
being held hostage to Australian conspiracy theories.

Take care
Joni


Joni

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Hi, there, "G.D.M." ...

In your reply of 9/12 (for which I thank you), you reiterated ... >>At
08:08 PM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On 9/3/97, G. D. Mutch wrote (partially) ... >>I will show you how simple
>it is to test for what I believe is/are scalar waves. Most people have
seen
>this post already. I feel the important factor is the glass top table. It
>may be the glass and steel combination that is the critical key ???<< ...
><<

I've only recently "heard about" scalar waves and, since my last science
class was in 9th grade (about 54 years ago), I wouldn't know a scalar wave
if I bumped into it (I'd say "Excuse me!", of course).

However, in those intervening years, I've just had an inclination toward
and familiarity with common-place "mechanical stuff" and so tend to think
along those lines - building my own Heathkit TV, installing wiring, doing
valve jobs, repairing my kid's flattened bike tires (or "tyres" in the
Queen's English I guess), re-roofing, installing a new "floppy" drive,
learning to write COBOL programs for "mainframes" (boy, what a waste that
was - Intel and Gates sure obsoleted that in a hurry) and that kind of
stuff.

So, with just everday knowledge at my disposal (and a reluctant willingness
to take a chance on making myself look stupid), I'd be willing to bet a
"Foster's" (which, according to commercials on US TV, is "Australian for
beer") that what may be going on is something I could only call a "pendulum
effect" and/or a "sympathetic resonance effect".

For example, suppose your floor was oscillating horizontally but only a
minute, nearly immeasurable amount for whatever reason. Now, you set a
structure made of relatively thin-gauge steel on that floor - which is
going to have some inherent degree of "resonance" at a certain (but, for
the moment, unknown) frequency in and of itself; as it's height (from the
floor) increases, the amplitude of it's "sympathetic resonance" and range
of movement probably increase incrementally.  Then, you put a slab of wood
(which tends to attenuate frequencies) on top of it and then you lay a
nice, very dense, heavy slab of glass on top of that - which tends not to
attenuate frequencies and now, maybe, the "net resonance frequency" (of the
whole assembly along with, maybe, the intensity,of the entire "assembly" is
changed.

The table, all by itself, has some level of natural resonance that can be
excited from an external source and, if it has an attached (low-carbon
steel) sheet metal top surface, then the  top all by itself  will be rather
susceptible to certain (unknown) resonant frequencies at varying
intensities depending on it's thickness. The wood top has differing
resonant frequencies/intensities depending on how thick, wide and long  it
is and whether it's all natural wood (containing a fair amount of
encapsulated air, or laminated plywood (containing less air than it's
counterpart in solid wood and being more of a "resonator" by virtue of the
dense resin used to glue the sections together,  or "particle board/chip
board" which, contains even less air and a whole more of dried, hardened
resin, which tends to act more like glass than solid wood "resonance-wise".
And, of course, the glass is a lovely end-to-end transmitter of resonant
frequencies and its properties vary according to its dimensionsas well.

What'cha think so far? ... anybody? ... does the above make any sort of
sense or should I really consider a "different line of work"? ...

Robert, just sitting here, listening both of my brain cells randomly,
spontaneously ricocheting off the walls

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Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I have or may have experienced the
hum. When it is very quiet while I am sitting at my computer. I get a very
irritating hum that feels like it is almost vibrating my head. I am located
in south central Virginia. I am a 26/m in very good health. Doctors have
told me I have partial hearing loss in my right ear but I do not believe
that this has anything to do with it. This hum is only on various
occasions, and is not an everyday thing. This note is just to inform you
that I may be experiencing the same thing.

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Carlos Melendez wrote:
> 
> Actually, I've been on the list since early 1994 and have followed
> closely since then.  The existence of the list was brought to my
> attention while I was at the University of New Mexico working on my
> Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering.  While there, I was
> developing equipment to measure low frequency hearing thresholds in
> human.  This research was brought about by concern of the Taos Hum.  So
> I am aware of the thousands of posting to this list.
> 
> As for a bullet with my name on it - these kind of postings were NEVER
> generated before.  Am I to regard this as a threat?  Instead of a
> bullet, I would expect a high energy beam from some orbiting satelite or
> perhaps a cloaked spacecraft, judging by some people's imagination.
> 
> Finally, when you sent me the below echoed message I noticed that you
> only sent it to me.  If you're going to respond to messages posted to
> the list, have the courage to post your responses to the entire group.
> I'm sure everybody would be interested in your innuendoes of harm to my
> person.  It would seem that if one disagrees with the theories behind
> your postings it becomes necessary to fear for one's life!!

   Please don't be too hard on Art Bell.... I find him and is show
highly amusing... He is one of the most interesting fellows on talk
radio...
  No one else pushes gloom and doom as well as he does. He oftens
repeats himself, over and over, asks inane questions of his guests and
sometimes some very good questions. Who knows what strange twists his
show may take at any given moment. One night he even half super-glued
his lips shut while one the air LIVE. Many phony actors call in and give
elaborate and well acted senarios involving area 51, bigfoots, ghosts
and other creepy crawly stuff.....
  By God he even has a book on the bestseller list... Tho I believe it
was ghoswtritten..... cause Art isn't big on reading & writing ( he
likes watching movies instead and brings that type of reality into his
on-air conversations) I believe he is a bit to slothful in this one area
to have written this book. However, I kind of like him.... he is very
human and makes a lot of mistakes and errors on air. He is always
interesting and entertaining, if you take his show with a big grain of
salt.............   Denis  



> 
> I wonder how many posters of Art Bell hang throughout your abode.
> 
> Carlos Melendez
> 
> University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
> "Technology - No place for wimps"
> 
>         ----------
>         From:  zeropoint[SMTP:zap@dnai.com]
>         Sent:  Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:40 AM
>         To:  Carlos Melendez
>         Cc:  soapbox@cq-pan.cqu.edu.au
>         Subject:  zeropoint messages
> 
>         ......................
>         I don't know you, you are not on the list,  you need the
>         context of the thousands of posts generated by this discussion
>         group to have your bearings.
> 
>         Hopefully, no bullet of any kind will have your name on it,
>         stranger.
> 
>         Consult the source of the few rays from the brilliant
> ZEROPOINTERs.
> 
>         .....................  zeropoint.
> 
>         From: Carlos Melendez <CMELENDE@ball.com>
>         Subject: zeropoint messages
> 
>         Over night I received three messages from ZEROPOINT.  None of
> which
>         pertained to any discussion of the Hum - except, perhaps, in a
> paranoid
>         "could-this-be-related-to-hum" sense.  I've seen too much of
> this on the
>         list lately: from the hum being caused by an energy beam from
> space
>         directed at a particular individual (which I find very
> egocentric)  to
>         bad karma as a source.  What ever happened to the scientific
> discussion
>         of the hum?
> 
>         What happened to the subscribers that were trying to do research
> instead
>         of just seeking blame!!!?
> 
>         Carlos Melendez
> 
>         University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
>         "Technology - No place for wimps"

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This is fascinating material. If only half of it were true, we would still be
truly suppressed as a people. Please keep sending information regarding the
inhumane oppression of people for personal profit and power.

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This list really "sucks" now.  Pardon my french, but it's been 
intolerable the past six months or so.  

May I give a true hum update?  

In Houston, Texas the hum has reappeared loud and clear.  It had been 
quiet all year up until now.  I am beginning to see a true pattern here. 
 I first heard the hum 3 years ago when we moved into our new house - in 
September!  The hum was quiet last year until September!  This year, I 
haven't heard it at all until Sept.  

Now, it may be due to the fact that our weather is cooling and since we 
live in a cluster of 50x100 sized lots, our and our neighbor's ACs are 
not running all day and night. But, I truly don't believe this is the 
reason.  I expect to hear the hum until the new year starts.  

I had forgotten how annoying it is.  My ears are reverberating all night 
long.  I hate the physicality of the hum more than the noise itself.  

Anyone else from Houston or Texas out there who has noticed this pattern?

Feel free to email me at JBWebb@gramercy.ios.com.  A special "hi" to 
Judy, Oliver, and Anders!

Take care
Joni


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Carlos Melendez wrote:

Hey Carlos - I thought Anders drove you off the list!  When did you 
resubscribe?  Can you try to get this newsgroup back on target.  We're 
being held hostage to Australian conspiracy theories.

Take care
Joni


Joni


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I am replying to mail received with the subject title "Destroy the United States
military forces........" .   I had not looked at the most recent messages, but
when I saw mail coming in entitled with such titles as above mentioned, I was
amazed that this would be allowed to be sent to subscribers.  There are people
who might look upon this as a national security threat.  I know this is a free
country, but there's no need to strike up a sense of distress among the national
and world security with a "re: .....   " subject such as this.  War is not an
entertaining matter
To jbwebb: The hum hasn't made it all over Texas.  It's not experienced in
Aggieland.  I went to New Mexico to check out the hum around Santa Fe, but only
experienced the family and car hum  :: }

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Joni,  I'm not from Texas but from New Jersey and you are correct.  The hum
has been quiet here from April until the last week in August.  I actually
believe that the sound is louder since last year.  My right ear has not
stopped vibrating in weeks.  This is a pretty noisy area of the country and
it can be heard outside during the day.  I'm glad other people are still
trying to make some sense out of this.


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> Joni,  I'm not from Texas but from New Jersey and you are correct.  The hum
> has been quiet here from April until the last week in August.  I actually
> believe that the sound is louder since last year.  My right ear has not
> stopped vibrating in weeks.  This is a pretty noisy area of the country and
> it can be heard outside during the day.  I'm glad other people are still
> trying to make some sense out of this.

Is this another aspect of "The HUM"? That it can be perceived more loudly in
one ear than the other? I have normal hearing in both ears and yet last 
Saturday night when the hum was particularly loud, I realised that it was
only in my left ear! Normal quiet night time sounds I could hear clearly in
both and yet only my left was buzzing.

Martin - South Gloucestershire, UK

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I have noticed also that the hum has been louder in the last few weeks 
out here in Los Angeles, CA
I seem to be hearing the hum out of my right ear always.
I am not so much concerned as to what is causing the hum as I am about 
getting rid of it. I think any research in finding where the hum is 
coming from, and why, is a lost cause because if it is EMF's or ELF's, 
or from frequencies, what can we actually do about it? Sure it might be 
something produced from Government institutions or science studies but 
obviously there isn't enough 'hummers' to cause a fuss or have the 
clought to investigate and "PROVE" anything to stop it even if we 
'hummers' did actually find the cause. So, I think the focus should be 
on finding solutions to get rid of it. Perfecting the masking of it! 
There is alot of devices out there already that are expensive used for 
masking. I found one at Sears for $60 that was made to help babys fall 
asleep. Besides having used a fan, this device produces various sounds 
like rushing water. I'd love to have the answer to getting rid of the 
hum without having to find a masking device. I'm not a doctor or 
specialist in electronics or neurological devices but I wish all the 
posting of Government conspiracy talk would end. It's a waste of time 
and doesn't help our goal of finding a way to get rid of the hum. If I 
were to make a guess on what it could be I could search and search with 
no answers or any solid proof, which would result in nothing. My guess 
would be the Haarp Project possibly. It COULD be the major source. I say 
this because I didn't start hearing the hum untill after the Western 
States Main Grid Power failure back in 1996 which happened on the same 
day the Haarp Project powered up. Of course I heard about the Haarp 
Project from late night radio guy Art Bell. I also heard about the 
Taoshum Group from him also for which I'm glad. Anyway, after looking 
into the Haarp Project I found alot of intresting info that made me come 
to my own conclusion that Haarp COULD be causing more people to hear the 
hum as more and more radio frquencies and electronic systems come into 
our creative world daily. The thing is, I can't do anything about it 
even IF it were Haarp to blame or any other microwave systems on the 
planet. So, therfor I only care about getting rid of this hum, not what 
MIGHT be causing it. Infact, I believe alot of good COULD come from the 
Haarp Project. I pray with all the advances in technolgy, that soon 
somebody might come up with something to get rid of the hum sound. If 
not the source, what makes our ears or head hear it!! Anyway, for those 
of you intrested in the 'possible' sources, I suggest you check out 
these web sites:
 "Hugh' Haarp Info Page" at: 
http://www.priment.com/~rfwatts/haarp/haarp.html 
 "Earthpulse" at:
http://www.earthpulse.com:80/index.htm
On this next page I found a bit of info on a guy named Allen Frey who 
made a discovery on pulsed microwave beams in the 1960's at:
http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/tech/emfwar.html
If all this is old news to the list, then I apologize.
"LET'S GET RID OF HEARING THIS DAMM HUM! SPECULATING THE SOURCES HASN'T 
DONE A THING! LET'S PRAY THERE IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT WILL DEVELOP 
THE UNTIMATE MASKING OF THE HUM OR FIND A WAY TO RID US OF IT!!"   

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I have noticed also that the hum has been louder in the last few weeks 
out here in Los Angeles, CA
I seem to be hearing the hum out of my right ear always.
I am not so much concerned as to what is causing the hum as I am about 
getting rid of it. I think any research in finding where the hum is 
coming from, and why, is a lost cause because if it is EMF's or ELF's, 
or from frequencies, what can we actually do about it? Sure it might be 
something produced from Government institutions or science studies but 
obviously there isn't enough 'hummers' to cause a fuss or have the 
clought to investigate and "PROVE" anything to stop it even if we 
'hummers' did actually find the cause. So, I think the focus should be 
on finding solutions to get rid of it. Perfecting the masking of it! 
There is alot of devices out there already that are expensive used for 
masking. I found one at Sears for $60 that was made to help babys fall 
asleep. Besides having used a fan, this device produces various sounds 
like rushing water. I'd love to have the answer to getting rid of the 
hum without having to find a masking device. I'm not a doctor or 
specialist in electronics or neurological devices but I wish all the 
posting of Government conspiracy talk would end. It's a waste of time 
and doesn't help our goal of finding a way to get rid of the hum. If I 
were to make a guess on what it could be I could search and search with 
no answers or any solid proof, which would result in nothing. My guess 
would be the Haarp Project possibly. It COULD be the major source. I say 
this because I didn't start hearing the hum untill after the Western 
States Main Grid Power failure back in 1996 which happened on the same 
day the Haarp Project powered up. Of course I heard about the Haarp 
Project from late night radio guy Art Bell. I also heard about the 
Taoshum Group from him also for which I'm glad. Anyway, after looking 
into the Haarp Project I found alot of intresting info that made me come 
to my own conclusion that Haarp COULD be causing more people to hear the 
hum as more and more radio frquencies and electronic systems come into 
our creative world daily. The thing is, I can't do anything about it 
even IF it were Haarp to blame or any other microwave systems on the 
planet. So, therfor I only care about getting rid of this hum, not what 
MIGHT be causing it. Infact, I believe alot of good COULD come from the 
Haarp Project. I pray with all the advances in technolgy, that soon 
somebody might come up with something to get rid of the hum sound. If 
not the source, what makes our ears or head hear it!! Anyway, for those 
of you intrested in the 'possible' sources, I suggest you check out 
these web sites:
 "Hugh' Haarp Info Page" at: 
http://www.priment.com/~rfwatts/haarp/haarp.html 
 "Earthpulse" at:
http://www.earthpulse.com:80/index.htm
On this next page I found a bit of info on a guy named Allen Frey who 
made a discovery on pulsed microwave beams in the 1960's at:
http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/tech/emfwar.html
If all this is old news to the list, then I apologize.
"LET'S GET RID OF HEARING THIS DAMM HUM! SPECULATING THE SOURCES HASN'T 
DONE A THING! LET'S PRAY THERE IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT WILL DEVELOP 
THE UNTIMATE MASKING OF THE HUM OR FIND A WAY TO RID US OF IT!!"   

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"Hugh's Haarp Info Page" at:
http://www.primenet.com/~rfwatts/haarp/haarp.html
"Earthpulse" at:
http://www.earthpulse.com:80/index.html
While I'm making my typing corrections on those 
links, sorry about that, there is also the Navy's 
Official Haarp Page at:
http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/

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Hi, all,

Yes, I've been lurking for some months, now - still hearing the T-H.

I agree with Carlos (glad to see his new e-mail address) that this forum 
has seemed to degrade into a sort of conspiratorial sounding-board.  More 
T-H reports, based on "good" science, and less of "they are going to get 
all of us" opinions, would suit me better.  Except for Carlos's and 
Joni's comments, (I've never seen such *pure unadulterated piffle*) the 
material has been really awful!

I have archived all messages for several years, in case I ever want/need 
to write a book.  The degradation of the subject matter has actually been 
happening for about a year, not just 6 months.

Ray Adams

Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
E-mail:  RayAdams@utk.edu   -or-   rkadams@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
WWW:   http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~rkadams/homepage.html

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> I agree with Carlos (glad to see his new e-mail address) that this forum 
> has seemed to degrade into a sort of conspiratorial sounding-board.  More 
> T-H reports, based on "good" science, and less of "they are going to get 
> all of us" opinions, would suit me better.  Except for Carlos's and 
> Joni's comments, (I've never seen such *pure unadulterated piffle*) the 
> material has been really awful!

I've only been on this list a short while and have been somewhat disappointed
at the overall content. I was expecting to be involved in serious objective
discussion about the nature of The Hum, what causes it, how it propagates around
the world, whether there is any correlation of intensity with weather conditions,
sunspot activity etc. Why it is quiet for days at a time and then becomes so loud
as to prevent sleep, why I can only hear it in one ear, why my partner cannot hear
it at all, the exact mechanism by which my brain converts this effect into perception
of sound and feeling of vibration. It is common enough to have made it onto a TV
documentary here in the UK and yet I have not met anyone who experiences it as I do.

If the conspiracy merchants continue to hog this list, I shall drop off as I suspect
many others have done or will do.

Martin - South Glos, UK

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mjnoble@lucent.com wrote:
> 

> I've only been on this list a short while and have been somewhat disappointed
> at the overall content. I was expecting to be involved in serious objective
> discussion about the nature of The Hum, what causes it, how it propagates around
> the world, whether there is any correlation of intensity with weather conditions,
> sunspot activity etc. Why it is quiet for days at a time and then becomes so loud
> as to prevent sleep, 

Snip

Martin, read the archives,  We've discussed all of that and more.  The 
reason why it isn't discussed anymore at all, is because NO ONE knows 
what causes the hum.  Period.  For every cause proposed, there is a way 
to disprove it.  It's been claimed on this ng that reports of hum hearing 
have been around for decades, if not centuries.  That tends to dispel all 
the HAARP, government conspiracy, submarine signals, etc, blah, blah, 
blah, bs reasons.

If you have a new theory, let's hear it.  I'm sure someone will be able 
to knock your theory down as soon as you post it.  Actually, I've never 
heard the sun spots theory before, I don't think.  Could that be the 
cause?  Anders - what do you think?  Carlos?  Oliver?  Judy? 

I've lately tended to believe the galaxy theory or the internal earth 
theory.  Something much much bigger than the US CIA. 

Read the archives.

Take care
Joni

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Causes for the Hum - who knows.  While I don't think it's a popular
theory with hearers, it's always been my belief that the hum is
physiological in nature and not caused by some external source.  There
has yet to be a definitive "recording" of the hum; there have been many
claims to this affect, but no proof.  I can't offer any proof for my
theory.  My only reason for thinking this is that if the source of the
hum was in our environment, I'd think more people would be suffering
from its affects.  I will say that the hum is not acoustic.  While doing
my research at UNM I had several people in my lab who were telling me
they could the hum.  With some frequency generators we were able to
determine what frequencies they were hearing as well as the amplitude
modulation of the signal.   The detection equipment that we had in the
lab was thousands of times more sensitive to low frequency sounds never
detected the signal the hearers were hearing.  Just to give you an idea
of the sensitivity of the equipment, I could tell when a door to the
outside was opened by someone because the trace on my O-scope would go
off scale;  gently pushing against the wall of my lab had the same
effect.  I also tested the low frequency hearing of one of these people
with the equipment I developed for my thesis.  This individual actually
had a slight hearing deficiency at low frequencies.

I don't doubt for a moment that there is a great deal of low frequency
sound in our environment (refineries, power plants, the oscillation of
power lines due to wind...) that we can all hear and record.  I just
haven't seen a signal that, UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS, can be
attributed to  the hum.  

Is it some type of environmental electromagnetic interaction with our
bodies?  Again, I don't so since the number of people who hear it is
small.  I could be wrong.

HAARP seems to be the most popular source theory.  When did it go on
line?  There have been reports of a "hum" for decades.  This is not a
new thing!!!

Carlos Melendez

University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
"Technology - No place for wimps" 
  

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	mjnoble@lucent.com wrote:
	> 

	> I've only been on this list a short while and have been
somewhat disappointed
	> at the overall content. I was expecting to be involved in
serious objective
	> discussion about the nature of The Hum, what causes it, how it
propagates around
	> the world, whether there is any correlation of intensity with
weather conditions,
	> sunspot activity etc. Why it is quiet for days at a time and
then becomes so loud
	> as to prevent sleep, 

	If you have a new theory, let's hear it.  I'm sure someone will
be able 
	to knock your theory down as soon as you post it.  Actually,
I've never 
	heard the sun spots theory before, I don't think.  Could that be
the 
	cause?  Anders - what do you think?  Carlos?  Oliver?  Judy? 

	I've lately tended to believe the galaxy theory or the internal
earth 
	theory.  Something much much bigger than the US CIA. 

	Read the archives.

	Take care
	Joni

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At 11:17 PM 9/30/97 -0700, Joni wrote:
>
>If you have a new theory, let's hear it.  I'm sure someone will be able 
>to knock your theory down as soon as you post it.  Actually, I've never 
>heard the sun spots theory before, I don't think.  Could that be the 
>cause?  Anders - what do you think?  Carlos?  Oliver?  Judy? 

I am convinced that the presence of sun spots does not cause the hum. There
is no correlation between the presence or absence of the hum with the
presence of sun spots, and I have been checking this on a daily basis since
the beginning of this year.

On the other hand, a pattern has emerged that seems to suggest the hum is
something that can be influenced by the presence of solar disturbances;
however, more time would be required to say with certainty that *some* CME
events do modulate or attenuate the hum, but not all of them do.  Since
January 10 of this year, when I first took a look at this because of hum
anomalies during the big solar event, it has seemed that the larger
disturbances do change the hum for short periods of time, and then it
returns to "normal".  I've posted this before, but no one more knowledgeable
along this line than I am seemed to be interested in pursuing it, and I have
no idea why this might be so.  So, I dropped it.

To answer Martin's observation, in the last several months it seems the more
vocal people on this list would rather talk about conspiracy theories and
alarmist material that may or may not present some truth; if it is true it
is probably noteworthy, but, nevertheless, doesn't belong on this list.  As
a hummer, I gave up posting much of anything unless I was asked for a
comment. I too would leave the list, but I stay because it is always
possible that some newcomer just might drop a piece of significant
information.  So I keep waiting...with the mouse just a click away from the
"delete" box....

Judy

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Almost any neurologist will tell you it's a broken blood vessel that 
causes people to hear the hum. Why is this so difficult for many to 
believe? Maybe they are right and they don't have a crue for this 
annomaly as of yet. Of course it could be some electronic device or 
frequencies, but if we 'hummers' search in that direction (while it 
might be fun and interesting) I believe there is no hope for any answers 
of finding any solid proof. I believe this is a medical condition 
unsolved. The questions I think we need to ask ourselves is what maybe 
we did in our pasts to maybe cause such a condition. Maybe you smoked 
pot in the past, did some drug that our bodies couldn't handle, even 
possibly cigarettes or coffee (caffine) consumption. Maybe shot a gun at 
one time, played music too loud when you were young. I believe 
everyone's body is diffrent and reacts to things diffrently. Maybe the 
doctors arn't that far off in the thoughts they have regarding the hum. 
Just because they don't have the answers to make it go away doesn't mean 
that they are wrong. They haven't got a crue for cancer yet either. I 
hate living with the hum but I'd rather live with this hum rather than 
be dying of a quick cancerous death. Untill there is a cure I guess we 
must live with it. 
Sunspots? Haarp? Frequencies? All possible but long shots and no proof. 
I know this has all been said before but maybe not enough to remind us 
that the doctor's might be right. I like this group because we should 
always try to find a crue. Saying government and conspiracy bologna and 
blame gets us nowhere! Thank you and may you 'Have A Humless Day'! 

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     >If you have a new theory, let's hear it.  I'm sure someone will=20
     >be able to knock your theory down as soon as you post it. =20
     >Actually, I've never heard the sun spots theory before, I=20
     >don't think.  Could that be the cause?  Anders - what do you=20
     >think?  Carlos?  Oliver?  Judy?
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     I knew a scientist, who is now dead, who was much into sunspots, an=
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     sunspots and almost anything.
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     I didnt really doubt his findings, but an understandable theory for=20
     the connections was usually missing.
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     Recently two scientists in my vicinity have analyzed sattelite=20
     pictures of clouds, and found a strong connection between sunspot=20
     activity and cloud cover. I dont think this is really surprising.=20
     ionizing radiation can work as seed for clouds, in a similar way as=20
     silveriodide crystals have been used to seed clouds for rain.
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     I havent heard a sun spot theory for hum before, and I dont see an=20
     understandable theory for a connection.=20
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     I dont really believe in sunspots as a major source of hum, because=
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     >events do modulate or attenuate the hum, but not all of them do.  =

     >Since January 10 of this year, when I first took a look at this=20
     >because of hum anomalies during the big solar event, it has seemed =

     >that the larger disturbances do change the hum for short periods o=
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     Sunspots affect the earth's ionosphere, as HAARP type transmissions=20
     do.=20
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     If the earths ionosphere is involved in hum, both sunspots and HAAR=
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     Some military transmissions are reflected by the ionosphere, and ar=
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     inspiration, too)
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     magnetometer, I think, so to test the theory one could set up a num=
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     I dont have the right equipment at the moment, however.
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     Anders
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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:36:00 -0600 Carlos Melendez wrote:

> From: Carlos Melendez <CMELENDE@ball.com>
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:36:00 -0600
> Subject: FW: Good for Carlos and Joni
> To: Taoshum-l@eskimo.com
> 
> Causes for the Hum - who knows.  While I don't think it's a popular
> theory with hearers, it's always been my belief that the hum is
> physiological in nature and not caused by some external source.  

Dear Carlos

As a hum sufferer, the fact that I don't hear the hum everywhere suggests to me that there is some external explanation - although 
this could also be due to changes in my body.  If this is so I am puzzled as to how my trusty ear defenders (the cheap plastic shell 
type) actually cut out the hum for me.  As my partner also hears the same hum at the same times as I do, I feel this is too much of 
a coincidence to be purely physiological.  I can fully accept that certain people are obviously more sensitive to the hum, which is 
obviously due to some physiological difference, but I am convinced that something external is causing this extremely distressing 
response in some people, and if it proves impossible to find and/or stop the source, maybe we have to concentrate on finding 
some relief for those who are suffering.



______________________________

Julie Parsons
j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk





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The posting I read this morning have been, without a doubt, the most
intelligent in recent memory.  Great! Great!  This was the reason I
subscribed to this list in the first place.  While I don't hear the hum,
the subject is of great interest to me because of my involvement while I
was in school.  I was glad to see Lon M's thought that the hum might be
an as yet undiscovered medical condition.  I thought I was alone in this
regard; anymore thoughts in this matter - pro or con?

Anders, I seem to remember you were adamant about the hum being acoustic
in nature.  Do you still share that view?  If there are some new
subscribers, perhaps they would be interested in your point of view.  

Julie mentioned in her posting yesterday that both her and her partner
hear the hum at the same time and that her hearing protectors "actually
cut out the hum for" her.  Julie, do the hearing protectors also work
well with your partner?  A couple of other questions: Have you had your
hearing tested lately (I'd be curious to know what the results were)?
What kind of hearing protectors are you using (Off the shelf protectors
are generally useful at attenuating only higher frequencies)? Have you
been able to determine what frequencies of sound you have been hearing
(I know this might require some special equipment)?

Sara Allen, are you still out there?

Carlos Melendez

University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
"Technology - No place for wimps" 


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    =20
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>this regard; anymore thoughts in this matter - pro or con?

The vast majority of hummers hear the hum in certain places not in=20
others. By moving a few yards the hum will disappear, and moving back it=20
will reappear. The hum is clearly dependent upon the location, and=20
therefore not entirely caused by a medical condition.
Hummers that meet in a place usually agree about the amount of hum in=20
that location. While part of the explanation could be a medical=20
condition, an environmental cause certainly must be part of the=20
explanation.

Many hummers here have initially visited some medical specialist.
This has generally been fruitless. Some medics said the condition=20
probably was  tinnitus, others said it certainly wasnt tinnitus. Some=20
had their hearing tested, and some had a more sensitive hearing than=20
normal, some apparently had a less sensitive hearing. Generally the=20
hearing wasnt tested for very low frequencies.
Only one medic punctured the eardrums, with the result that the hummer=20
couldnt hear much, and not the hum. A proof that the hum in this case=20
was acoustic.

    =20
>Anders, I seem to remember you were adamant about the hum being=20
>acoustic in nature.  Do you still share that view? =20

I view it as proven that hum in many cases is acoustic. This rests on=20
these points:
* When I have recorded the levels of low frequency acoustic noise over=20
some days, there has been a good correlation between this and the=20
experience of hum.
* When I record the low frequency acoustic noise on a digital tape=20
recorder, and replay the noise, the hummer can recognize the hum.
* When I play the low frequency acoustic noise in inverted phase in real=20
time (not from a tape recording) I can extinguish the hum in most cases,=20
but not all. If I play it in normal phase no cancellation  takes place.=20
This is strong proof that the hum (in thsese cases) is acoustic.
* When I find the source of the acoustic hum by direction finding, and=20
bring the hummer to the source, the hummer becomes ill, and reacts=20
strongly to the hum. Sometimes but not always the hummer will recognize=20
the hum at source.

I often hear people say that they cannot believe that their hum is=20
acoustic, and they will give a number of arguments (usually invalid) tha=
t=20
their hum cannot be acoustic. Usually their arguments show their=20
misconceptions about acoustics rather than any real reasons why the hum =

should not be acoustic.

Typical arguments:
The hum sounds as a diesel engine. (These people must believe that diese=
l=20
engines dont produce acoustic sound?)
The hum is experienced differently than when a radio is playing next=20
door. (These people must believe that all acoustic sound gives the same =

perceptions?)
The hum is not stopped by some hearing protectors (These people must=20
believe that hearing protectors are equally effective against all=20
frequencies?)
The hum is not heard by the neighbour/husband/whatever (These people mus=
t=20
believe that all people have the same hearing threshold?)
...

I probably forgot some typical arguments. Add your own favorite ones...

I dont think that all hum is necessarily acoustic. For example Mutchg=20
describes hum with qualities which are not typical of acoustic hum.=20

I dont think that if one hum is acoustic, it cannot at the same time be =

influenced by for example the ionosphere. The hearing threshold of a=20
person varies from hour to hour, and little is known about what causes=20
these oscillations of the threshold. If the ionosphere had an influence =

on the threshold, it could turn the hum on/off...



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I3683 wrote:
> 
>      >events do modulate or attenuate the hum, but not all of them do.
>      >Since January 10 of this year, when I first took a look at this
>      >because of hum anomalies during the big solar event, it has seemed
>      >that the larger disturbances do change the hum for short periods of
>      >time, and then it returns to "normal".
> 
>      Sunspots affect the earth's ionosphere, as HAARP type transmissions
>      do.

Yes, and the Earth-ionisphere effects the Schuman resonance
frequencies.  These
may be a link, as it seems that mammmalian EEG's seem to converge on the
Schuman resonance frequency.

> 
>      If the earths ionosphere is involved in hum, both sunspots and HAARP
>      type transmissions could affect it.
>      Some military transmissions are reflected by the ionosphere, and are
>      affected by sunspots. (So the conspiration lovers could find some
>      inspiration, too)
> 
>      Sun spot events can be detected on the earth surface with a
>      magnetometer, I think, so to test the theory one could set up a number
>      of recording magnetometers at hummers' homes.
>      I dont have the right equipment at the moment, however.

They cause a host of odd effects in the local E field, as evidenced by
the McGreevy 'Natural Radio' receivers.  I'd be interested to hear of
anyone who experiences the hum who also had a significant reaction to
the VLF recordings on the Natural Radio web site.

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Dear Carlos

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:22:25 -0600 Carlos Melendez wrote:


> The posting I read this morning have been, without a doubt, the most
> intelligent in recent memory.  Great! Great!  This was the reason I
> subscribed to this list in the first place.  While I don't hear the hum,
> the subject is of great interest to me because of my involvement while I
> was in school.  

What sort of involvement Carlos?

I was glad to see Lon M's thought that the hum might be
> an as yet undiscovered medical condition. 

Why were you glad about this?


 I thought I was alone in this

No you are not alone.  Curiously enough though it seems that most of the people who think it might be a medical condition do not 
in fact hear the hum themselves, or do they know otherwise (back to the conspiracy theory here).  Although the Ministry of 
Defence in the UK actually published an article some years ago stating that some people could experience a problem with 
microwaves, resulting in their experiencing what seemed like a hum (this document was referred to in New Scientist).

> Julie mentioned in her posting yesterday that both her and her partner
> hear the hum at the same time and that her hearing protectors "actually
> cut out the hum for" her.  Julie, do the hearing protectors also work
> well with your partner?

Yes, they do.


A couple of other questions: Have you had your
> hearing tested lately (I'd be curious to know what the results were)?


No I haven't.  My local doctor doesn't provide this sort of service at the surgery and said I would have to contact a hearing 
specialist independently (I haven't found one in my area yet).  However, I do not have too much faith in the medical profession 
after going to my doctor and explaining about the hum and being patted on the head and given tranquilizers (which of course I 
didn't take!)


> What kind of hearing protectors are you using 

As I said in my posting the ear protectors are just ordinary (off the shelf) plastic shell with foam inner type which are sold in 
hardware shops in the UK for protection when using noisy equipment (mowers, saws etc.)

> been able to determine what frequencies of sound you have been hearing
> (I know this might require some special equipment)?

No, but on a BBC television programme a few years ago called "Here and Now" a British Gas Engineer recorded a frequency of 
70hz directly over a main gas transmission pipe near the home of the founding member of the UK Noise Sufferers Association, 
and also recorded the same frequency in his house nearby.  The description of this hum (the diesel engine idling) closely matches 
my hum.



______________________________

Julie Parsons
j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk























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Julie Parsons
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    =20

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>No, but on a BBC television programme a few years ago called "Here and =
Now"=20
>a Br itish Gas Engineer recorded a frequency=20
>of 70hz directly over a main gas transmission pipe near the home of=20
>the founding me mber of the UK Noise Sufferers Association,
>and also recorded the same frequency in his house nearby.  The descript=
ion=20
>of th is hum (the diesel engine idling) closely matches my hum.

Quite interesting (to me).
We do have underground gas pipes here, but I dont have any equipment for =

measuring vibrations in the ground.=20
Such equipment is rather expensive if it is lab grade.

There has been an article recently in the British magazine 'Electronics =
World'=20
about how to build VLF sensors for the magnetic field, electric field , =
and=20
ground vibrations. I havent read the article, only skimmed it. The artic=
le=20
should be interesting for home constructors. It seemed to be well resear=
ched,=20
and with nice graphs of recordings done with the home built instruments.=


Regards, Anders



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Hi Julie,

I got involved with the Hum, or Taos Hum as it is called here, while
looking for a project for my graduate work (Master's in Mechanical
Engineering) at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque.  The town
of Taos, New Mexico, USA is about 90 miles north of Albuquerque.  In
1991 some of the people of Taos went to the media complaining of a low
frequency hum that they could not seem to localize.  The hum was the
typical "diesel engine idling".  The governor of New Mexico, I believe,
asked if the University and the national labs in the area (Sandia, Los
Alamos, and Philips National Labs) if they would investigate this hum.

A team of researchers went to Taos in an attempt to find a source for
the sound.  They had very sensitive acoustic, electromagnetic, and
seismic equipment to work with.  Unfortunately, no source was found and
no sign of a signal was detected even though there were several hearers
present during the investigation who said they could hear it.

I was not involved with this end of the research.  Instead, the
University of New Mexico Hospital researchers became interested in this
due to the fact that there was almost nothing known about how the human
ear processed low frequency sound.  It became evident that there was not
even a baseline to say what were "normal" hearing thresholds at low
frequencies (below ~ 500 Hz).  This was due to the fact that there was
no commercial equipment available to doctors that could measure low
frequency hearing.  Most commercial equipment measures between 500 to
20000Hz in octave intervals (500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000,...).  My
involvement in the research was to develop equipment to allow low
frequency threshold measurements.  The equipment and software that we
developed measured frequencies from ~0 to 250 Hz with a frequency
resolution of about 0.25 Hz.  Two and a half years and some 90 test
subjects later we had a working proto-type and had discovered a couple
of interesting things about human hearing that were new.

As for why I glad that other persons thought perception of the hum was a
medical condition: It's just nice not to be alone in that camp.  Most
everyone on this list think the hum is externally caused.  I can't seem
to remember ever reading a posting as to possible physiological causes.
I think its important to investigate all possibilities (UFO theories,
well perhaps not).

Carlos Melendez

University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996
"Technology - No place for wimps" 

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Lon M. wrote:
> 
> Almost any neurologist will tell you it's a broken blood vessel that
> causes people to hear the hum. Why is this so difficult for many to
> believe?

Because it starts and stops with such intensity.  On for days on end, off 
for months on end.  I do not for one minute believe it is caused 
physically.  There seems to be too much correlation between hummers 
around the world as to when it's "on." I am not causing myself to hear 
this.  Nor, is any machine causing this hum.  Nor is any submarine 
causing it.  I believe it is something much, much bigger.  Either around 
our planet or inside our planet.  Perhaps we all have the capability to 
hear it, but hummers have some malformation in their sensory system that 
allows us to hear what others don't or won't.

Try again,  :-)
Take care
Joni

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Ray Adams wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> Yes, I've been lurking for some months, now - still hearing the T-H.
> 
> I agree with Carlos (glad to see his new e-mail address) that this forum
> has seemed to degrade into a sort of conspiratorial sounding-board.  More
> T-H reports, based on "good" science, and less of "they are going to get
> all of us" opinions, would suit me better.  Except for Carlos's and
> Joni's comments, (I've never seen such *pure unadulterated piffle*) the
> material has been really awful!

  Well.... not quite as special as your comments.... very constructive
indeed. . . reminds me of a older English teacher we once....

  Hi All....

  I feel any form of feedback from anyone experiencing any sort of hum
should be explored for it's possibilities and is inherently worthwhile.
This site is all about POSSIBLE solutions and ideas - is it not?
  However, there seems to be a CLICK of you here developing which likes
to pat themselves on each others backs ..... while shaking their heads
in dismay.... You are guilty yourselves in this regard to contributing
only piffle and nebuleous nothings to this board. At best most of you
only repeat info from the archives....where is the benefit?
   Now I guess I am also guilty of acting childish and wasting everyones
time myself with this foolish diatribe post.
    
> I have archived all messages for several years, in case I ever want/need
> to write a book. 

   If one is ever to write a book on the hum subject.... the conspiracy
area a lone is filled with little nuggets of potential interest to a
readership. I should know I have been published numerous times and I
would know how to utilize such material to create interest or at the
very least a hook.......... 
    
                      Denis

PS: I hope all of you will learn to forgive me and not be hateful
towards me for speaking my mind as well.........



 The degradation of the subject matter has actually been
> happening for about a year, not just 6 months.
> 
> Ray Adams
> 
> Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
> E-mail:  RayAdams@utk.edu   -or-   rkadams@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
> WWW:   http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~rkadams/homepage.html

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I3683 wrote:

> The vast majority of hummers hear the hum in certain places not in
> others. By moving a few yards the hum will disappear, and moving back it
> will reappear.

I don't agree.  The hum tends to stop while moving around or turning your 
head, etc. But it starts up right back again.  If it's out there on any 
given day and the background noise is minimal, you can hear it all over 
town.  Sometimes, my first clue as  to how loud the hum is on any given 
morning is while dropping my daughter off in carpool line.  I turn off 
the engine and then BAM, it hits me.  By the time I come home, the house 
is amovin and ashakin.  God, I hate those mornings.  Have to turn the TV 
on the drown it out.

 Some medics said the condition
> probably was  tinnitus, others said it certainly wasnt tinnitus

I have tinnitus also (caused by years of dating a punk rock guitarist 
:-(.

snip 

Maybe, I too, don't quite understand exactly what acoustical noise is.  
In fact, I'm sure I don't.  Anders, can you give a very brief definition 
in layman's terms?

Take care
Joni

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>      Sun spot events can be detected on the earth surface with a
>      magnetometer, I think, so to test the theory one could set up a number
>      of recording magnetometers at hummers' homes.
>      I dont have the right equipment at the moment, however.
> Ah, an intelligent idea on this ng!  Thanks, Anders.   I am clueless as 
to what a magnetometer is.  But, if there is a true hearer out there that 
knows how to do this --- come on, let's test this theory out.  Anders, do 
you have a hummer friend that could test your theory?  You would probably 
be the best one to perform this test - or Carlos.  

Take care
Joni
>

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     >Maybe, I too, don't quite understand exactly what acoustical=20
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     * It will travel for long distances in air.
     * It can be generated by vibrations in the ground.
     * It has rather direct physiological effects, even in very small=20
     amounts.
     * The hearer cannot determine the direction to the source.
     * The hearer has difficulty determining the strength of the signal.=20
     The perception is more on/off than a lange range of different volum=
es.
    =20
    =20
     Regards, Anders

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Oops!  I wondered why my message of many days ago was never discussed.  It
was still sitting in postponed-outgoing file.  Here it is below.  Is this
issue now moot?


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Ray Adams wrote:

> I agree with Carlos (glad to see his new e-mail address) that this forum 
> has seemed to degrade into a sort of conspiratorial sounding-board.

Yes, but the subscribership includes several very different groups, and
all are welcome.  The price of freedom of speech is that it applies to the
other guy too!  But it IS possible to add new rules to narrow the range of
topics.  However, don't forget that a few months back there were people
complaining about threads by know-it-all techies who use big words! Should
we ban the researchers and only allow hum-hearers to subscribe?  I think
it would be inappropriate to make this exclusively a researcher's forum,
or a hearer's forum, etc.  (I'm not a hearer myself, unless that diesel
engine I only hear late at night at work in Everett,WA is not from the
heating ducts!)  And one possible hum source IS military transmitters, so
it would be unwise to ban speculation about the intent of these.  Ever
encounter the SF book "The Cool War", where modern warfare was based on
subtle weapons which disrupt quality of life in order to affect national
economies? 

Off-topic conversations can most easily be handled by ignoring them. 
Don't let intolerance and censorship gain a foothold.  Attempting to shut
the other guy up is a very serious thing, and should only be considered as
a last resort.

What I most noticed about the last few months is not the presence of
conspiracy-theory messages.  What I noticed is that other conversation
threads dried up.  So, if someone starts talking about a subject we aren't
interested in, the solution is for us to leave in a huff or to angrily
wait for them to leave?  Last I knew, listserves could handle many subject
threads at once.  If a topic isn't interesting, delete it.  If an off
topic thread gets big, then intentionally start some other subject threads
to compensate.

However, this forum is a mini-community and should be allowed to form
community standards.  How serious is the problem?  Does a majority of
subscribers really want to start up a rule banning conversations about
conspiracy theories and mind control technology?

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Hi All...
Sorry for the late reply... seems the denial factor is coming back into a lot of peoples minds again. Denial
is a defense mechanism that the brain uses to shut out situations it doesn't like. This is very prevalent in
child abuse cases, were the child can completely forget past abuse... No matter, I'm sure we all get the picture of 
what some are choosing to do.  'Denial will not stop the hum'. 

The conspiracy theories I had posted in the past came from the American people themselves. They are not
Australian conspiracies, I have merely redirected them to this list to give a broad spectrum to this stagnate list. 
I will continue to post such theories; to broaden peoples mind to the very real EVIL present in our society.
May I suggest you choose the delete key if you don't wish to read them. It is far quicker, cheaper and easier
then typing a 1-2 page gripe and paying to repost it.


Attn. Carlos Melendze.
Carlos you may redirect my posts to your President, the Queen, my Prime minster, I don't mind one single bit where you repost them . You are merely helping me; I don't mind where you post these messages to. 
Your comments as to posting to our local university list,  with some effort to embarrass me, has failed miserably...
Most on that list know far in advance what is going on... please feel free to post what ever you feel is relevant.

Now, adding to the conspiracy theories (yet again).
There was a recent announcement on one of our local news broad casts: 
Australia has now got the technical ability  to shoot down rouge/un-authorized satellites over the southern hemisphere, using particle beam weapons. I believe australia has had this technology for some time.
I feel it has been a timed reminder corresponding to the launch of a Russian Scalar satellite.  Now why would
our authorities make such a public statement if none of this technology exists ??? Some one may like to make a
clarifying suggestion ?

For the non-conspirators (in attempt to keep every one happy):
Now scalar satellites/HAARP stations don't exist , as Russia didn't launch a scalar satellite, an australian authorities didn't release the news about having the ability to shoot them down, and the hum doesn't exist as it just an illusion formed by bored 
house wives... Sorry, but the sarcasm is very much intentional. Come on guys: wakey wakey... some of us are falling asleep.

Whether or not I believe in the conspiracy theories is neither here nor there. The fact that the world is advancing technically every day  in very many marvelous ways, should be enough for most people to lift up their state of awareness to the fact that t
hese hum weapons are more than possible. To narrow your mind down to think the world is advancing in only one area, is very naive an irresponsible, with respect to your children.  You should be making yourself more than aware of what evil is also advancin
g technically, if you hold any hope at all for the future of your
children...

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G.D.Mutch...








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 No comment ... I just redirect it.... If you don't like it delete it... simple.

I don't confirm or deny anything any more.
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From: AS <adsst27@pop.pitt.edu>
Subject: MagicalBlend

This site -->  http://www.magicalblend.com/MBtoc.htm is the online
version of a magazine.. the articles are superb and most or all are
online, definetely worth a scouring..

Here's one interesting article..:


Messages from the Pleiades-A Transmission for the Future

Written by Barbara J. Marciniak

                                   When Magical Blend staffer Susan
Warrick returned from
                                   the Whole Life Expo in San Francisco,
Barbara Marciniak
                                   was number one on her "must cover"
list. Marciniak is a trance
                                   channel and earthly host to a
collective of multi-dimensiona l
                                   beings who call the Pleiades home.
This colorful bunch of
                                   interstellar advisors want us to
chill out. To them, we earthlings
       [picture]               are "too damned holy" and need to develop
a sense of humor
                                   and irreverence. Calling themselves
our "ancient ancestors
                                   from the f uture," the Pleiadians'
stated mission is to help
                                   humanity through a coming period of
immense change.

                                   Bringers of the Dawn, the first book
of Pleiadian material
                                   compiled by Marciniak became an
underground sensation.
                                   Her second book, Earth: Pleiadian
Keys to the Living Library
                                   sold a phenomenal 80,000 copies in
eight weeks. In addition
                                   to writing blockb uster books and
attracting sell-out crowds as
                                   a speaker and workshop leader,
Marciniak is the editor of
                                   The Pleiadian Times, a quarterly
journal out of Raleigh, North
                                   Carolina.

Below are highlights of Barbara Marciniak's appearance in San Francisco,
where she first addressed the
audience as herself before going into trance and channeling the
Pleiadians.

Barbara J. Marciniak
Every crisis we're facing today, whether personal or collective, is a
crisis in consciousness. And we're finding
these crises coming faster as we learn how to unplug from what has not
been working, indeed, what never
worked to begin with.

I am acting as a point person for a convergence of spiritual
information. What's occurring is that the cosmic
calendar is going to do a big seasonal shift very soon, and when it does
there's going to be chaos. We are
looking at the dismantling of civiliza tion as we know it. The important
thing to realize is that it's not an end,
it's a beginning. It's a cycle that happens over and over again. Though
getting crunched to the wall is not
always a pleasant experience, when it happens, we begin to discover an
ability to reclaim our power and
become something we never thought we could be.

Living with the Pleiadians is very real to me, although I've never
really seen them. I feel them. I tune in. I just
talk to the Pleiadians like they're there, and I ask them to show
themselves to me in ways that I can know
they are there. What they have t aught me to do is to pay attention to
synchronicity and signals. Synchronicity
is the name of the game.

Get in the habit of musing because it sets creation and life into
motion. Decide on something you want and tell
your guides to hop to it. It's time for each of us to act as if life has
meaning, that it's significant and that each
of us is responsib le for every aspect of it. So if you want something,
ask for it, however don't get attached. If
something you want doesn't happen, want something else. Flow from want
to want, desire to desire, and
trust yourself to set it into motion, no matter how impos sible it may
feel. Have faith in your own
transformative powers and abilities. Just as I have guides, so do you.
Discover them, pay attention to them
and you will be, as I have been, entertained, enticed and seduced by
spirit's passion.

Pleiadians
We are the Pleiadians, your ancient ancestors who come from the future.
>From our standpoint we are able to
look back at Earth and see the main probabilities that you face as a
spiritual, human and multidimensional
collective.

>From the future you are the show! We have noticed how on your planet you
take great joy in what you call
the Superbowl. Well, you are approaching the Superbowl of consciousness.
You all bought your tickets and
are here for the game. Everyone is a p layer. This show is so big that
many other entities from the future have
journeyed back into the past to be here now, not necessarily to
re-experience it in an old way but to redefine
what it can be at this point.

You are moving head-on toward a collision. You could say the greatest
collision you will ever have is
meeting your own power and learning how to accept true responsibility
for it. Everything in your world right
now is about abdication of power. But something is seducing you, dear
friends, to dance to a different tune.
Will you dare to act on these things, to liberate yourselves, to get
free and have pride and balance?

For balance, it is important to be able to laugh at yourselves. If you
can laugh at yourselves and laugh at the
process, you will be very in tune as the doorways begin to open between
the dimensions. As this happens,
don't try to figure things out mentally, because you won't be able to.
It will seem as if you are losing all of
your rights. You will feel like cattle being branded, herded together
and shipped. During this time, a
tremendous level of fear is being whipped up on Earth.

Your task is to begin to become more multidimensional. Many of you may
be seeing visions or noticing the
thin veil separating the dream world from the waking world. You are not
mistaken. You have been so
involved in your technological developments that you do not see what
they represent. All of your miraculous
technology is but a mirror of your own inner psychic capabilities. It is
a symbol in your outside world
reflecting the growth of your spiritual, psychic byways. It is
imperative now for those of you who are capable
of holding the energy in your body to open these doorways.

It's also time for you to realize you are not working alone. In order to
understand who you are and the
greatness of your being, you must wake up to other forces of
intelligence that exist beside you. These cosmic
technicians look over you the way laboratory technicians watch the
animals they supervise. You must
become aware of these entities, and begin to claim your power with them.
The way we work is to simply
impulse the right people to cross your path. But you must recognize
them.

When you get guidance from a Pleiadian, a Sirian, an Andromedian, a
Reptilian or a serpent, simply tell them
that you are not going to run around doing all the miracles. That's
their job. Just tell them what spiritual thing
you want to happen, and they will cooperate. Make sure it's fun, and
make sure you are compensated. This
is the way our vehicle does it, even though the spirits shake their
heads and say, "The game was never played
like this before. We have to now go find someone to teach us how to work
with these feisty humans. Look at
what is happening to them! There's a revolution in the pasture. The cows
have all stood up and crossed their
arms and said we are not going to the slaughter!"

We enjoy being ridiculous as you may tell. If you would start being more
ridiculous in these challenging and
impossible times, you will find you will be able to use your sense of
humor to wiggle your way through.

As Uranus moved to Aquarius in January 1996, and when Neptune goes into
Aquarius in November 1998,
you are going to have some brilliant new young ones being born, although
they have been flooding onto the
planet in waves now for quite a number of y ears. This is a new kind of
child that is here to counterbalance
great darkness and disruption. They are here as living, biological
technology to jam the circuitry of a
technology that is being developed on your planet today. This technology
uses living c ells as a biological
computer in ways you cannot conceive. These children will be able to jam
these systems, and stop things
with their mental and psychic power. Even today, very young children
already understand why they are here.
Look to them for your s olution in the dark times ahead.

One of the darkest times will come in 1997. Even in 1996, we have often
said you will begin to see the
bottom fall out economically. Around the year 2000-2004, this new type
of child will gather together as
psychic, spiritual warriors. So the great est thing that you can do for
your children is to teach them that they
are responsible for everything that happens to them in their life, and
help them to understand there is a
destructive side to their powers as well.

You are approaching a shift in the cosmic season, and the chaos you see
around you is part of the
restructuring that will take you to a new place. Do not be frightened of
what is coming. You must trust
yourselves and learn how to follow your impuls es. Throughout the chaos,
you must learn to integrate the new
cosmic energy and live it. It's this energy that gets you in touch with
more than your senses; it's going to get
you in touch with a whole new social order and vision. Know that you are
signifi cant and that life has
purpose.

Massive Earth changes are going to throw you into new ways of living
that are potentially exciting and
abundant. You have not yet met your finest hour. It lies ahead of you
and calls to you. Remember this
moment. It will bring you power in your dar kest hour that will take you
to your finest hour. The journey is
one of claiming power and responsibility by yourself, and then looking
around and realizing that you are not
alone. Look forward to the changing of probabilities. And make Earth a
place reno wned throughout the
cosmos.





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Below is the abstract from the thesis:

"Pure tone hearing thresholds from 20 - 200 Hz were measured in 10 Hz
intervals in 48 normal-hearing subjects and one subject with Meniere's
syndrome using monaural presentation of sound through headphones.  New
digital technology for estimating pure tone hearing based on Bekesy
audiometry was developed to improve threshold estimation at low
frequencies of sound by emphasizing the statistical nature of the
threshold detection process.  Population results of these measurements
are in basic agreement with data published previously.  However, the
present results indicate that the human ear is more sensitive to sounds
below 50 Hz than previous studies have indicated.  A comparison of
population thresholds based on gender revealed a 3 dB increase in the
low frequency sensitivity of males in comparison to females over the
entire range tested.  This 3 dB difference corresponds to a two-fold
increase in sensitivity to low frequency sound.  Multiple threshold
measurements were consistent withing 1 - 3 dB for individual subjects.
The consistency of these measurements combined with the high frequency
resolution of the tests revealed threshold patterns that are unique to
an individual.  The low frequency capability of the new threshold
measurement system made it possible to detect a 20 dB difference in the
thresholds between the affected and the normal ear of an individual with
Meniere's syndrome; this deficiency had gone undetected when the patient
was examined using commercial audiology equipment.  In summary, new
technology developed for this study was used to make the first detailed
measurements of low frequency hearing at 10 Hz resolution and revealed
the presence of a gender difference in the sensitivity of the human ear
to low frequency sound."
 -  Technology for the Measurement of Low Frequency Hearing Thresholds,
1996, J.C. Melendez

In a less "formal" mode:  First of all, we were able to design hardware
and software that reliably measured low frequency hearing thresholds.
Using this equipment we found that our results showed a better
sensitivity to low frequencies than the few previous studies had shown.
The differences between our results and previous studied varied with
frequency.  Next was the finding that males showed a ~3 dB increase in
sensitivity to low frequency sounds compared to women.  At the higher
frequencies, women hear better than men.  To me, the most interesting
find was the threshold patterns that were unique to the individuals.  It
was almost like a "fingerprint" of the ear.   Each person had consistent
peaks and valleys in their threshold plots (frequency vs dB SPL). Some
of the subjects were tested over 10 times over a 18 month period with
less than a 3 dB difference in the thresholds.


	----------
	From:  Ian Rushforth[SMTP:lgp1imr@liverpool.ac.uk]
	Sent:  Monday, October 06, 1997 9:49 AM
	To:  CMELENDE@ball.com
	Subject:  Re:  Human LF threshold

	> My
	>involvement in the research was to develop equipment to 
	allow low
	>frequency threshold measurements.  The equipment and 
	software that we
	>developed measured frequencies from ~0 to 250 Hz with a 
	frequency
	>resolution of about 0.25 Hz.  Two and a half years and 
	some 90 test
	>subjects later we had a working proto-type and had 
	discovered a couple
	>of interesting things about human hearing that were new.

	What were the conclusions of this study?  What interesting 
	new things about human hearing were learnt?

	Regards,
			Ian Rushforth,
				University of Liverpool

	----------------------
	lgp1imr@liverpool.ac.uk

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>sensitivity to low frequencies than the few previous studies had shown. =


Do you have references for the previous studies?

Regards Anders

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Carlos:

1.  Could you provide a URL for your interesting thesis?
2.  Could you post the frequency vs dB data (mean and extremes)?
3.  Did you also use nonsinusoidal waveforms and if so what differences
     did you see, especially with pulsed signals, as in "diesel engine
idling"?
4.  Did you discriminate between bone conduction and audiotory sensing?
5.  In your Taos hum studies, did you make any measurements in the
     electromagnetic domain and attempt to correlate that data with reported
     hum perception? 
6.  One hypothesis I'm interested in exploring:
     hum perception as a result of cerebral demodulation of a hum
     component on a carrier wave (such as a microwave signal), or as an
     intermodulation product of a set of electromagnetic signals. I'd be
interested
     in your comments.
7.  Are you familiar with Michael Persinger's work with terrestrially-
     generated ELF signals and have you explored possible relationships
between 
     such signals (correlated with hallucinations and UFO sightings,
according to
     Persinger) and the hum? Have you looked at geomagnetic variations and 
     their correlation with hum reports?
8.  Is there a database of human reports that would allow for statistical
analysis
     to determine correlations with various geomagnetic and other phenomena?

Thanks, Wes

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Wes, in answer to your questions:
1. 	Currently the thesis is not posted anywhere.  I'm waiting for
the doctor that I worked with at the University hospital to publish the
results.  After that, I'll be happy to zip it up and post it somewhere
(perhaps on the website).
2. 	I'll get those data to you.  I've got it in an Excel spreadsheet
on my PC at home.  I'll attach it to a posting in a couple of days.
3. 	All we used were "pure" sinusoidal waveforms.
4. 	No, we didn't.  While we did experiment with bone conduction, it
was quickly apparent that developing a calibration routine for the bone
vibrator was going to be very difficult.  Furthermore, the amount of
energy transmitted to the skull is proportional to the pressure the bone
vibrator exerts on the skull (the greater the pressure the greater the
transmissibility).  This would have required us to develop a method of
controlling the clamping force of the vibrator.  All this was possible,
but I didn't want to spend 4 or 5 years getting my graduate degree.
Also, there was very little money for the research.  I worked pretty
much for free and most of the equipment came from government salvage
yards that the university had access to.
5. 	No, we only focused on acoustic elements.
6. 	I'm afraid I can't offer you much here.  We (the doctor and
physicist I worked for) discussed this on occasion.  The question in
this matter is what is the mechanism that allows this type of
perception.  I've seen several discussion about this on this list, but I
don't know there is any "real" scientifically accepted  evidence to
support this.  But I could be very wrong about this.
7. 	No.  All this was way behold the scope of my project.
8. 	I don't know.

	----------
	From:  Wes Thomas[SMTP:west@sonic.net]
	Sent:  Tuesday, October 07, 1997 9:21 AM
	To:  Carlos Melendez
	Cc:  taoshum-L@eskimo.com
	Subject:  Human LF threshold

	Carlos:

	1.  Could you provide a URL for your interesting thesis?
	2.  Could you post the frequency vs dB data (mean and extremes)?
	3.  Did you also use nonsinusoidal waveforms and if so what
differences
	     did you see, especially with pulsed signals, as in "diesel
engine
	idling"?
	4.  Did you discriminate between bone conduction and audiotory
sensing?
	5.  In your Taos hum studies, did you make any measurements in
the
	     electromagnetic domain and attempt to correlate that data
with reported
	     hum perception? 
	6.  One hypothesis I'm interested in exploring:
	     hum perception as a result of cerebral demodulation of a
hum
	     component on a carrier wave (such as a microwave signal),
or as an
	     intermodulation product of a set of electromagnetic
signals. I'd be
	interested
	     in your comments.
	7.  Are you familiar with Michael Persinger's work with
terrestrially-
	     generated ELF signals and have you explored possible
relationships
	between 
	     such signals (correlated with hallucinations and UFO
sightings,
	according to
	     Persinger) and the hum? Have you looked at geomagnetic
variations and 
	     their correlation with hum reports?
	8.  Is there a database of human reports that would allow for
statistical
	analysis
	     to determine correlations with various geomagnetic and
other phenomena?

	Thanks, Wes

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The discussions on theories and the discriptions and details of those who are
affected by the hum is truely a perplexing and facinating story. Being
compasionate and curious, my wife and I wonder how friends, family members
and co-workers have reacted, once told about your hum? If it doesn't stray
conversations too far from ideas on resolves to eliminate this agravation)...
How did one 'handle' dealing with it before discovering many others heard it
also? Devin & Jeanne.

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Initially,  I would drive around the block looking  for the source.  Than I
had my hearing checked...that was'nt it.  I did not know what to make of it,
but I knew it was'nt going away.   Than one day a friend drove me home, and
she mentioned about how she hears this low pitched HUM, and I estatic, for
finding someone else who heard it, so I now had a support system, and knew it
just was'nt me.  What a relief!

Than my friend had a article written on the front page of the local paper
about it, with my name included.  Bot did i get ribbed about it at work.  I
think everyone at work still thinks I am looney.  Oh well.  Than soon after
that, I saw the story aired on close encounters, on national TV, and recently
have seen another write-up on National TV about it on unsolved mysteries.
 Than I met a few more people who were afraid to tell others about it for
fear of being joked about.  Than we got the idea to put some feelers out on
the net, and we found out about the university research project at the
University of New Mexico, so we joined the official list of people who
experience the HUM.  I have not heard anything for quite awhile from the
University.

Than I found this mailing list, and "HEAR", I am.


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  >>From: Firedog401@aol.com
  >>Reply-To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com

  >>Initially,  I would drive around the block looking  for the source.  Than I
  >>had my hearing checked...that was'nt it.  I did not know what to make of it,
  >>but I knew it was'nt going away.   Than one day a friend drove me home, and
  >>she mentioned about how she hears this low pitched HUM, and I estatic, for
  >>finding someone else who heard it, so I now had a support system, and knew it
  >>just was'nt me.  What a relief!
  >>
  >>Than my friend had a article written on the front page of the local paper
  >>about it, with my name included.  Bot did i get ribbed about it at work.  I
  >>think everyone at work still thinks I am looney.  Oh well.  Than soon after
  >>that, I saw the story aired on close encounters, on national TV, and recently
  >>have seen another write-up on National TV about it on unsolved mysteries.
  >> Than I met a few more people who were afraid to tell others about it for
  >>fear of being joked about.  Than we got the idea to put some feelers out on
  >>the net, and we found out about the university research project at the
  >>University of New Mexico, so we joined the official list of people who
  >>experience the HUM.  I have not heard anything for quite awhile from the
  >>University.
  >>
  >>Than I found this mailing list, and "HEAR", I am.
  >>
You're lucky twice! .. Its been reported that females hear higher freq's
than men and men hear lower than women (in general I'm sure).. but to 
also have her in the media (newspaper) is a great connection for both of
you... & us!
  Can She hold her ears or have it drowned out more easily than you??
Have you two done direction experiments? or played audio in the
background that one or the other noted plus or minuses of the humm?? 
I know its serious, but you might be the perfect combo for indepth
research on this..... male / female to reporting it! 
 I've  heard it's ENTIRE BODY (not just ear).. Can either of you find a
flag
pole and hug it (recording the others reactions), one at a time of course
:).. then try NOT touching the flag pole, except with your left  then
right ear to note any amplifications? .. This may sound stupid, but record
North East South and West (Trianglations?) if possible.


   Keep Listening :) and keep us informed.. 

Best regards

-=se=-

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> but I knew it was'nt going away.   Than one day a friend drove me home, and
> she mentioned about how she hears this low pitched HUM, and I estatic, for
> finding someone else who heard it, so I now had a support system, and knew it
> just was'nt me.  What a relief!

You are lucky! I am still in the position where I have met no-one who hears it as
I do. Any careful attempts to mention it to friends, colleagues or relatives have
resulted in either zero understanding or the usual tinitus suggestions.

I would like to be able to make some comparitive tests as the hum has been silent
for almost a week for me only returning to being barely detectable last night.

Is there anyone on the list in the south west of the UK?

Martin - South Glos, UK

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Thanks for the replys!  Yes, doing more experiments with this woman would be
great, but she has moved out of the area.  I did attempt to set up an
appointment with a gal in the geosciences department of Chico State
University, but she did not seem impressed.  It seemed like her lunch date
took priority over anything I had to say. So I gave up on that route.  

As for hearing the HUM, I have heard very little activity this past year in
Northern California, but i still keep my ear :-), to the ground. Anyone else
in Northern California been hearing much?  I would like to hear from you
either way.

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On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 Firedog401@aol.com wrote:

  >>Thanks for the replys!  Yes, doing more experiments with this woman would be
  >>great, but she has moved out of the area.  I did attempt to set up an
  >>appointment with a gal in the geosciences department of Chico State
  >>University, but she did not seem impressed.  It seemed like her lunch date
  >>took priority over anything I had to say. So I gave up on that route.  
  >>
  >>As for hearing the HUM, I have heard very little activity this past year in
  >>Northern California, but i still keep my ear :-), to the ground. Anyone else
  >>in Northern California been hearing much?  I would like to hear from you
  >>either way.
  >>
Lunch Date could be love, so you might have to wait about 2 months to 2
years before one is out of that spell.  I would still try to keep tabs
(occassionaly), for the future though.  Would she subcribe to the list?
  Chico? University = Chicago???  maybe someone can put on the pressure to
keep up the research..
------
More stupid stuff: have you tried a piece of Tin-Foil one one or both ears
during active days? (spinning around 360 degrees) [also try up, down] 
The direction of an INCREASE or a DECREASE should be noted here on the
list to compare to others. (trianglation)..
Some Other Materials held near/on one ear or both:
Magnets?
AC appliance?
DC appliance? 
(if it's a body reception) try putting the above on your wrist's, top of
your head, bottom of your feet (stand on it))
Daytime vs Night-Time would be very important too (if varied)
Soliton waves from the sun average pulse of 9 hours:
On active days have you tried morning - noon and night experiments?
Chart or record on a calander highest humm days (if your not already) 
and compare to the lunar cycles .. (and or winter, spring, summer,fall) 
record, record, record..
You may be :) the gifted/blessed, not the cursed!
You may have tried the above already, so sorry about the blaa-blaa-blaa 
but with more input from others (different times / same times etc..) 
the scientific community can learn more for the others out there.
Personally, I wish you the best as maybe it's the Earth actually breathing 
in whatever manner (aether-el nino-astrofluxation), either way you ARE
CUTTING EDGE!

Best to you & yours
-=se=-

p.s. When Doing your Records "Remind yourself, 'Hey COOOOL, I can sense
this and other can't!'  consider it unique and you can tell us, got cha!



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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Steve Ekwall wrote:

> From: Steve Ekwall <ekwall2@diac.com>
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:59:24 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: Reactions to hummers
> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 Firedog401@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   >>Thanks for the replys!  Yes, doing more experiments with this woman would be
>   >>great, but she has moved out of the area.  I did attempt to set up an
>   >>appointment with a gal in the geosciences department of Chico State
>   >>University, but she did not seem impressed.  It seemed like her lunch date
>   >>took priority over anything I had to say. So I gave up on that route.  
>   >>
>   >>As for hearing the HUM, I have heard very little activity this past year in
>   >>Northern California, but i still keep my ear :-), to the ground. Anyone else
>   >>in Northern California been hearing much?  I would like to hear from you
>   >>either way.
>   >>
> Lunch Date could be love, so you might have to wait about 2 months to 2
> years before one is out of that spell.  I would still try to keep tabs
> (occassionaly), for the future though.  Would she subcribe to the list?
>   Chico? University = Chicago???  maybe someone can put on the pressure to
> keep up the research..
> ------
> More stupid stuff: have you tried a piece of Tin-Foil one one or both ears
> during active days? (spinning around 360 degrees) [also try up, down] 
> The direction of an INCREASE or a DECREASE should be noted here on the
> list to compare to others. (trianglation)..
> Some Other Materials held near/on one ear or both:
> Magnets?
> AC appliance?
> DC appliance? 
> (if it's a body reception) try putting the above on your wrist's, top of
> your head, bottom of your feet (stand on it))
> Daytime vs Night-Time would be very important too (if varied)
> Soliton waves from the sun average pulse of 9 hours:
> On active days have you tried morning - noon and night experiments?
> Chart or record on a calander highest humm days (if your not already) 
> and compare to the lunar cycles .. (and or winter, spring, summer,fall) 
> record, record, record..
> You may be :) the gifted/blessed, not the cursed!
> You may have tried the above already, so sorry about the blaa-blaa-blaa 
> but with more input from others (different times / same times etc..) 
> the scientific community can learn more for the others out there.
> Personally, I wish you the best as maybe it's the Earth actually breathing 
> in whatever manner (aether-el nino-astrofluxation), either way you ARE
> CUTTING EDGE!
> 
> Best to you & yours
> -=se=-
> 
> p.s. When Doing your Records "Remind yourself, 'Hey COOOOL, I can sense
> this and other can't!'  consider it unique and you can tell us, got cha!
> 
Steve

I am prepared to try your "stupid" stuff (your words), but let's get one thing straight, this hum is not a pleasant sensation, not 
something one could possibly think of as COOL or consider oneself priveleged to sense, it is like chronic pain, it scrambles the 
brain and the body.  We're not playing with "an interesting phenomenon" here, this is a mind-threatening, health-threatening 
scourge.



Julie

_____________________________

Julie Parsons
j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk





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> > More stupid stuff: have you tried a piece of Tin-Foil one one or both ears
> > during active days? (spinning around 360 degrees) [also try up, down]
> > The direction of an INCREASE or a DECREASE should be noted here on the
> > list to compare to others. (trianglation)..
> > Some Other Materials held near/on one ear or both:
> > Magnets?

This is not so stupid. I'm sure that I'm being affected by some
electromagnetic
or electrostatic field that my brain is perceiving as sound/vibration.
After a
quiet week the hum is increasing again. It was louder last night after
being
just detectable the previous. I wonder if I'll be able to sleep in a
tin-foil
balaclava hat tonight :-)

> I am prepared to try your "stupid" stuff (your words), but let's get one thing straight, this hum is not a pleasant sensation, not
> something one could possibly think of as COOL or consider oneself priveleged to sense, it is like chronic pain, it scrambles the
> brain and the body.  We're not playing with "an interesting phenomenon" here, this is a mind-threatening, health-threatening
> scourge.

I agree entirely. Whilst I have not experienced chronic pain, I have
begun to notice a
possible correlation between hum intensity and other health related
effects on my body.

Martin - South Glos, UK

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Martin Noble wrote:

> > > More stupid stuff: have you tried a piece of Tin-Foil one one or
> both ears
> > > during active days? (spinning around 360 degrees) [also try up,
> down]
> > > The direction of an INCREASE or a DECREASE should be noted here on
> the
> > > list to compare to others. (trianglation)..
> > > Some Other Materials held near/on one ear or both:
> > > Magnets?
>
> This is not so stupid. I'm sure that I'm being affected by some
> electromagnetic
> or electrostatic field that my brain is perceiving as sound/vibration.
>
> After a
> quiet week the hum is increasing again. It was louder last night after
>
> being
> just detectable the previous. I wonder if I'll be able to sleep in a
> tin-foil
> balaclava hat tonight :-)
>
> > I am prepared to try your "stupid" stuff (your words), but let's get
> one thing straight, this hum is not a pleasant sensation, not
> > something one could possibly think of as COOL or consider oneself
> priveleged to sense, it is like chronic pain, it scrambles the
> > brain and the body.  We're not playing with "an interesting
> phenomenon" here, this is a mind-threatening, health-threatening
> > scourge.
>
> I agree entirely. Whilst I have not experienced chronic pain, I have
> begun to notice a
> possible correlation between hum intensity and other health related
> effects on my body.
>
> Martin - South Glos, UK

Hi, This is Sara Allen coming out of lurk mode.

This post is to let everyone know that I  have also noticed a marked
increase in the intensity of the hum during the past week. Prior to that
it was there but not of  "attention getting" intensity. I am not the
only one in the Taos area to notice this change and I see that our
friends in the UK have noticed a corresponding increase. This is not the
first time that I have seen this "coincidence." I have seen this many
times over the years. It usually corresponds to some increase in
Military activity somewhere in the world. Sometimes the news gets hold
of the Military movements and reports on them in a timely fashion. Other
times I have to dig into news papers and such to find out where and what
is transpiring militarily.
At least one other person in the Taos area (where I live) has also
noticed for the first time an accompanying "bee hive" buzzing sound
along with the "idling diesel" sound of the hum. I occasionally hear
this bee hive sound but for me it is not omnipresent like the idling
diesel.
I would also like to put to rest a persistent rumor that the Taos hum
has ceased to be heard in the Taos area. There is absolutely no truth to
that rumor. It has been constant since I began to experience it in the
early 90's. It changes only in intensity. Many others here have confided
in me that they also experience the hum but do not want to go public
with their experience. Many times when one person in a family senses it,
the others will eventually begin to sense it as well.
I have been able to present my simulation to several people who were
skeptical about the hum who then were able to pick the hum out of the
environment after the simulation was presented. Several asked me to turn
the simulation off because it was annoying them. I replied honestly that
I had already turned the simulation off and they now, unfortunately, had
joined our group of "hearers".
I am convinced that it is not an audio phenomenon. I believe that it is
some kind of sensory response to an outside stimulus. I believe that
many more people are sensitive to this sensory response but because of
the noisy environments in which most of the human race lives, they do
not notice it as being out of the ordinary. For many months I thought it
was my refrigerator running and I kept thinking "that damn thing runs
all the time, maybe I should call the repair man." One day the power
went out for quite some time, affecting a large area. Hell, my
"refrigerator" kept running. One morning on a camping trip, I woke at
sunrise and wondered why there was so much traffic on the roadway. Hey,
I was on an island in the middle of a lake, miles away from the nearest
highway, which even when busy is lightly traveled. I grew up in an urban
area and know what the sound of a busy interstate sounds like at night
or in the early morning hours, when all else is quiet. That's what it
sounded like that day.
I also want to remind everyone, that about two years ago, a nuclear
safety engineer with ties to Los Alamos National Lab and the China Lake
Naval Weapons Lab, approached me after reading an article in the
Albuquerque Journal, and confided in me that he had seen the equipment
which I believe is responsible for the hum. He also stated that "they"
never foresaw the possibility that humans would be able to sense it's
effects. He also stated that "they" don't know what to do about it. I
have his resume and name on file but he has refused to go public and has
asked me to keep his name confidential.
During the past few years I have grown tired of conversing and reporting
and griping and alerting people about the hum. I personally would rather
spend my time playing golf, which is what I am going to do after posting
this. The hum, however, has a way of forcing it's way back into my life
via people who have heard of me and want to share their experience's
with the hum. I usually have one to two new "hearers" per month popping
up on the phone or my voice mail who want to tell me all about it. I
don't always reply because of the time it generally takes me to sit
still and listen to their stories. I receive packets of stuff in the
mail with their "evidence" of what they believe it is. I usually browse
through it to see if there is anything new and unusual and add it to the
stack of paper in my storage unit.
Reporting all this to the authorities is, in my opinion, useless.  I
believe that the reason for this is because of all the conspiracy
theorists who insist on making the hum the reason for ALL the madness in
the world. Most Senators and Congressman have a difficult time weeding
out the factual from the rest of the stuff.
As troublesome as the hum is. I believe that we are all going to have to
learn to live with it. It is going to be part of our lives for a long
time to come. Fortify against it, be aware of it, but do not let it beat
you.

Sara T. Allen,
Taos, New Mexico
October 16, 1997


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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Julie Parsons wrote:
  >>I am prepared to try your "stupid" stuff (your words), but let's get one thing straight, this hum is not a pleasant sensation, not 
  >>something one could possibly think of as COOL or consider oneself priveleged to sense, it is like chronic pain, it scrambles the 
  >>brain and the body.  We're not playing with "an interesting phenomenon" here, this is a mind-threatening, health-threatening 
  >>scourge.
  >>--------------
  >>Julie Parsons
  >>j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk
  
Sorry for the misunderstanding there, I made the "stupid" stuff 
suggestions as I figured you've tried ALL the other avenues medically
available to you.  I feel there is AN ANSWER!  Was only trying to help. 
The more people, Trying more things should expidite a cure to the scourge.
Nothings stupid, and nothings gained until its tried.
(* Do you Know of anyone afflicted that has been in a Pressure Chamber
used to deep-compress deep-sea divers? Couldyou access one as a volunteer)
I wish I could offer _help_ more at the moment.... (sigh)

-=se=-



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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Martin Noble wrote:

  >>This is not so stupid. I'm sure that I'm being affected by some
  >>electromagnetic
  >>or electrostatic field that my brain is perceiving as sound/vibration.
  >>After a
  >>quiet week the hum is increasing again. It was louder last night after
  >>being
  >>just detectable the previous. I wonder if I'll be able to sleep in a
  >>tin-foil
  >>balaclava hat tonight :-)
  >>
-----------
Thanks for the info (re:last night Increased)
I just Marked My calander for your increase last night, but then it
dawned on me, (I thought this was a New list), where can I go to get the
for data that has been stored referencing Times, dates, geographical
locations for suffers records? (http://?) other pages?

Thanks
-=se=-



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> (* Do you Know of anyone afflicted that has been in a Pressure Chamber
> used to deep-compress deep-sea divers? Couldyou access one as a volunteer)
> I wish I could offer _help_ more at the moment.... (sigh)

Similarly, it would interesting to know if any afflictee has access to a 
Faraday Cage to see if the effects are screened by the cage.

Martin

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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Steve Ekwall wrote:

> Thanks for the info (re:last night Increased)
> I just Marked My calander for your increase last night, but then it
> dawned on me, (I thought this was a New list), where can I go to get the
> for data that has been stored referencing Times, dates, geographical
> locations for suffers records? (http://?) other pages?

Hi Steve!

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  >>> (* Do you Know of anyone afflicted that has been in a Pressure Chamber
  >>> used to deep-compress deep-sea divers? Couldyou access one as a volunteer)
  >>> I wish I could offer _help_ more at the moment.... (sigh)
  >>
  >>Similarly, it would interesting to know if any afflictee has access to a 
  >>Faraday Cage to see if the effects are screened by the cage.
  >>Martin
  >>
Similarly also, I thought about an isolation system (cage/air/electro..
whatever) but have READ reports of level 4-5 up being still pierced by
this if in a house or AUTOMOBILE (rubber tires).. I was going to suggest
a HAMMOCK of sorts sleeping arrangment that would include your basic
hammock design (insolated/isolated) with springs, AND thick Rubber blocks,
OR other tested material at the two supports.
 Sadly (I think I'm 'just' a level 1 or 2) [AND have even read about
individuals saying it's "a pleasant sound"??. Reading more on higher
levels,
(which I think the "levels" might need 'group review' for
reclassification], we need more DATA!!! 
  BUT, (big BUT!) when YOU all out there (levels 2,3+?) find
something/ANYTHING that appears to WORK, no matter how stupid (my word) it
sounds I think it should be added to the list for others.

This isn't a 'catch22' situation, nor unresearchable by any/all members of
the list.. It is, though, unique (duh), in the fact that levels of hearers
around 4+ would be most motivated to "SHUT THE !@$# thing OFF" etc...
---
IS there a level 4+ person that could/has/had made a program/unix filter 
to "accept the inputs of WHO, WHEN, WHERE, INTENSITY rating", that ALL can
type into? ...  I Guess I'm speaking of an interested party (programmer) 
that can put together a 'touch-stone' URL to be study'd on the fly or
later (sigh)..

Best to you & yours
-=se-=

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Sara Allen:

I live in New Jersey right across from Manhattan and the "hum" here has
become more intense over the past week.  It has been non-stop 24 hours a day.
 This seems to correpond to your increase also.  I want to throw out a
question to the group.  What would be the common factor in each of us that
allows us to hear the "hum"?  We didn't always hear this sound.  Our lives
were going along just fine and then "bam" one day we suddenly hear this
sound.  Can anyone pinpoint the change that happened, and what do we all have
in common that would cause only us to hear it?  Any ideas...

Naomi

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On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:

> From: NaomiHall@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Reactions to hummers
> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
> 
> Sara Allen:
> 
> I live in New Jersey right across from Manhattan and the "hum" here has
> become more intense over the past week.  It has been non-stop 24 hours a day.
>  This seems to correpond to your increase also.  I want to throw out a
> question to the group.  What would be the common factor in each of us that
> allows us to hear the "hum"?  We didn't always hear this sound.  Our lives
> were going along just fine and then "bam" one day we suddenly hear this
> sound.  Can anyone pinpoint the change that happened, and what do we all have
> in common that would cause only us to hear it?  Any ideas...
> 
> Naomi
> 

Naomi

The following list comprises any information I can think of that may ring a bell with someone else.

Lived in Suffolk, UK, for 3 years, no hum.
Rented house in Norfolk, UK, 1988, no hum.
Moved to bungalow in rural Norfolk UK April 1989.
Husband started hearing hum immediately.
I began to hear it suddently May 1989.
Thought it was animal feed mill so moved but hum remained.
Neither of us had any ear infections or bangs on the head etc. 
No traumatic events at that time (except starting to hear the hum!).
Kept on moving, but hum still remains.
Husband 44 when first heard hum.
I was 41 when first heard hum.
Two daughters who have never heard hum.
Don't hear hum at work where there are many loud extractor fans.
Cheap ear defenders, whilst uncomfortable, do cut out all but the most intense hum modes for both of us.
Intense hum heard in valley in Yorkshire.
No hum heard in valley in Derbyshire.
No hum heard on Greek island.
Hum heard in New Forest.
Increased sinus problems since living in Norfolk, which is dry, flat and mostly arable farming.
A lot of military establishments in area.
Underlying rock mostly chalk.
Less than average rainfall in east of England since at least 1988, with chalk aquifers drying out.
Can't think of anything else at the moment.


_____________________________

Julie Parsons
j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk





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At 10:18 20/10/97 BST, you wrote:
>
>On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:
>
>> From: NaomiHall@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: Reactions to hummers
>> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
>> 
>
>The following list comprises any information I can think of that may ring a
bell with someone else.
>
>Lived in Suffolk, UK, for 3 years, no hum.
>Rented house in Norfolk, UK, 1988, no hum.
>Moved to bungalow in rural Norfolk UK April 1989.
>Husband started hearing hum immediately.
>I began to hear it suddently May 1989.
>Thought it was animal feed mill so moved but hum remained.
>Neither of us had any ear infections or bangs on the head etc. 
>No traumatic events at that time (except starting to hear the hum!).
>Kept on moving, but hum still remains.
>Husband 44 when first heard hum.
>I was 41 when first heard hum.
>Two daughters who have never heard hum.
>Don't hear hum at work where there are many loud extractor fans.
>Cheap ear defenders, whilst uncomfortable, do cut out all but the most
intense hum modes for both of us.
>Intense hum heard in valley in Yorkshire.
>No hum heard in valley in Derbyshire.
>No hum heard on Greek island.
>Hum heard in New Forest.
>Increased sinus problems since living in Norfolk, which is dry, flat and
mostly arable farming.
>A lot of military establishments in area.
>Underlying rock mostly chalk.
>Less than average rainfall in east of England since at least 1988, with
chalk aquifers drying out.
>Can't think of anything else at the moment.
>
Julie,
You can add to your list the powerful Rolls Royce engines at Watton which
pump natural gas through unerground pipes around Norfolk.
Isn't the central radar establishment for the UK with its giant rotating
aerials still at Watton RAF base?
Not to mention the TV transmitter at Martlesham (or is it Medlesham?)

I would be very surprised if the Post Office Research Centre at Martlesham
Heath wasn't aware of the hum either.

Ronald.

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At 10:37 AM 10/16/97 -0600, Sara Allen wrote:

>This post is to let everyone know that I  have also noticed a marked
>increase in the intensity of the hum during the past week. Prior to that
>it was there but not of  "attention getting" intensity. I am not the
>only one in the Taos area to notice this change and I see that our
>friends in the UK have noticed a corresponding increase.

I have to agree with the reports of increased intensity.  Here in the
north-central Sierras, the hum has been building for a couple of weeks or
so, and is currently the worst it has been since the summer of 1995.  I am
also hearing it now in places up here which were relatively silent in
September. 

I belong to a another list and am beginning to see reports of a "night
sound" that is keeping people awake, which I am almost sure is the hum.
These people have not recognized themselves as hummers, so this is
"incidental" conversation.  The location of these "noise" reports, as far as
I know, is southern California.  Even as I write this at 7:30 a.m. PDT, the
hum is very intense, very heavy sounding, and yesterday was simply terrible.

Judy
El Dorado, CA

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I'm not convinced we're all hearing the same thing. What I'd really like to 
do is get a few hum-hearers together at one spot and try to determine if 
they're hearing the same thing even when in the same place. Has anyone done 
this?

Roy Lewallen

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:
>Sara Allen:
>
>I live in New Jersey right across from Manhattan and the "hum" here has
>become more intense over the past week.  It has been non-stop 24 hours a 
day.
> This seems to correpond to your increase also.  I want to throw out a
>question to the group.  What would be the common factor in each of us that
>allows us to hear the "hum"?  We didn't always hear this sound.  Our lives
>were going along just fine and then "bam" one day we suddenly hear this
>sound.  Can anyone pinpoint the change that happened, and what do we all 
have
>in common that would cause only us to hear it?  Any ideas...
>
>Naomi
>
>
>

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I've found the hum to be almost absent for some time (a couple of months?) 
now. But I was in northern California last week and this weekend and heard 
it. Late Thursday night I was between Ukiah and Mendocino and heard it once 
as I was falling asleep. In a hotel in Concord, I heard hum which was very 
much like the hum I usually here, but very much louder. (The hum I hear 
cycles on and off irregularly with a period of a few seconds to a minute or 
two.) I don't know if the hum in the hotel was from some other source, and 
I wasn't at any other location during my trip to tell if the hum was 
present. I've heard the hum over quite a wide geographic area but always at 
roughly the same intensity. If the hum at the hotel was from the same 
source, it's very interesting since it was so much louder. But with all the 
air conditioning and other systems in the hotel, it could have been just a 
local noise. I'll pay special attention the next time I'm in the Bay area.

Roy Lewallen

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Firedog401@aol.com wrote:
>Thanks for the replys!  Yes, doing more experiments with this woman would 
be
>great, but she has moved out of the area.  I did attempt to set up an
>appointment with a gal in the geosciences department of Chico State
>University, but she did not seem impressed.  It seemed like her lunch date
>took priority over anything I had to say. So I gave up on that route.  
>
>As for hearing the HUM, I have heard very little activity this past year 
in
>Northern California, but i still keep my ear :-), to the ground. Anyone 
else
>in Northern California been hearing much?  I would like to hear from you
>either way.
>
>
>

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w7el@teleport.com wrote:
> 
> I'm not convinced we're all hearing the same thing. What I'd really like to
> do is get a few hum-hearers together at one spot and try to determine if
> they're hearing the same thing even when in the same place. Has anyone done
> this?

   Good idea - sort of a hum convention. In an area where the hum is
active for a number of people and at a strong level. Bringing others
into that exact same area (perhaps some who have never been in that area
before) who are also hum sensitive; this may lead to some answers. Or at
least give us common ground.  Even tho after exploring multiple
possibilities myself, I believe there are different forms of the hum
that can be perceived.
                             Denis                                  


> 
> Roy Lewallen
> 
> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, NaomiHall@aol.com wrote:
> >Sara Allen:
> >
> >I live in New Jersey right across from Manhattan and the "hum" here has
> >become more intense over the past week.  It has been non-stop 24 hours a
> day.
> > This seems to correpond to your increase also.  I want to throw out a
> >question to the group.  What would be the common factor in each of us that
> >allows us to hear the "hum"?  We didn't always hear this sound.  Our lives
> >were going along just fine and then "bam" one day we suddenly hear this
> >sound.  Can anyone pinpoint the change that happened, and what do we all
> have
> >in common that would cause only us to hear it?  Any ideas...
> >
> >Naomi
> >
> >
> >

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Hi Folks:

In relation to how several people perceive the hum you may wish to check back
into the early days of Taos Hum-L, the archives, where you'll find a letter
or two from Bernardo Mauve (fingers crossed about correct spelling), a man in
Mexico who reported that several members of his family perceived the Hum and
additionally that they could readily compare slight changes in the hum as
being concurrently perceived by all the hearers present.  I asked Bernardo
for more info and he described essentially the same thing, that when a slight
change would occur in the hum all hearers in his family would agree about the
type and quality of the change.  This of course instantly suggests that the
Hum is from an outside source because any form of disease, tinnitus etc.,
would have no known way of connecting between hearers in such an
instantaneous fashion.  

Larry Grant    LGrant44@aol.com

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>You can add to your list the powerful Rolls Royce engines at 
>Watton which pump natural gas through unerground pipes around 
>Norfolk.

What is the exact location of the Rolls Royce engines at Watton?
How many horsepower do they have?

Has Julie visited Watton?

Regards, Anders

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At 17:28 23/10/97 CDT, you wrote:
>
>>You can add to your list the powerful Rolls Royce engines at 
>>Watton which pump natural gas through unerground pipes around 
>>Norfolk.
>
>What is the exact location of the Rolls Royce engines at Watton?
>How many horsepower do they have?
>
>Has Julie visited Watton?
>
>Regards, Anders

I saw two engines and compressors about 15 years or so ago, when my company
was asked to do some work at the gas compressor station. They were being
made ready for use then, but I have no idea of their HP.  At a guess I would
say that they were similar in size to the diesel-electric engines used by
small railway engines.  
 Unfortunately I was not doing the driving to and from the plant and the
exact location escapes my memory.

I'm pretty sure that Julie will have been through Watton at some time.

Regards,
Ronald.

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Repost from other mail list.
This might be somehow relevant to hum.

Francis X Roarty wrote :
> I recall hearing of a technicque whereby 2 ultrasonic transducers 
>could "create"sound at a focal point by beating together when one 
>of the ultrasonics  was frequency modulated with audio.Has anyone 
>else run across an article or thread on this?

The system is developed by American Technology Corporation (ATC) of Poway, 
California, and is the brainchild of Elwood Norris, the company's chief 
technology officer. They have a working prototype. 2 ultrasonic waves 
(inaudible) at different frequencies are emitted. Where they overlap and 
interfere,  an audible sound is generated. The technique is called 
"acoustical heterodyning".

I read about it in New Scientist, September 7th 1996, p. 22  "Perfect sound 
from thin air".
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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:14:19 +0100 (BST) Ron Hill wrote:

> From: Ron Hill <ronhill@mail.enterprise.net>
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:14:19 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: Ang.: Re: Reactions to hummers
> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
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> At 17:28 23/10/97 CDT, you wrote:
> >
> >>You can add to your list the powerful Rolls Royce engines at 
> >>Watton which pump natural gas through unerground pipes around 
> >>Norfolk.

Anders, 

Yes, there are a large number of these plants around the UK pumping North Sea Gas via large diameter pipes around the country 
coming from the Bacton Gas Terminal on the North Norfolk coast (and Aberdeen in Scotland I think) which is where most of the 
North Sea gas field pipelines come ashore. 
 

> >Has Julie visited Watton?

Yes, I've passed through it many times, and stopped for petrol, hearing the same hum.  However, in a village called Thompson not 
far from Watton we once followed a footpath around the perimeter of the Stanfield Army Training Ground where we heard/felt the 
loudest/strongest sensation/noise we have heard anywhere else - I have to describe it in these rather odd terms because the 
sensation was very very strong outside which is unusual, but in the car with the windows shut it seemed to turn into more of a 
sound like the normal diesel engine type hum, but maybe more pulsating in nature (maybe the compressor station is nearby, or 
maybe there is something lurking on Stanfield military training ground!).  There are three national gas transmission pipes crossing 
Norfolk, I'm not sure if local gas is transported separately or branches off these main gas pipes (if it does then the engine noise will 
be transmitted around the local pipes also).


______________________________

Julie Parsons
j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk





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Is it possible that the same thing could occur with subsonics equally well?

Regards,
Ronald.



At 17:33 24/10/97 CDT,Anders wrote:
>Repost from other mail list.
>This might be somehow relevant to hum.
>
>Francis X Roarty wrote :
>> I recall hearing of a technicque whereby 2 ultrasonic transducers 
>>could "create"sound at a focal point by beating together when one 
>>of the ultrasonics  was frequency modulated with audio.Has anyone 
>>else run across an article or thread on this?
>
>The system is developed by American Technology Corporation (ATC) of Poway, 
>California, and is the brainchild of Elwood Norris, the company's chief 
>technology officer. They have a working prototype. 2 ultrasonic waves 
>(inaudible) at different frequencies are emitted. Where they overlap and 
>interfere,  an audible sound is generated. The technique is called 
>"acoustical heterodyning".
>
>I read about it in New Scientist, September 7th 1996, p. 22  "Perfect sound 
>from thin air".
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>Jean-Pierre Lentin
>1 rue de Prague, 75012 PARIS, France phone 33 1 43 47 00 63
>fax  33 1 44 67 90 56
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>
>

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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, i3683@csc.dk (I3683) wrote:
>Repost from other mail list.
>This might be somehow relevant to hum.
>
>Francis X Roarty wrote :
>> I recall hearing of a technicque whereby 2 ultrasonic transducers 
>>could "create"sound at a focal point by beating together when one 
>>of the ultrasonics  was frequency modulated with audio.Has anyone 
>>else run across an article or thread on this?
>
>The system is developed by American Technology Corporation (ATC) of Poway, 
>California, and is the brainchild of Elwood Norris, the company's chief 
>technology officer. They have a working prototype. 2 ultrasonic waves 
>(inaudible) at different frequencies are emitted. Where they overlap and 
>interfere,  an audible sound is generated. The technique is called 
>"acoustical heterodyning".
>
>I read about it in New Scientist, September 7th 1996, p. 22  "Perfect 
sound 
>from thin air".
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Jean-Pierre Lentin
>1 rue de Prague, 75012 PARIS, France phone 33 1 43 47 00 63
>fax  33 1 44 67 90 56
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Most interesting! That finally answers the question I posted on April 10:

  Here's a thought, and maybe someone who has the equipment could try it
  out. It requires two synthesized signal generators, two speakers with
  good high-frequency response, and maybe a stereo amplifier. Hook a signal 
  generator to each speaker and adjust the signal generators for a
  super-audible frequency (say, 25 or 30 kHz). Set their frequencies so
  they differ by 50-100 Hz or so and place the speakers where you can hear
  both. Do you hear a hum? I'd do this but I'm not well equipped for audio
  work. (The test should be repeated with the signal generators at audible
  frequencies to make sure that the hum-like beat note is heard as I'd
  expect.)

  Just adding two sounds (a linear process) doesn't produce a beat note.
  It's produced by a nonlinear process such as multiplication or any
  distortion-causing process. The ears do this "mixing" normally with
  audible sounds. I'm wondering if they can also do this with super-audible 
  sounds, producing a sound we can hear.

  I don't think this is an explanation for the hum, because the hum isn't
  attenuated like I'd expect high frequency sound waves to be, and it's
  hard to imagine a mechanism allowing such widespread propagation of
  high-pitched sounds. But it might get us thinking about related processes 
  that might be more likely (like, say, a beat between two radio-frequency
  EM waves).

What application is the heterodyning technique being used for?

Roy Lewallen

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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Ron Hill <ronhill@mail.enterprise.net> wrote:
>Is it possible that the same thing could occur with subsonics equally 
well?
>
>Regards,
>Ronald.

Hm, that's an interesting question. When tones are mixed, both the sum and 
difference are produced. Two tones of 15 Hz (below the nominal 20 Hz lower 
range of hearing) would produce a 30 Hz beat. But you wouldn't be able to 
make anything above 40 Hz with two tones below 20. The difference frequency 
of any two such tones would always be too low to hear.

Roy Lewallen

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<HTML>
<I>Technical comments, subjects of frequencies and transduction, and binaural
beats</I>

<P>w7el@teleport.com wrote regarding Reactions to hummers,
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Ron Hill &lt;ronhill@mail.enterprise.net>
wrote:
<BR>>Is it possible that the same thing could occur with subsonics equally
well?
<BR>Hm, that's an interesting question. When tones are mixed, both the
sum and
<BR>difference are produced. Two tones of 15 Hz (below the nominal 20 Hz
lower
<BR>range of hearing) would produce a 30 Hz beat. But you wouldn't be able
to
<BR>make anything above 40 Hz with two tones below 20. The difference frequency
<BR>of any two such tones would always be too low to hear.
<BR>Roy Lewallen</BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Sum and difference frequencies are produced only by non-linear transducers.
Transducers for which the output is strictly proportional to the input
do not have this behavior.

<P>2. Sum and difference frequencies <I>are </I>produced by non-linear
transducers for which the relationship between output and input (the "transfer
function") is quadradic (a polynomial having constant, first-order, and
squared terms). In general, only transfer functions that have quadradic
terms produce sum and difference outputs (and no more complex combinations
than f1, f2, f1-f2, and f1+f2).

<P>3. Transfer functions having higher-order terms than quadratic can and
do produce frequencies consisting of terms such as those of sum (f1 + f2),
difference (absolute value of f1-f2), double (f1+f1 and f2+f2), differences
of double (2f1-f2 and 2f2-f1) and so forth.

<P>4. In normal hearing ranges, at "low" intensity and mid-range frequencies,
the hearing apparatus is sufficiently linear that the sum and difference
frequencies are rarely perceived. However, the previous poster has a point:
at lower and lower frequencies the sensitivity of the human ear decreases,
so that 16 Hz is the accepted nominal lower cutoff for perception (as tones)
of low frequency signals. However, the high order terms of any transducer
become increasingly apparent as intensity increases (except for a strictly
linear one, which probably is impossible in principle, for any physical
phenomenum, including even light). Therefore, sum and difference frequencies
of higher and higher orders will be produced as the intensity increases.

<P>5. This latter effect was observed in some of the early experiments,
dating from about 1910, and was the theoretical basis for the dismissal
of "binaural beats", as being strictly a perception produced by the non-linear
transduction of low frequency sounds. In fact, as was discovered during
later decades, binaural beats are a preception of frequencies in the range
of 0.2 Hz (or so) to about 20 Hz (or so). They are strictly neurological
in origin and are not associated in any direct way with those produced
by nonlinear transduction. There is a population of cells, identified as
those in the inferior colliculus (bilaterally), that act as frequency-difference
detectors; that is, in response to the simultaneous presentation of tones
of two frequencies, they accept the output of the hearing apparatus from
each ear (limited, as mentioned above, to frequencies above 16 Hz or so)
and calculate the difference frequency of the two tones. The sensitivitity
of the inferior colliculus with respect to its input frequencies has been
well studied and shown to be limited to frequencies in the ordinary mid
range. The two (or more) frequencies must lie in the range of about 500
Hz to 2500 Hz and their difference must be in the range of about 0.1 Hz
to 20 to 30Hz.&nbsp; The output of the inferior colliculas has been directly
observed on nerve fibers that connect directly to the frontal and lateral
cortexs of the brain. The pulses do directly follow the frequency difference
of the two acoustic tones presented. And they disappear as the frequencies
of the tones become lower. There may be an additional neurological center
in the superior olivary complex, but this has not been well studied, to
my knowledge, from the viewpoint of binaural beats.

<P><I>Conclusions.</I> It seems likely to me that low frequency difference
tones could be produced with all kinds of frequencies, low to high, from
the nonlinear transduction of even a single very low frequency tone. Knowing
nothing otherwise, I would not discourage further investigations into the
response of the human ear to intense low frequency sounds. (I recall that
there has been some such research, related to the acoustic vibrations produced
at the time of launching powerful rockets. The topic would be "subsonic"
or something similar.) On the other hand, it seems unlikely to me, because
I have studied the phenomena thoroughly over a period of years, that acousticly-produced
binaural beats are a factor in the production of the hum phenomena.

<P><I>Final note.</I> In the above discussion, I have been considering
the transduction exclusively of the hearing apparatus with regard to low
frequency acoustic phenomena. My present research interest is in exploring
the <I>somic</I> (body) human response to low frequencies. I conjecture
that low-frequency stimulation of the pressure sensing nerves throughout
the body, due to motion, vibration, or severe acoustic compression of the
body, may induce perception of effects similar to those of binaural beats
produced by acoustic stimula. For this reason, I am monitoring your newsgroup,
but hasten to caution that at present I am unable to comment further on
the subject of low-frequency stimulations as they may relate to your experiences.Dan
W. Scott, PhD
<BR>&nbsp;</HTML>

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At 23:07 24/10/97 +1000, you wrote:
>I was pleased to hear of some sense coming out of the courts just recently.
>A judge down south has rejected the decision that it was a discrimination
>against lesbians to be able to have artifical inpregnation (HIP HIP HOORAY)
>At least for a while there will be some kids that will not suffer.
>Family values must come first, just look whats happening with single
>parents let alone lesbians or poofs (what do you call them?) things would
>really be stuffed up.
>3 chears for that judge keep up the good work.


Yes, at the risk of being flamed I tend to agree with you Kev. 

There is a very good social reason why gay type relationships  should not be endowed with children.
To cut through the crap: every single child needs a balance of male and female energy.
A child needs both the TLC from the female and the hard over soft of the male aura for the child to grow up with healthy social attainment. This can rarely be gained from single parent and gay type relationships. The reason is, because two auras of the sa
me energy repel, and do not attract. A baby girl will be attracted more to the male parent; a baby boy will be attracted to the female parent, even though the baby doesn't know the difference between male and female. The babies natural aura is attracted t
o its opposite energy. Two gay parents cause a babies energies to become confused. The auras/energies of two gay parents will also repel each other. It is a bit like forcing two opposing S+S or N+N poles of a magnet to attract,which can never happen, and 
therefore should not be a forced situation.

 A high percentage of  children not bought up in a balanced relationship end up with similar social problems of the single or gay parent. Be those problems personal or external.  An unbalanced child will grow into an unbalanced adult which can lead to sel
f unrest, which can lead to drug abuse, crime, prostitution, etc. and which may contribute to a far shorter life span. Obviously this is not the case with every child, but there is a heighten increase in single parenting/gay families. Money is the biggest
 cause of single parent families.  A parent seeking the better financial life (because of 'grass is greener syndrome' or 'keeping up with the Jones' syndrome ) chooses to forgo their moral responsibilities, or let themselves fall into a rut. The early sta
ges of a child's development is the vital period, therefore parents should attempt to stay together if possible, until the first 16-18 years of the child's life. The parents should separate immediately if there is any form of violence within the family.  
Violence only breeds violence and children in such an environment carry heavy emotional scares and social problems for life. More Laws 'WILL NOT fix these problems; LAWS will only enslave people minds, which will continue the cycle and breed increased hat
red and in the end, probable violence and suicides.

When an unbalanced adult/adolescent searches to correct the  parental aura balance missing from his/her childhood, through crime, prostitution etc., all of society pays for their torment, either directly or indirectly, either financially or emotionally.  
Each individual of our society pays part of the cost. The answer is to teach every child/parent the basic laws of balance,and in the above case the overall solution in society is to balance the financial greed of the world. Not possible I know.  In a dire
ct balance of karma, the segregation of the rich over the poor , the rich have in effect, created their own problems. If the rich gave back to society, then society would regain most of its social dignity and balance.  Attacks on the 'haves' from the 'hav
e-nots' would not be so frequent. People who use evil against others will also receive their balance and their own torture will return to them in balanced amounts. Evil will not escape
the unbreakable laws of the universe. Time is irrelevant, evil will get their penitence eternity is waiting  forever.
 
The above is but only one example of the simple laws of balance. 

Every thing in the entire universe must balance else it will cease to exist. THIS IS THE LAW OF THE UNIVERSE. 
Every thing from atoms to Galaxies must balance else they will all cease to exist. 
Every thing from a needle in a hay stack to a persons thoughts and actions, must balance, else they will ALL cease to exist. Every thing from the wind and the tides,  hot and cold , rich and poor, day and night, black and white , good an evil, up and down
, back to forward, etc... etc...  When the balance is upset, turmoil/force/energy results; when the unbalanced energy subsides, then realignment and balance can once again continue. 

[A very real example of balance]
Take a look at the balance of our planet and fully realise that, according to the 'LAW OF THE UNIVERSE', life on this planet will cease to exist. Because every single man doesn't fully understand the simple LAW OF BALANCE.
These rules have to be applied right now if man is to survive past this century. These rules must be taught at the
individual level. They must be taught to each and every person, and must be applied at the individual level
for all of society to benefit as a whole and the earth to continue to exist as one.


These 'simple laws' should be taught at kindergarten they are so childishly simple.  Why can't man learn the simple things of life instead of looking for the complicated ego trip paradigms ?  There is still so many amazing things to be learned from the si
mplest of ideas. 

[No pun intended Kev]


G.D.Mutch

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PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
Sara T. Allen,
Taos, NM


On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, i3910 wrote:

> At 23:07 24/10/97 +1000, you wrote:
> >I was pleased to hear of some sense coming out of the courts just recently.
> >A judge down south has rejected the decision that it was a discrimination
> >against lesbians to be able to have artifical inpregnation (HIP HIP HOORAY)
> >At least for a while there will be some kids that will not suffer.
> >Family values must come first, just look whats happening with single
> >parents let alone lesbians or poofs (what do you call them?) things would> >3 chears for that judge keep up the good work.
> 
> 
> Yes, at the risk of being flamed I tend to agree with you Kev. 
> 
> There is a very good social reason why gay type relationships  should not be endowed with children.
> To cut through the crap: every single child needs a balance of male and female energy.
> A child needs both the TLC from the female and the hard over soft of the male aura for the child to grow up with healthy social attainment. This can rarely be gained from single parent and gay type relationships. The reason is, because two auras of the 
same energy repel, and do not attract. A baby girl will be attracted more to the male parent; a baby boy will be attracted to the female parent, even though the baby doesn't know the difference between male and female. The babies natural aura is attracted
 to its opposite energy. Two gay parents cause a babies energies to become confused. The auras/energies of two gay parents will also repel each other. It is a bit like forcing two opposing S+S or N+N poles of a magnet to attract,which can never happen, an
d therefore should not be a forced situation.
> 
>  A high percentage of  children not bought up in a balanced relationship end up with similar social problems of the single or gay parent. Be those problems personal or external.  An unbalanced child will grow into an unbalanced adult which can lead to s
elf unrest, which can lead to drug abuse, crime, prostitution, etc. and which may contribute to a far shorter life span. Obviously this is not the case with every child, but there is a heighten increase in single parenting/gay families. Money is the bigge
st cause of single parent families.  A parent seeking the better financial life (because of 'grass is greener syndrome' or 'keeping up with the Jones' syndrome ) chooses to forgo their moral responsibilities, or let themselves fall into a rut. The early s
tages of a child's development is the vital period, therefore parents should attempt to stay together if possible, until the first 16-18 years of the child's life. The parents should separate immediately if there is any form of !
> violence within the family.  Violence only breeds violence and children in such an environment carry heavy emotional scares and social problems for life. More Laws 'WILL NOT fix these problems; LAWS will only enslave people minds, which will continue th
e cycle and breed increased hatred and in the end, probable violence and suicides.
> 
> When an unbalanced adult/adolescent searches to correct the  parental aura balance missing from his/her childhood, through crime, prostitution etc., all of society pays for their torment, either directly or indirectly, either financially or emotionally.
  Each individual of our society pays part of the cost. The answer is to teach every child/parent the basic laws of balance,and in the above case the overall solution in society is to balance the financial greed of the world. Not possible I know.  In a di
rect balance of karma, the segregation of the rich over the poor , the rich have in effect, created their own problems. If the rich gave back to society, then society would regain most of its social dignity and balance.  Attacks on the 'haves' from the 'h
ave-nots' would not be so frequent. People who use evil against others will also receive their balance and their own torture will return to them in balanced amounts. Evil will not escape
> the unbreakable laws of the universe. Time is irrelevant, evil will get their penitence eternity is waiting  forever.
>  
> The above is but only one example of the simple laws of balance. 
> 
> Every thing in the entire universe must balance else it will cease to exist. THIS IS THE LAW OF THE UNIVERSE. 
> Every thing from atoms to Galaxies must balance else they will all cease to exist. 
> Every thing from a needle in a hay stack to a persons thoughts and actions, must balance, else they will ALL cease to exist. Every thing from the wind and the tides,  hot and cold , rich and poor, day and night, black and white , good an evil, up and do
wn, back to forward, etc... etc...  When the balance is upset, turmoil/force/energy results; when the unbalanced energy subsides, then realignment and balance can once again continue. 
> 
> [A very real example of balance]
> Take a look at the balance of our planet and fully realise that, according to the 'LAW OF THE UNIVERSE', life on this planet will cease to exist. Because every single man doesn't fully understand the simple LAW OF BALANCE.
> These rules have to be applied right now if man is to survive past this century. These rules must be taught at the
> individual level. They must be taught to each and every person, and must be applied at the individual level
> for all of society to benefit as a whole and the earth to continue to exist as one.
> 
> 
> These 'simple laws' should be taught at kindergarten they are so childishly simple.  Why can't man learn the simple things of life instead of looking for the complicated ego trip paradigms ?  There is still so many amazing things to be learned from the 
simplest of ideas. 
> 
> [No pun intended Kev]
> 
> 
> G.D.Mutch
> 
> PS. Lets hope this makes it to the SB. list. My mail has a mysterious habit of bouncing off the server so Linda Krama informs me. Thanks Linda, keep up the good work.
> 
> ==== Email: pagemaster@networx.com.au =====================================
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	I totally fail to see what this topic has
	to do with the Hum, in all its variations.

-- 
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At 10:41 26/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
>ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
>Sara T. Allen,
>Taos, NM
>
>
>> The above is but only one example of the simple laws of balance. 
>> 
>> Every thing in the entire universe must balance else it will cease to exist. THIS IS THE LAW OF THE UNIVERSE. 
>> Every thing from atoms to Galaxies must balance else they will all cease to exist. 
>> Every thing from a needle in a hay stack to a persons thoughts and actions, must balance, else they will ALL cease to exist. Every thing from the wind and the tides,  hot and cold , rich and poor, day and night, black and white , good an evil, up and d
own, back to forward, etc... etc...  When the balance is upset, turmoil/force/energy results; when the unbalanced energy subsides, then realignment and balance can once again continue. 
>> 
>> [A very real example of balance]
>> Take a look at the balance of our planet and fully realise that, according to the 'LAW OF THE UNIVERSE', life on this planet will cease to exist. Because every single man doesn't fully understand the simple LAW OF BALANCE.
>> These rules have to be applied right now if man is to survive past this century. These rules must be taught at the
>> individual level. They must be taught to each and every person, and must be applied at the individual level
>> for all of society to benefit as a whole and the earth to continue to exist as one.
>> 
>> 

Hmm... subject Lesbians, and a female replies with the biggest complaint...

Sara you obviously didn't take the time to read the whole post... 
The context of the post was not about morality : the post was about simple "balance". 
A seriously big dose of what we all need to learn to survive past the coming millennium. 

My intended context of the post was directed to the ELF (evil little fellows) , as is most of my posts to this list. 
Don't take them personal. This list is monitored by radio broadcast stations world wide. You now see the method
in my unorthodox manner. This list is valuable in that regard. It is also linked on a lot of web page URL's. 
Be thankful in the knowledge that those on this list are well and truly known world wide...

[sarcastic mode on]
Those using their little ELF toys will have them rammed up their backside when the right time comes about. They will not escape the laws of balance. In a humorous cognition, I can picture the ELF , saying "we where only joking, we didn't mean to hurt any 
one with our little toys", oh please forgive us.  The ELF may think they are above government rules and social regulations, but they are not above the marvels of the cosmos. Bend over dear ELF, may I suggest you bring a big tub of butter with you to smear
 all over your little toys; it will lessen the pain. ;) 

I will be there to give them a big hug... the ELF are obviously in desperate need of big heaps of love in their lives.  ;)

glory days.  ha ha :)

G.D.Mutch

Ps. It's up to you whether you leave the list... I will continue to post what I feel is relevant information.
May I suggest you delete the post instead of reading them. Its far cheaper to press the delete key than to
spend time typing up and sending a reply. It's far easier on your emotions than to get upset reading the entire post.
I get a lot of mail I don't like as well, some from this list, a quick scan will give me the basis of the post , then I press the delete, I don't get to upset. Every person has their right to freedom of expression, whether you agree or not. 

PPS. I get a lot of private mail that supports my posts... when it gets through. A lot of my mail is deliberately blocked. To those persons who haven't received any of my reply mail; all mail I have received had been replied to. I don't know if  it was re
ceived to your end. I always reply to all my mail.

 
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On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Sara Allen <sallen@laplaza.org> wrote:
>PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
>ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
>Sara T. Allen,
>Taos, NM

Sara,

I'm sure this is the reaction most of us have. But please don't 
unsubscribe. This only gives the group to the people who have the least of 
value to say. When bigots, paranoids, loudmouths, or generally disturbed or 
obnoxious people begin posting on a newsgroup, rational and decent people 
tend to leave. So the obnoxous group is given the power to chase good 
people off with hardly any resistance. I believe this is the wrong 
reaction. Why give them the power to make the rest of us leave, and take 
over the newsgroup? If you don't like what they say, ignore them, since 
it's attention they crave. And please continue making rational postings so 
the rest of us can benefit. Let's not just let them take over yet another 
newgroup.

Hang in there!

Roy Lewallen

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 >Yes, I've passed through it many times, and stopped for petrol, hearing 
 >the same hum.  However, in a village called Thompson not
>far from Watton we once followed a footpath around the perimeter 
>of the Stanfiel d Army Training Ground where we heard/felt the
>loudest/strongest sensation/noise we have heard anywhere else 

There is a need for measuring ground vibrations, and airborne infrasound in this
area.

I wish I had some accellerometers, and some more of the neccesary equipment.
A visit to Watton would only be a few days of travel.

Anders

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>Is it possible that the same thing could occur with subsonics equally 
>well?

In a way. 

Measuring the hearing threshold using a pure sinus tone may be irrelevant.

The Monroe Institute will tell you that the easiest way to get subsonics 
into the brain is by beating two frequencies to arrive at the wanted 
subsonic frequency. In this way subsonics can be generated even if the 
loudspeakers cannot generate frequencies that low, and even if the ears 
cannot hear frequencies that low (at that volume).

Some hummers will tell you that they are only affected when several low 
frequency sounds occur at once. Such as: one diesel lorry doesnt affect 
them negatively, but three diesel lorries with idling motors parked outside 
a snackbar can drive them crazy. The interference between the three 
frequencies generates subsonics in their brain.

Anders

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  >Here's a thought, and maybe someone who has the equipment could try 
  >it out. It requires two synthesized signal generators, two speakers 
  >with good high-frequency response, and maybe a stereo amplifier. Hook 
  >a signal generator to each speaker and adjust the signal generators 
  >for a super-audible frequency (say, 25 or 30 kHz). Set their 
  >frequencies so they differ by 50-100 Hz or so and place the 
  >speakers where you can hear both. Do you hear a hum? I'd do this but 
  >I'm not well equipped for audio work. (The test should be repeated 
  >with the signal generators at audible frequencies to make sure that 
  >the hum-like beat note is heard as I'd expect.)
  
I havent made this experiment, but a similar one.
The British engineer Linsley Hood once pointed out that it was a well 
perpetrated myth that humans cannot hear frequencies above 20 kHz.

If supersonic frequencies are mixed with frequencies in the normal range they 
can be heard. The simplest experiment is to listen to an audiogenerator 
generating sine waves at 10 kHz and switch to square waves at 10 kHz. They sound
quite different. But the difference is the admixture of supersonic frequencies
which are below the hearingthreshold when they are on their own.

So it is quite possible to hear sounds that viewed as sine waves are below the 
threshold of hearing

Anders

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I read some material on underground bases yesterday.
This may be relevant to Taos Hum.

Many governments build underground military bases, which can be huge, and 
can contain a small underground city complete with dieselgenerators, 
nuclear power plants, railways, factories, restaurants, sleeping areas, 
labs, storage areas, water reservoirs, and so on.

The Germans, the British, the US Americans  had them already during WWII.
The Germans had underground factories, the British for example had placed a 
base inside the Gibraltar rock, the US Americans had an underground base on 
one of the Pacific islands that was overrun by the Japanese.

This is nothing new.

They can be under mountains, woods, cities. I have lived close to a few 
such bases without noticing anything unusual, and only accidentally heard 
of them. One was under a wood where I regularly did cross country running. 
Under the wood was a huge military command center.
One was inside a mountain where I walked in weekends. There were some 
natural caves in the mountain, which could be visited. Most of the 
cavesystem was however walled off. I found some information that the 
government had a multistory utility inside the mountain.


In the US there are many underground military bases. The NORAD base inside 
Cheyenne Mouintain is probably the most widely mentioned. Many others have 
been documented. A lot of secrecy surround these bases, and generally they 
are very well hidden. 

There is a papertrail suggesting strongly that a number of very large 
underground bases have been built between 1979 and 1993. Some locations 
that have been discussed as possible sites have been under an Alascan 
peninsula (near the Aleutian Islands?), and under mountains in the Midwest 
(near Taos?)

Such places would probably have unusual underground antennae for 
communication, and they would probably create some ground vibrations.

If there was such a base under a mountain near Taos, the inhabitants would 
hardly know about it (only as a hum, the source of which could not be 
localized) , and the government would hardly openly admit it....


Anders






 

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Norfolk in the UK is not without its share of military bases.
There are documentable rumours of an underground NATO installation near one 
of the above ground bases. It would be conceivable that it emitted hum.

And of course, there is a huge underground military base somewhere in 
southeast Sweden. Lennart lives in southeast Sweden....


Anders


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What are cylomeres?

Reportedly they are expensive materials used for dampening vibrations. When 
you build a new powerplant you should place it on top of a layer of 
cylomeres to dampen vibrations.

This layer is often left out for economic reasons...

Presumably cylomeres are used in expensive shoes for running for dampening 
the shocks when you put your feet down on a hard surface. Some high tech 
materials are used for this purpose.

Presumably they are also used in submarines to make them more silent.

Anders




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This reminds me of an amusing story, which I read in a local newspaper. A 
man who owned and cultivated a wood was inspecting his trees. He found a 
couple of new trees, which he was certain that he had not planted himself. 
He found it highly curious that somebody secretly were planting new trees 
in his wood. He dug up the trees and below he found a concrete structure 
which shouldnt be there. There was also some sort of door which led into 
the structure.

He called the police. The story was quickly hushed up. It was never 
published who built the thing, or what the structure contained.

One possibility was that Soviet agents  (it was while the Soviet Union 
existed) had built an underground storage facility in a NATO country.

This is just to illustrate that underground facilities can be well hidden, 
and even the man who owns the ground above it may know nothing about it..

Anders

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Something that needs to be mentioned when working with squares waves -
the step in amplitudes as the signal changes polarities creates white
noise.  This step is an impulse that contains all frequencies.

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	  >Here's a thought, and maybe someone who has the equipment
could try 
	  >it out. It requires two synthesized signal generators, two
speakers 
	  >with good high-frequency response, and maybe a stereo
amplifier. Hook 
	  >a signal generator to each speaker and adjust the signal
generators 
	  >for a super-audible frequency (say, 25 or 30 kHz). Set their 
	  >frequencies so they differ by 50-100 Hz or so and place the 
	  >speakers where you can hear both. Do you hear a hum? I'd do
this but 
	  >I'm not well equipped for audio work. (The test should be
repeated 
	  >with the signal generators at audible frequencies to make
sure that 
	  >the hum-like beat note is heard as I'd expect.)
	  
	I havent made this experiment, but a similar one.
	The British engineer Linsley Hood once pointed out that it was a
well 
	perpetrated myth that humans cannot hear frequencies above 20
kHz.

	If supersonic frequencies are mixed with frequencies in the
normal range they 
	can be heard. The simplest experiment is to listen to an
audiogenerator 
	generating sine waves at 10 kHz and switch to square waves at 10
kHz. They sound
	quite different. But the difference is the admixture of
supersonic frequencies
	which are below the hearingthreshold when they are on their own.

	So it is quite possible to hear sounds that viewed as sine waves
are below the 
	threshold of hearing

	Anders

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i3910 wrote:

> At 10:41 26/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM.
> TAKE IT
> >ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
> >Sara T. Allen,
> >Taos, NM
> >
> >

Are you now saying that the hum is responsible for lesbianism? Yeah,
right.

You can make what assumptions you wish about my sexuality. To make
things very clear, No, I am not a lesbian, not that that is anybody's
business.

If anyone can explain to me what lesbianism and balance or whatever
other rationalization that Mr. Mutch can attach to his original post has
to do with the Taos Hum, then I will retract my statement, and apologize
for my outburst.

My STRONG feeling is that this group is not the appropriate place to
discuss the issue of homosexuality, even under the guise of balance.
There are many other groups out there where that subject is primary to
their discussions. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAOS HUM!!!

And yes, after many years of reading the musings of this group, I would
resign from it if it does turn into a forum for the right or left
political point of view as opposed to a legitimate reporting place for
hearers of the hum and the reportings and queries of those who are
diligently attempting to identify and eliminate the causes and effects
of this distrubing phenomenon.


Sara T. Allen
Taos, NM, USA

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At 23:48 26/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Sara Allen <sallen@laplaza.org> wrote:
>>PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
>>ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
>>Sara T. Allen,
>>Taos, NM
>
>Sara,
>
>I'm sure this is the reaction most of us have. But please don't 
>unsubscribe. This only gives the group to the people who have the least of 
>value to say. When bigots, paranoids, loudmouths, or generally disturbed or 
>obnoxious people begin posting on a newsgroup, rational and decent people 
>tend to leave. So the obnoxous group is given the power to chase good 
>people off with hardly any resistance. I believe this is the wrong 
>reaction. Why give them the power to make the rest of us leave, and take 
>over the newsgroup? If you don't like what they say, ignore them, since 
>it's attention they crave. And please continue making rational postings so 
>the rest of us can benefit. Let's not just let them take over yet another 
>newgroup.
>
>Hang in there!
>
>Roy Lewallen
>


[peeved mode on]

Dear Roy .
        I can only surmise your above text is directed to myself. Your obviously new to this list. 
I have been on this list for some 18months 2 years. I have seen people come and go. And not
through any fault of my posts. I'm a T/H hearer, I have done diddly squat to deserve the bullshit that I
have received. Whether you like it or not there is a very real EVIL that can play god with your life. 
I know full well what this evil can do. The reason I know this is not natural because
I have been given knowledge of  how to build part of one the ELF(evil little fellows) favorite toys. 
I know how their so called stealth air/space craft operate. I know the critical principles of the self  sustained power supplies and part of the actual stealth operation itself. On knowing this information I received T/H within
3 days of releasing my knowledge of this over the internet.  Don't tell me this is some natural phenomenon...
this is crap. If I'm to be given serious health problems I want the whole world to know what has happened and why.
I want the whole world to wake up and realise we have all been had, we're not free, we are all deliberately being slowly enslaved by our own forced free will.   

The SOB's are hurting my family. I have a son that was getting straight  high achievements in class, he has now dropped down a level. They are dumbing myself and my family down.  How would you feel when your family comes to you in the middle of the night 
in fear and complaining of headaches and hearing humming noises. What would you do ?  Oh! gee that's nice dear, go back to sleep its just the evil animals frying you brain cells then letting them heal and then frying them again. You will be alright, they'
ll stop when you can't spell your own name, don't worry. 

F#$*, and all you can worry about is loud mouths and bigots upsetting your precious little list....
Oh dear, we do have a lot to worry about don't we ? 

The simple talk that goes on this list is dribble, its deliberate dead-end, go-no-where talk ... and talk
is as cheap as air. It's just a list to talk about air... Nothing has been done in the last two years and nothing will ever be done, because those good men in authority will cop a does of what some of us are copping.  I've watched those
in authority being shuffled from their positions because I have informed them of what is happening. The good
people are just made redundant once the truth is given to them.  So it will always fall on deaf ears, it will go no where. This list is a problem that will hopefully go away. Beside who in authority and power will put a halt to a clever system that enable
s control of people without any proof of torment ?  If there is proof they just say it was a miss tune satellite transmission, sorry about that.  Why is this system so difficult to understand... They record your brain switch pattern (probably off the tele
phone) onto a cray super computer and play it back to you over a satellite or ground station like HAARP. Your brain then throws a wobbly trying to resync, you end up with heath problems.  The people who hear the hum noises on this list are theoretically h
earing someone else's similar brain switch pattern by mistake, as the satellite beam sweeps over your locale. 
          Use a switch pattern of an unhealthy heart and you generate a heart problems.
          Use a switch pattern of a body with cancer and you generate cancer.
          Use a switch pattern of a humming noise and you generate violence. (Expressed violence is jail: problem over.)
          Use a switch pattern of a healthy immune system and you cure disease. (<-- Can't have healthy people.)

I hope 'every one' stays on the list and continues to talk about their experience just the same. I don't
want to see people leave the list. I would like more people to come forward, but they won't. I have people
who support my identical claims 100%... They choose not to come forward.  The governments in existence today
are just puppet governments. They don't make the rules: they are told the rules, or receive a dose of T/H. 

The above is not a topic I enjoy talking about... If I don't then all is in vain for those who continue to suffer.
I don't give a rats backside what others think... If someone doesn't speak the truth then who does ???
Label me what ever label you wish, but be secure in the knowledge that I have spoken the truth as through
total personal experience, not through someone else's fantasy or theory.
  
Apology to those passive people on this list... I don't usually show my emotions.

G.D.Mutch
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At 11:05 27/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Mr. Mutch,
>
>I read your post several times and fail to see what your moralistic
>posturing has to do with the issue of the Taos Hum.
>
>You are right, I can't and won't stop you from saying what you please or
>what you want. I am simply requesting that you take that discussion
>elsewhere. It has no place at all on the Taos Hum group.
>
>If you wish to change my point of view, please feel free to construct a
>post explaining how your moralistic point of  view on lesbianism can
>apply to the Taos Hum.
>
>Sara
>

[Forget homosexual context]

The subject of post was an anchor point,a pivot point on the spring board, a point from which to generate a topic on
a more imporatant issuse :"balance".  I don't give a hoot about homosexuals. As long as they keep it to themselves that's all good and well. The main objective of post was balance; directed at the world audience.  You have chose to make it personal. I can
 jump to many conclusions, 1. being your femine and the subject being lesbians. I do not wish to know your sexual orientation. It is of no concern to myself, but I have to ask myself why you are the only one taken such offence to the article ?  The inform
ation is very relevant to heighten ones state of awarness to the fact the
all things on this earth are no longer in balance. Search your own thoughts and simply apply them to the T/H
phenomenon and you will answer some of you own questions about relevance of post. Be secure in the fact
that those generating the problems of the world will have their problems return to them, in directly proportional amounts: "balance".


Please mark private in the subject header if you wish to keep the discussion private. 
I post to many list of varying topics. 

At least the list is working again... Or at least I'm recieving mail from it...

G.D.Mutch
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  A Lecture By Phil Schneider: May 1995



 Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what 
appeared to be a military-style execution in January 1996. He was 
found dead in his apartment with piano wire still wrapped around his 
neck. According to some sources, he had been brutally tortured 
repeated before being killed. Phil Schneider was an ex-government 
engineer who was involved in building underground bases. He was one of 
three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys 
and U.S. intelligence and military forces at Dulce underground base.

In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had discovered. 
Seven months later he was tortured and killed by those for whom he had 
previously worked. This man's final acts should not go unnoticed.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

"It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government 
that I feel directly imperiled *not* to tell anybody about this 
material. How long I will be able to do this is anybody's guess. 
However, I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken 
up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing 
on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not.

"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I 
have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country 
that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like 
these United States.

"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and 
went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, 
and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well 
as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace 
applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States 
that have some significance as far as what is called the New World 
Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved 
in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the 
survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. 
Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that 
knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret 
service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that 
firefight. I was there.

"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very 
shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be 
very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm 
going to ask you to put your "scepticals" on. But please, feel free to 
do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much 
to go on, but it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good 
place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do 
their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their 
country.

::: Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget :::

"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I 
would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not 
believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going to concern 
deep underground military bases and the black budget. The Black Budget 
is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product 
of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 
trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programs, 
like those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, 
there are 129 deep underground military bases in the United States.

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, 
since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than 
that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by 
high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. 
Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my 
only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect, has risked 
his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government 
agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live, 
in Idaho, there are 11 of them.

"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are 
basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 
cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill 
a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the 
authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New 
World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I 
was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done 
it. I was lied to rather extensively.

::: Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in 
Hyperspacial Technology, and More :::

"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year 
that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This 
is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to 
create, through the use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that could 
literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My 
father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was 
originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in the 
United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such 
as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented 
a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at 
Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs of that 
test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the bomb site at a high 
rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them, 
especially under the water, and the natives had problems with their 
animals being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the 
next war would be with aliens from other worlds.

"Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the 
Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What does that 
have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that he was my 
father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think 
he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was hated in Germany. There 
was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who killed him. 
Obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway, back to our topic - deep 
underground bases.

::: The Fire Fight At Dulce Base :::

"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal 
government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States 
and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada 
Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved 
could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few 
human beings, but that they had to give details about the people 
involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided 
they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, 
and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved 
in building an addition to the deep underground military base at 
Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels 
and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four 
distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together 
and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes 
and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with 
the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found outselves 
amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise 
known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 
people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all 
of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of 
existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our 
planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a 
lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts.

"Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was 
a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose 
of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that.

"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work 
at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating 
after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, 
EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of 
peculiar spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob 
Lazar's story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to 
decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft.

::: Schneider's Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars and 
Shackle Contracts :::

"Now, I am very worried about the activity of the the federal 
government. They have lied to the public, stonewalled senators, and 
have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on 
and on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled. Recently, I knew 
someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon. He worked at 
Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they make railroad cars. Now, I 
knew this fellow for the better part of 30 years, and he was kind of a 
quiet type. He came in to see me one day, excited, and he told me 
"they're building prisoner cars." He was nervous. Gunderson, he said, 
had a contract with the federal government to build 107,200 full

length railroad cars, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 
sub-contractors in this giant project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 
2 billion dollars for the contract. Bethlehem Steel and other steel 
outfits are involved. He showed me one of the cars in the rail yards 
in North Portland. He was right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143 
times 11, you come up with about 15,000,000. This is probably the 
number of people who disagree with the federal government. No more can 
you vote any of these people out of office. Our present structure of 
government is "technocracy", not democracy, and it is a form of 
feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United 
States. These people are god-less, and have legislated out prayer in 
public schools. You can get fined up to $100,000 and two years in 
prison for praying in school. I believe we can do better. I also 
believe that the federal government is running the gambit of enslaving 
the people of the United States. I am not a very good speaker, but 
I'll keep shooting my mouth off until somebody puts a bullet in me, 
because it's worth it to talk to a group like this about these 
atrocities.

::: America's Black Program Contractors :::

"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There 
are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S. 
Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy 
the spare parts for these black programs for that amount. So, we've 
been lied to. The black budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two 
years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11 
tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the books involved with this 
clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of sleath programs: EG&G, 
Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison- Knudson, Wackenhut Security 
Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, 
Mitsibishi Industries, Rider Trucks, Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus a 
host of hundreds more. Is this what we are supposed to be living up to 
as freedom- loving people? I don't believe so.

::: Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat :::

"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected 
by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. 
By the way, none of the stealth program would have been available if 
we had not taken apart crashed alien disks. None of it. Some of you 
might ask what the "space shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of 
special metals that are milled in space and cannot be produced on the 
surface of the earth. They need the near vaccum of outer space to 
produce them. We are not even being told anything close to the truth. 
I believe our government officials have sold us down the drain - lock, 
stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the 
U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the 
highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars program is there solely 
to act as a buffer to prevent alien attack - it has nothing to do with 
the "cold war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the 
people - for what? The whole lie was planned and executed for the last 
75 years.

::: Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by U.S. Agencies and the United 
Nations :::

"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug 
Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical 
weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This in 1993, 
and the figures have gone up considerably since. The United Nations 
used American stealth aircraft for over 28% of its collective 
worldwide operations from 1990 to 1992, according to the Center for 
Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.

::: The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia 
Conflict :::

"The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct 
classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets. 
Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes called 
the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national tactical force 
primarily used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the 
way, there were 172 stealth aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were 
at last count about 162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks 
ago to the United Nations. There have been indications that the Delta 
Force was sent over to Bosnia during the last days of the Bush 
administration as a covert sniper force, and that they started taking 
pot shots at each side of the controversy, in order to actually start 
the Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding administrations 
for political purposes.

::: Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States :::

"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade

Center bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some- odd 
varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right 
after the blast. The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and 
the rebar was literally extruded up to six feet longer than its 
original length. There is only one weapon that can do that - a small 
nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type nuclear device. Obviously, 
when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage, 
they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably 
didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe 
that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as 
killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further mention 
that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are saying that it 
was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it. "First, they came out 
and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer bomb. Then, it was 1,500. 
Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of 
fertilizer in a Rider Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. 
I know the chemical structure and the application of construction 
explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more 
than 13 deep underground military bases in the United States. I worked 
on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can 
tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not have 
hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in Oklahoma City. 
It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off 
the building, but it would have never have done that kind of damage. I 
believe I have been lied to, and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm 
telling you that you've been lied to.

::: The Truth Behind the Republican Contract With America :::

"I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six 
months of life left in this country, at the present rate. We are the 
laughing stock of the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so 
many evil people that are runing this country. I think we can do 
better. I think the people over 45 are seriously worried about their 
future. I'm going to run some scary scenarios by you. The Contract 
With America. It contains the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used 
to subvert Germany in 1931. I believe we can do better. The Contract 
With America is a last ditch effort by our federal government to tear 
away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

::: Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence :::

"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the 
United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one being built. 
Is this the proper use of our money? What does the federal government 
need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to 
enslave us. I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I 
doubt if all the world needs that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth 
aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar. They 
can see you walking from room to room when they fly over your house. 
They see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of 1 
inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that is. Now, I worked in 
the federal government for a long time, and I know exactly how they 
handle their business.

::: Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien 
Excretions :::

"The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a 
geologist, and I know what I am talking about. With the Kobe 
earthquake in Japan, there was no pulsewave as in a normal earthquake. 
None. In 1989, there was an earthquake in San Francisco. There was no 
pulse wave with that one either. It is a Tesla device that is being 
used for evil purposes. The black budget programs have subverted 
science as we know it. Look at AIDs, invented by the National 
Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago, Illinois in 1972. It was a biological 
weapon to be used against the people of the United States. The reason 
I know this is that I have seen the documentation by the Office of 
Strategic Services, which by the way is still in operation to this 
day, through the CDC in Atlanta. They used the glandular excretions of 
animals, humans and alien humanoids to create the virus. These alien 
humanoids the government is hobnobbing with are the worst news. There 
is absolutely no defense against their germs - none. They are a 
biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet 
needs to be isolated.

"Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar 
biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet, deserve this? No, 
we don't, but we are not doing anything about it. Every moment we 
waste, we are doing other people on the

planet a disservice. Right now, I am dying of cancer that I contracted 
because of my work for the federal government. I might live six 
months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out 
like I am, maybe God will give me the life to talk my head off. I will 
break every law that it takes to talk my head off. Eleven of my best 
friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders 
were called "suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a 
friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains 
in order to get to Needles, California, and I was followed by two 
government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a couple of 
occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I 
have spoken 19 times and have probably reached 45,000 people. Well, I 
got ahead of them and came to a stop in the middle of the road. They 
both went on either side of me and down a ravine. Is this what its 
going to take? I cut up my security card and sent it back to the 
government, and told them if I was threatened, and I have been, that I 
was going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the internet 
about government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun 
that task.

"Thank you very much."

End of May 1995 Lecture



 


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>Something that needs to be mentioned when working with squares waves - 
>the step in amplitudes as the signal changes polarities creates 
>white noise.  This step is an impulse that contains all frequencies.

I disagree with that. A fourier analysis of a square wave will only find
frequencies that are multiples of the fundamental frequency of the square 
wave, not 'all frequencies'

Regards Anders


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Perhaps I may be wrong but I am getting the idea that this list, which is
intended for the positive discussion of the hum, is being used for political
and conspiracy ends under the cover of the Taos hum subject.

I have noticed that two subscribers to the list (different names but same
posting address from Australia) come in with negative postings and bounce
their messages off each other to the disruption of this group. I have
watched this happen over many months and the effect has always been the
unsubscribing of members. Notice how when we have new names discussing the
Hum constructively these posters come inusing the hum as a cover for their
political ramblings.

I have even wondered whether the posters concerned are actually one and the
same person as they always appear at the same time! 

Or am I the one who is becoming paranoid?

Ronald Hill.


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This first part is to Mr. Mutch.  You know, I don't care how long you've
been on the list whether it be 18 months, two years or two decades. Do
you think that it should make you some kind of an "elder" of the group
and we should give ear to your CRAP just because many of us have
tolerated you, yes, TOLERATED you, up to this point? I read your reply
to me and I am still not convinced that your original post had anything
to do with balance. It was a one-sided gay bashing by you and whoever
else it was that was involved in your post. (Kev?) May I quote the "HIP
HIP HOORAY" for the judge. And, you both you and Kev, (responsible for
the original post,)  knew that it would draw fire, may I quote " Yes, at
the risk of being flamed I tend to agree with you Kev." But you did it
anyway. Why? Just to disrupt discussion on the hum? That does not lead
to balance, it simply reveals your bigotry to the rest of us.

To Roy, Thanks for supporting me. You are welcome here on this list. As
far as I am concerned, Mr. Mutch is persona non grata. Not that I have
any say so about who is and who isn't. It is just my Not so humble
opinion.

My main concern about this whole thing is that a sufferer who is
honestly looking for information and some relief, even though that
relief might be that there are others who suffer from the hum can come
to this group and instead, find a moralistic tirade about how children
might be adversely affected by allowing lesbians to be artificially
impregnated, posted by someone who obviously agrees with that point of
view and is attempting to solicit others to his viewpoint. If I were
that person seeking information on the hum, I would begin to seek
elsewhere.

Could it be that Mr. Mutch is really trying to disrupt this group by
adding inane subject matter?

That is all I have to say about this. You will hear no more from me on
this issue.

Sara

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>Perhaps I may be wrong but I am getting the idea that this list, which 
>is intended for the positive discussion of the hum, is being used 
>for political and conspiracy ends under the cover of the Taos hum subject.

I dont read all messages in this list. I receive so much garbage mail, that I 
only read a small fraction. The mail from the Taoshum list is not clearly 
marked as such at my end, so unless the Author of the mail is known to me it 
goes down the drain.

I hadnt noticed any conspirational mail recently, so I looked back in the 
unread mail and found a message from author 'zap' whom I associated with 
taoshum-l.

It was a longish message of conspirational nature titled 'Phil Scneider on 
BBP' which meant exactly nothing to me.

Reading through the message I saw that it dealt with underground bases (by 
coincidence I wrote some messages on underground messages) and many other 
subjects of a controversial nature.

When I wrote some messages about underground bases, it was not inspired by 
this message, but by a member of this list living in Taos and insisting that 
military sources had told her the military was at least in part responsible 
for her hum. And inspired by a book on underground bases, which I had found 
by accident.

If I remember correctly Taos is in the Midwest (New Mexico?) in a desert type 
area, with a number of military bases not too far away, and surrounded by 
(low?) mountains. Given that I increasingly must suspect ground vibrations to 
play a role in Hum, I think it is conceivable that a secret underground 
military base could manifest as hum. Given that secret underground military 
bases are not that uncommon, I would not be surprised if there was one around 
Taos.

Regarding the message 'Phil Scneider on BBP', I guess it could scare away 
readers, and that it really belongs in another maillist.
Personally I found it interesting. There is a lot of such conspirational 
stuff floating around on the internet, and I wonder how the stuff is created. 
Much of it is cleverly created, and contains a percentage of truth which is 
necessary in disinformation. Some of this stuff seems to be made perhaps  
professionally by disinformation specialists.

The message 'Phil Scneider on BBP' is cleverly made and contains much truth.
Just as an example I have to agree that the AIDS HIV virus was most probably 
made in a virus lab, though I would say it was created between 1973 and 1976 
rather than 1972. And I have to suspect the Oklahoma bombing didnt happen 
according to the official story. 

The stories of some kind of underground base under Dulce have been floating 
around for years. I know people who went to Dulce to look for such a base, 
but I dont know anybody who found it. So I cannot verify that story.

I have come across military persons telling about observing UFOs and even 
contact with aliens, and such. So I accept there is some hidden story about 
alien contact. 

Many of the details necessary for verification (or not..) of details are 
missing. Where is the address of this Phil Schneider, and what was the U-XXX 
number of the German U-Boot his father alledgedly captained. Where is the 
exact location of the alledged Dulce base? I guess one would have a hard time 
even discovering if there ever existed a Phil Schneider. Though Al Bielek 
seems to be an existing person, which one can contact.

It seems to me that this message is not directly relevant to Taos Hum, and it 
contains too much unverifyable content. It should have been posted to a list 
on conspiracy theories instead.

Regards, Anders



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I3683 wrote:

> >Something that needs to be mentioned when working with squares waves
> -
> >the step in amplitudes as the signal changes polarities creates
> >white noise.  This step is an impulse that contains all frequencies.
>
> I disagree with that. A fourier analysis of a square wave will only
> find
> frequencies that are multiples of the fundamental frequency of the
> square
> wave, not 'all frequencies'
> Regards Anders

And only odd integer multiples of the harmonics, at that. In 1950 I
wrote a term paper on square waves, and the earliest mention I found in
the published literature was dated about 1909, when someone, Thompson,
I recall, modulated a source of ultraviolet light with a rotating slit
shutter and analyzed his results with the then-new Fourier transform
mathematics.

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, i3910 wrote:
> At 10:41 26/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
> >ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
> >Sara T. Allen,
> >Taos, NM
> 
> Hmm... subject Lesbians, and a female replies with the biggest complaint...

OK, how about this.  I am male and married, so you cannot ignore the
following on "lesbian" grounds.


If you persist in posting off-topic messages to the taos-hum list which
CAUSE OTHER USERS TO COMPLAIN, then you violate the list rules.

You may see this list as a medium for communicating non-hum matters, but
that is not the purpose of taoshum-L.

I believe in a hands-off, freedom-oriented policy of list management.  But
if a user continually draws complaints from other users, then I will not
refrain from acting.

G. D. MUTCH,  PLEASE STOP POSTING OFF-TOPIC MATERIAL.


> Ps. It's up to you whether you leave the list... I will continue to
> post what I feel is relevant information.

But if the messages

   1. Are not about the taos hum
   2. Cause several other subscribers to complain
   3. Are a frequent event
   4. Never apologize to other users for off-topic subjects (this is
      a normal 'Nettiquet' behavior, and is simple courtesy)

...then we have a big problem.

Occasional off-topic discussions are OK.  Discussions of government
conspiracy involving the taos hum are OK.  However, constant discussion of
general governmental conspiracy, government harassment issues, personal
philosophy, etc. are off topic, and are only acceptable as long as they
are not frequent, and as long as other users do not complain.

Intentional and frequent use of taoshum-L as a personal soapbox for
broadcasting non-hum message topics to secret listeners is definitely not
OK.  It might belong on government-conspiracy or mind-control discussion
groups, but is not appropriate here. 


> May I suggest you delete the post instead of reading them. Its far
> cheaper to press the delete key than to spend time typing up and sending
> a reply.

The above is true only if the issue is not a frequent one.  We all start 
off-topic discussions occasionally.  We all occasionally write things to
which others object.  It only is a problem if it is a frequent occurrence.
It is a much bigger problem if it is intentional, and if complaints are
not taken seriously.

Please limit your messages to taos hum topics.

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i3910 wrote:
> 
> At 23:48 26/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Sara Allen <sallen@laplaza.org> wrote:
> >>PLEASE KEEP YOUR MORALITY CRAP OFF OF THIS GROUP FOR THE TAOS HUM. TAKE IT
> >>ELSWHERE OR I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!
> >>Sara T. Allen,
> >>Taos, NM
> >
> >Sara,
> >
> >I'm sure this is the reaction most of us have. But please don't
> >unsubscribe. This only gives the group to the people who have the least of
> >value to say. When bigots, paranoids, loudmouths, or generally disturbed or
> >obnoxious people begin posting on a newsgroup, rational and decent people
> >tend to leave.

Gee, Roy.... I did not know you were one of the hum suffers who was
rational, sane and decent... one of the Real Good people. One of those
very special people, not like many of those others hum sufferers (many
of who appear to be suffering much greater then you)... they who must be
bigots, paraniods, loudmouths, obnoxious, etc.... etc.... and such.
I don't believe self-made (and basically inferior attitudes)
superiority  and inflated ego complexes such as you have are of much use
at this site here Either....        Denis 


 So the obnoxous group is given the power to chase good
> >people off with hardly any resistance. I believe this is the wrong
> >reaction. Why give them the power to make the rest of us leave, and take
> >over the newsgroup? If you don't like what they say, ignore them, since
> >it's attention they crave. And please continue making rational postings so
> >the rest of us can benefit. Let's not just let them take over yet another
> >newgroup.
> >
> >Hang in there!
> >
> >Roy Lewallen
> >
> 
> [peeved mode on]
> 
> Dear Roy .
>         I can only surmise your above text is directed to myself. Your obviously new to this list.
> I have been on this list for some 18months 2 years. I have seen people come and go. And not
> through any fault of my posts. I'm a T/H hearer, I have done diddly squat to deserve the bullshit that I
> have received. Whether you like it or not there is a very real EVIL that can play god with your life.
> I know full well what this evil can do. The reason I know this is not natural because
> I have been given knowledge of  how to build part of one the ELF(evil little fellows) favorite toys.
> I know how their so called stealth air/space craft operate. I know the critical principles of the self  sustained power supplies and part of the actual stealth operation itself. On knowing this information I received T/H within
> 3 days of releasing my knowledge of this over the internet.  Don't tell me this is some natural phenomenon...
> this is crap. If I'm to be given serious health problems I want the whole world to know what has happened and why.
> I want the whole world to wake up and realise we have all been had, we're not free, we are all deliberately being slowly enslaved by our own forced free will.
> 
> The SOB's are hurting my family. I have a son that was getting straight  high achievements in class, he has now dropped down a level. They are dumbing myself and my family down.  How would you feel when your family comes to you in the middle of the nigh
t in fear and complaining of headaches and hearing humming noises. What would you do ?  Oh! gee that's nice dear, go back to sleep its just the evil animals frying you brain cells then letting them heal and then frying them again. You will be alri
> 
> F#$*, and all you can worry about is loud mouths and bigots upsetting your precious little list....
> Oh dear, we do have a lot to worry about don't we ?
> 
> The simple talk that goes on this list is dribble, its deliberate dead-end, go-no-where talk ... and talk
> is as cheap as air. It's just a list to talk about air... Nothing has been done in the last two years and nothing will ever be done, because those good men in authority will cop a does of what some of us are copping.  I've watched those
> in authority being shuffled from their positions because I have informed them of what is happening. The good
> 
>           Use a switch pattern of an unhealthy heart and you generate a heart problems.
>           Use a switch pattern of a body with cancer and you generate cancer.
>           Use a switch pattern of a humming noise and you generate violence. (Expressed violence is jail: problem over.)
>           Use a switch pattern of a healthy immune system and you cure disease. (<-- Can't have healthy people.)
> 
> I hope 'every one' stays on the list and continues to talk about their experience just the same. I don't
> want to see people leave the list. I would like more people to come forward, but they won't. I have people
> who support my identical claims 100%... They choose not to come forward.  The governments in existence today
> are just puppet governments. They don't make the rules: they are told the rules, or receive a dose of T/H.
> 
> The above is not a topic I enjoy talking about... If I don't then all is in vain for those who continue to suffer.
> I don't give a rats backside what others think... If someone doesn't speak the truth then who does ???
> Label me what ever label you wish, but be secure in the knowledge that I have spoken the truth as through
> total personal experience, not through someone else's fantasy or theory.
> 
> Apology to those passive people on this list... I don't usually show my emotions.
> 
> G.D.Mutch
> PS. I can't be sure who is trying to contact me any more, as my email and snail mail is interfered with.
> 
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I believe the following is a sci-fi bit of fiction, and poorly
written and constructed as well....

                        Denis

zeropoint (by way of i3910 ) wrote:
> 
>   A Lecture By Phil Schneider: May 1995
> 
>  Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what
> appeared to be a military-style execution in January 1996. He was
> found dead in his apartment with piano wire still wrapped around his
> neck. According to some sources, he had been brutally tortured
> repeated before being killed. Phil Schneider was an ex-government
> engineer who was involved in building underground bases. He was one of
> three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys
> and U.S. intelligence and military forces at Dulce underground base.
> 
> In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had discovered.
> Seven months later he was tortured and killed by those for whom he had
> previously worked. This man's final acts should not go unnoticed.
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> "It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government
> that I feel directly imperiled *not* to tell anybody about this
> material. How long I will be able to do this is anybody's guess.
> However, I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken
> up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing
> on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not.
> 
> "I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I
> have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country
> that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like
> these United States.
> 
> "To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and
> went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field,
> and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well
> as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace
> applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States
> that have some significance as far as what is called the New World
> Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved
> in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the
> survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear.
> Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that
> knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret
> service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that
> firefight. I was there.
> 
> "Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very
> shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be
> very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm
> going to ask you to put your "scepticals" on. But please, feel free to
> do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much
> to go on, but it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good
> place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do
> their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their
> country.
> 
> ::: Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget :::
> 
> "I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I
> would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not
> believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going to concern
> deep underground military bases and the black budget. The Black Budget
> is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product
> of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25
> trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programs,
> like those concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently,
> there are 129 deep underground military bases in the United States.
> 
> "They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly,
> since the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than
> that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by
> high-speed magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2.
> Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my
> only copy of one of them. Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect, has risked
> his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government
> agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live,
> in Idaho, there are 11 of them.
> 
> "The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are
> basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25
> cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill
> a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects sidestep the
> authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New
> World Order is depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I
> was working on them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done
> it. I was lied to rather extensively.
> 
> ::: Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in
> Hyperspacial Technology, and More :::
> 
> "Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year
> that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This
> is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to
> create, through the use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that could
> literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My
> father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was
> originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in the
> United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such
> as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented
> a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at
> Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs of that
> test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the bomb site at a high
> rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with them,
> especially under the water, and the natives had problems with their
> animals being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the
> next war would be with aliens from other worlds.
> 
> "Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the
> Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What does that
> have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that he was my
> father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think
> he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was hated in Germany. There
> was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who killed him.
> Obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway, back to our topic - deep
> underground bases.
> 
> ::: The Fire Fight At Dulce Base :::
> 
> "Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal
> government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States
> and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada
> Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved
> could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few
> human beings, but that they had to give details about the people
> involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided
> they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality,
> and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved
> in building an addition to the deep underground military base at
> Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels
> and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four
> distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together
> and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes
> and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with
> the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found outselves
> amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise
> known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30
> people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all
> of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of
> existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our
> planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a
> lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts.
> 
> "Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was
> a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose
> of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that.
> 
> "I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work
> at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating
> after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson,
> EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of
> peculiar spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob
> Lazar's story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to
> decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft.
> 
> ::: Schneider's Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars and
> Shackle Contracts :::
> 
> "Now, I am very worried about the activity of the the federal
> government. They have lied to the public, stonewalled senators, and
> have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on
> and on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled. Recently, I knew
> someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon. He worked at
> Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they make railroad cars. Now, I
> knew this fellow for the better part of 30 years, and he was kind of a
> quiet type. He came in to see me one day, excited, and he told me
> "they're building prisoner cars." He was nervous. Gunderson, he said,
> had a contract with the federal government to build 107,200 full
> 
> length railroad cars, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11
> sub-contractors in this giant project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over
> 2 billion dollars for the contract. Bethlehem Steel and other steel
> outfits are involved. He showed me one of the cars in the rail yards
> in North Portland. He was right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143
> times 11, you come up with about 15,000,000. This is probably the
> number of people who disagree with the federal government. No more can
> you vote any of these people out of office. Our present structure of
> government is "technocracy", not democracy, and it is a form of
> feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United
> States. These people are god-less, and have legislated out prayer in
> public schools. You can get fined up to $100,000 and two years in
> prison for praying in school. I believe we can do better. I also
> believe that the federal government is running the gambit of enslaving
> the people of the United States. I am not a very good speaker, but
> I'll keep shooting my mouth off until somebody puts a bullet in me,
> because it's worth it to talk to a group like this about these
> atrocities.
> 
> ::: America's Black Program Contractors :::
> 
> "There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There
> are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S.
> Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy
> the spare parts for these black programs for that amount. So, we've
> been lied to. The black budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two
> years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11
> tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the books involved with this
> clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of sleath programs: EG&G,
> Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison- Knudson, Wackenhut Security
> Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial in France,
> Mitsibishi Industries, Rider Trucks, Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus a
> host of hundreds more. Is this what we are supposed to be living up to
> as freedom- loving people? I don't believe so.
> 
> ::: Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat :::
> 
> "Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected
> by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry.
> By the way, none of the stealth program would have been available if
> we had not taken apart crashed alien disks. None of it. Some of you
> might ask what the "space shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of
> special metals that are milled in space and cannot be produced on the
> surface of the earth. They need the near vaccum of outer space to
> produce them. We are not even being told anything close to the truth.
> I believe our government officials have sold us down the drain - lock,
> stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the
> U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the
> highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars program is there solely
> to act as a buffer to prevent alien attack - it has nothing to do with
> the "cold war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the
> people - for what? The whole lie was planned and executed for the last
> 75 years.
> 
> ::: Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by U.S. Agencies and the United
> Nations :::
> 
> "Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug
> Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical
> weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This in 1993,
> and the figures have gone up considerably since. The United Nations
> used American stealth aircraft for over 28% of its collective
> worldwide operations from 1990 to 1992, according to the Center for
> Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.
> 
> ::: The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia
> Conflict :::
> 
> "The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct
> classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets.
> Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes called
> the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national tactical force
> primarily used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the
> way, there were 172 stealth aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were
> at last count about 162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks
> ago to the United Nations. There have been indications that the Delta
> Force was sent over to Bosnia during the last days of the Bush
> administration as a covert sniper force, and that they started taking
> pot shots at each side of the controversy, in order to actually start
> the Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding administrations
> for political purposes.
> 
> ::: Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States :::
> 
> "I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade
> 
> Center bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some- odd
> varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right
> after the blast. The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and
> the rebar was literally extruded up to six feet longer than its
> original length. There is only one weapon that can do that - a small
> nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type nuclear device. Obviously,
> when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage,
> they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably
> didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe
> that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as
> killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further mention
> that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are saying that it
> was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it. "First, they came out
> and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer bomb. Then, it was 1,500.
> Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of
> fertilizer in a Rider Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se.
> I know the chemical structure and the application of construction
> explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more
> than 13 deep underground military bases in the United States. I worked
> on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can
> tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not have
> hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in Oklahoma City.
> It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off
> the building, but it would have never have done that kind of damage. I
> believe I have been lied to, and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm
> telling you that you've been lied to.
> 
> ::: The Truth Behind the Republican Contract With America :::
> 
> "I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six
> months of life left in this country, at the present rate. We are the
> laughing stock of the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so
> many evil people that are runing this country. I think we can do
> better. I think the people over 45 are seriously worried about their
> future. I'm going to run some scary scenarios by you. The Contract
> With America. It contains the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used
> to subvert Germany in 1931. I believe we can do better. The Contract
> With America is a last ditch effort by our federal government to tear
> away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
> 
> ::: Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence :::
> 
> "The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the
> United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one being built.
> Is this the proper use of our money? What does the federal government
> need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to
> enslave us. I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I
> doubt if all the world needs that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth
> aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar. They
> can see you walking from room to room when they fly over your house.
> They see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of 1
> inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that is. Now, I worked in
> the federal government for a long time, and I know exactly how they
> handle their business.
> 
> ::: Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien
> Excretions :::
> 
> "The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a
> geologist, and I know what I am talking about. With the Kobe
> earthquake in Japan, there was no pulsewave as in a normal earthquake.
> None. In 1989, there was an earthquake in San Francisco. There was no
> pulse wave with that one either. It is a Tesla device that is being
> used for evil purposes. The black budget programs have subverted
> science as we know it. Look at AIDs, invented by the National
> Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago, Illinois in 1972. It was a biological
> weapon to be used against the people of the United States. The reason
> I know this is that I have seen the documentation by the Office of
> Strategic Services, which by the way is still in operation to this
> day, through the CDC in Atlanta. They used the glandular excretions of
> animals, humans and alien humanoids to create the virus. These alien
> humanoids the government is hobnobbing with are the worst news. There
> is absolutely no defense against their germs - none. They are a
> biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet
> needs to be isolated.
> 
> "Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar
> biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet, deserve this? No,
> we don't, but we are not doing anything about it. Every moment we
> waste, we are doing other people on the
> 
> planet a disservice. Right now, I am dying of cancer that I contracted
> because of my work for the federal government. I might live six
> months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out
> like I am, maybe God will give me the life to talk my head off. I will
> break every law that it takes to talk my head off. Eleven of my best
> friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders
> were called "suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a
> friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains
> in order to get to Needles, California, and I was followed by two
> government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a couple of
> occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I
> have spoken 19 times and have probably reached 45,000 people. Well, I
> got ahead of them and came to a stop in the middle of the road. They
> both went on either side of me and down a ravine. Is this what its
> going to take? I cut up my security card and sent it back to the
> government, and told them if I was threatened, and I have been, that I
> was going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the internet
> about government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun
> that task.
> 
> "Thank you very much."
> 
> End of May 1995 Lecture
> 
>

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A little digging into the Philip Scheider story gives some supportive 
evidence. It is not all fantasy...
But hardly directly relevant to Taos Hum.

http://www.psispy.com/ufo/people/s/schneider/

has various information about Philip Schneider, including an article from 
Shawdow Magazine published 1 Oct 1996.Written by Tim Swartz and Philips 
Ex-wife Cynthia Drayer.
...
Philip Schneider's body was discovered 1/17/1996, in his Wilsonville, 
Oregon, apartment. It was discovered at the funeral parlor that he had a 
rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. 
After an autopsy in Portland, Oregon, the medical examiner determined that 
it was a suicide. However, the ex-wife of Philip, Cynthia Drayer, believes 
that Philip was murdered and it was made to look like a suicide. Philip had 
been a "government whistle blower" for the last 3 years of his life.
....
Contact Cynthia Schneider Drayer, at cimbid@aol.com, for more information 
about Philip. She is willing to share what information she has, which 
includes proof of Philip's work with the government and his father's 
letters concerning the Philadelphia Experiment. 

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At 08:11 28/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>This first part is to Mr. Mutch.  You know, I don't care how long you've
>been on the list whether it be 18 months, two years or two decades. Do
>you think that it should make you some kind of an "elder" of the group
>and we should give ear to your CRAP just because many of us have
>tolerated you, yes, TOLERATED you, up to this point? I read your reply
>to me and I am still not convinced that your original post had anything
>to do with balance. It was a one-sided gay bashing by you and whoever
>else it was that was involved in your post. (Kev?) May I quote the "HIP
>HIP HOORAY" for the judge. And, you both you and Kev, (responsible for
>
>Sara

You silly women...  You've obviously shown your sexual orientation, by your defensive stance. 

OK, YOU WIN, THE POST WAS ABOUT GAY BASHING. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOURSELF NOW!....????


THE TRUTH IN REALITY:  (I'll write it big an slow so the pedantic can read it... )

 I DON'T GIVE A RATS BACKSIDE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS
 I DON'T CARE LESS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS
 I DON'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS
 ( I wonder how many times I have to repeat this. ???????)

                                 "     THE  

                                        ARTICLE
                
                                        WAS

                                        ABOUT 

                                        B . A . L . A . N . C . E....  

                                        SHEZZZ 
                                            
                                         LADY ".


Read the article again until you comprehend the true context of the post.... 
Your now showing everybody the extent of your intellect as well... 

                                        BALANCE   
                                        BALANCE
                                        BALANCE 

RE: Tolerance.
Your the one who talks about the military causing most of the problems.When your confronted with another persons point-of-view, with respect to your own subject matter, your find their point-of-view "tolerating", as you put it.  
I don't write the articles I just repost them... Take it up with the person who wrote it.


ONCE AGAIN FOR THE PEDANTIC :
        I DON'T CARE LESS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS...


G.D.Mutch
 
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At 09:29 29/10/97 CET, you wrote:
>A little digging into the Philip Scheider story gives some supportive 
>evidence. It is not all fantasy...
>But hardly directly relevant to Taos Hum.
>
>http://www.psispy.com/ufo/people/s/schneider/
>
>has various information about Philip Schneider, including an article from 
>Shawdow Magazine published 1 Oct 1996.Written by Tim Swartz and Philips 
>Ex-wife Cynthia Drayer.
>...
>Philip Schneider's body was discovered 1/17/1996, in his Wilsonville, 
>Oregon, apartment. It was discovered at the funeral parlor that he had a 
>rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. 
>After an autopsy in Portland, Oregon, the medical examiner determined that 
>it was a suicide. However, the ex-wife of Philip, Cynthia Drayer, believes 
>that Philip was murdered and it was made to look like a suicide. Philip had 
>been a "government whistle blower" for the last 3 years of his life.
>....
>Contact Cynthia Schneider Drayer, at cimbid@aol.com, for more information 
>about Philip. She is willing to share what information she has, which 
>includes proof of Philip's work with the government and his father's 
>letters concerning the Philadelphia Experiment. 
>

Thanks for the support Anders....
I'm not sure what to believe in this world any more...  Certain members of this list post loads of information about military installations ,and underground bases. One person being yourself Anders.  Some of these people then take offense when others post 
information in support of there claims.  What is a person to do when they take offense at their own material ?  For the record, there is a underground base in the middle of Australia, its speculated they can fully man it within two days.

I don't have to believe in what I post, I just repost it our of interest and support for others... 
If any one would like the rest of that Philip Schneider information please email me.
If your mail gets through I WILL reply to it; I can only reply to mail that gets through.
Number your repeated attempts to mail me in the subject header eg, Subject : Attempt 05.

Attn. Bill Beaty... (Assuming Bill B sent the original post.)
You won't have to remove me from this list, "I HAVE BOARDED ON UNSUBSCRIBING MANY TIMES"...
I don't need this list, it is the list that is in need of people like myself. I'm the only one with enough gumption to stand up and speak the truth. Whether the people except that truth or not... Denial is this lists biggest barrier...  I don't promote fe
ar,  I promote truth and understanding. The truth will always set one free. Denial allows it to continue.
Every one excepts passive technology is advancing, but no one excepts weapons technology is advancing: DENIAL... 
I want people to feel safe in the knowledge that the ELF days are numbered. "Balance" will come to those who are perpetrating this horrendous act.  Feel safe in the knowledge people are coming together and starting to talk.
Major events are likely to take place after the coming millennium.  Don't live in fear, live with "TLC and hope".

Love/Light to all those who seek...
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, i3910 wrote:

> You silly women...  


Mr. Mutch, this statement about "silly women" is an intentional insult.

> You've obviously shown your sexual orientation, by your defensive
> stance. 

This second statement insults the intelligence of your target.

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This is an extract from a posting in another list and I thought that it was
intetesting to see that two leading scientific organisations have equipment
sufficciently sensitive to detect low-frequency sounds and infrasound from
meteorites.
I find it difficult to believe that these same laboratories are not also
detecting the HUM and probably already have answers to the questions that we
are asking.

Does anyone on the list have any connections with anyone at Los Alamos
National Laboratory or NOAA, to find out?

Ronald Hill.

Extract follows:

Over the past year, two groups of scientists from Los Alamos National
Laboratory and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have
also reported low-frequency sound data showing that the Earth's atmosphere
was hit by at least 60 objects within several hours of the two that were
originally reported, two of which were also observed by Defense Department
satellites. 

Most of the infrasound-producing meteors occurred during daylight hours
and were not seen by witnesses, but the large number of collisions taking
place that night helps explain why two bright ones with such similar
trajectories would be seen so closely spaced in time. Although the
scientists eliminated their hypothesis of a single object bouncing off the
atmosphere and re-entering it later, they are still very interested in the
events of one year ago because it means the Earth collided with a cluster
of objects, perhaps pieces of a broken asteroid. 
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This is one of the reasons I don't believe the hum to be acoustic in
nature, at least the Hum that is being perceived in the Taos, New Mexico
area.  Sara Allen, I believe is in this camp.  While I was doing my
research at UNM my major professor was one of the team members who went
to Taos to try and find a possible hum source.  This team included
scientists from Los Alamos, Sandia, and Phillips National labs.  Los
Alamos does have infrasound detection equipment and some of this
equipment was used at Taos.  This equipment is ultimately used to detect
pressure waves from nuclear blasts.  Using this and other equipment NO
acoustic signal was found that could be attributed to the Hum.

Carlos Melendez
University of New Mexico Alumni - 1996

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	This is an extract from a posting in another list and I thought
that it was
	intetesting to see that two leading scientific organisations
have equipment
	sufficciently sensitive to detect low-frequency sounds and
infrasound from
	meteorites.
	I find it difficult to believe that these same laboratories are
not also
	detecting the HUM and probably already have answers to the
questions that we
	are asking.

	Does anyone on the list have any connections with anyone at Los
Alamos
	National Laboratory or NOAA, to find out?

	Ronald Hill.
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Well, when the science team was here from UNM along with technical
members from Sandia National Lab, Phillips Air Force Lab, and Los Alamos
National Lab, I, along with Horace Poteet (Sandia Senior Tech, who by
the way is a hearer,) spent late night hours with some very sensitive
measuring equipment. He and I concentrated on the audio spectrum
especially in the low frequency range. We could not detect any acoustic
energy that we could attribute to the hum, yet we could both sense the
hum. About 3 AM, we were in a roundtable discussion with all the tech's
present and we shared our findings. It was about then that several of
the tech's suggested that we brush up on our Tesla technology. Up to
that point I was only aware of Tesla as the inventor of the Tesla coil
and had heard of some other minor mentions in my studies. I began to
look into the Tesla background and it is there where I developed my
theory of how the hum is perceived and propagated. It is my belief that
the hum is NOT acoustic at all. I believe it to be electromagnetic in
origin, possibly scalar, based on the curl free magnetic vector
potential patents developed by Honeywell in the mid 1980's. Exactly why
some people are sensitive to this remains a mystery to me. Just about
everyone in my family can sense the hum.

For your information, Horace used the Faraday cage down at Sandia labs
to see if it blocked his perception of the hum. He went to the lengths
of having much of the auxiliary equipment shut down for his experiment.
He has told me that he was still able to sense the hum.

He and I both went into a room that exists in the Mechanical Engineering
Dept at UNM which is isolated vibrationally. We were both able to sense
the hum in this room.

Fred Sparber came up to Taos with a galvanized steel box which
unfortunately suffered minor damage in transit. I was put in the box and
the box was grounded and sealed as best we could to prevent e-fields. I
took a battery powered portable TV/FM inside with me to prove that TV
signals would not penetrate. They did not.  As far as I can determine
there was very little radio frequency penetration of the box if any at
all. I could still sense the hum with NO attenuation.

I hope this helps.

Sara


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Hi Carlos!!

We must've both posted at about the same time!!

Sara

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Sara:

Since a standard Faraday cage does not significantly attenuate
the magnetic component (which 
predominates at ELF frequencies), the the conventional (non-scalar)
magnetic component still appears to be a viable hypothesis, right?

The steel box would be more effective in attenuating the 
magnetic component (although mu metal would be better). 
Were there any measurements of attenuation vs. frequency for the box? 
Were there any measurements to match the audio frequency of the 
subjectively perceived hum? 

Thanks, Wes

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Yes, I believe that a standard cage would not be very effective in
screening out ELF.
The steel box was a rather crude experiment so no attenuation
measurements were taken.
Measurements were taken to match subjectively perceived hum with myself
as the subject. I have the results somewhere in my pile of paperwork in
my storage locker. If I recall correctly I was able to perceive beat
frequencies at about 33 HZ, 44 HZ, 67 HZ and 73 HZ. That is using an
external audio oscillator to beat against the hum as I sensed it. I was
in a room where I perceived the hum at a high intensity. Horace fed me
audio frequencies through a speaker and had control of the frequency and
volume of the audio. I was not told which frequencies were being used
except that they were in the 20 HZ to 100 HZ region. Whenever I detected
a beat frequency between the hum and the audio frequency I would report
the beat. I found the results interesting in that I was able to detect
beats at several different frequencies. I know that Joe Mullins and/or
Horace have the results on paper as well. We had to discontinue the
experiment because it gave me a severe headache and it took me a couple
of days to recover.

My own experimentation with the hum using an audio oscillator as the
beat has resulted in beats at about the same frequencies as those
produced in that experiment. The one that seems to be the most prominent
for me is the 32 HZ beat and is the easiest to reproduce experimentally.

I also developed a simulation of the hum based on the experience I had
during the UNM team's investigation. It was made using three audio
oscillators. One at 32 HZ and two close beat at 64 HZ. To one of the 64
HZ signals a small amount of frequency modulation was applied. I
recorded it to a DAT in the equipment truck and then have played it back
on a stereo high fi (it does not have to be in stereo mode, mono is
prefered since the original recording is mono.) During playback the
volume level of the amplifier is set to threshold of hearing, then
backed off and brought back up until the simulation is barely perceived.
It is best played back on the original DAT media. I have dubbed it to
cassette from DAT and it is just not the same. I have demonstrated this
simulation to skeptics and have had them request me to turn it off after
a time. They are shocked when they are told that I had already turned it
off and the hum that they NOW were perceiving IS the Taos Hum.

Oh, a gentleman named James Garner (not the actor) from Albuquerque NM
has purportedly recorded the actual hum. I have a copy of his recording
which was made using a modified piezo electric tweeter as the
"microphone" transducer. The recording he made sounds to me an awful lot
like the hum I perceive. I have reason to believe that his recordings
are accurate. He sent me some schematics of his high gain amp but I have
not had time nor place to build it. During the best recordings he had
buried the transducer deep in the ground.

If anyone would like to contact him for more particulars I could
possible dig up his phone number from somewhere in my papers. I would be
happy to forward it to you via private e-mail.

Sara

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Sara: 

Excellent data! Thanks much. Just to clarify, when you said
you perceived beats at those frequencies, I assume you meant
that as the audio oscillator approached each of those frequencies, you
perceived a beat, right? It would be interesting to know at
what frequencies you started to perceive beats. Were these 
pure sinusoidal signals? Given the "deisel engine" reports, it 
would also be interesting to adjust pulse repetition frequency
and waveform to match perceived sounds. It would also
be interesting to monitor for ELF signals, perhaps triggering or synching
to this PRF and notch-filtering out 60 and 120 Hz power-line artifacts
as well as 60 Hz beat frequencies (resulting from nonlinearities) at 30 
and 90 Hz. Are you aware of any such tests? 

This assumes that the hum is activated by either specific magnetic
frequencies or combinations of magnetic frequencies at specific
pulse modulation frequency combinations. I infer this because you didn't 
report perception of the strongest ambient ELF signals at 60, 30, 90, and 82
(Russian submarine communication frequency), as of 1990 (see
http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/eicr.html). I don't have
data on U.S. ELF sub communications frequencies, but
33 (32?), 44, 67, and 73 Hz and/or sum and difference 
frequencies would be good guesses....

Also, what was your affiliation at that time? I would appreciate any other 
specifics on frequencies and contacts. Are you aware of any research on
perceived sound from ELF frequencies in that range? And please do
email me with James Garner's contact information.

Thanks, 

Wes Thomas, writer

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At 04:52 PM 10/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, when the science team was here from UNM along with technical
>members from Sandia National Lab, Phillips Air Force Lab, and Los Alamos
>National Lab, 

All fed-gov-funded with motive and opportunity to keep secrets secret...

>I, along with Horace Poteet (Sandia Senior Tech, who by
>the way is a hearer,) spent late night hours with some very sensitive
>measuring equipment. He and I concentrated on the audio spectrum
>especially in the low frequency range. We could not detect any acoustic
>energy that we could attribute to the hum, yet we could both sense the
>hum. 

How sensitive from 2-20 Hz?  Most mics roll off quick below 40 Hz, so they
have no usable signal below 20 Hz.  You'd also need digital filtering to be
able to resolve anything useful, and the noise-floor in most environments
would mask many interesting signals, right?

>About 3 AM, we were in a roundtable discussion with all the tech's
>present and we shared our findings. It was about then that several of
>the tech's suggested that we brush up on our Tesla technology. Up to
>that point I was only aware of Tesla as the inventor of the Tesla coil
>and had heard of some other minor mentions in my studies. I began to
>look into the Tesla background and it is there where I developed my
>theory of how the hum is perceived and propagated. It is my belief that
>the hum is NOT acoustic at all. I believe it to be electromagnetic in
>origin, possibly scalar, based on the curl free magnetic vector
>potential patents developed by Honeywell in the mid 1980's. Exactly why
>some people are sensitive to this remains a mystery to me. Just about
>everyone in my family can sense the hum.

VERY INTERESTING!  I studied the Honeywell/Gelinas patents years ago,
asked lots of questions of "top dogs" at Honeywell, and got NO answers!
My belief (see this in the patents) is that they have developed a "scalar"
"radio" that operates in the 4th dimension, whatever that is.  Properties of
their system include direction-finding and distance determination, both for
receiving AND transmitting.  In other words, they can target any point in 3D
space, and selectively send & receive information ONLY TO THAT POINT!

Maxwell's suppressed Quaternion Equations might be a clue to unraveling
this mystery, since they seem to deal with a fourth dimension, and Tesla
knew even more, but he kept most of what he knew to himself.  Let's find
out for ourselves!

>For your information, Horace used the Faraday cage down at Sandia labs
>to see if it blocked his perception of the hum. He went to the lengths
>of having much of the auxiliary equipment shut down for his experiment.
>He has told me that he was still able to sense the hum.
>
>He and I both went into a room that exists in the Mechanical Engineering
>Dept at UNM which is isolated vibrationally. We were both able to sense
>the hum in this room.
>
>Fred Sparber came up to Taos with a galvanized steel box which
>unfortunately suffered minor damage in transit. I was put in the box and
>the box was grounded and sealed as best we could to prevent e-fields. I
>took a battery powered portable TV/FM inside with me to prove that TV
>signals would not penetrate. They did not.  As far as I can determine
>there was very little radio frequency penetration of the box if any at
>all. I could still sense the hum with NO attenuation.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Sara


The TRUTH is OUT THERE!

My bet is on our ability to ignore the fed-gov-funded BS & disinformation,
and to move on to real science that can expain all to everyone that asks.

Anybody interested?

Steve
near the MinneApple



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Thanks to Sara for informative message.

> If I recall correctly I was able to perceive beat frequencies at 
>about 33 HZ, 44 HZ, 67 HZ and 73 HZ. That is using an external 
>audio oscillator to beat against the hum as I sensed it. 

This suggests that your hum has a basic frequency of around 11 Hz. (Not 
HZ..)

> I have reason to believe that his recordings are accurate. 

What reason would that be?

>During the best recordings he had buried the transducer deep in 
>the ground.

Piezoelectric transducers are sometimes used to detect ground 
vibrations. Perhaps a ground vibration plays a role in this.

Regards, Anders

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>VERY INTERESTING!  I studied the Honeywell/Gelinas patents years 
>ago, asked lots of questions of "top dogs" at Honeywell, and got 
>NO answers!
>My belief (see this in the patents) is that they have developed a 
>"scalar" "radio" that operates in the 4th dimension, whatever that 
>is.  

There is no mention of any 4th dimension in the patents. That is an addition 
of your own. 

>Properties of their system include direction-finding and 
>distance determination, both for receiving AND transmitting.  

That is true.

>In other words, they can target any point in 3D space, and selectively 
>send & receive information ONLY TO THAT POINT!

There is no such suggestion in the patents at all. You can hardly find a 
logical way to conclude anything such from the patent. 


>Maxwell's suppressed Quaternion Equations might be a clue to 
>unraveling this mystery, since they seem to deal with a fourth 
>dimension, 

I assume you havent bothered to read Maxwell? If you have you could 
perhaps add some detail to this statement.


Regards, Anders

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> I believe it to be electromagnetic in origin, possibly scalar, 
>based on the curl free magnetic vector potential patents developed 
>by Honeywell in the mid 1980's. 

Curl free magnetic fields are not difficult to generate, (but they are harder to
detect).
And they are generated by much common electronic equipment.
If curl free magnetic fields were the source of your hum, presumably you could 
make some hum yourself with a VLF oscillator and a coil. Did you ever try that?

Regards, Anders




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I became interested, not as one who is hearing the hum, but from something
described in a book.  Has anyone read the Celestine Prophecy and it's sequal,
The Tenth Insight?  It described the Taos Hum as something caused by
government testing...in attempts to manipulate/harness the Earth's natural
energy fields.  According to the 'Tenth Insight', it caused great
destruction/disturbances in these fields.  Has anyone noticed or discussed
this similarity?

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>It described the Taos Hum as something caused by government 
>testing...in attempts to manipulate/harness the Earth's natural 
>energy fields.  
>According to the 'Tenth Insight', it caused great destruction/disturbances 
>in these fields.  Has anyone noticed or discussed this similarity?

Michael Theroux (Director - Borderland Sciences Research Foundation, 
theroux@borderlands.com) discusses this possibility, but he gets little play 
from the other members of the group. It seems possible to detect "The Earth's 
natural energy fields" (which are cosidered as some kind of non-carbon 
lifeform) with a shortwave receiver and an antenna dug down in the garden (!!) 
In books from Borderland evidence is given, that this might be fruitful. -- We 
are waiting for somebody to do it...

According to Borderland author (George Vassilis???) HAARP is only one of 
several projects that might disturb "The Earth's natural energy fields".

Regards, Anders

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Ron Hill wrote:
-snip-
  >>This is an extract from a posting in another list and I thought that it was
  >>intetesting to see that two leading scientific organisations have equipment
  >>sufficciently sensitive to detect low-frequency sounds and infrasound from
  >>meteorites.
  >>I find it difficult to believe that these same laboratories are not also
  >>detecting the HUM and probably already have answers to the questions that we
  >>are asking.
  >>
  >>Does anyone on the list have any connections with anyone at Los Alamos
  >>National Laboratory or NOAA, to find out?
  >>
  >>Ronald Hill.
  >>
  >>Extract follows:
  >>
  >>Over the past year, two groups of scientists from Los Alamos National
  >>Laboratory and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have
  >>also reported low-frequency sound data showing that the Earth's atmosphere
  >>was hit by at least 60 objects within several hours of the two that were
  >>originally reported, two of which were also observed by Defense Department
  >>satellites. 
  >>
  >>Most of the infrasound-producing meteors occurred during daylight hours
  >>and were not seen by witnesses, but the large number of collisions taking
  >>place that night helps explain why two bright ones with such similar
  >>trajectories would be seen so closely spaced in time. Although the
  >>scientists eliminated their hypothesis of a single object bouncing off the
  >>atmosphere and re-entering it later, they are still very interested in the
  >>events of one year ago because it means the Earth collided with a cluster
  >>of objects, perhaps pieces of a broken asteroid. 
  >>............................................................................
 
If I'm following correctly, are you saying, that these incoming iceburgs
(the size of houses and reported and photographed by nasa) colliding with
our outer atmosphere *ARE* Ringing Our Bell! (?) Shaking the Entire
Atmosphere so to speak and cause the hums?  Very Interesting. BUT, would
they go on for weeks? (maybe).. One thing I haven't noted is if they are
"THERE THEY ARE, STILL THERE. STILL THERE. fading fading fading", Versus
"ITS LOUDER NOW.. (time passes (hours?)) ITS LOUDER NOW"...
Kind of a Pounding - Pounding - Pounding that one could envision if
hanging onto the clapper of a bell.

-=se=-

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Sara T. Allen wrote:
  >>
  >>Well, when the science team was here from UNM along with technical
  >>members from Sandia National Lab, Phillips Air Force Lab, and Los Alamos
  >>National Lab, I, along with Horace Poteet (Sandia Senior Tech, who by
  >>the way is a hearer,) spent late night hours with some very sensitive
  >>measuring equipment. He and I concentrated on the audio spectrum
  >>especially in the low frequency range. We could not detect any acoustic
  >>energy that we could attribute to the hum, yet we could both sense the
  >>hum. About 3 AM, we were in a roundtable discussion with all the tech's
  >>present and we shared our findings. It was about then that several of
  >>the tech's suggested that we brush up on our Tesla technology. Up to
  >>that point I was only aware of Tesla as the inventor of the Tesla coil
  >>and had heard of some other minor mentions in my studies. I began to
  >>look into the Tesla background and it is there where I developed my
  >>theory of how the hum is perceived and propagated. It is my belief that
  >>the hum is NOT acoustic at all. I believe it to be electromagnetic in
  >>origin, possibly scalar, based on the curl free magnetic vector
  >>potential patents developed by Honeywell in the mid 1980's. Exactly why
  >>some people are sensitive to this remains a mystery to me. Just about
  >>everyone in my family can sense the hum.
  >>
  >>For your information, Horace used the Faraday cage down at Sandia labs
  >>to see if it blocked his perception of the hum. He went to the lengths
  >>of having much of the auxiliary equipment shut down for his experiment.
  >>He has told me that he was still able to sense the hum.
  >>
  >>He and I both went into a room that exists in the Mechanical Engineering
  >>Dept at UNM which is isolated vibrationally. We were both able to sense
  >>the hum in this room.
  >>
  >>Fred Sparber came up to Taos with a galvanized steel box which
  >>unfortunately suffered minor damage in transit. I was put in the box and
  >>the box was grounded and sealed as best we could to prevent e-fields. I
  >>took a battery powered portable TV/FM inside with me to prove that TV
  >>signals would not penetrate. They did not.  As far as I can determine
  >>there was very little radio frequency penetration of the box if any at
  >>all. I could still sense the hum with NO attenuation.
  >>
  >>I hope this helps.
  >>Sara
Sara, you are much more versed in this than I, and I just sent a post
with-in the last hour about the incoming Iceburgs that are described now
as to hit "constently", "pummeling", "daily bombardment" etc...
  I forgot to mention that IF I can hear the hum - I would be a level 1 or
2 hearer only...  The most remembered time WAS diesel like in sound, BUT,
being a bit a a mechanic myself.. WASN'T QUITE TIMED RIGHT!... Like huff
and puffing (but pausing occassional inbetween?).. Constant BUT NOT
STABLE! On-Going (Loudest never Louder... Softest never Softer) then there
is always the nanosecond(?) slip of time to the next idle stroke... Drove
me crazy that the asperator on THAT diesel was set so finely...Almost
constant, But NOT QUITE!!
--  Anyway, looks like your above electro-free-vector Tesla-Farady Cage
approaches have been looked at..(Maybe Not Audible/Electric, but
Concussion/Impact of sorts)
  Could you suggest an experiment that would isolated an individual from
the aether *Pounding* of an incoming /earth spinning Bell-Ringing piece(s)
of space stuff??
---
I thought about a hammock arrangement, (not between trees), in an
Anti-vibration tank as you mentioned above. Better Yet, surrounded by a
vaccuum or solid lead walls.
 (Are any of the list-users
out there SCUBA-DIVERS? This could prove to point to NON-Acustics if it
was greater OR Less Under Water.  I'm really not sure what I'm try to
suggest with the hammock isolation, except maybe an outer membrame (any
type) (vaccuum preferred(?) for aether isolation check-points
---
I'm likening it to a Concussion Slap of ones hand on the surface of a
swimming pool while you're under water. The Aether Sea we live in is going
to be a bit harder to get OUT OF though. (the further away from the impact
the better).
---
I wasn't going to post this, as IF I HAVE/DO hear IT (level 1 or2), then I
KNOW it is Very CONSTANT when it is there!! UP..down,UP.....down,UP.down,
BUT that little -not quit TUNED aspect- variation makes me wonder if our
earth -flying (orbitally) through our universe- could be hitting that many
incoming pieces of whatever -that disintegrate on our upper atmosphere- to
ring our air like a bell.
---
Note: I think we JUST this year or last announced that indeed we are being
hit by these house-size 'ice-burgs' on a daily basis in our highest
atmosphere levels.. (could there be more (smaller ones) we Don't detect
Yet?)
.. would layering (atmospheres) punch then repunch etc.. to produce the
THROBBING (not quite in-tune) EFFECT.
-------
Admittadly, the hum(s) I hear don't seem to be that far off (striaght up
either) so, this post is a FAR reach to find the problem.. additionally
hearers would hear it world-wide (everywhere) I think, though less on the
leading edge of our spinning ball. (say more at night or early morning..
(i think we spin W-E in the foward direction we're going.. so there
should/would be season(?) for most heard activities.
---
Hope that makes a little sense,

-=se=-
p.s.
we need MORE DATA from List-users
Time:
Date:
Location:
Time of year/Time of day (local)
Intensity gauge (compared to other hearings)

..thoughts?..
