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Steve Elwall wrote:

>I forgot to mention that IF I can hear the hum - I would be a level 1
or
2 hearer only...  The most remembered time WAS diesel like in sound,
BUT,
being a bit a a mechanic myself.. WASN'T QUITE TIMED RIGHT!... Like huff

and puffing (but pausing occassional inbetween?).. Constant BUT NOT
STABLE! On-Going (Loudest never Louder... Softest never Softer) then
there
is always the nanosecond(?) slip of time to the next idle stroke...
Drove
me crazy that the asperator on THAT diesel was set so finely...Almost
constant, But NOT QUITE!!<

Boy, that is about the best description of the hum that  I have heard in
quite awhile. Especially the part about that nanosecond slip of time to
the next idle stroke.

At first, when I heard the irregualar "beat" of the hum, I thought
perhaps that I was actually hearing my own pulse and movement of blood
through my body and head. I counted the hum pulses and counted my pulse,
close but not quite in synch. Where my own pulse at rest is normally 59,
or 60 bpm, the hum is always 62, 63, in that region. I did try to count
pulse and hum beat at the same time but got confused as to which was
which. Then I concentrated on my pulse and the hum and it kind of is in
sync then obviously loses sync like a windshield wiper keeping beat to a
song, but not quite exactly and then it is out of sync. That convinced
me that I was not hearing my own body noise.

I don't think that your theory of big chunks of ice hitting the
atmosphere is the cause for the Taos Hum. Mainly because I don't believe
that it is an acoustic phenomenon. It has never been detected using
acoustic transducers.

BTW, the low frequency transducer we used during the UNM search was
optimized for 8 HZ. It was designed and built by the UNM Mechanical
Engineering Department and is fondly known as the Big Ear. We were able
to use filters and spectrum analysis and had access to equipment that
enabled us to take time samples of the noise floor and then see if there
was anything other than random noise. There was not. Believe me, we
tried everything we could to extract some kind of an acoustic signal
from the background noise. These tests were done in an absolutely quiet
environment. In the middle of the night in rural Northern New Mexico it
is very quiet. Yes, there is the occasional motor vehicle traffic which
our big ear could pick up long before our ears. Then we could watch the
doppler move in frequency on the spectrum analyzer until we could hear
it. Aircraft produced the same effect. After they had passed however,
and their signature disappeared from the spectrum analyzer, all there
was was background noise, and not very much of that at all. The Big Ear
was in a closed room at least 50 feet away from the equipment truck. The
Big Ear was so sensitive that we could tap gently on the side of the
truck and see the results of the gentle tap on the spectrum analyzer
being picked up by the Big Ear, inside of a closed bedroom in the guest
house where our tests were being conducted. Horace and I amused
ourselves for quite awhile seeing how gently we could tap and not get a
result on the test equipment. Let me tell you that even the gentlest of
taps resulted in some deviation of the test equipment. I am convinced
that the set up we used would've picked up an acoustic signature from DC
on out to the limits of human hearing if one had existed. We did not
pick up any acoustic signature that could be attributed to the hum.

How about a discussion of slow frequency hopped transmissions? That
described by the paper published by JPL as "Optimum Detection of Slow
Frequency Hopped Signals." I will have to retrieve the publishing date
and such from my storage unit which I will be visiting during the next
few days. My understanding is that slow frequency hopping is the
transmission of multiple data bits per frequency hop as opposed to
multiple frequency hops per data bit. I believe that this is part of the
technology used in ELF submarine communications systems.

Has anyone seen the movie "Crimson Tide"? The one about a US Missile Sub
losing communications with headquarters after it had been ordered to
shoot. I logged on to the Military Forum on Compuserve shortly after the
movies release and eavesdropped on some chat among sub sailors who
verified that the premise of the movie was unlikely. To paraphrase what
one of them said "We are NEVER out of communications." I read that as
even when a sub is 1000 ft, 2000 ft deep, it is never out of
communications. Think about the technology required to communicate with
a patrolling SSBN 24 hours a day, 365 days a year without exposing that
submarine to the danger of detection. Gone are the days when a sub
received a frequency hopped coded message of three or four letters
instructing it to rise near the surface to deploy as long wire floating
antenna or raise it's radio mast. Near the surface a submarine is in
grave danger of detection by OPFOR ASW. Any datum point an OPFOR can
determine can lead to the compromise of the mission. Welcome to the days
when a sub can remain deep, silent and virtually undetectable and still
remain in communications full time. Remember 400 baud modems? Where are
we now. 33.6K and beyond on copper standard phone lines. Think of it
like this. The Navy still wants us to believe that it is still using 400
baud technologie. NOT!

I am not saying that this is unnecessary technology. I believe we need
to give our submarine service every advantage possible to fulfill their
mission.

I seriously doubt that on our own we will ever be able to do the R&D
necessary to come up with a Taos Hum detector.

What we need to do is to convince the military, government authorities
that there is an unforeseen adverse effect caused by this technology and
that it needs to be looked at to see why and how a human being can sense
the "static" caused by it. I have been trying for years to no avail. I
have taken some time off, and now I am devoting a small amount of time
to once again try.

Several of you have asked me if I have built certain circuits or tried
certain experiments. The answer is No. I don't have access to an R & D
facility. I hardly have room for my CD collection where I am living.
Also, I am not interested in spending any time developing circuitry.
Quite frankly, I would rather be chasing a stupid white round ball
around 18 holes while whistling dixie. (currently 14 handicap.) :)

However, I would consider running tests in the Taos area using circuits
supplied to me by others.

Stand by and be patient with me on the phone numbers, document numbers
etc. that I have to retrieve from storage. It will take me a few days.

Sara


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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, i3910 wrote:

> Attn. Bill Beaty... (Assuming Bill B sent the original post.)

Yes, it's me.  
I check the list control file and see that you have not yet unsubscribed.

> You won't have to remove me from this list, "I HAVE BOARDED ON
> UNSUBSCRIBING MANY TIMES"... I don't need this list, it is the list that
> is in need of people like myself. I'm the only one with enough gumption
> to stand up and speak the truth.

You say that your intention is to speak the truth.  But you also say this:

   > My intended context of the post was directed to the ELF (evil little
   > fellows) , as is most of my posts to this list.

   > This list is monitored by radio broadcast stations world
   > wide. You now see the method in my unorthodox manner. This list is
   > valuable in that regard.

This is not "speaking the truth."  Instead this is usurping the taoshum-L
discussion group for your own personal aims.  You are using taoshum-L as a
publicity channel for your cause.  Worse, you do this without humility,
without asking permission, and over the objections of many of your fellow
users.

Taoshum-L is a community of hum-hearers and researchers, not the G. Mutch
personal broadcast channel for communicating with "evil little fellows"
and radio stations.  Taoshum-L is not your personal channel for
distributing announcements and text files to the world outside this list.

Now about this:

At 23:07 24/10/97 +1000, ??? wrote:
 > I was pleased to hear of some sense coming out of the courts just
 > recently. A judge down south has rejected the decision that it was a
 > discrimination against lesbians to be able to have artifical
 > inpregnation (HIP HIP HOORAY)  At least for a while there will be some
 > kids that will not suffer.  Family values must come first, just look
 > whats happening with single parents let alone lesbians or poofs (what
 > do you call them?) things would really be stuffed up. 3 chears for that
 > judge keep up the good work.

I realize that you did not write the above message.  However, this message
is extremely inflammatory anti-gay politics.  Gay or straight is not the
issue, inflammatory politics is the issue.  If you had posted a message
about pro/con abortion, pro/con caucasian superiority, etc., it would be
inflammatory politics as well, and would probably start a flamewar here. 
On a political discussion list these messages are expected.  Only a flamer
would intentionally post them to taoshum-L!  But perhaps you didn't
realize that "Gay Rights" is the stuff of flamewars, and just made an
honest mistake.

I am not going to unsubscribe you, but if you wish to continue using this
group, you must limit yourself to simply participating in discussions.  I
require these two things:

  You must refrain in the future from crossposting any message from
  another discussion group.  If persons from other discussion groups want
  to discuss the hum, they are free to subscribe themselves to taoshum-L.

  You must refrain in the future from posting any pre-written text file
  unless you first humbly ask and receive permission from the rest of the
  taoshum-L community.

PLEASE SAY WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NO

If you violate these two requirements, I will have to unsubscribe you.

Also, I strongly suggest that you attempt to see the situation from the
viewpoint of other people, and consider apologizing to other users for
ignoring their complaints.  Just a suggestion, not a requirement. 
Humility defeats arrogance.  Without humility, arrogance and illusions of
titanic self-importance always take over our lives. 

I must point out that members of an "evil conspiracy" would be ruled by
ego and self-centered arrogance.  It's of utmost importance for us to
maintain humility and observe our own actions constantly.  If we don't, we
put ourselves in great danger of sinking to their level.

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Steve Beatty - N0CRE wrote:
> 
> At 04:52 PM 10/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Well, when the science team was here from UNM along with technical
> >members from Sandia National Lab, Phillips Air Force Lab, and Los Alamos
> >National Lab,
> 
> All fed-gov-funded with motive and opportunity to keep secrets secret...
> 
> >I, along with Horace Poteet (Sandia Senior Tech, who by
> >the way is a hearer,) spent late night hours with some very sensitive
> >measuring equipment. He and I concentrated on the audio spectrum
> >especially in the low frequency range. We could not detect any acoustic
> >energy that we could attribute to the hum, yet we could both sense the
> >hum.
> 
> How sensitive from 2-20 Hz?  Most mics roll off quick below 40 Hz, so they
> have no usable signal below 20 Hz.  You'd also need digital filtering to be
> able to resolve anything useful, and the noise-floor in most environments
> would mask many interesting signals, right?
> 
> >About 3 AM, we were in a roundtable discussion with all the tech's
> >present and we shared our findings. It was about then that several of
> >the tech's suggested that we brush up on our Tesla technology. Up to
> >that point I was only aware of Tesla as the inventor of the Tesla coil
> >and had heard of some other minor mentions in my studies. I began to
> >look into the Tesla background and it is there where I developed my
> >theory of how the hum is perceived and propagated. It is my belief that
> >the hum is NOT acoustic at all. I believe it to be electromagnetic in
> >origin, possibly scalar, based on the curl free magnetic vector
> >potential patents developed by Honeywell in the mid 1980's. Exactly why
> >some people are sensitive to this remains a mystery to me. Just about
> >everyone in my family can sense the hum.
> 
> VERY INTERESTING!  I studied the Honeywell/Gelinas patents years ago,
> asked lots of questions of "top dogs" at Honeywell, and got NO answers!
> My belief (see this in the patents) is that they have developed a "scalar"
> "radio" that operates in the 4th dimension, whatever that is.  Properties of
> their system include direction-finding and distance determination, both for
> receiving AND transmitting.  In other words, they can target any point in 3D
> space, and selectively send & receive information ONLY TO THAT POINT!
> 
> Maxwell's suppressed Quaternion Equations might be a clue to unraveling
> this mystery, since they seem to deal with a fourth dimension, and Tesla
> knew even more, but he kept most of what he knew to himself.  Let's find
> out for ourselves!
> 
> >For your information, Horace used the Faraday cage down at Sandia labs
> >to see if it blocked his perception of the hum. He went to the lengths
> >of having much of the auxiliary equipment shut down for his experiment.
> >He has told me that he was still able to sense the hum.
> >
> >He and I both went into a room that exists in the Mechanical Engineering
> >Dept at UNM which is isolated vibrationally. We were both able to sense
> >the hum in this room.
> >
> >Fred Sparber came up to Taos with a galvanized steel box which
> >unfortunately suffered minor damage in transit. I was put in the box and
> >the box was grounded and sealed as best we could to prevent e-fields. 
  Question...? if the box was grounded is there not a possibility that
the field of the box itself could be influeneced by a variety of EMF
fields that circulate within  and up thru the ground itself?  How about
the battery operated TV would'nt that give of a slight and possibly
interfering field if it was close to ones body even tho it is turned
off?

    These may be foolish questions but, any reponses would be
appreciated.     Denis

> >took a battery powered portable TV/FM inside with me to prove that TV
> >signals would not penetrate. They did not.  As far as I can determine
> >there was very little radio frequency penetration of the box if any at
> >all. I could still sense the hum with NO attenuation.
> >
> >I hope this helps.
> >
> >Sara
> 
> The TRUTH is OUT THERE!
> 
> My bet is on our ability to ignore the fed-gov-funded BS & disinformation,
> and to move on to real science that can expain all to everyone that asks.
> 
> Anybody interested?
> 
> Steve
> near the MinneApple

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Crude definitions:

   "ON TOPIC DISCUSSION" -  if someone complains about on-topic
    discussions, then they are probably subscribed to the wrong list.

   "OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION" - if someone complains about off-topic
    discussions, then those who are participating in the discussion
    should cease immediately and possibly apologize to other users.

On taoshum-L, what exactly is "off topic?"

It is my understanding that the "Hum" is an undirected, nearly continuous
sort of (electronic?) noise pollution with unknown cause.  On the other
hand, G. D. Mutch is possibly the target of intelligently-directed mind
control devices aimed at him personally. 

In my opinion, mind-control which makes a humming noise is a fundamentally
different topic than the "Taos Hum."  People who suffer from the "Taos
Hum" are not the victims of intentional mind control directed at them
personally and intentionally altered in intensity day-by-day to punish
their specific actions.  And conversely, the hum which Mr. Mutch hears
acts very differently than the signal heard by "hummers." 

This point is important, since this list was intended for the discussion
of the "Taos Hum," and off-topic discussions must be minimized.  If the
"Taos Hum" is not a mind-control weapon purposely directed only at
specific individuals then discussions of these mind-control issues are
off-topic, and they should be pursued ONLY IF OTHER LIST SUBSCRIBERS HAVE
NO OBJECTIONS. 

These subjects are off-topic for taoshum-L:

  Mind control directed at specific individuals

  Evil secret organizations, government conspiracies

If subscribers have good reasons for why this is wrong, please tell me
now.  If a fair number of people object, we can discuss it. 


These two subjects have only a small connection with the Taos Hum. 
Discussion of conspiracies, while important, is far more about politics
and beliefs than about Taos hum, and it is proving to be too disruptive to
this group.  I see value in discussion of origins of the Hum in "mind
control" technology, so some aspects of the subject are applicable to the
Hum.  But Taos Hum is obviously not the classic "mind control", where
secret organizations are persecuting selected individuals for definite
purposes. 

Anyone who wishes to start the above off-topic discussions can take the
usual path for such things:  ask taoshum-L users for permission to start a
discussion.  Or, announce the discussion and then move to private mail. 
Or announce a Newsgroup location for the discussion.  You can even start
your own listserver at eskimo.com if you wish, running it remotely via
telnet.  See eskimo.com's webpage, or contact me for further info. 

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I'm interested .. I never heard of 400-Baud modems. There were 75-,
100-, 150-, 300-, and eventually 600-Baud, but I would like to know
when and where 400-Baud were used. Thanks,

Sara T. Allen wrote:
(snip...)
> remain in communications full time. Remember 400 baud modems? Where
> are
> we now. 33.6K and beyond on copper standard phone lines. Think of it
> like this. The Navy still wants us to believe that it is still using
> 400
> baud technologie. NOT!
(snip..)
> Sara


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I wonder if any of you are familiar with seismic exploration vibrators?
They have completely replaced explosives for the usual exploration
and mapping of underground features (but see "sea-floor", below).
The underlying principle is that a compression disturbance is produced
in one place and the delayed, reflected pressure wave is detectected
at some distance away. The reflections come from geological
discontinuities in the underlying earth, from features that are
thousands of meters below. The pressure wave is produced as
described below.

I worked for a few years for the Pelton Company in Ponca City OK.
The company is the principal supplier of the controls for vibrator
trucks, and I was a software and hardware design engineer. Before
working for the company, I experienced something like the hum in
Tigard, Oregon, but knew that the vibrations came from the explorations.
At a given site at that time (1986) there would be usually one truck,
very occasionally two. Today they are often operated in groups of
four. A 450-hp diesel engine operates a pump that supplies
high-pressure fluid. This powers a plate that is about four feet square
that moves up and down about 4 inches in its range. The motion of
the plate is sinusoidal, very accurately controlled in phase (within
about 2 degrees) and frequency (from about 3 Hz to about 100 Hz is the
usual range of control). The holdout weight of the plate is up to
70,000 pounds. The vertical excursion of the plate is such that there
is no "cavitation", that is, the plate is in contact with the ground
at all times. The force of vibration is about 40 g, as I recall
(perhaps inaccurately). There can be a small amount of horizontal
drift on hard dirt and scrabble, etc.  The usual mode of operation
is to sweep the frequency of vibration from low to high, 5 Hz to
85 Hz, with either logarithmic or linear rate of change of frequency
with time. This is called an "upsweep". Downsweeps are also used.
The sweeps are timed to run about 1/2 to 1 minute duration. Naturally,
one of the limits on frequencies used is the response of the
"down-hole" transducers that are located about a mile or two from
the trucks, located in temporary test holes drilled for the purpose
(having a lifetime expectation of about 2 hours before collapse).

As for operation in the ocean, this not done to my knowledge using
Pelton controls. The operational complexities of manipulating the
hydrolic lines that would go to a transducer on the sea bed evidently
are too much for this to be practical -- it is said. But I vaguely
remember that there were at one time "clam shell" transducers for
sea-floor vibrators were tried out. I believe that only explosives
are used now in sea-bed seismic exploration.

The reason that I have not mentioned it to the group before now is
that the sweeps are usually done as described above, with varying
frequency. However, the apparatus is perfectly capable of maintaining
constant frequency vibrations in the range of 0.5 to 120 Hz and could
easily introduce sharp discontinuities in frequency or amplitude
(hesitations). I do not know of applications using such
quasi-constant frequency or long-duration sweeps.

Sara T. Allen wrote: (Re: National Laboratories and the Hum)
> 
> Steve Elwall wrote:
> 
> >I forgot to mention that IF I can hear the hum - I would be a level 1
> or
> 2 hearer only...  The most remembered time WAS diesel like in sound,
> BUT,
> being a bit a a mechanic myself.. WASN'T QUITE TIMED RIGHT!... Like
> huff 
> and puffing (but pausing occassional inbetween?).. Constant BUT NOT
> STABLE! On-Going (Loudest never Louder... Softest never Softer) then
> there
> is always the nanosecond(?) slip of time to the next idle stroke...
> Drove
> me crazy that the asperator on THAT diesel was set so finely...Almost
> constant, But NOT QUITE!!<
> 
> Boy, that is about the best description of the hum that  I have heard
> in
> quite awhile. Especially the part about that nanosecond slip of time
> to
> the next idle stroke.
> 
> At first, when I heard the irregualar "beat" of the hum, I thought
> perhaps that I was actually hearing my own pulse and movement of blood
> through my body and head. I counted the hum pulses and counted my
> pulse,
> close but not quite in synch. Where my own pulse at rest is normally
> 59,
> or 60 bpm, the hum is always 62, 63, in that region. I did try to
> count
> pulse and hum beat at the same time but got confused as to which was
> which. Then I concentrated on my pulse and the hum and it kind of is
> in
> sync then obviously loses sync like a windshield wiper keeping beat to
> a
> song, but not quite exactly and then it is out of sync. That convinced
> me that I was not hearing my own body noise.
> 
> I don't think that your theory of big chunks of ice hitting the
> atmosphere is the cause for the Taos Hum. Mainly because I don't
> believe
> that it is an acoustic phenomenon. It has never been detected using
> acoustic transducers.
> 
> BTW, the low frequency transducer we used during the UNM search was
> optimized for 8 HZ. It was designed and built by the UNM Mechanical
> Engineering Department and is fondly known as the Big Ear. We were
> able
> to use filters and spectrum analysis and had access to equipment that
> enabled us to take time samples of the noise floor and then see if
> there
> was anything other than random noise. There was not. Believe me, we
> tried everything we could to extract some kind of an acoustic signal
> from the background noise. These tests were done in an absolutely
> quiet
> environment. In the middle of the night in rural Northern New Mexico
> it
> is very quiet. Yes, there is the occasional motor vehicle traffic
> which
> our big ear could pick up long before our ears. Then we could watch
> the
> doppler move in frequency on the spectrum analyzer until we could hear
> it. Aircraft produced the same effect. After they had passed however,
> and their signature disappeared from the spectrum analyzer, all there
> was was background noise, and not very much of that at all. The Big
> Ear
> was in a closed room at least 50 feet away from the equipment truck.
> The
> Big Ear was so sensitive that we could tap gently on the side of the
> truck and see the results of the gentle tap on the spectrum analyzer
> being picked up by the Big Ear, inside of a closed bedroom in the
> guest
> house where our tests were being conducted. Horace and I amused
> ourselves for quite awhile seeing how gently we could tap and not get
> a
> result on the test equipment. Let me tell you that even the gentlest
> of
> taps resulted in some deviation of the test equipment. I am convinced
> that the set up we used would've picked up an acoustic signature from
> DC
> on out to the limits of human hearing if one had existed. We did not
> pick up any acoustic signature that could be attributed to the hum.
> 
> How about a discussion of slow frequency hopped transmissions? That
> described by the paper published by JPL as "Optimum Detection of Slow
> Frequency Hopped Signals." I will have to retrieve the publishing date
> and such from my storage unit which I will be visiting during the next
> few days. My understanding is that slow frequency hopping is the
> transmission of multiple data bits per frequency hop as opposed to
> multiple frequency hops per data bit. I believe that this is part of
> the
> technology used in ELF submarine communications systems.
> 
> Has anyone seen the movie "Crimson Tide"? The one about a US Missile
> Sub
> losing communications with headquarters after it had been ordered to
> shoot. I logged on to the Military Forum on Compuserve shortly after
> the
> movies release and eavesdropped on some chat among sub sailors who
> verified that the premise of the movie was unlikely. To paraphrase
> what
> one of them said "We are NEVER out of communications." I read that as
> even when a sub is 1000 ft, 2000 ft deep, it is never out of
> communications. Think about the technology required to communicate
> with
> a patrolling SSBN 24 hours a day, 365 days a year without exposing
> that
> submarine to the danger of detection. Gone are the days when a sub
> received a frequency hopped coded message of three or four letters
> instructing it to rise near the surface to deploy as long wire
> floating
> antenna or raise it's radio mast. Near the surface a submarine is in
> grave danger of detection by OPFOR ASW. Any datum point an OPFOR can
> determine can lead to the compromise of the mission. Welcome to the
> days
> when a sub can remain deep, silent and virtually undetectable and
> still
> remain in communications full time. Remember 400 baud modems? Where
> are
> we now. 33.6K and beyond on copper standard phone lines. Think of it
> like this. The Navy still wants us to believe that it is still using
> 400
> baud technologie. NOT!
> 
> I am not saying that this is unnecessary technology. I believe we need
> to give our submarine service every advantage possible to fulfill
> their
> mission.
> 
> I seriously doubt that on our own we will ever be able to do the R&D
> necessary to come up with a Taos Hum detector.
> 
> What we need to do is to convince the military, government authorities
> that there is an unforeseen adverse effect caused by this technology
> and
> that it needs to be looked at to see why and how a human being can
> sense
> the "static" caused by it. I have been trying for years to no avail. I
> have taken some time off, and now I am devoting a small amount of time
> to once again try.
> 
> Several of you have asked me if I have built certain circuits or tried
> certain experiments. The answer is No. I don't have access to an R & D
> facility. I hardly have room for my CD collection where I am living.
> Also, I am not interested in spending any time developing circuitry.
> Quite frankly, I would rather be chasing a stupid white round ball
> around 18 holes while whistling dixie. (currently 14 handicap.) :)
> 
> However, I would consider running tests in the Taos area using
> circuits
> supplied to me by others.
> 
> Stand by and be patient with me on the phone numbers, document numbers
> etc. that I have to retrieve from storage. It will take me a few days.
> 
> Sara


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I entirely support your positions and recommendations to Mr Muchley.
I thank you for such fair and measured responses. However, I would
like to make one small comment: my position is that postings
that present only strongly-held, repeatedly-presented, lengthy, or
elaborate conclusions with no supporting evidence as rationale are
out of order regardless of topic.

Such speculations are a waste of my time and my resources and do not
lead to anything more than irritation because of the theft of my time
and my resources by the perpetrators.

If necessary, I will elaborate on and repeatedly present this strongly
held personal value at length. <g>

William Beaty wrote:
> 
> Crude definitions:
> 
>    "ON TOPIC DISCUSSION" -  if someone complains about on-topic
>     discussions, then they are probably subscribed to the wrong list.
> 
>    "OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION" - if someone complains about off-topic
>     discussions, then those who are participating in the discussion
>     should cease immediately and possibly apologize to other users.
> 
> On taoshum-L, what exactly is "off topic?"
> 
> It is my understanding that the "Hum" is an undirected, nearly
> continuous
> sort of (electronic?) noise pollution with unknown cause.  On the
> other
> hand, G. D. Mutch is possibly the target of intelligently-directed
> mind
> control devices aimed at him personally.
> 
> In my opinion, mind-control which makes a humming noise is a
> fundamentally
> different topic than the "Taos Hum."  People who suffer from the "Taos
> Hum" are not the victims of intentional mind control directed at them
> personally and intentionally altered in intensity day-by-day to punish
> their specific actions.  And conversely, the hum which Mr. Mutch hears
> acts very differently than the signal heard by "hummers."
> 
> This point is important, since this list was intended for the
> discussion
> of the "Taos Hum," and off-topic discussions must be minimized.  If
> the
> "Taos Hum" is not a mind-control weapon purposely directed only at
> specific individuals then discussions of these mind-control issues are
> off-topic, and they should be pursued ONLY IF OTHER LIST SUBSCRIBERS
> HAVE
> NO OBJECTIONS.
> 
> These subjects are off-topic for taoshum-L:
> 
>   Mind control directed at specific individuals
> 
>   Evil secret organizations, government conspiracies
> 
> If subscribers have good reasons for why this is wrong, please tell me
> now.  If a fair number of people object, we can discuss it.
> 
> These two subjects have only a small connection with the Taos Hum.
> Discussion of conspiracies, while important, is far more about
> politics
> and beliefs than about Taos hum, and it is proving to be too
> disruptive to
> this group.  I see value in discussion of origins of the Hum in "mind
> control" technology, so some aspects of the subject are applicable to
> the
> Hum.  But Taos Hum is obviously not the classic "mind control", where
> secret organizations are persecuting selected individuals for definite
> purposes.
> 
> Anyone who wishes to start the above off-topic discussions can take
> the
> usual path for such things:  ask taoshum-L users for permission to
> start a
> discussion.  Or, announce the discussion and then move to private
> mail.
> Or announce a Newsgroup location for the discussion.  You can even
> start
> your own listserver at eskimo.com if you wish, running it remotely via
> telnet.  See eskimo.com's webpage, or contact me for further info.
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On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Wes Thomas wrote:

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  >>Most of the infrasound-producing meteors occurred during daylight hours 
  >>and were not seen by witnesses, but the large number of collisions taking 
  >>place that night helps explain why two bright ones with such similar 
  >>trajectories would be seen so closely spaced in time. Although the 
  >>scientists eliminated their hypothesis of a single object bouncing off the 
  >>atmosphere and re-entering it later, they are still very interested in the 
  >>events of one year ago because it means the Earth collided with a cluster 
  >>of objects, perhaps pieces of a broken asteroid. 
  >>............................................................................

This is interesting because the earths upper atmosphere is constantly being 
bombarded with small snowball meteors (or small comets)

Satellite data shows these hits in the infrared. But the data has commonly been 
interpreted as some kind of error or electronic noise. 

Most scientists dont like the implications of this bombardment - it upsets a 
number of their theories. It is a common attitude among scientists that theories
should be protected. If there is a choice between facing reality and upholding 
theories, many scientists prefer the latter.
This means that this particular theory (that the earth is constantly bombarded 
with snowballs) has not been accepted, in spite of good evidence. The scientist 
who first interpreted the infrared data in this way became an outcast...

These snowballs should create infrasound, but how much?


Regards, Anders

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>BTW, the low frequency transducer we used during the UNM search 
>was optimized for 8 HZ. 

This seems unlikely. Are you sure you remember correctly?

> Yes, there is the occasional motor vehicle traffic which our big 
>ear could pick up long before our ears. Then we could watch the 
>doppler move in frequency on the spectrum analyzer until we could 
>hear it. Aircraft produced the same effect. After they had 
>passed however, and their signature disappeared from the 
>spectrum analyzer, all there was was background noise, and not 
>very much of that at all. The Big Ear was in a closed room at least 
>50 feet away from the equipment truck. The Big Ear was so 
>sensitive that we could tap gently on the side of the truck and see 
>the results of the gentle tap on the spectrum analyzer being picked 
>up by the Big Ear, inside of a closed bedroom in the guest house 
>where our tests were being conducted. Horace and I amused ourselves 
>for quite awhile seeing how gently we could tap and not get a result 
>on the test equipment. Let me tell you that even the gentlest of 
>taps resulted in some deviation of the test equipment. 

This ought to be good evidence that this particular hum is not acoustic.


> The Navy still wants us to believe that it is still using 400 
>baud technologie. NOT!

They do seem to have a new system, that is true..
I believe I may have some papers on it somewhere..
Perhaps time to brush up on 'Tesla technology'...

>However, I would consider running tests in the Taos area using 
>circuits supplied to me by others.

Fair enough..

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>As for operation in the ocean, this not done to my knowledge 
>using Pelton controls. The operational complexities of 
>manipulating the hydrolic lines that would go to a transducer on 
>the sea bed evidently are too much for this to be practical -- it 
>is said. But I vaguely remember that there were at one time 
>"clam shell" transducers for sea-floor vibrators were tried out. 
>I believe that only explosives are used now in sea-bed 
>seismic exploration.

The US Navy has a sort of gigantic piezoelectric transducers. (Looking like clam
shells if I recall correctly) They can deliver extreme and almost unbelievable 
amounts of acoustic energy. Using a phase array technique beams can be sent out.
Useful for detecting subs at very long ranges.

Also useful for sending messages to subs (but not from subs...)

Regards, Anders
 


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>described by the paper published by JPL as "Optimum Detection of Slow
>Frequency Hopped Signals." 

Sara: FYI, http://jpltrs.jpl.nasa.gov/1992/92_1959.htm has an abstract of
this report (but no details). I'd love to see the full report. Are you
saying they've
overcome the Nyquist sampling rate limit (which would normally
imply a 30 baud max at ~ 60 Hz)? Nice trick.

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>I thought about a hammock arrangement, (not between trees), in 
>an Anti-vibration tank as you mentioned above. 

Better than a hammoc is an elastic rope, such as a dynamic mountainering 
rope or better ar bungy-jump rope.
 
>Are any of the list-users out there SCUBA-DIVERS?

Apparently not. Apart from Mutchg nobody has bothered to report from 
bathtubs or swimmingpools or diving trips. 

Any hum reports from diving or bungy jumping?

Regards, Anders


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> Are you saying they've overcome the Nyquist sampling 
>rate limit (which would normally imply a 30 baud max at 
>~ 60 Hz)? Nice trick.

Most modems these days use phase shift modulation or a 
combination of phase shift modulation and amplitude modulation 
and achieve baudrates  such as 14400, though the basic frequency 
is around 1000 Hz...

I think you need a much higher sampling rate than 1000 Hz to 
determine the phase of the signal with sufficient accuracy.
Therefore this isnt a violation of Nyquist's theoreme. (I forgot 
the precise wording of this)

Regards, Anders



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>How about a discussion of slow frequency hopped transmissions? 
>That described by the paper published by JPL as "Optimum Detection 
>of Slow Frequency Hopped Signals." 

Frequency hopping is a stealth technique. It is difficult to do 
direction finding on a frequency-hopping transmitter.

The argument for frequency-hopping being of interest to Taos Hum should 
be that a frequency hopping signal may look like noise on a spectrum 
analyzer. And conceivably, some humans might be able to pick a 
frequency-hopping signal out of noise and react to it, but not to the 
noise background.

The frequency hopping signal might be an acoustic signal, or it might be 
an electromagnetic signal. If the signal was HF-electromagnetic, Sara 
would not have sensed it inside a shielded box. So a HF-electromagnetic 
signal can be ruled out. If the signal was VLF electromagnetic, it would 
have penetrated the steel box, and Sarah would have sensed it inside the 
box, as she did. So we cannot rule out a VLF electromagnetic signal from 
this observation.

If Sara is sensitive to VLF electromagnetics, it seems likely that she 
responds only to a narrow frequency band around 11 Hz. As this is next 
to impossible to shield, except with active cancellation, we could only 
test this with an active device producing VLF around 11 Hz. Sara have 
tried the Teslar wrist-watch, which contains a 10 Hz VLF oscillator, and 
an antenna coil. Sara sensed a weak effect from the watch, but nothing 
as massive as her hum. The Teslar watch is supposed to modulate the 10 
Hz signal, so the frequency doesnt remain constant. I would expect that 
if Sara was sensitive to VLF electromagnetics, she would react strongly 
to the Teslar watch. Unless Sara reacted strongly to a specific 
frequency hopping modulation used to hide a VLF signal in the background 
noise. This doesnt seem very likely to me..

Could Sara be sensitive to a weak 11 Hz infrasound signal? Around here 
there is always a weak infra sound background, which on a scope looks 
like noise, which on a spectrum analyzer has some broad peaks. Even 
inside the best acoustically shielded room I have available, you can 
pick up the infrasound background noise. (It can be difficult to 
differentiate between electric noise generated in the amplifiers, and 
real acoustic noise.) To shield against it you would need a fibreglass 
reinforced tank, preferably shaped like a ball. 

As infrasound can travel around the globe there must also be a 
background of infrasound noise in Taos. I dont buy that there is no 
infrasound in Taos. The big ear in Taos could pick up distant cars, 
distant airplanes, and the tapping on a van. Cars mainly emit higher 
frequencies. A tap on a van emits 'all frequencies' as Carlos told us.
So these observations are not really proofs that the big ear was 
sensitive to infrasound. Distant airplanes is somewhat different, they 
do emit much infrasound. But they also emit higher frequencies. That 
they can be sensed with the equipment is no proof that it is sensitive 
to infrasound.

We know that Sara is sensitive to low frequency acoustic signals. It is 
likely that she can pick up infrasound that the visiting scientists 
could not believe could be heard. This is the problem around here: the 
dominating theories about the human hearing threshold says that humans 
can not hear a 11 Hz sinus tone unless it is at an extremely high sound 
pressure. Yet the hummers that I have been working with seem to be 
sensitive to infrasound signals that are far below the 'hearing 
threshold'. Scientists are fond of theories, so they tend to say the 
hummers: 'According to theory you cannot hear this infrasound noise'.
Experiments with sinus infrasound may not be very relevant. The common 
infrasound noise is not a sinus tone, it more looks like a noise signal, 
or a modulated signal, perhaps a frequency hopping signal (It is 
difficult to see the difference). Suppose Sara was extremely sensitive 
to a frequency hopping infra sound signal? That might be difficult to 
see with the big ear...

Regards, 

Anders
  



 


at a certain sound pressure level.







How about 11 Hz infrasound?



>My understanding is that slow frequency hopping is the transmission 
>of multiple data bits per frequency hop as opposed to 
>multiple frequency hops per data bit. 

>I believe that this is part of the technology used in ELF 
>submarine communications systems.

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Could we have some input about the Schumann frequency?  I have often come
across references to it but have never really gained a definite answer to
what it is, what causes it, how detectable it is, and  is it possible to
detect it in practice? 
I believe it to be a field (?) in the region of 7.8 Hz but have seen it
mentioned that it is increasing in frequency.
If it is widespread is it possible that this could be a phenomenon to be
considered in relation to the Hum?

Regards,

Ronald Hill.
.

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Hi folks on the Hum list,

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Ron Hill <ronhill@mail.enterprise.net> wrote:

>Could we have some input about the Schumann frequency?  I have often come
>across references to it but have never really gained a definite answer to
>what it is, what causes it, how detectable it is, and  is it possible to
>detect it in practice? 
>I believe it to be a field (?) in the region of 7.8 Hz but have seen it
>mentioned that it is increasing in frequency.
>If it is widespread is it possible that this could be a phenomenon to be
>considered in relation to the Hum?
>
>Regards,
>
>Ronald Hill.

I second this! I too, would very much like to hear more on this subject.

Best regards,

Oliver

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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, I3683 wrote:
  >>>I thought about a hammock arrangement, (not between trees), in 
  >>>an Anti-vibration tank as you mentioned above. 
  >>
  >>Better than a hammoc is an elastic rope, such as a dynamic mountainering 
  >>rope or better ar bungy-jump rope.
  >> 
  >>>Are any of the list-users out there SCUBA-DIVERS?
  >>
  >>Apparently not. Apart from Mutchg nobody has bothered to report from 
  >>bathtubs or swimmingpools or diving trips. 
  >>
  >>Any hum reports from diving or bungy jumping?
  >>
  >>Regards, Anders
  >>
  >>
	
If my line of aether thinking is right, the hum should increase in a pool
or tub.. in which case we'd need a vaccuum pod?? Isolation booth the
thicker (the vaccuum area) the better..
  I'm only a level 1 or 2 hearer, but a 7 or 8 level would surely be near
a pool one day and jump in (if only for attempted relief).. Should be easy
to assertain.  Hope I'm wrong about this reverse aether thinking... as
there are a lot more pools,oceans,hot-tubs etc.. then vacu-pods :)

Will personally try the tub tonight: Dive & Report - I missed my sunday
bath anyway :)

-=se=-


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I3683 wrote:
> >As for operation in the ocean, this not done to my knowledge
> >using Pelton controls. The operational complexities of
> >manipulating the hydrolic lines that would go to a transducer on
> >the sea bed evidently are too much for this to be practical -- it
> >is said. But I vaguely remember that there were at one time
> >"clam shell" transducers for sea-floor vibrators were tried out.
> >I believe that only explosives are used now in sea-bed
> >seismic exploration.
> 
> The US Navy has a sort of gigantic piezoelectric transducers. (Looking
> like clam
> shells if I recall correctly) They can deliver extreme and almost
> unbelievable
> amounts of acoustic energy.

Yes, that is what I was thinking of. They do, but in my mind clamshell
transducers
are in effect identical in theory to the explosive charge: they produce
a "delta
function" of pressure impulse. This produces, in the Fourier analysis, a
broad
spectrum of all frequencies, having random phase relationships. Just
exactly the
opposite of a phase-controlled source of energy. Sorry I misstated,
skipped a beat
in my explanation, not that it is perhaps an important point. The
conclusion
restated: I am not aware of a frequency- or phase-controlled transducer
used in
any underwater application. This is what would be relevant to "hum"
phenomena,
not, I think, impulse signals.

Sonar pings for detecting location are in some respects impulsive like
the
explosives, because they consist of a short burst of energy. They differ
in that
this burst can be in a narrow range of frequencies. There is some
similarity to
the Pelton frequency sweep in that during this brief burst the sonar
pulse can
sweep up or down in frequency. This is done (both seismic and sonar)
because the
transmitting medium (earth and water) has what is called dispersion;
that is,
vibrations of different frequencies are transmitted at slightly
different speeds.
In the optical case, the dispersion of glass, for differing colors, was
for a
few years a fundamental limitation on the rate at which pulses of light
could be
transmitted through the fiber optic cable. Short pulses of light arrived
not so
sharp, but spread out in time, sorted according to color, thereby piling
up and
overlapping as faster repetition rates were tested. The clam shell
transducers
"could" produce pings, I suppose, but that is not as I envision they
operate;
they are impulse generators. I  could stand corrected.

> Using a phase array technique beams can be
> sent out.
> Useful for detecting subs at very long ranges.

Basically, you are on the right track, but a better term might be "time-
corrolated", rather than "phase array". The distinction is that with
explosive
impulses, or pings, analysis is done in the time domain, rather than in
the
frequency domain used with continuous-tone frequency sweeping
techniques.
Now that I think on it, all of the experiments on human and animal
hearing
that I recollect have been analyzed in the frequency domain (frequency
and
phase analysis). Many experiments have been done on gerbils and the
like,
investigating the exact nature of response as a function of the phase
difference
in signals presented to both ears. Usually the motivation of the
experiment is
to investigate mechanisms of locating the direction of signals
(rustling, prey
and predator, that sort of thing). What these reports refer to as
"phase-
dependent" sensitivity can alternately be viewed as "sensitivity to time
rate
of change of time-delay".

One exception, to the rule that experimenters deal only in the frequency
domain
of evaluation of hearing, is for the evaluation of the hearing of
new-born babies:
clicks at a repetition rate of about 10 per second are used as stimulus
and the
EEG (brain electrical response) is averaged over seconds (the signal to
noise
ratio is about 1 to 200). I mention this averaging technique because it
may be very
relevant to long-range signaling: even though the signal energy as
detected at
the great distance is tiny, by summing up over a long-enough sample
time, the
signal can be brought out of the noise. The number of bits per minute
would be
small, but could be made as reliable as needed with Hamming error
detection and
correction codes. This averaging could be done, I think, with either
clicks
(averaging the time of arrival of signals) or frequency sweeps
(self-corrolation
analysis).

In the past, the timing could not be sufficiently accurate for the
impulse
technique to be practical, but in the last fifteen years or so the
development
of laser clocks has made it practical, I would suppose. But impulsive
signals
are not likely related to the hum; only, I would think, the quasi-static
frequency-based signaling. The so-called "nanosecond" hesitation
mentioned
in an earlier post could be viewed as a phase shift in the signal or as
the
moment of a frequency shift. I would speculate that either (1) the
timing interval between hesitations, or (2) the quantitative details of
the
shifting (perhaps to slightly different frequencies), would be the
carrier of
information.

> Also useful for sending messages to subs (but not from subs...)
> 
> Regards, Anders

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I3683 wrote:
> 
>   >>Most of the infrasound-producing meteors occurred during daylight
> hours
>   >>and (snip..)
> >>............................................................................
> This is interesting because the earths upper atmosphere is constantly
> being
> bombarded with small snowball meteors (or small comets)
>  (snip..)
> Most scientists dont like the implications of this bombardment - it
> upsets a
> number of their theories. It is a common attitude among scientists
> that theories
> should be protected. If there is a choice between facing reality and
> upholding
> theories, many scientists prefer the latter.

Based on my personal experiences and education, I take execption to
such an unqualified evaluation. In my experiments, the point was always
to challange a theory, not to protect it. When you find defensive
behaviour
it is, I believe, among the "policitcal" scientists, administrators.
Prime example is Gallo defending his "discoveries" about HIV. Practicing
scientists prefer objective reality, and test for it. To do otherwise is
to that extent mislabeling the activity as "science" and the people
involved
as "scientists". And this engineers, to be successful must deal in
reality,
tested reality. Bridges collapse when theories are stretched beyond the
tested limits of the theory.

> This means that this particular theory (that the earth is constantly
> bombarded
> with snowballs) has not been accepted, in spite of good evidence. The
> scientist
> who first interpreted the infrared data in this way became an
> outcast...

I doubt it very much. People who make well founded, rational statements
based
on evidence are cherished in science, not outcast. The outcasting comes
when
a political goal is the real adgenda, or when the evidence is not
formulated
systematically enough to furnish a compelling, persuasive, rationale,
even
though the conclusion drawn may indeed be later shown to be correct.
Simply
being vigorous in stating a conclusion is not sufficient, *hopefully*,
in
science, not as in daily life and personal relationships.

> These snowballs should create infrasound, but how much?
> 
> Regards, Anders

I am interested: if they "should", what would be the frequencies and
intensities involved? (I.e., what is the rationale for the conclusion?)
I would not rule them out, but we would need to know more about the
frequencies in order to see if they could be a cause of the hum. The
geological earth does ring, allright, but the frequencies are quite
quite
low. (I can't quote, unfortunately, but the wave lengths are measured
in miles, as I recall.) The ringing of the atmosphere would of course
be typified at higher frequencies than geological, and it would be
useful to know what could be the frequencies induced by snowball
impulses.
I would expect a characteristic wavelength of at least the equivalent
"height" of the atmosphere, perhaps 100,000 feet or half that. Take the
speed of sound and divide by 50,000 feet and you would have some
approximation
for speculation. (This gives an order of magnitude of around 0.06 Hz
as an upper limit of frequency. Too low?)

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The last part of my immediately preceding posting was omitted, perhaps
because of length. I append it now, slightly edited.

Dan W. Scott wrote:
> I3683 wrote:
> >
> >   >>Most of the infrasound-producing meteors occurred during
> daylight
> > hours
> >   >>and (snip..)
> 
> > These snowballs should create infrasound, but how much?
> >
> > Regards, Anders

>  (OMITTED PART WAS AS FOLLOWS...)
> I am interested: if they "should", what would be the frequencies and
> intensities involved? (I.e., what is the rationale for the
> conclusion?)
>
> I would not rule them out, but we would need to know more about the
> frequencies in order to see if they could be a cause of the hum. The
> geological earth does ring, all right, but the frequencies are quite,
> quite low. (I can't quote, unfortunately, but the wave lengths are
> measured in miles, as I recall.) The ringing of the atmosphere on the
> other hand would be typified at higher frequencies than geological,
> and it would be useful to know what could be the frequencies induced by
> snowball impulses. I would expect a characteristic wavelength of at
> least the equivalent "height" of the atmosphere, perhaps 100,000
> feet or half that. Take the speed of sound and divide by 50,000 feet
> and you would have some approximation for speculation as to the highest
> frequencies. This gives an order of magnitude of around 0.06 Hz
> as an upper limit of frequency. Wouldn't this be too low, as a
> maximum frequency, for the hum?

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Ron Hill wrote:
> 
> Could we have some input about the Schumann frequency?  I have often come
> across references to it but have never really gained a definite answer to
> what it is, what causes it, how detectable it is, and  is it possible to
> detect it in practice?
> I believe it to be a field (?) in the region of 7.8 Hz but have seen it
> mentioned that it is increasing in frequency.
> If it is widespread is it possible that this could be a phenomenon to be
> considered in relation to the Hum?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ronald Hill.
> .

Ronald:

You may find the following URL of value:

	http://sprite.gi.alaska.edu/schumann.htm

Regards,
Michael J. Roseberry

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>Could we have some input about the Schumann frequency?  I have often 
>come across references to it but have never really gained a 
>definite answer to what it is, what causes it, how detectable it is, 
>and  is it possible to detect it in practice?

I you make a spectrogram of VLF electromagnetics in the atmosphere, you get a 
broad peak around 10 Hz.

I havent made such a spectrogram myself. If you use a coil as sensor, you may 
not get this peak because the coil favours higher frequencies. It doesnt have a 
flat frequency response. So you could use a fluxgate magnetometer or similar.

I dont have an explanation for the cause.

I think some experiments have shown that humans are weakly affected by a 10 Hz 
electromagnetic field. I subjected a hummer to an artificial 10 Hz field, with 
no effect...

Anders

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> frequencies. This gives an order of magnitude of around 0.06 Hz
> as an upper limit of frequency. Wouldn't this be too low, as a 
> maximum frequency, for the hum?

The 'pummelling' of snowballs might give rise to higher 
frequencies than that, much like raindrops on a roof.

Regards, Anders

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>I doubt it very much. People who make well founded, rational 
>statements based on evidence are cherished in science, not outcast. 
>The outcasting comes when a political goal is the real adgenda, 
>or when the evidence is not formulated systematically enough 
>to furnish a compelling, persuasive, rationale, even
>though the conclusion drawn may indeed be later shown to be 
>correct. Simply being vigorous in stating a conclusion is 
>not sufficient, *hopefully*, in science, not as in daily life and 
>personal relationships.

My experience is different.
Look for example at cold fusion science, and you will find that Fleischman and 
others have produced compelling evidence for the reality of cold fusion.
A large number of scientific writers have attacked the researchers verbally and
they dont seem to be cherished. The scientific writers may be political 
scientists more than practical scientists, however. But they sure have an awful 
effect on public opinion. 
You could well consider Fleischman an outcast.


>I am interested: if they "should", what would be the frequencies 
>and intensities involved?

Any large explosion produces infrasound, which can be used to locate 
the explosion. It has been suggested to have a global infrasound 
monitoring system for locating nuclear tests. I believe frequencies 
below 5 Hz are used.

Regards, Anders

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Some tentative speculations on the electromagnetic origins of the Taos hum
follow.

First a summary of recent reports on the Taos Hum list <taoshum-l@eskimo.com>:

"Sara T. Allen" <sallen@laplaza.org> reported an informal study by
a team from U. of New Mexico along with technical members from Sandia
National Lab, Phillips Air Force Lab, and Los Alamos National Lab. She was
able to perceive beat frequencies at about 33 HZ, 44 HZ, 67 HZ and 73 HZ,
with no simultaneous audio signal pickup. She also reported that no
attenuation of the subjective effects within a Faraday cage were noted in
tests at Sandia labs. 

I speculated that these might be U.S. ELF submarine communications
frequencies. Anders <i3683@csc.dk> noted that these frequencies (at least
the first three) are
approximate harmonics of 11 Hz. 

Steve Ekwall <ekwall2@diac.com> described the hum as "diesel like in sound,
BUT,
being a bit [of] a mechanic myself.. WASN'T QUITE TIMED RIGHT!... Like huff
and puffing (but pausing occassional inbetween?).. Constant BUT NOT
STABLE! On-Going (Loudest never Louder... Softest never Softer) then there
is always the nanosecond(?) slip of time to the next idle stroke."

"Sara T. Allen" <sallen@laplaza.org> added: "At first, when I heard the
irregular "beat" of the hum, I thought perhaps that I was actually hearing
my own pulse and movement of blood through my body and head. I counted the
hum pulses and counted my pulse, close but not quite in synch. Where my own
pulse at rest is normally 59, or 60 bpm, the hum is always 62, 63, in that
region. I did try to count
pulse and hum beat at the same time but got confused as to which was
which. Then I concentrated on my pulse and the hum and it kind of is in
sync then obviously loses sync like a windshield wiper keeping beat to a
song, but not quite exactly and then it is out of sync. That convinced
me that I was not hearing my own body noise."

Based on these subjective reports (and others), can we agree that the hum
waveform appears to be a pulse form rather than sinusoidal and that the
pulses appear to have a low-frequency phase, frequency or amplitude
modulation superimposed?
(Note to Sara: can you test to match this modulation quantitatively too?)

One key question: is the central nervous system an efficient transducer of
RF signals? Frey's classic paper [7] reporting on research on perception of
UHF and microwave signals amplitude-modulated by pulsed audio concluded
that "using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic
energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans. The
effect was induced several hundred feet from the antenna the instant the
transmitter was turned on, and is a function of carrier frequency and
modulation. 

"... average power density can be at rf as low as 400 _u_w/cm2" with an
ambient noise environment of 80 db." In an anechoic room, "rf sound could
theoretically be induced by a peak power density of 3 _u_w/cm2 measured in
free space. Since only 10% of this energy is likely to penetrate the skull,
the human auditory system and a table radio may be one order of magnitude
apart in sensitivity to rf energy." Frey cited some evidence that the
sensitive area for detecting rf sounds is a region over the temporal lobe
of the brain.

Ron Hill <ronhill@mail.enterprise.net> asked for information about 
Schumann resonance and its relevance to the hum. Some basics: the two
predominant geomagnetic frequencies are Schumann resonance
(Earth-ionosphere cavity), which is 7.8 Hz fundamental, and the resonance
of the Earth itself (10 Hz fundamental). You can get a feel for the
relative strength of these signals (and other ELF signals) at
<http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/eicr.html>. Note
that the 60 Hz signal is now greater than the earth's natural frequency.

As stated by leading Schumann resonance authority Dr. Martin Fullekrug 
<http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/Welcome.html>, Stanford U and
Visiting scholar at the Institut fur Meteorologie und Geophysik, [1]
"These [Schumann] resonances result from the interference of propagating
waves within the spherical shell bounded by the conducting Earth and the
ionosphere, denoted Earth-ionosphere cavity....The Earth-ionosphere cavity
resonances are mainly excited by atmospheric sources , i.e. tropospheric
lightning activity in continental thunderstorms ocurring in the tropical
belt around the world." 

The SR is measured every 15 minutes at UC Berkeley Seismographic Station
electromagnetic field measurements <ftp://quake.geo.berkeley.edu/pub/em/>.
(As for the increased SR myth, UC Berkeley Seismographic Station
electromagnetic field measurements show that SR is still in the range of
roughly 7.5 to 8.1 Hz (as you can see from the data, the frequency varies
throughout the day, with an average around 7.8 Hz). The original source of
the misinformation on alleged increased SR appears to be an undocumented
speculation in Gregg Braden's Approaching the Zero Point book, propagated
by Drunvalo Melchezedek via Val Valerian in Leading Edge,
http://www.cco.net/~trufax/editor/ed1.html.) 

Michael Persinger speculates [2] that these basic geofields may have
influenced all life forms in the evolution of their basic neural
functioning. For example, 10 Hz is the universal tremor reflex in all life
forms (you can confirm that by measuring your finger's micromotion) because
the strong magnetic field somehow affected molecules in an early stage in
the development of life and evolved as magnetic drivers for universal
circadian rhythms.

Persinger has also stated that [3] "The possibility that masses of
susceptible people could be influenced during critical conditions by
extremely small variations (less
than 1%) of the steady-state amplitude (50,000 nT) of the earth's
magnetic field such as during geomagnetic storms (50 to 500 nT) [6]. Recent
experimental evidence which has shown a threshold in geomagnetic
activity of about 20 nT to 30 nT for the report of vestibular
experiences in human beings and the facilitation of limbic
seizures in rodents is consistent with this hypothesis." [2]

"Sandyk [4] has discerned significant changes in vulnerable subjects
such as patients who were diagnosed with neurological disorders
following exposure of short durations to magnetic fields whose
strengths are within the pT to nT range but whose spatial
applications are multifocal (a fasces-type structure) and
designed to introduce heterogeneous patterns within a very
localized brain space. The effective components of the field
(which are assumed to be discrete temporal patterns due to the
modulation of the frequency and intensity of the electromagnetic
fields) are not always obvious; however, the power levels for
these amplitudes are similar to those associated with the signals
(generated globally by radio and communication systems) within
which most human beings are exposed constantly." 

The key variable here is to what extent these signals are bioactive,
Persinger states [3]: "If the temporal structure of the applied
electromagnetic field contained detailed and biorelevant information
(Richards, Persinger, & Koren, 1993), then the intensity of the field
required to elicit a response could be
several orders of magnitude below the values which have been
previously found to elicit changes. For example, Sandyk (1992)
and Jacobson (1994) have found that complex magnetic fields with
variable interstimulus pulse durations could evoke unprecedented
changes in melatonin levels even with intensities within the nanoT range."

In other words, small variations in a magnetic field ("the nanosecond(?) 
slip of time to the next idle stroke..."?) at the right bioactive frequencies
and phases might have disproportionately large effects on neural activities
(such as hearing).

Persinger goes even further out with this line of thought [3]: "The most 
parsimonious process by which all human brains could
be affected would require (1) the immersion of all the
approximately 6 billion brains of the human species within the
same medium or (2) a coercive interaction because there was
facilitation of a very narrow-band window of vulnerability within
each brain. For the first option, the steady-state or "permanent"
component of the earth's magnetic field meets the criterion. The
possibility that masses of susceptible people could be influenced
during critical conditions by extremely small variations (less
than 1%) of the steady-state amplitude (50,000 nT) of the earth's
magnetic field such as during geomagnetic storms (50 to 500 nT)
has been discussed elsewhere (Persinger, 1983). Recent
experimental evidence which has shown a threshold in geomagnetic
activity of about 20 nT to 30 nT for the report of vestibular
experiences in human beings and the facilitation of limbic
seizures in rodents is consistent with this hypothesis.

"The potential for the creation of an aggregate process with
gestalt-like properties which reflect the average
characteristics of the brains that are maintained with this
field and that generate the aggregate has also been developed
(Persinger & Lafreniere, 1977) and has been labelled the
"geopsyche." This phenomenon would be analogous to the vectorial
characteristics of an electromagnetic field which is induced by
current moving through billions of elements such as wires
contained within a relative small volume compared to the source.
Such gestalts, like fields in general, also affect the elements
which contribute to the matrix (Freeman, 1990).

"The second option would require access to a very narrow limit
of physical properties within which all brains are maintained to
generate consciousness and the experience of self-awareness.
This factor would be primarily loaded by the variable of brain
temperature. Although the relationship between absolute
temperature and wavelength is generally clear [an example which
can be described by Wien's law and is well documented in
astrophysics (Wyatt, 1965)], the implications for access to
brain activity have not been explored. The fragile
neurocognitive processes that maintain consciousness and the
sense of self normally exist between 308[degrees]K and
312[degrees]K (35[degrees]C and 39[degrees]C). The fundamental
wavelength associated with this emission is about 10 micrometers
which is well within the long infrared wavelength.

"However, the ratio of this normal range divided by the
absolute temperature for normal brain activity which maintains
neurocognitive processes is only about 0.013
(4[degrees]K/312[degrees]K) or 1.3%. If there were a subharmonic
pattern in naturally occurring or technically generated magnetic
fields which also reflected this ratio, then all brains which
were operative within this temperature range could be affected
by the harmonic. For example, if 11.3 Hz were one of these
subharmonic electromagnetic frequencies, variations of only 1.3% 
of this mean, i.e., 11.3 Hz +/- [plus or minus] 0.1 Hz, would
hypothetically be sufficient to affect the operations of all
normal brains. If this "major carrier frequency" contained
biorelevant information by being modulated in a meaningful way,
then the effective intensities could well be within the natural
range for background radiation (microwatts/cm2) and could be
hidden as chaotic components within the electromagnetic noise
associated with power generation and use."

Hmmm, that 11 Hz number again...

Ehud Ahissar has recently reported on experiments with 8 and 10 Hz
behaviors in rats and the relation to thalamocortical loops implementing
phase-locked loops:
[5]: "The temporally encoded information obtained by vibrissal touch could
be decoded "passively," involving only input-driven elements, or
"actively," utilizing intrinsically driven oscillators. A previous study
suggested that the trigeminal somatosensory system of rats does not obey
the bottom-up order of activation predicted by passive decoding. Thus, we
have tested whether this system obeys the predictions of active decoding.
We have studied cortical single units in the somatosensory cortices of
anesthetized rats and guinea pigs and found that about a quarter of them
exhibit clear spontaneous oscillations, many of them around whisking
frequencies (10 Hz). The frequencies of these oscillations could be
controlled locally by glutamate. These oscillations could be forced to
track the frequency of induced rhythmic whisker movements at a stable,
frequency-dependent, phase difference. During these stimulations, the
response intensities of multiunits at the thalamic recipient layers of the
cortex decreased, and their latencies increased, with increasing input
frequency. These observations are consistent with thalamocortical loops
implementing phase-locked loops, circuits that are most efficient in
decoding temporally encoded information like that obtained by active
vibrissal touch. According to this model, and consistent with our results,
populations of thalamic "relay" neurons function as phase "comparators"
that compare cortical timing expectations with the actual input timing and
represent the difference by their population output rate." 

Since 8 and 10 Hz played a significant role in the study, I asked the
author to consider Persinger's hypothesis that the 8 Hz Schumann resonance
and the 10 Hz universal tremor reflex (approximate earth-ionosphere cavity
and earth resonances, respectively) may be phylogenetically linked to basic
neural functioning and circadian rhythms. If so, could spontaneous (or
experimental) bioactive ELF modulations entrain cortical oscillations using
CNS phase-locked loop functions? 

To be continued ....

References:

[1] ''Schumann-resonances in magnetic-field components '', Journal of
Atmospheric and Terrestrial Physics, Vol. 57, No. 5, p. 655, 1994
<http://www-star.stanford.edu/~mfuelle/eicr.html>. See also:
<http://www.laurentian.ca/www/neurosci/publist.htm> for a bibliography
of Persinger's papers and books.

[2] ELF and VLF Electromagnetic Field Effects, Editor, Michael A Persinger,
Plenum Press, 1974

[3] ON THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECTLY ACCESSING EVERY HUMAN BRAIN BY
ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION OF FUNDAMENTAL ALGORITHMS, M.A. Persinger,
Laurentian University, Perceptual and Motor Skills, June 1995, 80, 791-799
<http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/T_Porter/persemf.htm>

[4] Sandyk, R. Successful treatment of multiple sclerosis with
  magnetic fields. _International_Journal_of_Neuroscience_,   1992, 66,
237-250.

[5] Ehud Ahissar, Sebastian Haidarliu, and Miriam Zacksenhouse, "Decoding
temporally encoded sensory input by cortical oscillations and thalamic
phase comparators," Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 94, pp. 11633-11638,
October 1997), <http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/94/21/11633>

[6] Persinger, M.A. The effects of transient and intense geomagnetic
or related global perturbations upon human group behavior. In
J.B. Calhoun (Ed.), _Perspectives_on_adaptation,_environment_
_and_population_. New York: Praeger, 1983. Pp. 28-30.

[7] Frey, Allan H., Human Auditory system response to modulated
electromagnetic energy. J. Appl. Physiol. 17(4): 689-692. 1962.

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Regarding discussion on the list on sound-producing meteors:

Philip M. Bagnall stated <http://www.ticetboo.demon.co.uk/audible.htm>:

"Keay has investigated reports of "electrophonic" sound emitted by a number
of bright fireballs. In 1980 he showed that the plasma trail of a large
fireball could generate Extra Low and Very Low Frequency (ELF/VLF) radio
emissions in the range 1 to 10 kHz. His theory was eventually verified in
1988 by three groups of Japanese observers who, working together, managed
to obtain simultaneous photographic and radio observations of a bright
fireball together with an electrophonic sound report of the event. 

"While bright fireballs may be capable of producing electrophonic sound
there are still problems with the fainter meteors. It seems unlikely that
such a small object could produce enough energy to generate ELF/VLF radio
emissions, but reports do exist and need to be satisfactorily explained. 

"The main objection to audible meteors is that humans cannot normally hear
electrophonic sound. But various theories have been proposed in which sharp
objects - such as aerials, wires and even blades of grass - could convert
any ELF/VLF emissions present into audible sound. In effect, the meteor
discharges its sound to the ground in the same way that a charged cloud
will discharge lightning - a common enough occurrence. Another, though less
likely explanation came from A.Paine who speculated that sound may be quite
common at certain wavelengths that are outside the normal range of the
human ear. He went on to propose "bat-like" sensitivity under certain
conditions. 

"It is interesting to note that the Inuit have a belief that aurorae -
which are caused by solar atomic particles interacting with the Earth's
magnetic field and atmosphere - can also be heard, despite occurring at
altitudes of 100 - 700 km where the air is too thin for the transmission of
sound. In Inuit mythology, aurorae are to souls of the dead who, if you
listen very carefully, will whisper to you. Clearly, the same processes
that make meteors audible may also account for whispering aurorae." 

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I3683 wrote:
> 
> > frequencies. This gives an order of magnitude of around 0.06 Hz
> > as an upper limit of frequency. Wouldn't this be too low, as a
> > maximum frequency, for the hum?
> 
> The 'pummelling' of snowballs might give rise to higher
> frequencies than that, much like raindrops on a roof.
> 
> Regards, Anders

I'll think about this as I drive to and from Oklahoma City today (2
hours each way). Thanks for the conversation.

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I3683 wrote:
> 
> >I doubt it very much. People who make well founded, rational
> >statements based on evidence are cherished in science, not outcast.
> >The outcasting comes when a political goal is the real adgenda,
> >or when the evidence is not formulated systematically enough
> >to furnish a compelling, persuasive, rationale, even
> >though the conclusion drawn may indeed be later shown to be
> >correct. Simply being vigorous in stating a conclusion is
> >not sufficient, *hopefully*, in science, not as in daily life and
> >personal relationships.
> 
> My experience is different.
> Look for example at cold fusion science, and you will find that
> Fleischman and
> others have produced compelling evidence for the reality of cold
> fusion.
> A large number of scientific writers have attacked the researchers
> verbally and
> they dont seem to be cherished. The scientific writers may be
> political
> scientists more than practical scientists, however. But they sure have
> an awful
> effect on public opinion.
> You could well consider Fleischman an outcast.
No, in fact I do not. The persons whom I know who are physicists
(although only 5 or so) seem to have respect for him, and that is the
impression I get from the physics literature. Remember, he was respected
enough that 2 or 3 serious experimenters used their time and resources
to try to verify his findings. However, I would not be surprised to hear
non-physicists attack him, not comprehending the nature of the
scientific method. Well, it takes all kinds to make a world.

Thanks for the conversation.

> 
> >I am interested: if they "should", what would be the frequencies
> >and intensities involved?
> 
> Any large explosion produces infrasound, which can be used to locate
> the explosion. It has been suggested to have a global infrasound
> monitoring system for locating nuclear tests. I believe frequencies
> below 5 Hz are used.
> 
> Regards, Anders

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An impressive collection of quotes, and a nice collection of references!


>I speculated that these might be U.S. ELF submarine communications
>frequencies. 

I vaguely remember that U. S. ELF submarine communications use a frequency 
around 170 Hz (and not 75 Hz as some people claim), but that this system is 
being shut down. This has been discussed in this mail list before, and it should
be possible to search back in the mail list and find the frequency.

>Based on these subjective reports (and others), can we agree that the 
>hum waveform appears to be a pulse form rather than sinusoidal and that 
>the pulses appear to have a low-frequency phase, frequency or amplitude
>modulation superimposed?

Yes, if you with pulses understand that there is a randomity to the hum. If 
viewed as a sine wave it has both amplitude modulation and phase modulation, and
some frquency modulation.

Another description of this is random noise, affected by resonance. Sinuswave 
oscillations that die out, replenished every so often with a 'new wave-packet', 
the phase of which is random relative to previous ones.

Regards, Anders


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It perhaps Ok to remind the list that you can make many people quite ill 
with a frequency around 11 Hz.

Just shine a blinking light into their eyes with a frequency around 10 Hz. 
You may have to adjust it a little to find a person's weak point.
Many people will get nausea from this. The experiment is quite easy for the 
experimenter (but not for the subject).

Not as effective, but still having a powerful effect is low frequency sound 
in the 10-40 Hz range. Some people will become ill if you subject them to 
low frequency sound of the right frequency. It may be tricky to find the 
right frequency, but the effect is quickly measurable on pulse and oxygen 
uptake. 

Regards, Anders
 

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I omitted two key reports on the Taos Hum list:

1. "Sara T. Allen" <sallen@laplaza.org> reported that the team's
highly sensitive (down to infrasound) acoustic transducers 
"could not detect any acoustic energy that we could attribute 
to the hum, yet we could both sense the hum." (No specs
provided on sensitivity vs. frequency.)

"[we] went into a room that exists in the Mechanical Engineering
Dept at UNM which is isolated vibrationally. We were both able to sense
the hum in this room," she added. 

These tests appear to exclude acoustic and mechanical vibrations
as an explanation.

2. "Sara T. Allen" <sallen@laplaza.org> also reported use of 
a "Faraday cage down at Sandia labs to see if it blocked his 
perception of the hum. He went to the lengths of having much of the
auxiliary equipment shut down for his experiment. He has told me that he was 
still able to sense the hum."

That test would appear to reject the electric component of RF signals
as a hypothesis and leaves ULF/ELF frequencies as a testable hypothesis, 
since the magnetic component, which predominates at ULF/ELF
frequencies, is not appreciably attenuated by a Faraday cage.

Studies needed:

1. Adjust pulse repetition frequency, waveform, and phase offset
to match perceived sounds. 

2. Monitor for coincident ELF signals, perhaps triggering or synching
to subjectively reported PRF and using common mode rejection and
notch-filtering to reduce 60 and 120 Hz power-line artifacts as well 
as 60 Hz beat frequencies (resulting from nonlinearities) at 30 and 90 
Hz and applying coincidence gating, summing/correlation, and signal
analysis techniques to determine frequencies and other characteristics. It
would also be important to test for 60 Hz power line transients 
and pulse modulation as a source, using the same process.

These tests might provide clues on specific radio frequency
and geomagnetic sources of the Taos hum phenomenon.

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>These tests appear to exclude acoustic and mechanical 
>vibrations as an explanation.

I disagree that they exclude. I may agree that they appear to exclude.

Regards, Anders

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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Steve Ekwall wrote:
  >>  >>>Are any of the list-users out there SCUBA-DIVERS?
  >>  >>Regards, Anders
-snip-
  >>If my line of aether thinking is right, the hum should increase in a pool
  >>or tub.. 
-snip-
  >>Will personally try the tub tonight: Dive & Report - I missed my sunday
  >>bath anyway :)
  >>
  >>-=se=-
Sorry, no luck tonight in test,(tub was standard older cast iron one side
face (white) and full of denver tap water. ~warm~).  I didn't here the hum
before entry: (concentrated for it) I didn't hear the hum after entry:
(concentrated for it: face up and (snorkel'd) face down for 2-3 minutes)
nothing... alas. i've posted earlier i'm just a 1 or 2 level hearer at
best!...
  (will keep the above 'tub/pool/spa' in mind the next time i note the
hum)
  sorry to waste your time here.. but i still think it should amplify
under water (being thicker than air) 
best to your & yours.
-=jse=-


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>  sorry to waste your time here.. but i still think it should amplify
>under water (being thicker than air)

Thanks that you did the experiment.
Please redo it when you hear the hum.

Regards  Anders

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At 17:20 04/11/97 CET, you wrote:
>
>It perhaps Ok to remind the list that you can make many people quite ill 
>with a frequency around 11 Hz.
>
>Just shine a blinking light into their eyes with a frequency around 10 Hz. 
>You may have to adjust it a little to find a person's weak point.
>Many people will get nausea from this. The experiment is quite easy for the 
>experimenter (but not for the subject).
>
>Not as effective, but still having a powerful effect is low frequency sound 
>in the 10-40 Hz range. Some people will become ill if you subject them to 
>low frequency sound of the right frequency. It may be tricky to find the 
>right frequency, but the effect is quickly measurable on pulse and oxygen 
>uptake. 

I have noticed that when driving with the car roof open a bit, it causes a
low frequency pulsing sound that can cause a feeling of sickness and
disorientation. The amount that the roof is slid open alters the frequency
quite considerably.
Regards,

Ronald Hill.

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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, I3683 wrote:
  >>
  >>It perhaps Ok to remind the list that you can make many people quite ill 
  >>with a frequency around 11 Hz.
  >>
  >>Just shine a blinking light into their eyes with a frequency around 10 Hz. 
  >>You may have to adjust it a little to find a person's weak point.
  >>Many people will get nausea from this. The experiment is quite easy for the 
  >>experimenter (but not for the subject).
  >>
  >>Not as effective, but still having a powerful effect is low frequency sound 
  >>in the 10-40 Hz range. Some people will become ill if you subject them to 
  >>low frequency sound of the right frequency. It may be tricky to find the 
  >>right frequency, but the effect is quickly measurable on pulse and oxygen 
  >>uptake. 
  >>
  >>Regards, Anders
  >> 
  >>
circa 1950's....
Great, (!) we can go BACKwards in TIME too :) .. FLORIDA STATE had/has a 
toll-way (pay to drive your auto) in its southern penisula called
"the BEE-LINE PARKWAY/TOLLWAY" (Whatever)..for years.. when built...
   It was observed that motorist were "wrecking" at rush hour, MORE often
than NOT (according to FL Highway Stats) ALONG THIS LENGTH OF HIGHWAY! 
-------
Appears the "GOV. SPec(s)" suggested planting "Royal PALM TREES" at 40
foot distances from one another on both sides..[nice & neat!]..so that's
how they planted them..(SIlly but true.. very Palmunisc, though I guess)
-------
At the high-way speed then, the *Flashing* of the setting SUN around
 rush hour home... Proved to much for some (drivers would go into a
seizure of types)... Like watching a picket
fence flash/flip by....Anyway, The Governor of Florida  had the trees
PULLED out "IN RANDOM"  
--------
Problem solved! (less wrecks) (duh:):):)
--------
You're RIGHT Anders, Flashing Light CAN Cause Convulsions or seizures as
used in EEG setups (behind closed eyes!)..."be careful"!
--------
REM: the human body(+brain) matures/grows from 6 cycles a sec to 10-11
cycles a sec. during maturity-growth... (we adults, are STUCK at 10-11)! 
One reason we don't enjoy the "sky-ride" as much as our children.. besides
the hardening of fibers that attach it to our skull..
--------
Ahh to be young again... BUT!...

Best to you & yours

-=jse=-

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>I have noticed that when driving with the car roof open a bit, it 
>causes a low frequency pulsing sound that can cause a feeling of 
>sickness and disorientation. 

So now you are a hummer, too....

Regards, Anders


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A hummer has performed a succesful experiment.

A hummer here had her house disconnected from the public network of pipes 
with natural gas.

The hum became minimal and has so far stayed minimal for two days.

Regards, Anders


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On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:58:00 CET I3683 wrote:

> From: I3683 <i3683@csc.dk>
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:58:00 CET
> Subject: Hum silenced
> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
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> A hummer has performed a succesful experiment.
> 
> A hummer here had her house disconnected from the public network of pipes 
> with natural gas.
> 
> The hum became minimal and has so far stayed minimal for two days.

I hope it stays that way for her!

Here in Norfolk UK there are a lot of villages (like the one we live in) which are not connected to the public network of gas pipes, 
but nevertheless gas pipes do run nearby, some of them being the very large national transmission pipes.  An interesting article 
appeared in the local press this week, saying that residents of two villages near the Bacton Gas Terminal (the main onshore 
terminal for North Sea Gas where the gas is processed and transported by pipeline all over the UK) on the north Norfolk coast, 
had been hearing a low frequency "roar", which had been confirmed as existing by local environmental health officers.  One of the 
suppliers at the terminal has admitted it does have a problem with noise and is seeking to do something about it.  It will be 
interesting to see if this has any effect either on the "roar" heard by the residents of the villages nearby the terminal or my "hum"!  I 
will keep you posted.
> 
> Regards, Anders
> 
> 



















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>One of the suppliers at the terminal has admitted it does have a problem 
>with noise and is seeking to do something about it.  It will 
>be interesting to see if this has any effect either on the "roar" heard 
>by the resi dents of the villages nearby the terminal or my "hum"!

Unusual that anyone admits anything.

Here everyone who is responsible for a hum-source  consistently denies that
there is any noise. Often it is documentable that they are lying.
Typically they claim they never received any complaints.
Yet the local health authorities have a stack of complaints about the source.

The local health authorities here usually side with the industry. And somehow 
manages to loose the complaints.

And many here, including the Ministry of Illness, many health authorities, and 
the usual collection of not too bright scientists and technicians say that they 
have made sound measurements (down to infrasound) and havent found anything that
a normal human being should be able to hear. (As in Taos...)

So if anything is done to dampen the noise in the British gas pipes, the British
authorities are acting differently than the authorities here...

Regards Anders






 





















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I3683 wrote:
> 
> >I doubt it very much. People who make well founded, rational
> >statements based on evidence are cherished in science, not outcast.
> >The outcasting comes when a political goal is the real adgenda,
> >or when the evidence is not formulated systematically enough
> >to furnish a compelling, persuasive, rationale, even
> >though the conclusion drawn may indeed be later shown to be
> >correct. Simply being vigorous in stating a conclusion is
> >not sufficient, *hopefully*, in science, not as in daily life and
> >personal relationships.
> 
> My experience is different.
> Look for example at cold fusion science, and you will find that
> Fleischman and
> others have produced compelling evidence for the reality of cold
> fusion.

I read about 2 months ago in a news service posting that he had formally
withdrawn his conclusions, saying that they were not reproducable
(either
by himself or others).

> A large number of scientific writers have attacked the researchers
> verbally and
> they dont seem to be cherished. The scientific writers may be
> political
> scientists more than practical scientists, however. But they sure have
> an awful
> effect on public opinion.
> You could well consider Fleischman an outcast.
> 
> >I am interested: if they "should", what would be the frequencies
> >and intensities involved?
> 
> Any large explosion produces infrasound, which can be used to locate
> the explosion. It has been suggested to have a global infrasound
> monitoring system for locating nuclear tests. I believe frequencies
> below 5 Hz are used.

An explosion produces a shock wave (impulse noise) leading to a wide
range of frequencies of random phase relationship (such as "hiss"), not
as a discernable tone. The exception is when there is something like
a resonant cavaty, such as the low frequencies generated when you have
the roof of your car open, and the wind rushes in. Try breathing through
your mouth, not voicing with your vocal cards, and raise your tongue
against the top of your mouth: as you continue to restrict the
passageway,
you will hear a sound of increasing pitch, from the resonance
reinforcement
of the more or less "white noise" excitation. You can also hear a
"tuned" click, as you click your tongue repeatedly and at the same
tighten it. I once wrote an interesting piece of music, produced on a
computer by filtering white noise in the audio range, filtering with a
broad notch filter, so that a melody was discerned through the
>missing< frequencies! Thus a tone can be produced both by positive
amounts of energy in narrow bands and by the absence of energy, that are
subtracted from random noise (I won't worry about the grammar of this).




> 
> Regards, Anders

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>Here everyone who is responsible for a hum-source  consistently 
>denies that there is any noise. 

Sorry, that was an exaggeration. I got carried away. Instead of everyone it 
should be 'most people'.

Regarding the British health authorities, I seem to recall that the Health 
Minister, Edwina Curry was sacked because she admitted that British eggs 
contained dangerous bacteria.

And in the first years of the Mad Cows Disease scandal, public servants 
could get sacked, if they said that British Beef could be dangerous. That 
story was suppressed.

So if the British health authorities have a choice between the interests of 
the industry (including farming) and the health of the people, they have in 
the past sided with the industry.

But that was under a Tory government. Perhaps there are a few differences 
under a Labour government.

Regards, Anders

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>I read about 2 months ago in a news service posting that he had 
>formally withdrawn his conclusions, saying that they were not 
>reproducable (either by himself or others).

I follow Fleischman's and other cold fusion researchers writings as closely as I
can.

Fleischman has recently become more pessimistic. He had a research grant from a 
Japanese company, which ran out and wasnt immediately prolonged.

He has been musing that it takes longer than he had hoped to develop 
commercially viable applications. He is disappointed that so few people 
understand what he has done.

This is very far from 'he had formally withdrawn his conclusions'.

Your news service posting seems to be grossly incorrect disinformation.
Possibly bordering on criminal disinformation.

The latest scientific article I have from Fleischman is extremely well written, 
and documents with photos and diagrams with clarity that the cold fusion effect 
is reproducable (to him).

And the results have been reproduced by others. Some have failed to reproduce 
the effect.

And some seem to be spreading disinformation...

Regards, Anders


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At 09:21 06/11/97 CET, you wrote:

>So if the British health authorities have a choice between the interests of 
>the industry (including farming) and the health of the people, they have in 
>the past sided with the industry.
>
>But that was under a Tory government. Perhaps there are a few differences 
>under a Labour government.

Nope, Same old foot in mouth human shortcomings!
(but they are inclined to  admit to their shortcomings a bit quicker)

It is my own experience that the "establishment" is generally too occupied
in shuffling papers from one department to another to take notice of events
in the world outside (unless it affects their pockets).
When I mentioned the hum to a Member of Parliament at a civic event a short
while ago, his eyes glazed over, muttered "that's interesting" and
disappeared in the direction of another glass of sherry. Same reaction as
when UFOs are mentioned!

Mustn't get off-topic though, 
 
Regards,
Ron.

>Regards, Anders
>
>
>

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At 18:39 05/11/97 CET, you wrote:
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>
>>One of the suppliers at the terminal has admitted it does have a problem 
>>with noise and is seeking to do something about it.  It will 
>>be interesting to see if this has any effect either on the "roar" heard 
>>by the resi dents of the villages nearby the terminal or my "hum"!
>
>Unusual that anyone admits anything.
>
>Here everyone who is responsible for a hum-source  consistently denies that
>there is any noise. Often it is documentable that they are lying.
>Typically they claim they never received any complaints.
>Yet the local health authorities have a stack of complaints about the source.

Maybe someone admitted it without realising what a worldwide can of worms he
was opening. There's many a slip twixt cup and lip - as the old saying goes!

regards, 
Ron. 

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>I read about 2 months ago in a news service posting that he had 
>formally withdrawn his conclusions, saying that they were not 
>reproducable (either by himself or others).

And, by the way, if you can get me a copy of that news service posting, please 
do..

Regards, Anders


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>When I mentioned the hum to a Member of Parliament at a civic event a 
>short while ago, his eyes glazed over, muttered "that's interesting" 
>and disappeared in the direction of another glass of sherry. Same 
>reaction as when UFOs are mentioned!

Yes, we also have the occasional contact with members of parliament, 
ministers and public servants at the ministeries. It is usually 
rather depressing. I am going to a meeting with a scientist from the 
Ministry of Pollution in a couple of weeks. I am not particularly 
looking forward to it.

We had a bit of an amusing happening in the Parliament recently, though. 
Some hummers generated artificial hum for a number of the Members. They 
were impressed. Afterwards the Minister of Pollution asked for a little 
documentation. But it had to be marked in a special way to go through to 
him. His servants usually removed all such mail before he saw it.

Regards, Anders

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I have put below a message from another newsgroup that hearers of the Hum
might find interesting.
It would be very useful if hearers took particular notice of whether the hum
alters during the time that the solar flare affects us.
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MASSIVE SOLAR FLARES COULD AFFECT SATELLITES, NOAA SAYS

WASHINGTON (November 6, 1997 01:22 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - A
massive solar flare that burst from the sun Tuesday is likely to spawn a
geomagnetic storm that could affect satellites, the U.S. National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said on Wednesday.

The flare, detected as it occurred at about 1:58 a.m. EST on Tuesday,
was rated as a class X, the highest intensity classification, the NOAA
said in a statement.

Forecasters at the government's Space Environment Center predict that
activity in Earth's magnetic field will increase over the next few days,
with the geomagnetic storm reaching its greatest intensity on Friday.

The aurora borealis, or Northern Lights, are likely to put on a show
this week at northern latitudes in the United States, the forecasters
said.

However, power systems will probably experience only isolated effects,
while satellites may experience  surface charging, which can result in
arcing between parts of the satellite.

Very large geomagnetic storms can cause communications problems with
satellites and interfere with high frequency radio communications. U.S.
and European spacecraft will detect any such storms about one hour
before they reach Earth's magnetic field.

Forecasters said this flare, which is many times the size of Earth,
ushers in a new cycle of solar flare activity which is likely to
increase over the next two to six years.

-------------------

Regards,
Ronal Hill.

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Hi Ron,
Hal (New Millenium) has okayed my posting this....a new flare this morning.
Regards,
Nancy Hugo

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:18:03 -0500
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Subject: **X9 Flare and Proton Event** 11.06.97/1530 UTC

X9 Flare and Proton Event  11.06.97  1530 UTC

Wow!

At approximately 1200 UTC (7am EST) this morning an ~X-9~ class flare
was recorded by the solar measuring equipment used by NASA and SEC.
Within 30 minutes an intense Proton flare event began at the GOES
satellites as well.

The massive flare that occurred on the 4th and has brought all the
watches and anticipated magnetic storming (Nov 6-7-8) was an X-1 class
flare. This mornings flare was an X-9, the ~very~ highest rating on the
intensity scale for measuring the power output of solar flares. Just as
the Xray signature of this new flare was much more powerful than
Nov.4th's event, so was the Proton event that has followed.

This is a difficult concept to grasp, but the energy released from this
morning's X-9 flare was 100 million times more than with Tuesday's X-1
flare. Each number on the flare scale represents a tenfold increase in
energy output of the event; As an example, an X-2 is ten times more
powerful than an X-1.

If the alignment of the event was "geoeffective" (in good position
relative to Earth) then we can expect a truly massive electron cloud and
geomagnetic event sometime between the 8th and the 10th. According to
NASA, the famous geomagnetic storm of 1989 came after a series of
flares-the most powerful of which was an X-5; Obviously this event has
the ~potential~ to be much much more powerful.

Today is the first day of the original series of magnetic storm watches.
Obviously there will be a new series of severe magnetic storm watches
issued for the 8th through the 10th... longer if the solar events
continue. As soon as more detailed information is available on this
morning's incredible event, I will send it out via email bulletins.

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At 08:36 6/11/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Do we take women too serious?
>Do they know what they are talking about?
>Have they thought it out or do they just let there feelings do the thinking?
>Is this why there are so many disagreements between Men & WO-Men?
>Just a quick thought!
>Men listen to the women but don't take what they say too serious it is only
>there feelings not there brains doing the thinking!
>

Got to give it to you Kev your not backward in coming forward... I must admit, I don't seem to mind your style...  We should all never be afraid stand up and say that which we feel is important. No matter what others think. This is one of the problems tha

t  face the world in the future --person-to-person communication is breaking down. 

"If their is war between the sexes then there will be no people left." (song)

I'm not certain I would like to come into this discussion. Their is a reason why your above statements are as they are. Do you understand  The four fundamental brain switch frequencies ?  Eg.

Beta    28 hz  (logical /problem solving state, fear or emergency mode)
Alpha 14 hz  (Relaxation,  creative mode, general feeling of well being)
Delta   7 hz    ( Sleep, Mediation, Prayer mode)
Theta  3.5      (Near death , coma , shut down survival mode)

By choice Men switch more often  into the higher frequency of Beta, because their work is physically harder or their job involves leadership or repetitive logical analyses. This brain state is  forced onto men by the stereotypification of society. Women a

re not usually forced into these particular jobs, therefore their need to excite their brain state into higher gear is not always the case.  Women are NOT inferior to Men, "no way", they have the same size brain with the exact same capacity and logical th

ought. It is just that they choose not to hold their brain state in Beta for extended periods. They seek comfort in allowing a man to do this for them. They feel it is more feminine to be passive in some way. This is the excepted sterotypification in our 

society. Most women get annoyed with the discomfort of holding their brain state in Beta. And comes the famous quote, "Hell hath no furry like a women's scorn." ;) A good example of job stereotyping is the women in computing issue that comes up at Univers

ity.
Most women (not all) have a problem with the heavy logical problem solving  (beta) thought that goes into computing; therefore the industry is predominately male orientated . Read the above brain switch states again an ask yourself why is this so ?  If yo

u understand the above brain switch states you will understand how easy it is for malevolent governments to make machines/satellites that force peoples brain switch states into constant beta(28 hz), which eventually causes heavy stress, aggravation , an p

ossible violence. Do some research and see why the military is/are the only ones that transmit in the ELF (extremely low frequency) 0 - 100 hz band.  This is a hint of the coming EMF pollution debate in the not to distant future. Anyone like to put a $10 

casket ticket on it ?


To clarify again, mens logic is NOT superior to women's, we are both equal in that regard,it is just that most women choose not to do laborious thinking tasks, even though they still do, an I must add that some do it quite well.


G.D.Mutch
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G.D.&C.M.Mutch:

Are those speculations or are there some literature references you
can cite? What are the other lists discussing ELF/EMF?

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It has been a busy week for me. Not much time to retrieve my data from
storage. Had a T-1 installed at the station. KTAO will be live on the
net probably by the end of the month.
I had to service the transmitter on top of Picuris Peak (10,800 feet
above MSL). A return to the first place I heard the hum back in the
spring of 1992. The hum is still very apparent all around the mountain
although not any more than any other place I have been in Northern New
Mexico. It seems to be everywhere.

I didn't want to respond immediately to the questions about underwater,
bath, pool hum sensing. The bath was one of the first experiments I
undertook back in 1992. I found that although I could sense the hum
intensely in the bathroom, when I submerged my head, the water amplified
my body noises, heartbeat, blood flow, etc. so that the hum was masked
by the noise level under water. Pools are the same. However, a few years
ago, several scuba divers in the southern California area reported a
strange low frequency hum while they were under water. I have heard
little since about this except that it occured just prior to the
announced under water sound tests, I don't recall what agency was
running them.

As for flares and hum increase, I will be on the lookout but I want to
alert everyone as the coincidence of the showdown with Iraq. Military
movements also have a co-relationship with hum intensity. Unfortunatley,
the flares and the showdown are occuring simultaneously.

I promise that I will retrieve my data before monday next. Please be
patient, I will get the phone numbers to you that have requested.

Thanks.

Later.

Sara

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> I found that although I could sense the hum intensely in the bathroom, 
>when I submerged my head, the water amplified my body noises, 
>heartbeat, blood flow, etc. so that the hum was masked by the noise 
>level under water. Pools are the same. 

This suggests that Sara's hum is acoustic. Airborne acoustic noise does not 
penetrate well into water. 

VLF magnetics petrates water very well, so if VLF magnetics was responsible, I 
would expect Sara to hear the hum in the water.



Regards, Anders


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It has been a busy week for me. Not much time to retrieve my data from
storage. Had a T-1 installed at the station. KTAO will be live on the
net probably by the end of the month.
I had to service the transmitter on top of Picuris Peak (10,800 feet
above MSL). A return to the first place I heard the hum back in the
spring of 1992. The hum is still very apparent all around the mountain
although not any more than any other place I have been in Northern New
Mexico. It seems to be everywhere.
>However, a few years ago, several scuba divers in the southern 
>California area reported a strange low frequency hum while they 
>were under water. I have heard little since about this except 
>that it occured just prior to the announced under water sound 
>tests, I don't recall what agency was running them.

This is the US Navy doing experiments in the Pacific ocean with low 
frequency soundtransmissions. Apparently for communication purposes.
Probably to submarines, possibly to installations on the seabed.
I have been in contact with one of the divers.

Regards, Anders




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> This suggests that Sara's hum is acoustic. Airborne acoustic noise does not
> penetrate well into water.
>
> VLF magnetics petrates water very well, so if VLF magnetics was responsible, I
> would expect Sara to hear the hum in the water.
>
No, I didn't say I could not hear the hum underwater. I did say that
other noises masked the possibility of sensing the hum. The same is true
above water when there exists some sort of masking such as a fan or
music or the refrigerator or air conditioning or a toilet flush or water
running etc. My body noises effectively masked the hum in the bath while
my head was submerged even though the above water environment was quiet
enough to allow me to sense the hum.


On the subject of masking here is something interesting. On one of my
forays to Picuris peak during a snowstorm, (you know how quiet the world
seems during a snowstorm,) I noticed the hum at it's usual intensity. I
focused on it to make an observation of it's characteristics because of
the absolute silence of the environment I was in (except for the hum.)
As I was "listening", a distant jet aircraft just broke into the
threshold of my awareness and IMMEDIATELY masked the hum. I continued my
observation until the jet had passed by and the last remnants of its
passage faded away. As that occured, the hum did not immediately return
to it's original intensity but rather ramped up over the space of a
minute or so. I was able to repeat the observation several times as more
aircraft came and went and noticed the same effect each time.

Sara


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No, I didn't say I could not hear the hum underwater. I did say that other
noises masked the possibility of sensing the hum. The same is true above
water when there exists some sort of masking such as a fan or music or
the refrigerator or air conditioning or a toilet flush or water running
etc. My body noises effectively masked the hum in the bath while my head
was submerged even though the above water environment was quiet enough
to allow me to sense the hum.
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>On the subject of masking here is something interesting. On one of my
forays to Picuris peak during a snowstorm, (you know how quiet the world
seems during a snowstorm,) I noticed the hum at it's usual intensity. I
focused on it to make an observation of it's characteristics because of
the absolute silence of the environment I was in (except for the hum.)
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of my awareness and IMMEDIATELY masked the hum. I continued my observation
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away. As that occured, the hum did not immediately return to it's original
intensity but rather ramped up over the space of a minute or so. I was
able to repeat the observation several times as more aircraft came and
went and noticed the same effect each time.

<P>Sara
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Sara T. Allen wrote:

>However, a few years
>ago, several scuba divers in the southern California area reported a
>strange low frequency hum while they were under water. I have heard
>little since about this except that it occured just prior to the
>announced under water sound tests, I don't recall what agency was
>running them.

I read the low-freq sound was generated by the US Navy, using precise
time-of arrival measurements at multiple microphone locations in the
Pacific, they could determine sea temperatures.  Scuttlebutt was at the
time they were disturbing coastal residents in N. Cal, not to mention the
dolphins & whales that rely on acoustic communications!

If I recall correctly, the SPL was extraordinary, something like 150-200
db, and the freq was (?) below 40 Hz.  I think they used swept tones, or
maybe multiple discrete freqs. or pulses.  There was an article or two on
Usenet (?) or SNET with more details, maybe a year ago.

With the approaching El Nino, I'd guess they'll be working the system
overtime!  Should be easy to detect for anybody with access to the Pacific.
 Use a waterproof 12" - 15" woofer in a plastic garbage can for a
microphone, an 8:600 ohm stepup transformer to a shielded balanced-line
cable to a tape recorder or scope, and let us know what's there!

>
>As for flares and hum increase, I will be on the lookout but I want to
>alert everyone as the coincidence of the showdown with Iraq. Military
>movements also have a co-relationship with hum intensity. Unfortunatley,
>the flares and the showdown are occuring simultaneously.
>
>I promise that I will retrieve my data before monday next. Please be
>patient, I will get the phone numbers to you that have requested.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Later.
>
>Sara

I'm in Minnesota, 300 miles from the ELF sites.  I have a new receiver that
tunes down to 30 kHz, with good sensitivity, several detectors (AM, FM, usb
& lsb) - a collection of antennas, and a truly massive grounding system
that extends into a spring-fed creek.  I want to pick up ELF transmissions.
 Can I mix an audio "VFO" signal with the antenna input to tune below 30
kHz?  What else do I need?  I have freq-counters, miles of wire, a HP 302A
wave analyzer too, but no manual...
I could lash something together in a couple of days if someone sent me a
block diagram or other ideas.  Thanx!

Steve Beatty,  N0CRE   - near the MinneApple




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For those of you who have an interest the C. Crane Company has a new
product. A ELF/VLF natural radio: Model WR3E. It functions at 10 khz and
below. It picks up falling earth tones, whistlers and other sounds
created in the magnetosphere. It has a 60 cycle filter and a frequency
range of .1 to 13 khz, hand held with a 9 volt battery... #EF $144.95.
to order or more info call 1 800 522-8863

   Would like to hear any feedback from those who may utilize such
devices in quest of their hum...    Denis

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I3683 wrote:
> 
> It has been a busy week for me. Not much time to retrieve my data from
> storage. Had a T-1 installed at the station. KTAO will be live on the
> net probably by the end of the month.
> I had to service the transmitter on top of Picuris Peak (10,800 feet
> above MSL). A return to the first place I heard the hum back in the
> spring of 1992. The hum is still very apparent all around the mountain
> although not any more than any other place I have been in Northern New
> Mexico. It seems to be everywhere.
> >However, a few years ago, several scuba divers in the southern
> >California area reported a strange low frequency hum while they
> >were under water. I have heard little since about this except
> >that it occured just prior to the announced under water sound
> >tests, I don't recall what agency was running them.
> 
> This is the US Navy doing experiments in the Pacific ocean with low
> frequency soundtransmissions. Apparently for communication purposes.
> Probably to submarines, possibly to installations on the seabed.
> I have been in contact with one of the divers.

  Anders,
       Would you happen to know where specifically in the Pacific
these experments are taking place?
                                       Denis


> 
> Regards, Anders

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At 21:26 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote:
>For those of you who have an interest the C. Crane Company has a new
>product. A ELF/VLF natural radio: Model WR3E. It functions at 10 khz and
>below. It picks up falling earth tones, whistlers and other sounds
>created in the magnetosphere. It has a 60 cycle filter and a frequency
>range of .1 to 13 khz, hand held with a 9 volt battery... #EF $144.95.
>to order or more info call 1 800 522-8863
>
>   Would like to hear any feedback from those who may utilize such
>devices in quest of their hum...    Denis

Hi Denis,
I built my own "whistler " receiver that receives VLF form the attached
circuit diagram. We don't get much chance here in the UK to hear the really
good Aurora whistles and choruses (just like eerie bird songs) but electric
storms can be interesting. I use a loop aerial (wound around the edge of a
hula-hoop type plastic ring).

Have a look at the McGreevy site where there's loads of info on VLF
receiving etc.:
 Web site is  http://members.aol.com/lwcanews/natralib.htm

and for some really out-of-this-world WAV's of sounds picked up on VLF
receivers 
The Web site is  http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/mcgreevy/

I think you'll find them interesting.

Best Wishes,
Ron.

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Hello fellow list members,
I must apologise for having sent the copy of my email to Denis, in answer to
his query, to the list for information - but did not realise until the
message was on the way that the VLF receiver schematic was still attached.
I hope no-one was too upset at my accidental breaking of netiquette.
Regards,
 Ronald.

At 21:26 07/11/97 -0800, ticn@olypen.com wrote:
>For those of you who have an interest the C. Crane Company has a new
>product. A ELF/VLF natural radio: Model WR3E. It functions at 10 khz and
>below. It picks up falling earth tones, whistlers and other sounds
>created in the magnetosphere. It has a 60 cycle filter and a frequency
>range of .1 to 13 khz, hand held with a 9 volt battery... #EF $144.95.
>to order or more info call 1 800 522-8863
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>   Would like to hear any feedback from those who may utilize such
>devices in quest of their hum...    Denis
>

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Hi Folks:

As there continue to be researchers with a technical bent on the Hum line let
me re-broadcast the data I have on ELF and Hum receivers.  If you aren't
interested in this data simply skip reading it, I'll title it in the subject
heading so you can pass it by or pick it up as you wish.  These receiver
forms may prove interesting as they also relate to the ELF effects of solar
flares on the Geo-Mag field, and the activities of the Schumann resonances.

Larry Grant

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Hi Folks:

While I know these discussions are a bit technical for those not doing
electronic research I'm aware that a number of electronically capable people
are on the line and I'm getting as much data to them as possible so they can
work on the issues for themselves.  

This is a description of Lennart's latest receiver. I think you'll find it
very simple and quite stable.  While due to copyright problems I don't think
I can scan the schematic to the Net I feel that those who are capable of
building and carefully using their own device will find the description
useful toward their own work.

Lennart's receiver, which picks up the T. Hum in the southern part of Sweden
'on quiet nights,' consists of a low noise untuned pre-amplifier feeding a
three stage filter set, that's it.  A 10 inch woofer in a cabinet is the
transducer.

Now let's run it by again in more detail.

The pre-amplifier, an SSM 2017P chip, is the type of op-amp which has
separated inputs and gain control.  It allows easy coupling of the balanced
output of the speaker to the inputs and has 1.2K and 180 pf across the
speaker with 10K from each speaker lead to ground.

Various resistors are switch connected to the gain setting pins for a range
of 0-60Db, he suggests best operation at 30-40Db.  While the suggested chip
has excellent low noise performance it is only a little better than the
MAX410 and the Texas Instruments TLE2027.  These alternate chips are standard
op-amps but as the pre-amp is untuned and the gain not excessive they should
function quite well and are free as a sample of the MAX410 from MAXIM
semiconductor, the TLE2027 is not a wallet breaker either.  All resistors are
metal-film for low noise and stability.

Basically you want to run the front end at whatever gain gets the general
noise from the speaker close to the power supply rails but never goes into
clipping.
This is a common way to operate radio frequency pre-amplifiers.  THe MAX410
is designed for double rail 4.5 volt usage and will therefore be a little
short of overhead.  Lennart's design works double-rail with two nine-volt
batteries (total power supply voltage 18 volts), if you need the extra
overhead the TLE2027 is probably a preferred replacement for the SSM2017P.
 One could suggest tuning the high-frequency roll-off of the op-amp
configuration for a little better performance, and since the output of the
pre-amp is A.C. coupled a little offset from imbalances should not prove too
harmful so a single ended input set-up should work for the speaker as long as
you carefully shield for power-grid hum, which is also required with the
SSM2017P.

The output of the pre-amp goes through 1.8K with 200 ohms to ground, probably
to protect the input of the next stage from burn out due to overdrive from
the pre-amp.  A 2.42K resistor is the input to the first filter stage.  Each
stage of the filter is very simple text-book, most any op-amp catalogue has
one to work from.
All capacitors in the filter are selected .1UF, probably film rather than
ceramic for stability and accuracy.  Positive inputs are grounded, the
negative feedback resistor is 169Kohms in each stage.  After the first stage
both subsequent interstage resistors are 2.6Kohms.  Each filter stage has two
.1UF's, one to the negative input and one from the stage op-amp output to the
front of the input capacitor, same old same old, a historic and simple filter
with a Q of 4.03.

Total gain through the filter is 91 Db, center frequency is 76Hz, total Q is
7.9, bandwidth is 9.6Hz.  Lennart notes that the Q is too high but lower Q's
let too much 50Hz. (Swedish power Grid Freq.) hum through.  With the U.S.
power grid at 60 Hz. you may need slightly higher Q when working near power
grid lines, especially those at home.

Lennart suggests that the 10 inch woofer makes a good transducer with very
low thermal noise.  The output of the receiver is about 1 volt p-p signal
with 30Db signal to noise ratio.

Each power supply battery has a 47UF. and a 470UF. Capacitor across it and I
suggest a .1 at each supply pin to ground, very close to the chips. This is a
standard requirement when working with most op-amps, if you've had trouble
with unpredictable oscillation in op-amp designs it may be a lack of these
.1UF capacitors that lets the power supply rails jump at the chip, especially
true when working with wide-bandwidth chips.  Power supply bypass .1's can be
ceramic or monolithic for size and high frequency characteristics.

The filter output goes through a 22Uf. capacitor and has a 1Meg pot. to
ground for variable output.  Each stage is A.C. coupled through the frequency
setting capacitors so total filter D.C. offset is not important.

That's it, simple and standard, no tricky or unusual circuitry.  

The suggestions I've made for use of switched capacitor filters simplify the
need for odd value precision resistors, and due to the clock based frequency
of switched capacitor filters the passband can be raised and lowered from
about .1Hz to about 20Khz, allowing a search for Hum or other local signals
through the entire audio range and below.  My suggestions have not been taken
beyond the described basic functions and prototyping but represent another
way to get the same kind of filtering using a different approach with more
flexibility.  I'd suggest building an equivalent to Lennart's first since his
is known to work.

Lennart is a telecommunications engineer who specialized in long distance
line filters and has more than a bit of expertise in his pursuit.  He is
retired due to medical reasons and lives in Kalmar, Sweden.  While his first
design proved a bit controversial it appears he has answered all criticisms
with this receiver.

Good luck and good building.   Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try
and answer them.

Larry       LGrant44@aol.com


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Here is a description of circuitry which approximates and potentially exceeds
the parameters set by Lennart Branthel of Sweden for receiving Taos Hum at 77
Hz.  Additionally it is based on switched capacitor filters in a
configuration which has very little chance of self-oscillation and bogus
signal output.  It requires no particularly large or fancy electronic
components, all parts except the I.C. Chips are from Radio Shack. The I.C.'s
can be purchased through Digi-Key or sampled from Maxim Semiconductor at
http://www.maxim-ic.com. It can be tuned fairly easily through a wide range
of frequencies from a few Hz. to some upper limit in the Kilohertz.  It
provides the possibility for very high gain and very narrow bandpass
filtering, both presently thought to be necessary for studying the faint hum
signal.  Recent notes in the Taos Hum newsgroup by Anders suggest that beyond
the receiver and tuning a special detecting component may be necessary for
Hum reception.  At present this is some form of microphone.

The circuit is a patch together of schematics from various MAXIM
Semiconductor data sheets, so copyright considerations may limit the ability
to post a schematic. I can tell you which data sheets to study, there should
be no complications while using the diagrams for research. The circuit is
based on four precision op-amps and two switched capacitor filters and is
quite simple.

The op-amps are Maxim  MAX410 and MAX412 low noise  precision op-amps which
operate with low power drain (approx. 3 ma per amp) and low power supply
voltages of +/- 2.5 to 5 volts.  The 412 is two 410's in a single 8 pin
package used in this case to produce a balanced input impedence differential
amplifier.  Both the 410 and the 412 are described on the same data sheet
ordered under the MAX410 title. I've set my particular breadboard up as
single supply false ground circuits using 9 volt batteries, one for the first
stage and another heavier supply for the filters and differential amp.  I
suggest that for superior performance you design your receiver using dual
supplies which will make for much higher precision and therefore higher
potential gain than I've got at the moment.

The two filters are Maxim MAX294, 8th order, Lowpass, Elliptic, Switched
capacitor filters. These provide the steepest roll available in any easily
applied filter.  If you have not worked with switched capacitor filters you
will find the performance of these is nothing short of stupendous.  The
incorporation of them in circuitry borders on the trivial.  The low pass
cut-off frequency is set by a single small external capacitor, a small
trimpot added in series with this capacitor makes the circuit variable over a
wide range of frequencies. In my prototype each filter is tuned by a .01Uf.
Capacitor and 15K 20-turn trimpot. These values may seem inappropriate for
work at low frequencies like 75 Hz., but the cap. and trimpot are not doing
anything directly with the audio signal. They are instead tuning the clock of
a driving system which uses internal capacitors to produce a low-pass filter.
 This clock operates in the MAX294's at 100 times the cutoff frequency so the
capacitor can be very small in value to achieve low frequency operation.
 Varying the clock frequency varies the cut-off frequency.  

The only weakness of these filters is a bit of bleed-through of the clock at
the filter output.  The chip comes with a built in op-amp which can be used
in a circuit provided in the filter data sheet to eliminate the clock noise
and to provide still steeper roll-off above the basic cut-off frequency.
 While my quickie prototype does not apply this extra filter I suggest using
the filter as shown in the data sheet for better performance.  Table 1 of the
data sheet provides various component values for post-filter cutoff
frequencies. 

This new 77 Hz. receiver is not quite good enough to use with a large coil
inside a power grid but at present the 77 signal is being detected with a
microphone which is easily shielded against power grid hum.  The reason for
the sharp bandpassing is to eliminate all the other noise a microphone picks
up.  Eventually we may find a microphone or other transducer which eliminates
the need for stringent bandpassing and perhaps the need for high gain.  At
present the signal from the one known microphone is at about 5 microvolts,
pretty low.

There are two basic philosophies behind the function of this 75 Hz. receiver.

1.  The first stage can use simple capacitor tuning to achieve a modest roll
off of the high and low frequencies which we wish to reject.  

2.  Adding the two switched capacitor filters allows a very sharp bandpass to
be used which, when coupled with the modest roll-offs in the pre-amplifier
can produce characteristics close to those described by Lennart Branthle
in various submissions he has provided on the Internet.  The most important
of these characteristics are very tight.  With a 77 Hz. center frequency his
6Db down skirts are at 72 and 82 Hz.  12Db. down skirts are 69 and 86
Hz.  His gain is 90-95 Db.

With the circuitry of my receiver a center frequency of 77 Hz. resulted in a
6Db skirts of 73 Hz. and 81 Hz.12 Db. skirts at 68Hz. and 86 Hz.    The
weakness of my switched capacitor filter, without the pre-amplifier
filtering, was that max. lower skirt attenuation is about 30 Db. The double
preamplifier filtering should fairly well overcome this weakness, and more
attention to the details of the unusual method of achieving bandpass
operation from two low-pass filters could also increase the performance.  It
can be noticed from the pictures of the waveform of the output of Lennart's
receiver on the Taos Hum Web page that his signal to noise ratio is very good
which perhaps allows a little lowering of the total required performance
levels.  The point is to receive the Hum electronically at all, even if it
turns up a bit noisy, then to refine as necessary as the real chase for the
Hum and its source begins.  The circuitry described in this article should
make an excellent starting point.  I have simply run out of time to move my
receiver forward for the moment and hope that others can use it as a platform
from which to begin serious research.  On the other hand the high-frequency
skirt of my receiver is excellent, providing what should be approximately
70-80 Db. of suppression for the rest of the audio band.

When ordering the samples and data sheets from Maxim you should also get data
sheets for several other switched capacitor filters as they contain
additional circuitry which is useful in this design.  Here is the full list
of data sheets which you should obtain from MAXIM.

MAX280 5th order, Zero DC error, Lowpass filter, the data sheet contains a
description of how to make the family of Maxim filters tunable with a
trimpot.  The MAX280 or MAX281 used in tandem as shown in this data sheet
might also be an outstanding circuit to use in the receiver as it is of
instrumentation quality.

MAX281 5th order, Zero DC error, Lowpass filter.  This is a Bessel filter
with less steep roll off but complete immunity to strong pulse transients.  

MAX291-MAX292 8th order, Lowpass, Switched Capacitor filter data sheet.  The
MAX292 filter is Bessel rather than elliptic, this provides less steep roll
off but has no tendency to 'ring' under stimulation by heavy transients.  I
used a MAX281 and MAX292 in my Earthquake precursor receiver because
reception of signals with large open coils also picks up many huge transits
and the 281/292 combination provided incredible results when bashed by really
huge pulse transients.

MAX293/MAX294/MAX297  8th order, Lowpass, Switched Capacitor filter data
sheet.  This is the data sheet for the exact MAXIM filters used in the
receiver described in this article.  

MAX410/MAX412/MAX414  Single/Dual/Quad, 28MHz. Low-Noise, Low-Voltage,
Precision Op Amps Data sheet.
This is the data sheet for the op-amps used in the receiver.  The front page
of this data sheet shows the schematic for the differential amplifier used in
this article to turn two low-pass filters into one bandpass filter.

The Chips you want to sample are:

Two MAX294  Chips, the filters used in this articles receiver.  For purposes
of exact balancing you may wish to request that the two filter chips be from
the same manufacturing lot number.

Two MAX293  Chips, slower roll-off but suppression to 80 Db., directly
interchangeable with MAX294.

Two MAX410 Chips, the preamplifiers.

Two MAX412 Chips, one as the differential amplifier and one as a spare.

THE RECEIVER:

The PREAMPLIFIER is simply a two-stage A.C. coupled low noise op-amp circuit
with capacitive coupling.
As you will need all the roll-off that you can get at frequencies below 77
Hz. you should set each capacitor
in this stage to roll lows out.  There are five total caps. to do this with.
 The preamp chips are MAX410's which should probably have their own seperate
battery.  Be sure to switch the post amp on before firing up the preamp.

Input Cap.  Use a 4.7K resistor to ground from the positive Op-amp inputs.  A
1 Uf. Metal-film Cap. (Radio Shack 
Cat.#272-1055) goes between your transducer output and the Positive Op-amp
input.  This is crudely accurate, with an audio oscillator and some patience
you can trim this capacitor for best roll at 77 Hz. or whatever frequency you
want to work at. The same capacitor-resistor pair go between stages and at
the output.

D.C. coupled amplifiers use a feedback resistor (10 Megohms in this case)
between each op-amp output and the negative op-amp input.  Then a 4.7K
resistor from negative input to ground. In A.C. coupling a capacitor (you
guessed it, another 1 Uf.) goes in the ground leg to lower D.C. gain and
additionally roll-off low frequency response.  High frequency roll-off is
provided by a single 390 Pf. capacitor across each 10 Megohm feedback
resistor.  Adjust second stage gain to bring your input signal with noise up
to about 2-3 volts p-p. Trim all low frequency capacitors for roll-off
beginning just below your desired research frequency.  Acoustically isolate
your transducer as well as possible if it picks up sound, that should lower
receiver bandpass stringency. 

PREAMPLIFIER OPERATION THEORY:  The switched capacitor filters in the
successive stage like to see large signals,  whatever transducer you are
using you should set the gain of the preamplifier to produce the largest
output from this stage you can get short of clipping.  As the output can
swing up to 6 volts p-p you may find the total gain in this stage set quite
high but the roll-off provided by the 390 Pf. caps. keeps any high frequency
oscillation from happening, even in breadboarding. 

BANDPASS FILTER/DIFFERENTIAL POST AMPLIFIER.

The question is of course: how do you use low pass filters to produce
bandpass operation?  One way is in driving the outputs of two carefully
matched, identically fed lowpass filters into the input of a differential
amplifier and offsetting the cutoff frequency of one filter very slightly
from that of the other.  Frequencies above the cutoff (in this case 77 Hz.)
are removed by the steep rolloff of the two filters.  Frequencies below the
cutoff are identical in amplitude and phase and are cancelled by the
common-mode rejection of the differential amplifier.  What is amplified is
the frequency which is the slight difference between the two filters.  This
results in the very steep rolloffs required by Lennart's description of his
Hum receiver.  Coupled with the additional rolloffs of the preamplifier
capacitors the result should be close enough to Lennart's to get by as a
start. Failure in phase matching reduces the total possible bandwidth on this
bandpassing method, but it works well for very narrow bandwidths which are
what this receiver presently wants.

FILTER/AMP CONSTRUCTION.

Build two MAX294 filter sections with variable tuning as shown in the MAX281
data sheets.  Tuning for 77Hz. amounts to a .01Uf. Cap. with a 20K-15 turn
trimpot to ground.  The 15 turn trimpot is barely sufficient to the task, you
should add an additional 1k-15 turn trimpot in series with the 20K for fine
tuning. Build each section with the 2nd order Butterworth Lowpass filter
shown in figure 4 of the MAX293/MAX294 data sheet, values for 100 Hz. chosen
from Table 1. of that data sheet should do, but for best performance you may
want to raise the values of the 2nd order filter in order to drop the cutoff
frequency of this filter just above your chosen working frequency, 77 Hz.  I
haven't tried the full circuit with this post filter but if it turns out to
have unfortunate characteristics you can easily bypass it.  If you use just
the raw switched capacitor filters without the additional post filters be
sure to note the mention in the filter data sheets that the filters like to
see about 20K ohms to ground.  The switched capacitor filters also do not
like to drive loads less than 20K ohms, and if you want to attach a 'Scope
probe directly to the output of the switched capacitor filters for testing
I've found it necessary to add a 4.7K ohm or higher resistor between my
probes and the filter output to prevent high frequency oscillation.

The INPUTS of the two filters are simply paralleled and driven from the
output of the preamplifier with a 4.7K resistor to ground, the resistor from
the last preamp capacitor resistor pair.

Build one 'Low Noise Instrumentation Amplifier' using a single MAX412 chip as
seen on page 1 of the MAXIM
MAX410/MAX412 data sheet.  Adhere closely to the resistor values, use a
digital ohmmeter and series-paralleling of two or three resistors (precision
1 percent metal- film) to obtain the odd values used in this amplifier.
 Match the resistor pairs carefully for maximized common-mode rejection in
this amplifier.  Note the mention in the MAXIM schematic for trimming gain
and common-mode rejection.  The gain of this amplifier seems to be about 40
as I put .1 volts in and got 4 volts p-p out, but when breadboarding this
stage I totally trashed the values of the 42.2 K resistors using 10 K instead
and still got 30 Db. of steep low Freq. rolloff.  The whole receiver is
remarkably immune to fooling around with values, but I'm describing how you
should go about building the ideal receiver.  

The outputs of the two filters go one each to the + and - inputs of this
differential amplifier.  Be sure that the power for the filters and
differential amp comes on at the same time although the MAX410/MAX412 can
stand up to 20 ma. of input overdrive.  Also be sure to turn on the
filter/differential amp before turning on the preamplifier because you might
take out the switched capacitor filter inputs if they are off when the
preamplifier begins to drive.  Turn the preamplifier off before turning off
the rest of the system.  The reason for the use of this rather fancy
differential amplifier is that it is the easiest way to be sure that the two
filter sections are driving identical loads.  While the frequencies above
cut-off are filtered by the low-pass characteristics of the two filters and
these are very good at providing sharp cut-off, the frequencies below
cut-off, the lower skirt of the bandpass filter, are provided by the
common-mode rejection of the amplifier and the best operation here requires
that the lower than cut-off frequencies be as identically matched as
possible.  Other routes to this may be possible but I've found this quick and
not-so dirty. Be sure to match the components of the analog filter following
the switched capacitors.

SETTING UP THE BANDPASS FILTER.

Use an audio oscillator set at the desired center frequency.  Lennart
Branthel has described that his own internal Hum and the hum he
electronically receives are centered at 77 Hz., so you might try that.  A
tape I have of a Taos Hum like signal seems to have a center at 75 Hz.
 You'll probably want to try 77, it is fairly easy to shift around in this
band by tuning the clocks of the filters in the following manner:

Drive the common, paralleled inputs of the filters at .1 Volts p-p., 77 Hz.
 Connect the probes of a dual-channel 'Scope through 4.7 K ohm or higher
matched resistors to one each of the outputs of the filters, right at the
inputs of the differential amplifier.  You can check if the filters are
operating happily by using a 'scope to observe the clock of each filter at
pin 1 of each filter chip, this is a triangular wave form at 100 times the
cutoff frequency.
The added capacitance of the probe will probably shift the operating
frequency of the clock a bit, don't leave the probe connected while doing
critical tuning.  You can leave the probes on the filter outputs, however.

Raise or lower the frequency of one filter, at some point you should see the
signal rather suddenly appear if you are raising the clock frequency, or
disappear if you are lowering it.  Set the main trimmer so the signal has
just achieved full output of approx. .1 volts p-p.  Adjust the fine trimmer
if necessary to where the signal is attenuated about 1 Db. so you can tell
exactly where cutoff is.  

On the other filter and 'Scope channel adjust the trimmers until the signal
is also coming through at full level minus about 1 Db., or attenuating just a
tad.  Now overlay your two 'Scope channels carefully and adjust one or the
other of the filters until the overlay is as tight as you can manage, on my
little Goldstar 'scope the signals could be overlayed until they looked just
like one trace.  At this point the filters are working at close enough to the
same frequency to be useful.  This kind of frequency, amplitude and phase
matching is possible because the switched capacitor filters are so repetitive
in manufacture and performance, a difficult trick with discrete component
filters.  Addtionally these characteristics should maintain over the
frequency range of the filters, .1 to 25KHz.  

REMOVE THE PROBE from the other filter so you don't unbalance the circuit.
Sweep the driving frequency back and forth over the center frequency while
observing the output of the differential amplifier.  The output should be
fairly low or close to zero, showing the quality of your common-mode
rejection and filter balance.  

WATCHING THE DIFFERENTIAL AMPLIFIER OUTPUT,  sweep your audio oscillator back
and forth across the 77Hz center frequency while adjusting one filter clock
slightly and the bandpassed signal should begin to appear.  If lowering the
frequency of the clock doesn't show the signal raise it above cut-off a tad.
 Practice with this will allow you to peak the circuit performance. You are
trying to get lower and lower values of differential amplifier output at the
frequencies below the center of 77 Hz., the higher than cutoff frequencies
will pretty much take care of themselves.  It helps to use a Db meter at this
point. I don't know what the max. capabilities of this circuit are when it
comes to the lower frequencies because I've run out of time and fine tuning
the entire circuitry can take a bit. Hopefully between the switched capacitor
and analog preamplifier circuits the total performance will be sufficient to
chase the 77Hz. signal effectively.  When you have determined exact values
you may wish to replace the 20K trimpots with equivalent precision resistors
for clock stability over time and temp., using the 1K for fine trimming
thereafter.

		  From this point we are exploring off into the dark, I hope this provides
a sufficient platform for branching out into further and more definitive
research.  

Best to all of you.    Larry Grant     LGrant44@aol.com

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On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Ron Hill wrote:
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A Picture is worth a 1,000 words!.  I for one, found it interesting.

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>  Anders,
>       Would you happen to know where specifically in the Pacific
>these experments are taking place?
>                                       Denis

Around Monterey.
Around Hawaii

Possibly other places as well.

Regards, Anders

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The lady that had her house disconnected from the public natural gas pipe 
network still has only minimal hum. 

The company responsible for the pipe system is suddenly into much activity and 
had 6-7 engineers at her home yesterday, working with copper pipes. They may 
be afraid of the implications.

Unfortunately we cannot get hold of equipment for measuring the vibrations in 
the home.

Regards, Anders


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A hummer here has done an experiment, which may be interesting.

She got hold of some "sylomer" compound from Austria through a local 
sound-engineering company, and placed her bed on 4 pieces of this 
rubber-sponge compound. It did not remove the hum, but it changed it, and it 
wasnt felt in the body the same way as before.

This could be some kind of autosuggestion or placebo effect, but she is not 
easily suggested into beliefs. She has tried many things against the hum, and 
most had absolutely no effect. When she says there is an effect, there 
probably is.

This is an indication that vibrations play a part in her hum.

Her home contains measurable infrasound (which is below the 'threshold of 
hearing' as in Taos). A sound engineering company has measured for vibration, 
and didnt find anything that looked significant. They did dig the 
accellerometer down in a pile of sand, which dampens vibrations. This may have 
been a stupid way of doing vibration measurements. 

One gets the impression that her home is vibrating and converting vibrational 
energy into infrasound, which she can hear. The home is also receiving 
infrasound through the air. It seems to be a mixture of vibration and 
infrasound from different sources.

Regards, Anders






 

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No special hum effect has been noticed here, which could be attributed to the 
unusual ejection of plasma from the sun.

Regards, Anders

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At 13:57 10/11/97 CET, you wrote:
>
>A hummer here has done an experiment, which may be interesting.
>
>She got hold of some "sylomer" compound from Austria through a local 
>sound-engineering company, and placed her bed on 4 pieces of this 
>rubber-sponge compound. It did not remove the hum, but it changed it, and it 
>wasnt felt in the body the same way as before.
<snip>. 
>
>One gets the impression that her home is vibrating and converting vibrational 
>energy into infrasound, which she can hear. The home is also receiving 
>infrasound through the air. It seems to be a mixture of vibration and 
>infrasound from different sources.

Or maybe she had a sprung mattress whose coil springs resonated ?

regards,
Ron.

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Hi to T/H list
I have a huge back log of mail to catch up on... I try to catch up some time in the coming weeks.


G.D.Mutch

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On Friday evening, Nov. 7, 1997, between 9 and 11 pm Mountain standard
time, I noticed a marked increase in the hum. I was watching TV and the
hum was intense enough to be noticeable. This has continued since then
through today. Does anyone know when the solar flares arrived in this
part of the world Taos, NM?

A new buzzing hum has been reported to me by a Taos resident. She says
it sounds like a model airplane motor and has been sensed by her for the
past few months.

I am still working on finding James Garner's phone number in
Albuquerque.

Sara


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On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:02:00 CET I3683 wrote:

> From: I3683 <i3683@csc.dk>
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> To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com
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> 
> No special hum effect has been noticed here, which could be attributed to the 
> unusual ejection of plasma from the sun.

The hum has been really terrible here in Norfolk UK over the weekend and particularly bad last night (11 Nov).


Julie


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>Or maybe she had a sprung mattress whose coil springs 
>resonated ?

I dont think the type of mattress makes much difference. She has difficulty 
sleeping because of the hum, and will sometimes get up at night, and sometimes 
sleep on a different mattress. 

If the type of mattress made a difference, I think she would have discovered it 
a long time ago. 

Besides, the sylomer wouldnt change the resonance of the coil springs. So I dont
see how a resonance in the coil springs (assuming the mattress is a spring 
mattress) would make any difference to the interesting observation that she 
sleeps better with sylomer under the bed posts.

With sylomer under the bed she still hears the hum with the ears, but she doesnt
feel it with the body.

Many hummers report that the hum   gets worse when they put the head down on the
pillow. This makes sense if they really are sensitive to vibration. When they 
are standing on their legs, the body isolates them from vibration in the ground 
to some degree. When they put their head down it gets into better contact with 
the ground and they get a higher dose of vibration...

Regards, Anders

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I found a little press info from the manufacturer of Sylomer:


TAKING THE MARKET 
BY SILENT STORM 
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the Getzner, Mutter & Cie. Group, which also includes Getzner Textil AG with 
750 employees. The company is audited and certified in accordance with DIN/ISO 
9001.

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The following info will not relate to many of us. But, it may be found
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<H2>HYPERSENSITIVTY OF HEARING</H2>
<h3>Jonathan Hazell FRCS, Head of Medical Research, RNID, London UK</h3>
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Continuous and loud noise is a source of irritation to most people.  However some people
have especially sensitive hearing and are unable to tolerate ordinary levels of noise.  This can
occur in people with normal hearing, or in those with a hearing loss. There are three
components which can contribute to sensitive hearing (hyperacusis, phonophobia and
recruitment) and these will be discussed separately.<P>
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<h2>Hearing tests</h2>
The standard 'pure tone audiogram' measures the quietest sound you can hear.  You listen
through headphones to sounds from a carefully calibrated instrument (audiometer), and
respond (e.g. by pressing a button) whenever you hear a sound, however quiet. This is called
the <em>threshold</em> of hearing. An equally important, but less frequently used test
measures the upper limit of loudness tolerance. You should indicate when the tones become
uncomfortable to the ear (just before they become painful). For patients who are frightened
of loud sounds this test must be done carefully and with proper instruction. None of the
sounds from the audiometer are capable of damaging the ear, even in a sensitive individual.
It is very important to have a good knowledge of the level of loud sound tolerance when
treating hyperacusis, or when fitting a hearing aid to any patient, whether they have
hyperacusis or not.
<P>
<h2>The mechanism of hyperacusis, recruitment and phonophobia</h2>

Hyperacusis is due to an alteration in <em>central processing </em>of sound, and the
cochlea is often completely normal, although patients frequently wrongly
believe it is irreversibly damaged. The traditional teaching involves only an
understanding of 'recruitment' due to cochlea damage. Since almost all people
with hyperacusis can be helped by behavioural and 'sound' therapy, it has
become clear to us that the symptoms cannot be the result
of ear damage. Some people with hyperacusis also have <EM>phonophobia</EM>. This
means they literally fear being exposed to a certain sound, sometimes because of the belief
that it will damage the ear. Often these are normal environmental sounds like traffic, kitchen
sounds, doors closing, or even loud speech, which cannot under any circumstances be damaging. In
phonophobia certain complex sounds produce discomfort, on the basis of their meaning or
association, but other sounds which are enjoyed (such as music) can be tolerated at much
higher levels. If there is a discrepancy in the level or different sounds which produce
discomfort, then it is very likely that a degree of phonophobia exists. Phonophobia can lead
to hyperacusis (by changes in central auditory processing), and a consequent persistence of
abnormal loudness perception. <P>

A common widespread and largely harmless expression of phonophobia is seen in the fathers
of teenage children to 'modern' music being played (even in the distance) and to the dislike
for music 'leaking' from the headphones of portable cassette players on public transport. In
addition some sounds are inherently unpleasant, like the squeak of chalk on a slate, even
though the number of decibels produced by this is very small. This is 'cultural' or species
phonophobia! <P>


<h2>Recruitment</h2>
A normal ear is able not only to hear extremely quiet sounds (between 0 and 20dB hearing
level) but can also tolerate very loud sound without discomfort (up to levels of 115dB
hearing level). With hearing loss an inability to hear quiet sounds may be coupled with a
paradoxical intolerance for loud sounds due to <EM>recruitment</EM>.  An ear with
recruitment might well be unable to hear sounds, particularly high frequency sounds, below
50dB, but find any sounds above 80dB not only uncomfortable but liable to produce
distortion. Recruitment is due to a reduction in neural elements in the inner ear (usually the
hair cells), so that a small change in stimulus intensity produces a very big change in
response of the ear. More nerve fibres are switched or 'recruited', for a corresponding sound
stimulus.   Another way to look at this problem is to consider the ear rather like a musical
instrument. Think of the ear as an instrument 'playing sounds to the brain' where they are
perceived in the auditory cortex.  Most musical instruments have what musicians call a
dynamic range.  They are able to play very softly (pianissimo) or very loudly (fortissimo).  A
normal ear is one not only with good hearing but with a full dynamic range for different
intensities of sound.  A recruiting ear is one in which the dynamic range is narrowed or
contracted.  If sounds are heard at all they are heard in musical terms as 'fortissimo'. <P>. 

Nevertheless many people, perhaps the majority, who have hypersensitivity and hearing loss,
have hyperacusis rather than recruitment, or may have some degree of both.  Even if recruitment
exists it is possible to retrain the brain (central processing) to alter its appreciation of
loudness and accommodate the smaller dynamic range of the hearing impaired and recruiting
cochlea. <B> Where the hearing is normal, or near normal , hypersensitivity is always due to
hyperacusis (plus or minus phonophobia) and NEVER due to recruitment.</B> This concept
represents a fundamental change of thinking to traditional views given by many health care
professionals.<P>

<h2>Mechanisms of hyperacusis</h2>

The brain plays a big part in sensitivity to sound.  When sounds reach the inner ear, they are
coded into their individual frequency components.  The 10,000 fibres in the auditory nerve
carry information about the individual frequencies of each complex sound that we hear and
1/20 of a second later, these reach the sub-cortex of the hearing part of the brain (in the
temporal lobe) where conscious perception of sound occurs.  Until the message reaches
consciousness, no sound is heard.  During the passage of this coded signal it undergoes a
great deal of processing, similar to a computer, but much more complex.  The central
auditory system is first of all concerned with extracting important messages from
unimportant background noise.  Often the signal is relatively weak in strength, but strong in
meaning.  An example of this would be the detection of the quiet sound of a predator by an
animal living in a hostile environment.  Another example would be the ability to detect the
sound of one's name across a crowded room, while other names, even if spoken quite loudly
would go unnoticed. <P>

In the subconscious part of the brain, an important signal is detected on the basis of
previously learnt experience.  This signal may then be enhanced, and its passage facilitated in
nerve pathways. These pathways are not inert electrical cables, but complex neuronal or nerve 
networks which work  by changing electrical resistance between nerve cells in the pathway. 
This is somewhat similar to the switching that occurs in the telephone exchange to allow one
person to speak to another.  When the enhanced signal reaches the sub-cortex where
conscious perception will occur, the electrical pattern representing many different
frequencies (pitches or musical notes) has to be matched with another pattern that is held in
our hearing memory.  This pattern matching event may be very weak, resulting in a weak
perception of sound.  A strong pattern match results in a loud and intrusive sound perception. 
The strength of pattern matching and consequent sound perception is governed by the limbic
system (the centre of emotion and learning ).  The original purpose of this ability to amplify
small signals and to suppress others was to facilitate the detection of potential threats in the
environment.<P>


<H2>The Meaning of Loudness </H2>

Under normal circumstances we hear more intense sounds as seeming louder than quiet
sounds, but our perception of loudness is not dictated simply by the strength or intensity of
the sound arriving at the ear.  Some sounds become loud, intrusive and unpleasant
because of their meaning or association.  This is almost universally true for the sound created
by scratching chalk on a slate, or the sound of a burglar alarm down the street.  In most cases,
the association has some threatening qualities; Will the sound damage the ears?  Will it
disturb sleep?  Will it reduce life quality by reducing periods of quiet recreation?  Will it
interfere with concentration? <P>

Very often the over-sensitivity for sounds is begun by an irrational fear which nevertheless
becomes a very strongly held belief.  This is commonly the source of distress in those who
believe that their lives are ruined by environmental noise from nearby factories, generators or
low frequency sounds transmitted through the ground (which other people may be unable to
hear).  Because the central auditory processing mechanism is so powerful, it is possible to
"train" it by constantly listening to, and monitoring small sounds.  These weak sounds are 
turned them into very loud intrusive and unpleasant perceptions which become constantly
audible whether we like it or not. <P></H3>


<H2>The Limbic System and Emotional Response </H2>

Changes in emotional state, particularly mood fluctuations or anxiety can increase overall
arousal and make us more able to detect potential threats in our environment.  These
emotional changes can increase the apparent loudness and irritation of sounds to which we
are already hypersensitive.  In some people this results in a "global" hypersensitivity where
all stimuli, whether they be visual, auditory, olfactory (smell), taste or touch and pain are
increased greatly in their perceived intensity. <P>

The process of developing an increased sensitivity to sound always involves the limbic
system. Where phonophobia already exists its not difficult to understand the inevitable
association of fear, anger,  or irritation with the appearance of the sound whenever it occurs.
However with any situation where there is hyperacusis, a state of increased arousal is
induced, because of the enhancement of sound by the central auditory pathways. The
attentional focus becomes filled with the sound, so that interference with concentration (on
another task) occurs. The repeated appearance of sound which indicates annoyance, anger or
fear, results in the establishment of a subconscious <em>reflex</em> response with
automatic and invariable stimulation of the limbic and autonomic nervous system . Exactly
the same reactions of the nervous system occur naturally when we automatically take our foot
out of the road we are about to cross on hearing a car horn, only to discover the car is
disappearing in the other direction!  Protective reflexes have to carry a message of unpleasant
emotion, in order to ensure that a response occurs.  They also stimulate the autonomic nervous
system to prepare us for 'flight or fight' so there may be coincident increases in heart rate,
sweating, muscle tension, and other adrenaline-mediated body responses. 


<H2> Treatment of Hyperacusis  </H2>

<h3>With hearing loss</h3>

Where there is a hearing loss and a need for a hearing aid fitting, this must be done without
overloading the ear with amplified sound.  Many hearing aids have some form of
compression which stops loud sounds entering the hearing aid from being over-amplified. 
Automatic volume control is available on most hearing aids and non-linear compression is a
more advanced type, that may help some hearing impaired people with hyperacusis and/or
recruitment.<P>

In fitting hearing aids to sensitive ears, it is best to leave the ear canal as unoccluded as
possible.  Where there is simply a relatively small high frequency hearing loss, an "open"
mould should be used.  Where more amplification is needed, the mould should be vented to
allow the escape of unwanted high levels of low frequency sound.  Trials with different sorts
of ear moulds can often be very helpful. <P>

<H2>Avoidance of silence </H2>

Many people seek silence as a way to escape from the pressures of everyday life. However
complete silence is not found in nature, and should be considered 'unnatural'. Consider living
in a nest or animal burrow! In the relative silence of houses with doubled-glazed windows,
often hermetically sealed from the outside world, the absence of sound stimulation leads to
an increase in central auditory gain or 'amplification'. The auditory filters 'open' in an
attempt to monitor the external sound environment. External sounds may then increase
dramatically in their relative intensity and intrusiveness. Those with long histories of
disturbed sleep (often a symptom of mild depression, or anxiety dating from childhood) take
to wearing earplugs to exclude disturbing external sounds to facilitate getting off to sleep.
This further increases the effect of internal auditory amplification. Some people with hyperacusis
have a life-long aversion to sound intrusion of any kind. This may indicate a tendency
to be easily threatened by external events.<P>

When hyperacusis develops there  is a great temptation to plug the ear to exclude unwelcome
sounds. <B>This is actually making things worse,</b> as it encourages further increase in the
amplification of sounds on their way to the auditory (perceptual) cortex, and thus, when they
are detected in the absence of plugs, their perceived loudness is greatly increased. The
loudness of sound depends not on the strength of the signal leaving the ear, but on the
electrical voltage or potential reaching the cortex of the brain, after auditory processing.<P>

 The first step we take in desensitisation is a counselling, or retraining approach designed to remove the
need to plug or otherwise protect the ear from normal levels of environmental sound. Of
course overloud sounds that CAN damage the ear (e.g. gunshot, discos, industrial machinery
etc) requires appropriate protection. It is understandably difficult to accept that sound which
can be uncomfortable or even painful to the HEARING, can be quite harmless to the EAR.
<P>

<H2>Wide Band  Noise Generators (WBN)</H2>

Recent research has shown that the use of WBN applied to the ear by a white noise generator
(previously termed "masker") can in many cases help in the eventual abolition of abnormal
discomfort for loud sounds.  This is particularly true in the group who have normal or near
normal hearing.  WBN needs to be applied very gently and gradually to the ear beginning at a
very low level, and under the supervision of an audiologist with experience in this process of
desensitisation. The effect, which in some cases may be quite dramatic, results in a turning
down of central auditory 'gain' and a reduced perception of loudness for previously
distressing sounds. Over a period of months, due to changes in these auditory
neuronal networks, there is a permanent change in loudness discomfort, which can be
demonstrated by audiometric testing of loudness discomfort levels. In patients where a
severe increase of symptoms occurs, which genuinely persists after a good nights sleep, very
careful use of sound therapy needs to be applied, under the guidance of an experienced
professional.<P>

<H2> Retraining in Hyperacusis </H2>

Where phonophobia (fear of the sound) coexists, no permanent change in loudness
discomfort can be achieved without a successful behavioural programme aimed at reversing
inappropriate beliefs responsible for the phobic state. This is true for any phobia (e.g.
claustrophobia, arachnophobia, fear of heights etc). Where there is an irrational fear that
normal environmental noises may be damaging, it is important to "retrain" the auditory
system both at a conscious and subconscious level to respond in more appropriate manner. 
This involves the examination and discussion of the reasons behind the development for the
hypersensitivity and the fears held by the individual, whether felt to be real or imaginary,
about the effects of such noises and the strong emotions that they evoke. In many cases the
fears will have begun, or have been enhanced by <em> inappropriate negative
counselling</em>. This may come from professionals versed in 'conventional' outdated
knowledge about central auditory processing, or from poorly written 'patient advice' . Much
of what is passed around on the internet, for example, about hearing hypersensitivity is based
on old wisdom, or 'old wives tales! <P>

The whole process of desensitisation can take quite a long time, commonly six months to a
year, but is achievable in most cases.<P> 

References<P>

Hazell J.W.P., Sheldrake J. (1991) Hyperacusis and tinnitus. Proceedings of the Fourth
International Tinnitus Seminar, Bordeaux, 1991, edited by Aran and Dauman, p245-248 <P>

Jastreboff P.J., Hazell J.W.P, (1993) A neurophysiological approach to tinnitus:  Clinical
Implications.  Brit. J. Audiol. 27:7-17<P>

Sheldrake J.B., McKinney C.J., Hazell J.W.P., (1995) Practical aspects of retraining therapy. 
Proceedings of the Vth International Tinnitus Seminar Portland Oregon USA July 12-15. Ed
G.Reich & J Vernon, Publ. American Tinnitus Association, Portland OR 1996, p
537-538<P></H4>

<h3><A HREF="mailto:jon.hazell@ucl.ac.uk">Email us for comments or
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A few days ago I read that the Indians around Taos didnt have a lot of income. 
One of the sources of income was to sell off part of their reservations for 
oil drilling.

I didnt read that much oil was found. But if some gas was found, there might 
be natural gas pipes around Taos?

Regards, Anders

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Yes, there is a natural gas main that comes into Taos. I don't know what
you have read but I haven't seen any evidence of oil or gas exploration
in the local region. I don't think that the Tewa that live at Taos
Pueblo would permit it. Besides, now we have Indian gaming which is
doing quite well in the casino business.
During the UNM team visit we checked out subterranean sound and found
very little if any at all. Geophones were used to determine that.

The natural gas main is rather small. Probably 36 in pipe although I
haven't measured it.

Again, though, if natural gas were the explanation, how could it then be
sensed far into the mountains and out on the lakes far from natural gas
distribution systems? I could understand if the hum were only sensed in
homes and businesses that were connected to natural gas lines. I heard
the hum in my home before it was connected up to natural gas, even
before they ran a distribution leg up my road.

Sara

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>Again, though, if natural gas were the explanation, how could it 
>then be sensed far into the mountains and out on the lakes far from 
>natural gas distribution systems? 

I dont know how well vibrations travel in the ground. 
It is my impression that vibrations from a gas pipe cannot be sensed more than 2
miles from the gas-pipe. But I dont know.

So far we have been unable to measure vibrations from gas-pipes. We dont have 
measurement equipment which is sufficiently sensitive.

It costs $2000 to have a sound engineering company dig down an accellerometer, 
and document one reading, we dont have the funding for any repeated tests.
Only one accellerometer test has been done, and it was poorly documented. All we
know is 'that it didnt look signifact'.


Regards, Anders







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I jave been recording an unusual variation in the level of magnetic "noise"
over the last 12 hours. The magnetic field decreased as normal during the
night but the decrease seemed to be to a somewhat lower level. I thought
this may have been due to the equipment drifting (it is home-made after all)
but for a period after 06.30 hrs GMT (UTC) Friday 14th Nov. the locally
caused magnetic variations  around the graph midpoint almost disappeared
only to reappear with a much greater magnitude. 
Has anyone noticed whether the hum has shown any unusual changes ?

Regards,
Ron. 

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The hum increased markedly Friday, Nov. 7 until Monday Nov. 10. Tuesday
and Wednesday it was back to normal. This morning Nov. 14, it has again
increased in intensity but not to the level of Nov. 7 -10 (yet).

Ron, where are you located?

Sara

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At 02:10 PM 11/14/97 GMT, Ron Hill wrote:

>but for a period after 06.30 hrs GMT (UTC) Friday 14th Nov. the locally
>caused magnetic variations  around the graph midpoint almost disappeared
>only to reappear with a much greater magnitude. 
>Has anyone noticed whether the hum has shown any unusual changes ?

Hi Ron,
0630 hrs UTC would translate to 11/13-2230 PST.  At that time, here in
America's western region, the hum was very intense at about 5 on a scale of
6, where it has been most of the time at night for a couple of weeks anyway.
The hum was attenuated this morning at and before 8:05 PST, 16:05 UTC, but I
am not sure that this is not a subjective idiosyncracy associated with the
change from sleep to wakefulness, as it frequently is so for the first 60
minutes or so after rising.  

There have been some recent solar events which could have caused some
magnetic variations right around the time you mention, as follows (all times
UTC): 11/10 at 0730, 2313, 11/11 at 0826 and 2356.  These were DSF events
and it seems to take about three days for measurable effects to reach us.
Perhaps you were measuring the effects of one of those?

Judy
El Dorado, CA

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	I was particularly interested in perceived effects
	of the solar event, but have to report that I observed
	no change in hum level here in the "mountains" south
	of Livermore.  Allee samee for me!  Maybe the solar
	influence is on the observer, rather than the source.

	trr  
	
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Tom R. Rice                  WB6BYH           Lat:  37d 25m 10s N     
PO Box 2152                                  Long: 121d 30m 20s W          
Livermore, CA   94551                       Maidenhead Grid: CM97 
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Thanks Judy,
I wondered whether the solar flares could be responsible for the increased
magnetic variations - I did build the detector last week (in some hurry)
hoping to find out whether anything did affect us here in this part of the UK.
Something certainly seems to be happening, one way or another. Now I have to
try and correlate the observations that hearers on the list have passed on.

Regards,
Ron.

At 08:44 14/11/97 -0800, Judy wrote:
>At 02:10 PM 11/14/97 GMT, Ron Hill wrote:
>
>>but for a period after 06.30 hrs GMT (UTC) Friday 14th Nov. the locally
>>caused magnetic variations  around the graph midpoint almost disappeared
>>only to reappear with a much greater magnitude. 
>>Has anyone noticed whether the hum has shown any unusual changes ?
>
>Hi Ron,
>0630 hrs UTC would translate to 11/13-2230 PST.  At that time, here in
>America's western region, the hum was very intense at about 5 on a scale of
>6, where it has been most of the time at night for a couple of weeks anyway.
>The hum was attenuated this morning at and before 8:05 PST, 16:05 UTC, but I
>am not sure that this is not a subjective idiosyncracy associated with the
>change from sleep to wakefulness, as it frequently is so for the first 60
>minutes or so after rising.  
>
>There have been some recent solar events which could have caused some
>magnetic variations right around the time you mention, as follows (all times
>UTC): 11/10 at 0730, 2313, 11/11 at 0826 and 2356.  These were DSF events
>and it seems to take about three days for measurable effects to reach us.
>Perhaps you were measuring the effects of one of those?
>
>Judy
>El Dorado, CA

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It seems from the replies that hearers have kindly sent to me that there has
been a definite livening up of the hum. I will try and correlate the
information that you have passed on with the magnetic field detector changes.

Sara - I live in Suffolk (in the Eastern part of England). We are about 40
miles from the sea.

At 09:26 14/11/97 -0700, Sara Allen  wrote:
>The hum increased markedly Friday, Nov. 7 until Monday Nov. 10. Tuesday
>and Wednesday it was back to normal. This morning Nov. 14, it has again
>increased in intensity but not to the level of Nov. 7 -10 (yet).
>
>Ron, where are you located?

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Sara Allen:

John Dawes has written to me by regular mail (he does not have an internet
connection) and stated that he sent you a letter regarding some information
on the HUM and HAARP.  He wanted me to relay his mailing address to you so
that you might respond to his questions.

John Dawes
28 Hedwick Street
St. George
Bristol BS5 8EB
UK

Thank you,
nrh

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Hi,
I don't know if this has any significance to the hum that most of you are 
speaking about. I have Meniere's Disease and hear a lot of different sounds
....don't know which, if any, are acoustic. Last Thursday, November 6, I 
started having increased symptoms and at 6:15 PM began haering what I 
think is called 'roaring tinnitus'...both ears but stronger in the left. 
On Friday, November 7, starting at about 8:30 PM, I began having a bad 
asthma attack. Milder breathing problems since then, though moving very 
slowly. Yesterday at about 2 PM (all these are PST) I heard a loud sound 
again...not as strong as a week ago....then at 11:30 PM another bad asthma
attack. I kept records for several years about these symptoms and noticed
that my breathing problems seemed to be related to certain sounds. Have
had mild lung problems all my life....much worse in the mid-to-late 80's,
then seemed improved with only a couple of bad times in recent years, until 
this spring. Many problems then and again this fall.

Also, after reading that an ear doctor in Colorado feels that Vincent van 
Gogh was suffering, not from epilepsy, but from Meniere's Disease, I read 
as much as I could find of van Gogh's letters and journals and recognised 
many of the same symptoms that I was experiencing. Did a bit more 
reading and strongly suspect that the monstrous eruption of Krakatoa may
have played a part in his illness. 

My apologies if I'm off-topic here. 
Regards,
Nancy Hugo

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ronhill@mail.enterprise.net] wrote:

> I have been recording an unusual variation in the level of
> magnetic "noise"
> over the last 12 hours. 

Could you quantify that?

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On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Sara T. Allen wrote:
  >>
  >>The hum increased markedly Friday, Nov. 7 until Monday Nov. 10. Tuesday
  >>and Wednesday it was back to normal. This morning Nov. 14, it has again
  >>increased in intensity but not to the level of Nov. 7 -10 (yet).
  >>
  >>Ron, where are you located?
  >>
  >>Sara
  >>
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Sara
Thanks for the updated data, anyone else, any other locations??
record,record,record.
-=jse=-

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>Thanks for the updated data, anyone else, any other locations??
>record,record,record.
>-=jse=-

I do my best to ignore the hum, so it generally takes a while after a 
change before I become consciously aware of the change. And I'm pretty well 
convinced I'm hearing something different than anyone else on this group 
has reported. But for the past couple of weeks the hum has been much more 
active than it's been for some time. I've never discerned a difference in 
intensity of the hum, but what I hear cycles on and off, and it's been on a 
lot more lately.

Roy Lewallen

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Hi all!

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, "Sara T. Allen" <sallen@laplaza.org> wrote:

>The hum increased markedly Friday, Nov. 7 until Monday Nov. 10. Tuesday
>and Wednesday it was back to normal. This morning Nov. 14, it has again
>increased in intensity but not to the level of Nov. 7 -10 (yet).
>
>Ron, where are you located?
>
>Sara
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I thought I would add my two cents worth here, albeit a little late on this 
particular subject. But, due to the very definite differences here, I thought it 
might be of interest to someone.

I am quoting a letter I wrote to a friend on November 7th, 1997 at 1806 -1000 
(HST). That is Hawaii Standard Time, but I am a long way from Hawaii <sigh!>.

I am located on Adak Island in the Andreanof Island group, of the Alaska 
Aleutian Island Chain. We are located a littler west of 176 degrees W Longitude, 
and right close to 51 degrees N Latitude.

We are right on the Aleutian Trench (subduction zone), right in the middle of a 
cluster of volcanoes, and right on the "Ring of Fire". We experience an average 
of one earthquake per day. So the place is really rocking and rolling!

Anyway, the letter:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Surprise, surprise...No Hum! I got up today (November 7, 1997) at about 4:00 
>p.m. and realized there was no hum evident through my earplugs. Of course, 
>there is no hum without the earplugs either.

>It is like being an island unto myself. I am not connected to the rest of the 
>material universe via that incessant hum!

>All the same machinery is running here. I can discern the "individual" noises 
>like vehicles, furnaces and the power plant way up on the hill, but not that 
>all inclusive, all consuming background Hum that makes everything a single 
>aggregate entity. A ghastly soup consisting of self, others, structures, 
>machinery, noise, land, sea, air, etc.

>I thought my furnace must have quit, but no, as I took out my ear plugs, I 
>could hear it, along with all the normal noises on the island.

>Actually, it is a misnomer to call what I have been living with a hum. It has 
>been a constant rolling roar, day and night, with earplugs or no.

>It has been so much "here" in the last several months I have just accepted it 
>without question.

>The silence is eerie, but verrry nice!

>I feel relaxed without brain function interference.

>When I am doing something, each thought flows directly into action without 
>effort.

>With the hum, it is usually a great effort to connect thought with the intended 
>action. Quite often, the intended action doesn't even come about, but an error 
>occurs instead...like data through a modem connected to a noisy phone 
>line...garbage results.

>I could get used to this! But, alas, I am thinking about what is causing this 
>attenuation, or rather cessation!

>I am assuming, of course, the quiescence is a direct result of the shotgun 
>blast of particles from Old Sol!

Best regards,

Oliver
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I sure wonder if anyone else in these latitudes experienced a cessation or an 
attenuation of the "HUM" at that time?

Oh, of course! The UK is right in these latitudes as well! Anyone there (Ron or 
Julie) notice a difference on the 7th?

I also see from my notes: "Sunday, the 9th at 10:29 a.m. hum is back, really 
grinding, with a pronounced thump in it." 

And, "Wednesday the 12th, Hum is brutal!"

Also, at 8:13 p.m. on Wed. the 12th, we had a 4.9 earthquake. Nothing to be 
amazed at here. Just a small shaker.

Well, that's what's happening here. Back to the old grind. Ahhhhh, I mean old 
"HUM". Sheesh!

May good things happen to you all!

Oliver



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The past few nights the T-H has seemed more intense, here in East 
Tennessee - Oak Ridge.  Last night as I was trying to drift off to sleep 
I noticed the T-H was more pronounced than the noise from my 
house-heating circulating fan and heat pump - unusual.  I did get to 
sleep and later in the night when I awoke (as usual, around 4am, for 
biological needs) the T-H seemed back to its normal "have to concentrate 
to 'hear' it" level.

Ray

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We had four hummers inside a reasoably sound proofed room yesterday. It was a 
chinese box system. One sound proofed room suspended inside another 
soundproofed room. Airtight doors. Air, not vacuum between the two walls.

Everybody could hear the sounds of the body, blood pulsating and so on, and 
some could hear a little tinnitus unrelated to the hum experience. Nobody 
could hear any hum.

This was no surprise to me, which I hardly have to add..
To others it was  more unexpected.

Regards, Anders

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More data on the house.

No measurements were done in the house prior to the gas pipe experiment. (Some 
have been done later, but a rare opportunity to do useful mesasurements has 
been wasted)

The company responsible for the gas pipes sawed one meter out of the pipe 
running towards the house, presumably some distance from the house. 

Additionally a short pipe running to the meter on the outside of the house was 
disconnected. 

This brought the level of hum down to the level before the gas pipe was 
connected to the house. That means the teeth are not clattering in the mouth 
of the hummer any more...

The gas pipe has now been reconnected, but something clever has been done with 
the tubes to diminish the transmission of vibrations to the house. And the 
level of hum has stayed at the same level as when the house was disconnected.

Regards, Anders

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>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:22:05 -0800 (PST)
>From: "zeropoint" <zap@dnai.com>
>Subject: Northern Lights /sound  000
>To: "peter harwood" <cirril@hotmail.com>
>
>
>
><---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
>....................
>Dirk:  Getting the money is a good deal easier than you suppose.  The
>U.S. military will give you everything you would want, particularly if
>you do so in conjunction with the educational establishment with which
>you seem to be associated.  They do tend to require a 30% contribution
>from the researcher.
>
>Dept of the Navy 
>Dept of the Air Force 
>*Defense Special WEeapons Agency
>*Office of Secy of Defense Dir. Def. Research & Engineering
>*Special Operations Command
>*Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
>
>These are accessible through programs about which you can gain information
>by looking up D.O.D on the web.
>
>The ability of the skin to pick up sound is due to its being part of an
>organism - the central nervous system is at the heart of it.  In Vietnam,
>electronic noses were used to sniff the wiley little buggers out.  Lately,
>in the past few weeks, that technology is announced on tv as being very
>highly developed and commerically developed.
>
>I have seen auras and NASA employees are now in private business selling
>imaging devices.
>
>You must have heard of Kirlian photography!
>
>I did talk into the group about aural sensations of tones, but it is
>quite likely that the frequencies used in mass population control are
>perceived not only by ears and the mastoid bone, which conveys the 
>vibrations into the sensors making up the ear - more than the ear drum
>is involved, the ear is surprisingly complex and more deeply involved
>in the intellect as well, than is the eye.
>
>People have been taught to read using their skin.  One fellow can
>expose film with his mind to create images on film of what is in his
>head.
>
>Suppositions based on clouds passing before the reflective light of
>the moon are not well founded.  The current common paradigm cannot 
>well serve that which displaces it or radically expands it.
>
>It is a fact, for example, that one can restore sight to blind eyes,
>blind for a narrow range of pathology, by rubbing together the hands
>and fingers and applying them to the closed eyes of the blind.  This
>is done in spells of a few minutes, with the fingers being thoroughly
>shaken, as one would shake a thermometer, between applications.  
>
>One ought not to be "stodgy" in one's approach.  And it does help to
>have a solid background in the sciences of the body/mind.
>................................ zeropoint
>*************************
>
>From: jcomeaux@ptialaska.net
>Subject: Re: Northern Lights /sound
>Cc: zap@dnai.com
>
>Hi Dirk,
>	Looks like the skins have it for now. At least in my mind, until i hear 
>a more plausible explanation. 
>
>	Hear is why. First and foremost would be personal experience. I know 
>that the natural occurrence exist. Others collaborate- northern lights are low 
>in sky when the sound is perceived-move fairly fast across sky- long tubelike 
>strands seems to cascade towards the earth as wave passes overhead-one even 
>reported a static vibration of skin. 
>
>Piezo-Opto-electric/skin:                                                       
>                                  Most of this info on the skin was suppressed 
>for some time under National Security Order #756124. That was a result of, the 
>capture of the Lida Machine (A russian trance induction device) during the 
>Vietnam war, dolphin speech research program, and personal discoveries made by a 
>Dr.Patrick Flanagan while working on his Neurophone(tm). He is probably the one 
>who could explain the process associated with hearing(not with ears) the 
>northern lights.  
>	
>	I'm going to go a little further now and assume that when one person 
>claims to see another's aura it is also a result of the skins ability to "see". 
>No i don't see people's aura's. I'm just not a disbeliever any more.
>
>	I was watching Stephen Hawkings show and was surprised to hear a physist 
>talk of having to sense the cosmos to understand it. Seems i've heard that 
>before. jack
>
>From: Dirk Lummerzheim <lumm@odin.gi.alaska.edu>
>
>Hi Jack,
>
>Yes, hearing sound from the aurora is something that is rarely
>reported.  A few experiments have been conducted to find the source of
>the perception of that sound, but so far I am not aware of any
>positive conclusions.  I have not heard before about the piezo and/or
>opto-electric effect of human skin.  However, I would find it
>difficult to believe that the light that is issued from the aurora
>would trigger any opto-electric sensation.  The problem is, that there
>is so little light.  For example, the moon puts out much more light,
>and nobody reports that clouds covering or uncovering the moon lead to
>acoustic sensation.  Nor has anybody reported hearing a sunrise, or
>artificial light.
>
>There are possibilities of turning light into sound, as the energy in
>the light heats up a surface that is lighted.  If the light comes as a
>short impulse (like a flashlight), the heating of the lighted surface
>may occur fast enough to cause rapid expansion, resulting in a faint
>popping sound. This can actually be shown in a lab with a normal
>photographic flashlight.  But a flashlight is thousand-fold brighter
>than the brightest aurora, and thus the aurora is not able to produce
>sound with this mechanism.
>
>Energetic analysis suggests that sound perception is not a result of
>the light that we see, but results from another source of energy in
>the aurora.  However, interesting as the topic is, it is extremely
>difficult to understand what it is that observers are hearing.  There
>are few things that we know about "auroral sound": 
>  - Its perception is very dependent on the individual.  Of two people
>standing next to each other one may have an acoustic sensation, and the
>other may be incapable of hearing anything.
>  - No microphone has ever been able to detect the sound, even though
>microphones can be made much more sensitive than human ears.
>  - Exposure to light sources other than the aurora does not seem to
>result in sound perception.  Even exposure to electromagnetic pulses
>and waves (other than light) which are known to be associated with
>aurora does not seem to result in sound perception.
>
>This all points to a perception of something associated with aurora
>that "feels" like sound, very much like you suggest.  I think it would
>be a good experiment, if someone, who has "heard" the aurora, and thus
>knows what to listen for, ever hears the same thing during bright
>daylight.  We know that there is aurora in bright daylight, we just
>can't see it.  But if a person heard it, we could check if there was
>aurora at that time, or whether that same sound can occur from other
>non-aurora phenomena.  It would also be interesting to find out
>whether blind people can hear the aurora, or if the sound can be heard
>indoors.
>
>The biggest problem is, that it is nearly impossible to get support to
>do some coordinated and organized research into this subject, and thus
>very little work is done to find out what it is that people perceive
>as sound in aurora.
>
>Well, I guess this letter got longer than I anticipated, I hope I
>didn't bore you.
>
>--Dirk
>  +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>  | Dirk Lummerzheim, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska |
>  | lumm@gi.alaska.edu   907 474-7564   http://loke.gi.alaska.edu |
>  +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>
>
>
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> >Surprise, surprise...No Hum! I got up today (November 7, 1997) at about 4:00 
> >p.m. and realized there was no hum evident through my earplugs. Of course, 
> >there is no hum without the earplugs either.

Oliver,

I don't keep a diary of the wretched noise these days, I find it too depressing, but I do remember Friday 7 November and that 
weekend was more or less free of noise as I actually slept late on the Saturday morning, something that happens rarely since I 
started hearing the hum.
 
> >It is like being an island unto myself. I am not connected to the rest of the 
> >material universe via that incessant hum!
> 
> >All the same machinery is running here. I can discern the "individual" noises 
> >like vehicles, furnaces and the power plant way up on the hill, but not that 
> >all inclusive, all consuming background Hum that makes everything a single 
> >aggregate entity. A ghastly soup consisting of self, others, structures, 
> >machinery, noise, land, sea, air, etc.

> >Actually, it is a misnomer to call what I have been living with a hum. It has 
> >been a constant rolling roar, day and night, with earplugs or no.

> >I feel relaxed without brain function interference.
> 
> >When I am doing something, each thought flows directly into action without 
> >effort.
> 
> >With the hum, it is usually a great effort to connect thought with the intended 
> >action. Quite often, the intended action doesn't even come about, but an error 
> >occurs instead...like data through a modem connected to a noisy phone 
> >line...garbage results.

Oliver, I truly identify with all of the above, but have never been able to describe it so well!

> I also see from my notes: "Sunday, the 9th at 10:29 a.m. hum is back, really 
> grinding, with a pronounced thump in it." 

I think the hum did come back on the Sunday and gradually got worse till the night of Sunday, 16 November when it was MEGA, 
worse I think than I have every heard it in the whole 8 years I have lived with it (especially at 2am on the Monday morning).  I 
was finding it very difficult to concentrate on anything that day at work!  It has died down since then and last night (19th) I didn't 
hear it when I went to bed and I slept from 11.30pm till 7am without being woken (miracle of miracles).  I wonder what will await 
me tonight when I get home!!
 
Indeed, may good things happen to us all (starting perhaps with no HUMMMMMMMM!)

Julie
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At 09.53 GMT (UTC) today (19th Nov) my recorder started to show magnetic
field variations many times larger than normal.
Either my equipment has started to go berserk, or something else is causing
these disturbances. As I write this I notice that the swings in field
strength are still high and  increasing yet further.
I thought that I should put it on record just in case it ties up with anyone
elses  observations, hum or otherwise.

I would post a GIF of the things I'm getting but I am not sure whether this
is allowed on the list.

Regards, Ron 
( situated in the East of England) 

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I fairly recently joined this list and was just wondering -- when a group of
people who can hear the hum get together at one place do they agree on 1)
whether or not there is a hum, and 2) what it's characteristics are?

                                            Ken          Keasy@aol.com
                                                
In a message dated 97-11-19 07:38:58 EST, J.E.Parsons@uea.ac.uk writes:

<< 
 I don't keep a diary of the wretched noise these days, I find it too
depressing, but I do remember Friday 7 November and that 
 weekend was more or less free of noise as I actually slept late on the
Saturday morning, something that happens rarely since I 
 started hearing the hum. >>

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Hi Ken:

In the beginning, of Taos Hum-L there was a gentleman named Bernardo Meave (I
think that's spelled better this time) from Mexico City , Mexico who
mentioned a couple of times that his relatives, I believe including his
grandmother, who could hear the hum would do just what you are asking about;
sit around and discuss the various slight changes that they could percieve in
the Hum and agreed with each other about the exact timing and quality of the
changes.  I don't think any other groups have done this and communicated the
results on Hum-L, although perhaps I missed it.

Larry Grant  

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Hi Julie,

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Julie Parsons <J.E.Parsons@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
>
Re an earlier posting by juno@interserv.com:
>> >Surprise, surprise...No Hum! I got up today (November 7, 1997) at about 4:00 
>> >p.m. and realized there was no hum evident through my earplugs. Of course, 
>> >there is no hum without the earplugs either.
>
>Oliver,
>
>I don't keep a diary of the wretched noise these days, I find it too 
>depressing,...

I can certainly relate to that, as I do not keep much of a diary either for much 
the same reasons. But I made note of that period, because the lack of "hum" was 
so very obvious.

>... but I do remember Friday 7 November and that weekend was more or less free 
>of noise as I actually slept late on the Saturday morning, something that 
>happens rarely since I started hearing the hum.

To me, this is further evidence of the solar activity affecting the hum. 
Especially in the northern lattitudes where the Geomagnetic storming is greater 
than it is in the lower *latitudes*.

Whatever, it is very interesting that both you and I noticed a *lessening* of 
the hum and we are both at about the same latitude. Whereas, Sara, in New Mexico 
reported it having increased markedly Friday, Nov. 7 until Monday Nov. 10. 
 
>> >It is like being an island unto myself. I am not connected to the rest of  
>> >the material universe via that incessant hum!
>> 
>> >All the same machinery is running here. I can discern the "individual"  
>> >noises like vehicles, furnaces and the power plant way up on the hill, but 
>> >not that all inclusive, all consuming background Hum that makes everything a 
>> >single aggregate entity. A ghastly soup consisting of self, others, 
>> >stuctures, machinery, noise, land, sea, air, etc.
>
>> >Actually, it is a misnomer to call what I have been living with a hum. It 
>> >has been a constant rolling roar, day and night, with earplugs or no.
>
>> >I feel relaxed without brain function interference.
>> 
>> >When I am doing something, each thought flows directly into action without 
>> >effort.
>> 
>> >With the hum, it is usually a great effort to connect thought with the 
>> >intended action. Quite often, the intended action doesn't even come about, 
>> >but an error occurs instead...like data through a modem connected to a noisy 
>> >phone line...garbage results.
>
>Oliver, I truly identify with all of the above, but have never been able to 
>describe it so well!

So, perhaps the reported differences in "HUM" perception is not so much a matter 
of merely different locations, but of different lattitudes?

By the way, I Personally, I have been feeling absolutely *listless* for the past 
few days. I don't know whether it is the hum (which I haven't really paid much 
attention to) or a CME, or resultant Geomagnetic storming, or just me.

Anyway, that is just a side note, in case anyone else has felt similar. I heard 
one other person mention similar feelings.

>> I also see from my notes: "Sunday, the 9th at 10:29 a.m. hum is back, really 
>> grinding, with a pronounced thump in it." 
>
>I think the hum did come back on the Sunday and gradually got worse till the 
>night of Sunday, 16 November when it was MEGA, worse I think than I have every 
>heard it in the whole 8 years I have lived with it (especially at 2am on the 
>Monday morning). 

Gee, I wish I had kept notes for the 16th, I don't recall what happened on that 
date. Oh yes I do! We had a sizeable earthquake, 5.1 on the reichter scale. We 
were rocking and rolling for awhile there!

I am not certain what the connection is, but there is much theory that Solar 
activity directly affects the seismic activity on Earth. So, there may well be a 
tie in of Solar activity, seismic activity, and the perceived hum. I say, a 
possible tie-in, whether any of these is the *cause* of the another is only 
conjecture at this point.

>I was finding it very difficult to concentrate on anything that day at work!  
>It has died down since then and last night (19th) I didn't hear it when I went 
>to bed and I slept from 11.30pm till 7am without being woken (miracle of 
>miracles).  I wonder what will await me tonight when I get home!!

I believe it was the 19th when there was a pretty sizeable CME again on the sun! 
Judy has noted each time there has been one of those, her perceived hum in 
California has been noticeably attenuated.
> 
>Indeed, may good things happen to us all (starting perhaps with no HUMMMMMMMM!)

I certainly second that!
>
>Julie
>______________________________
>
>Julie Parsons
>j.e.parsons@uea.ac.uk


My very best to all,

Oliver Jopling <juno@interserv.com>

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The following article appeared in the Denver Post (Colorado) on Monday, 
Nov 24th, 1997.
--------- copied as faithfully as I could -----------
Headline (editors do the headlines): "Couple baffled by strange noise"

By The Associated Press

   MASONVILLE - A mysterious rumbling sound that used to keep some folks 
up at night has residents who live near this northern Colorado quarry 
town puzzled.

   "It was a vibration in the body - kind of like an electric motor 
humming somewhere way off in the distance," said Redstone Canyon resident 
Helen Edwards.  "It would be continuous for three, four, five, six days."

Her husband, Howard Edwards compared the hum to a muffled deisel engine 
or rushing water.

   The sound had haunted the couple since they first heard it in 1987 at 
their home near Masonville, which is southwest of Fort Collins.  Then, as 
suddenly as it began, it stopped.

   "It just went away, jusy like it came," Mrs. Edwards said.  "At this 
point it was just like a blessing because it just disappeared."

   But Bob and Claire Thrift, who live over the ridge in the Buckhorn 
Canyon, have continued to hear the sound they describe as a long, low 
rumble similar to a freight train without the whistle.

   However, the nearest tracks are near Bellview, 10 miles away as the 
crow flies.

   The sound's disappearance hasn't hindered the Edwards attempt to learn 
its source.  They've questioned dozens of people, including area 
industries, college professors and a physicist.

   Al Bedard, a physicist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric 
Administration in Boulder, said he's intrigued by the sound.  It could be 
a trick of the wind, he said.

   "There's some old literature that people in Boulder could actually 
hear trains over the Continental Divide in the Fraser area (25 to 30 
miles away) under certain conditions," Bedard said.

   "There's also a possibility that sounds could be generated by flow 
around some feature upstream from Masonville.  The wind blowing across an 
unusual rock formation could create a rumbling kind of noise, 
particularly for people hearing low frequencies."
-------- end of Denver Post article ------------

I have sent an e-mail note to Dr. Al Bedard offering to put him in touch 
with the T-H NewsList if he is interested - we'll see!

Ray Adams

Raymond K. Adams, Twice retired Educator/Engineer
E-mail:  RayAdams@utk.edu   -or-   rkadams@sacam.oren.ortn.edu
WWW:   http://sacam.oren.ortn.edu/~rkadams/homepage.html

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Re Masonville strange noise

Good! I have some contacts around Masonville and will ask. (If I
do not follow up with a posting, it's because they had nothing to
contribute.)

Ray Adams wrote:
 
> The following article appeared in the Denver Post (Colorado) on
> Monday, Nov 24th, 1997.
> --------- copied as faithfully as I could -----------
> Headline (editors do the headlines): "Couple baffled by strange noise"
> By The Associated Press
>    MASONVILLE - A mysterious rumbling sound that used to keep some
> folks
> up at night has residents who live near this northern Colorado quarry
> town puzzled.
> 
>    "It was a vibration in the body - kind of like an electric motor
> humming somewhere way off in the distance," said Redstone Canyon
> resident
> Helen Edwards.  "It would be continuous for three, four, five, six
> days."
> 
> Her husband, Howard Edwards compared the hum to a muffled deisel
> engine or rushing water.
> 
>    The sound had haunted the couple since they first heard it in 1987
> at
> their home near Masonville, which is southwest of Fort Collins.  Then,
> as
> suddenly as it began, it stopped.
> 
>    "It just went away, jusy like it came," Mrs. Edwards said.  "At
> this
> point it was just like a blessing because it just disappeared."
> 
>    But Bob and Claire Thrift, who live over the ridge in the Buckhorn
> Canyon, have continued to hear the sound they describe as a long, low
> rumble similar to a freight train without the whistle.
> 
>    However, the nearest tracks are near Bellview, 10 miles away as the
> crow flies.
> 
>    The sound's disappearance hasn't hindered the Edwards attempt to
> learn
> its source.  They've questioned dozens of people, including area
> industries, college professors and a physicist.
> 
>    Al Bedard, a physicist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> Administration in Boulder, said he's intrigued by the sound.  It could
> be a trick of the wind, he said.
> 
>    "There's some old literature that people in Boulder could actually
> hear trains over the Continental Divide in the Fraser area (25 to 30
> miles away) under certain conditions," Bedard said.
> 
>    "There's also a possibility that sounds could be generated by flow
> around some feature upstream from Masonville.  The wind blowing across
> an
> unusual rock formation could create a rumbling kind of noise,
> particularly for people hearing low frequencies."
> -------- end of Denver Post article ------------
> I have sent an e-mail note to Dr. Al Bedard offering to put him in
> touch
> with the T-H NewsList if he is interested - we'll see!
> Ray Adams

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At 02:24 PM 11/19/97 GMT, you wrote:
>At 09.53 GMT (UTC) today (19th Nov) my recorder started to show magnetic
>field variations many times larger than normal.

Could you provide specific values and your lat-long if you have it?

Thanks - Wes

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Our Christmas Recipe to you - from Steve & Laura (T.S.S.) 12/97

                    ** OVEN-DRIED JERKY ** 

  It's been a while (12/1993) since we last sent this recipe out, 
So here's a recipe so good that while you're making it the saliva 
will drip off your chin all the time you're doing it, it smells so 
good.. the finished product has just two things wrong with it: 
1) you eat it too fast & 2) your so-called friends eat it faster! 
Anybody can make the stuff, so my theory is to give them a nibble 
and when they want more, give them the recipe and let them make 
their own. 
  This particular jerky can be made from beef-flank, brisket, lean 
rump roast or top round steak - venison or the white meat from 
chicken or turkey.  Partially freezing the meat makes it easier to 
slice evenly.  Cut with the grain if you want your jerky chewy, 
across the grain for more tender, brittle jerky. 

	1-1/2 to 2 pounds lean boneless meat
	1/4 cup soy sauce (*I like Kikomon's flavor best)
	1 tablespoon Worcestershire (*Lee & Perrins)
	1/4 teaspoon EACH pepper & garlic powder
	1/2 teaspoon onion powder
	1 teaspoon hickory smoke-flavored salt 
                  (liquid smoke with pinch of salt ok too*)

   Trim and discard all fat from the meat (it becomes rancid). Cut 
meat in 1/8 to 1/4 inch thick slices.  If necessary, cut large slices 
to make strips about 1-1/2 inches wide and as long as possible. 
   In a bowl combine soy sauce, Worcestershire, pepper, garlic powder, 
onion powder and smoke-flavored salt.  Stir until seasonings are 
dissolved.  Add all the the meat strips and work them thoroughly into 
the mixture until all surfaces are well coated. (chop sticks or forks 
will do but I use my cleaned fingers:)  The meat will absorb most, if 
not all, the liquid. Cover tightly and let stand overnight in the 
refrigerator. Or you can let stand one hour and proceed.
   Shake off any excess liquid, arrange strips of meat close together, 
but no overlapping, directly on oven racks or cake rakes set in 
shallow, rimmed pans.  Dry meat in oven at the lowest possible setting 
150 degrees to 200 degrees (F) Flip every hour or two - until it feels 
hard and is dry to the  touch - 5 hours for chicken & turkey, 4 to 7 
hours for beef and vension. Pat off any beads of oil.  Cool and store 
in airtight plastic bags or in jars with tight fitting lids.  Keeps 
in refrigerator or at room temperature indefinitely.
   AND, MAN!! IS IT EVER GOOD!!!
   Personally, I like garlic buds the best- if you have one of those 
herb mortar and pestle things of glass, metal or ceramic, mash up a 
finely diced garlic bud with the pepper, onion powder and hickory- 
smoked salt until it is a greyish mess. To this add the liquids and 
proceed. 
   Such food is the greatest on hunting and fishing trips - nothing 
but highly flavored protein - and for nibbling on  when reading books 
at home or watching ball games - or anytime, it is the best there is.

                  -Steve Ekwall & Laura Conlon- 

             **   Merry Christmas World  1997 :)   **
         http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/jerky_recipe.shtml

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A true, although belated, Thanksgiving story.

It was a dark and bitterly cold night in rural Oregon about
10 years ago, Thanksgiving Day plus or minus. Earlier, I
had worried about ice on the road, but now it was too cold.

I was about half way back from Mt. Hood to Portland. My
headlights picked up the scene of a broken down pickup truck
with about 7 Mexican men standing nearby, trying to get warm.
I stopped. I understood them to say that the carburator of their
engine needed cleaning. So in the darkness I got my can of
ether/carburator cleaner/starter fluid and sprayed some into
the air intake. The engine still would not start. So I gave
them a ride in my truck to where they lived, about 35 miles
from Portland.

The next day -- and remember it had been quite dark -- I found
that they had inadvertently left about 95c in loose change in
my pickup bed. But I also found that -- O unspeakable horror --
instead of spraying into their engine with cleaner, I had used
black, tarry Instant Tire Chain.

I tried to find their apartment and their truck so I could pay
for my damage, but could not locate them again.

So that is my Thanksgiving Story. Be thankful that I'm not
there to be kind to you.

==============================================================
==============================================================
P.S. In my partial defense, this was evidently during an acute
phase of CFS dementia.
==============================================================
  "If you wish to attract the attention of any large organism,
be it elephant or bureaucracy, it helps to know where it feels
pain. But first, be damned sure you really want its FULL and
UNDIVIDED attention!" - Heinlein(?)
==============================================================
~<(:=)>

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Hello Wes,
I am sorry if it appears that I have ignored your messages but each reply
from me was returned undeliverable.
I had attached GIFs of my datalogger output to help make things clearer
(just a bit) but this may have been the problem.


At 12:27 14/11/97 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:24 PM 11/19/97 GMT,I wrote:
>>At 09.53 GMT (UTC) today (19th Nov) my recorder started to show magnetic
>>field variations many times larger than normal.
>
>Could you provide specific values and your lat-long if you have it?

That is somewhat difficult for me to do in absolute terms, The problem is
that I amplify the detector output and then feed the amplified signal into a
data recorder. I have no means of calibration but the datalogger trace gives
an effective idea of the relative magnetic field changes.

My lat-long is 52 deg 14 min N   x   0 deg  42 min E

At 16:00 08/12/97 +0800, you wrote:
>At 02:24 PM 11/19/97 GMT, you wrote:
>>At 09.53 GMT (UTC) today (19th Nov) my recorder started to show magnetic
>>field variations many times larger than normal.
>
>Could you provide specific values and your lat-long if you have it?
>
>Thanks - Wes
>
>
>

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Hi All,

Seems that a couple of Albuquerque TV stations
NBC AND ABC affiliates are in a race to see how
many brains they can FRY in New Mexico USA.

they are touting 250 KILL-O-WATTS power and bragging 5+ MEGAWATTS EFFECTIVE
RADIATED POWER!

With the UHF TV broadcast 470 - 800 megahertz
this was allowed at some facilities, but the pattern was "spread" in a
circle. With the RADAR beam that energy doesn't drop off as the
inverse square, so you get hit with something
comparable to sticking your head into a microwave oven (2.45 Ghz, 100
watts)about once a minute.

I think the folks at Phillips Labs that were trying to get the exposure
level for
"non-ionizing radiation"  down to levels well below this are going to be a
bit upset.

You would think that people in the News business would be a bit brighter
than this,
especially after the FCC-EPA has them using translators all over the state,
so that their primary signals could be lowered.

Best,    Frederick

