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Showing posts with label NSW. Show all posts

Wednesday, 6 May 2020

Is A Bow And Arrow Illegal In NSW - The Loose Cannon By Simon Munslow | 5 May 2020


I have written previously about Weapons Prohibition Act 1996, and unfair results that can arise from its all-encompassing wording, which makes even the submarine pressure hull in the park at Holbrook, and WW1 trench art, prohibited weapons. (Schedule 1, 1A (1).
The prohibition of some of the items listed is understandable, however the definition of flick knife ‘a knife that has a blade which opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by pressure applied to a button’ could be applied to many innocently owned folding knives where the screw between the bolster and blade has worked loose (Schedule 1 1(1).
A flame thrower is defined as ‘Any device that is of military design or any other device that is capable of projecting ignited incendiary fuel’- (Schedule 1, 1A (3).  So, a pressure can could be considered a flame thrower- so don’t try that James Bond trick any time soon.
Perhaps the most worrying is Sch 1 4(9) which prohibits:
‘Any device (regardless of composition) that is designed to propel or launch a bomb, grenade, rocket or missile by any means other than by means of an explosive, including a device known as a PVC cannon’.
Missile is not defined in the Act, but if one turns to the most commonly used interpretive aid in Australian Courts, the Macquarie Dictionary, it lists arrows as an example of a missile.
So, whilst clearly intended to target the PVC cannon- a tube used to fire frozen apples and oranges by using aerosol gas as a fuel, and a barbecue igniter as a trigger, (and which physics teachers love to demonstrate) captures the common bow and arrow.
I realise a lot of you are thinking at the moment, your daft, Game laws permit hunting with bows!
Yes, they do, but that does not mean that the bow is lawful!
You have to remember how much of an Ass the law can be!
Is this a mistake?  I do not think so.  This legislation has been written very broadly as a result of two things:
Policy Officers have not understood all of the permutations of weapon that could be involved, let alone quite possibly what they were seeking to prohibit, and there has been a desire to anticipate other types of devices, so the law has been written broadly.
The breadth of approach dovetails with another problem. Whether an offence has been committed or not often comes down to the interpretation of a Police Officer, and in some instances, the officer’s imagination, desire to protect the community from that imagination, plus the desire for a result.
Generally, Police do not go looking for this sort of prosecution, it would typically be by what a Police Officer considered a public order matter where someone had lodged a complaint, or a Policeman has wasted time attending your home in respect to an allegation of violence, or you have upset the officer, or for some other reason the officer is looking for a ‘result’.
Sadly, I see enough matters involving what I would class as petty criminal offences that to me should fall below a discretionary threshold decision of whether or not to be prosecute to cause me concern.
Should you go running off and lodge an application for a Prohibited Weapons Permit for a bow and arrow?
Here I can only speak for myself- and this is not advice- If I was just a bow hunter, I probably would not bother, but as a licenced firearms owner, I am particularly cautious about avoiding ANY breach of the law, including prohibited weapons legislation, because my firearms licence means so much to me, and a breach of the law for me, would have certain legal implications as a legal practitioner.
I am also conscious of an ‘attitude’ that some Police (thankfully not all) hold toward firearms owners and the impact of a culture of booking people in order to get a ‘result’, rather than the kind of community Policing / caution methodology used in other states that regards prosecution as a last resort.
If the Registry is concerned about a flood of Permit requests, from bow hunters, I make the following suggestion.
When I worked as a Regulatory Lawyer for the Commonwealth, we developed the concept of a Class licence, as a means of licensing everyone with certain types of equipment (ie CB radio) that we did not want to be bothered regulating. It worked well.
The logical choice here would be for the Commissioner to issue a Class Permit, that effectively grants a permit a device to certain types of prohibited weapon, which are held with a genuine reason for possession.
Another possibility would be a prosecution policy that removes low threshold offences from the realm of prosecution unless there is a significant aggravating factor.  The Director of Public Prosecutions in NSW has a clear policy in this regard, but I have been unable to find such a policy for Police.
The solution is quite easy- it just calls on some good will and common sense on behalf of regulators and a willingness to educate themselves about what they seek to regulate.
The outcome of such an approach would be that the public know where they stand, and at present, we do not.
Simon Munslow
National Firearms Lawyer
P: (02) 6299 9690
M: 0427 280 962
E: solicitor@bigpond.com
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Simon Munslow is a lawyer who has a lifelong interest in shooting, having acquired his first firearm at the age of nine, and has had an active interest in firearms law since writing a thesis on the topic over thirty years ago at University.
Simon Munslow practices extensively in Firearms Law matters throughout Australia.
He is a regular contributor to the Australian Sporting Shooter magazine’s website on Firearms law matters, has published articles on firearms reviews and firearms law, and occasionally is asked to comment in the broader media on firearms matters.
This article is written for general information only and does not constitute advice.
He can assist you with:
Criminal law & Administrative law and in particular that related to Firearms
• All firearms, weapons and game charges
• Avoiding & setting aside Apprehended Violence Orders
• Possession of unregistered firearms
• Unsafe transportation & storage matters
• Applications for prohibited weapons
• License Appeals
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• Importation & Customs problems
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Monday, 15 October 2018

Firearms Regulations. Public Safety, Ignorance, or Just Bloody Mindedness?!!!


Firearms License Categories NSW Australia.
Take a look at the various guns in these categories. Why are muzzle-loaders placed on a “B” class license with Center-fire firearms? Why are muzzle-loading pistols placed on an “H” class license with semi-automatic hand guns?!!!   I thought that licensing was all about public safety, but categorizing of muzzle-loading guns obviously has NOTHING to do with public safety!!!

What firearms are applicable to a Category A firearms licence? * Air rifles. * Rimfire rifles (other than self-loading). * Shotguns (other than pump action, lever action or self-loading). * Shotgun/rimfire combinations.

What firearms are applicable to a Category B firearms licence? * Muzzle-loading firearms (other than pistols). * Centre-fire rifles (other than self-loading). * Shotgun/centre-fire rifle combinations. * Lever action shotguns with a magazine capacity of no more than 5 rounds.

What firearms are applicable to a Category C firearms licence? * Self-loading rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity of no more than 10 rounds. * Self-loading shotguns with a magazine capacity of no more than 5 rounds. * Pump action shotguns with a magazine capacity of no more than 5 rounds. These firearms are prohibited except for limited purposes. Some firearms, specifically those adapted for military purposes, are excluded under all circumstances from this licence category.

What firearms are applicable to a Category D firearms licence? * Self-loading centre-fire rifles. * Self-loading rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. * Self-loading shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. * Pump action shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. * Lever action shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. * Any firearms to which a Category C licence applies.

What firearms are applicable to a Category H firearms licence? * Pistols (including revolvers, semi-automatic pistols, blank fire pistols, flintlock muzzle-loading pistols, Wheelock muzzle-loading pistols, matchlock muzzle-loading pistols and air pistols).


Wednesday, 20 September 2017

Help Dave get his guns back


David Dunstan is a farmer from the NSW town of Bungowannah. 

At 3:30am on Thursday 14th September, a man armed with a knife and piece of wood knocked on his back door.

David grabbed his unloaded 22 rifle to confront him - aware that the man had earlier confronted one if his neighbours who scared him off with a hockey stick. Dave managed to convince the man to sit in his car and drive him to the police station, while his wife called the police.

The police met David halfway down his driveway and placed his unwelcome guest under arrest.

The problem is, the police paid David another visit later in the morning to take his guns off him!

We've been working with David to try and see what can be done.  So we're starting this campaign to help him hire a lawyer who specialises in NSW firearms legislation to get his guns back.

We'd like to go further - we reckon he should be compensated for the loss of his firearms, not for his benefit, but to make a stand against this type of treatment by NSW Police.

So please help our campaign to help David get the legal representation he needs - and score a win on behalf of all shooters.
Help spread the word!

Saturday, 30 April 2016

Petition Update. Gun Paranoia Control.

Gun Paranoia, Toy Guns Illegal.
Keith Burgess
Armidale, Australia
30 APR 2016 — During a regular firearms check the attending Police Officer spotted a toy muzzle-loading pistol I had made many years ago for my 3 boys. The officer told me that if a member of the public were to see this toy gun & complain, that I could be charged with firearms offences.
I was hoping that my grandchildren could play with these toys, but now it seems that they can not. This paranoia gun control has to stop. PLEASE sign my petition.

"To the Honourable the Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales in Parliament assembled".
PARLIAMENT OF NEW SOUTH WALES.
Parliament House
6 Macquarie Street,
Sydney, NSW 2000.
The Petition of Keith H. Burgess.
President of the New England Colonial Living History Group.
Brings to the attention of the House the matter of firearms licensing in relation to muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded).
At this present time, working replica (replicas of original 17th and 18th century antique muzzle-loading pistols) muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types matchlock, wheellock, tinderlock, doglock, snaphance, and flintlock can only be owned by a person possessing a category H gun licence, and these pistols can only be legally fired on a registered gun range. This requirement excludes the use of these antique replicas for Living History and Historical Re-enactment purposes. It also excludes the use of these antique replicas for use as a back-up safety for muzzle-loader hunters hunting on private property who are hunting with single shot muzzle-loading rifles or smoothbores.
Historical Re-enactment groups and Living History organisations have re-enactment rules which preclude the use of live ammunition and preclude the use of a ramrod during any and all re-enactment displays. There is also a permit requirement; this permit is for historical re-enactment organisations wishing to conduct an historical re-enactment event involving the possession and use of firearms by participants. Clause 61 - Firearms Regulation 2006.
Replicas of muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types mentioned are slow to load and require a good deal of knowledge and training to ensure the workability of this type of gun. Ignition even when used by a competent person can not be guaranteed. Therefore these muzzle-loading guns are not suitable for criminal use.
The undersigned petitioners therefore ask the Legislative Assembly to change the licensing requirement for these replica antique muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded) from the present category H class licence to the category B class licence.



Saturday, 5 March 2016

UPDATE On Petition. Please Sign.




Some Facts About Muzzle-Loading Pistols.
Living Historians will always praise the workings of a muzzle-loading gun, because we have gone to the trouble over some years to learn how to make these primitive tools work. But the average person first acquiring a muzzle-loader is not likely to get much satisfaction out of it.
If the weather is damp then a muzzle-loader may not work because Black Powder attracts moisture & it may not take fire. If it is raining you have to first take a little tallow (rendered & cleaned animal fat) & sparingly smear it around the joints of the pan to help keep the water out. Then you need to use a cow’s knee lock cover (or similar shaped piece of leather) to place over the whole gun lock to keep the rain out. Of course in order to then fire this gun, you have to remove the lock cover & fire as quickly as you can before the lock gets wet.
There are many other skills to learn before you can use a muzzle-loading gun, & unless you are a lover of these guns you are not likely to bother learning the skills. Matchlocks & tinderlocks require a lit burning fuse to be attached to the gun to make it fire. Can you imagine trying to hide one of these in your pocket or under your clothing without catching yourself on fire?!!! Yet these primitive tools are considered a danger to the public & are placed on a restricted H class licence. Why? Simply because the people who make these laws know nothing about these muzzle-loaders & very little about any other firearms; Smoothbore muzzle-loaders require a B class licence in NSW, but smoothbore breach loading shotguns of modern manufacture only require an A class licence! Does this make any sense to you?

You may not be a lover of guns, you may not be a Living Historian or a Historical Re-enactor, but to us that are, these guns are an important part of what we do, an important part of our hobby & enjoyment. Please sign this petition to allow us to acquire these primitive guns on a B class licence which will allow us to carry these muzzle-loaders during club activities (even though they will not be loaded with live ammunition, only blanks when in public displays). Obviously they are not a risk to the general public, they can not be obtained without a licence & there are strict “reasons for purchase” rules that apply to a B class licence.
Thank you
Keith H. Burgess.

Thursday, 3 March 2016

PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION.


"To the Honourable the Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales in Parliament assembled".
PARLIAMENT OF NEW SOUTH WALES.
Parliament House
6 Macquarie Street,
Sydney, NSW 2000.
The Petition of Keith H. Burgess.
President of the New England Colonial Living History Group.
Brings to the attention of the House the matter of firearms licensing in relation to muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded).
At this present time, working replica (replicas of original 17th and 18th century antique muzzle-loading pistols) muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types matchlock, wheellock, tinderlock, doglock, snaphance, and flintlock can only be owned by a person possessing a category H gun licence, and these pistols can only be legally fired on a registered gun range. This requirement excludes the use of these antique replicas for Living History and Historical Re-enactment purposes. It also excludes the use of these antique replicas for use as a back-up safety for muzzle-loader hunters hunting on private property who are hunting with single shot muzzle-loading rifles or smoothbores.
Historical Re-enactment groups and Living History organisations have re-enactment rules which preclude the use of live ammunition and preclude the use of a ramrod during any and all re-enactment displays. There is also a permit requirement; this permit is for historical re-enactment organisations wishing to conduct an historical re-enactment event involving the possession and use of firearms by participants. Clause 61 - Firearms Regulation 2006.
Replicas of muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types mentioned are slow to load and require a good deal of knowledge and training to ensure the workability of this type of gun. Ignition even when used by a competent person can not be guaranteed. Therefore these muzzle-loading guns are not suitable for criminal use.
The undersigned petitioners therefore ask the Legislative Assembly to change the licensing requirement for these replica antique muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded) from the present category H class licence to the category B class licence.

Some Facts About Muzzle-Loading Pistols.
Living Historians will always praise the workings of a muzzle-loading gun, because we have gone to the trouble over some years to learn how to make these primitive tools work. But the average person first acquiring a muzzle-loader is not likely to get much satisfaction out of it.
If the weather is damp then a muzzle-loader may not work because Black Powder attracts moisture & it may not take fire. If it is raining you have to first take a little tallow (rendered & cleaned animal fat) & sparingly smear it around the joints of the pan to help keep the water out. Then you need to use a cow’s knee lock cover (or similar shaped piece of leather) to place over the whole gun lock to keep the rain out. Of course in order to then fire this gun, you have to remove the lock cover & fire as quickly as you can before the lock gets wet.
There are many other skills to learn before you can use a muzzle-loading gun, & unless you are a lover of these guns you are not likely to bother learning the skills. Matchlocks & tinderlocks require a lit burning fuse to be attached to the gun to make it fire. Can you imagine trying to hide one of these in your pocket or under your clothing without catching yourself on fire?!!! Yet these primitive tools are considered a danger to the public & are placed on a restricted H class licence. Why? Simply because the people who make these laws know nothing about these muzzle-loaders & very little about any other firearms. Smoothbore muzzle-loaders require a B class licence in NSW, but smoothbore breach loading shotguns of modern manufacture only require an A class licence! Does this make any sense to you?
You may not be a lover of guns, you may not be a Living Historian or a Historical Re-enactor, but to us that are, these guns are an important part of what we do, an important part of our hobby & enjoyment. Please sign this petition to allow us to acquire these primitive guns on a B class licence which will allow us to carry these muzzle-loaders during club activities (even though they will not be loaded with live ammunition, only blanks when in public displays). Obviously they are not a risk to the general public, they can not be obtained without a licence & there are strict “reasons for purchase” rules that apply to a B class licence.
Thank you
Keith H. Burgess.


Sunday, 28 February 2016

PLEASE SIGN: Fair and sensible firearms legislation for muzzle-loader users.


Please sign my petition.
Keith.

"To the Honourable the Speaker and Members of the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales in Parliament assembled".
PARLIAMENT OF NEW SOUTH WALES.
Parliament House
6 Macquarie Street,
Sydney, NSW 2000.
The Petition of Keith H. Burgess.
President of the New England Colonial Living History Group.
Brings to the attention of the House the matter of firearms licensing in relation to muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded).
At this present time, working replica (replicas of original 17th and 18th century antique muzzle-loading pistols) muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types matchlock, wheellock, tinderlock, doglock , snaphance, and flintlock can only be owned by a person possessing a category H gun licence, and these pistols can only be legally fired on a registered gun range. This requirement excludes the use of these antique replicas for Living History and Historical Re-enactment purposes. It also excludes the use of these antique replicas for use as a back-up safety for muzzle-loader hunters hunting on private property who are hunting with single shot muzzle-loading rifles or smoothbores.
Historical Re-enactment groups and Living History organisations have re-enactment rules which preclude the use of live ammunition and preclude the use of a ramrod during any and all re-enactment displays. There is also a permit requirement; this permit is for historical re-enactment organisations wishing to conduct an historical re-enactment event involving the possession and use of firearms by participants. Clause 61 - Firearms Regulation 2006.
Replicas of muzzle-loading pistols of the lock types mentioned are slow to load and require a good deal of knowledge and training to ensure the workability of this type of gun. Ignition even when used by a competent person can not be guaranteed. Therefore these muzzle-loading guns are not suitable for criminal use.
The undersigned petitioners therefore ask the Legislative Assembly to change the licensing requirement for these replica antique muzzle-loading pistols (percussion locks excluded) from the present category H class licence to the category B class licence.


Thursday, 24 December 2015

Firearms Owners In Australia Fail To Support Each Other.

This I think is a prime example of how firearms owners in Australia DO NOT support each other. Not only that, but the different factions or special interest groups within firearms associations also fail to support each other. No wonder we are slowly but surely losing our rights.
It is just about the end of another year, & this petition is now CLOSED. I would like to sincerely thank all those gun owners who supported my petition, ALL 25 OF YOU!!!
This was not only posted on facebook, but it was also posted on my blogs & other media outlets. Now whilst it is possible that many people did not agree with my petition, I find it hard to believe that I only got 25 signatures.
Keith.

Thursday, 16 July 2015

Reconstructed Eastern Woodland Indian Wigwam. Winter Scene.

This is the reconstructed woodland Indian wigwam that I built in our forest. You can see the drying rack to the right, & the outside fireplace with tripod just in front.


Thursday, 22 January 2015

The Truth About Firearms Ownership In Australia & Gun Legislation.



The general public do not seem to understand that the law abiding Australian firearms owner is NOT a criminal. Constantly there are calls for tougher firearms legislation, all aimed at making it harder for the legitimate would be law abiding gun owner to actually own a gun. The government have introduced more laws to make it even more difficult for gun owners to purchase ammunition, again, all aimed at law abiding citizens. What will it take for the general public, & the government to start making it harder for the criminals in our society to obtain guns.
We keep saying it over & over, take our guns away, & the only people with guns will be the police & the criminals. We do not have the right to own a gun to defend ourselves & our families from criminals, why not?! Who's bloody side are the politicians on? We, the law abiding citizen gun owners are doing all we can to protect our guns & keep them safe, but we need your help, the general public to do that. You should be out there demanding stiffer penalties for criminals involved in gun related crime. You should be out there demanding better health care for the mentally ill. You should be out there demanding that the government crack down on the sale & use of illegal drugs, this all affects the misuse of firearms in our community. 
So stop blaming us, we are NOT the enemy, we are NOT the criminal. We are just normal people trying to get on with our lives & enjoy the normal appreciation of firearms as they have been appreciated for hundreds of years. If you don't like guns, fine, but that does not give you the right to penalise us because we do like guns, we have a right to like guns, we have a right to own guns. We are free Australian citizens, & so long as we are not breaking any laws, we have the same rights as you. Don't be a party to making laws that will make us criminals.
Keith H. Burgess 23/01/2015.

Bullshit From The Greens.
“Following the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, the Howard government led the process of formulating the National Firearms agreement with the view of introducing and harmonising firearms laws across Australia. All semi-automatic long arm weapons were banned and a large-scale national buyback was instigated.
Since then, however, gun laws in NSW have been watered down due to political pressure from the Shooters Party, moving NSW away from the National Firearms agreement and increasing the number of guns and gun owners in NSW. http://davidshoebridge.org.au/portfolios-2/firearms/
Gun laws watered down? Can anyone tell me exactly what it is that we have now that we did not have then? Semi-auto guns are still banned in NSW. Pump action guns are restricted by licence to professional shooters only.

“New figures released today show that almost 200,000 native ducks have been shot dead by amateur hunters in NSW over the last five years. This industrial scale killing is said to be for the protection of rice crops. The Greens and animal rescuers are calling for an end to the amateur hunting of our native 
http://davidshoebridge.org.au/portfolios-2/firearms/
As far as I know, duck hunting has been banned in NSW for the past several years.
Traditional duck hunting was effectively banned under the Carr Government, but the passage of theGame and Feral Animal Control Further Amendment Act 2012 will re-introduce duck hunting under a system that puts limits on where, when and how many ducks can be hunted, but not in the usual form of open seasons.
Instead, in areas where the new Native Game Bird Management Committee considers populations need to be managed, licensed hunters will be allowed to shoot them.
“The application process has been streamlined through Game Council, which frees up resources to better help our farmers,” Mr Mumford said.
At least one ongoing hurdle remains for NSW hunters: opportunities to sit the compulsory waterfowl identification test (WIT) are currently limited. They are conducted by the Victorian government, the Victorian-based Field & Game Australia, and the NSW NPWS out of its Griffith office”.
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/low-key-start-for-nsw-duck-hunters
So what has happened is, that due to duck hunting being banned, the numbers of ducks have increased; which is a good thing, but, there are now more ducks feeding on farm crops. So the hunting of ducks is now restricted to farm crops only.
The Greens Firearms Policy.

FIREARMS

Revised March 2014
Principles
The Greens NSW believe:
 1. Public firearms policy should be concerned with the prevention of firearm violence and be directed towards the removal of objects that cause injury and death; (What they are saying is, that all firearms should be taken from law abiding citizens so that only the police & the criminals have firearms).
 2.    Public policy should be underpinned by World Health Organisation standards and the resolutions outlined Australasian Police Ministers Council Agreement on Firearms. ;( I have no idea what this means. Anyone?).
 3.    The availability of firearms contributes to violence in our society; (It may well do, but only the illegal guns available to criminals through the black market, NOT the guns owned & secured by law abiding licenced gun owners).
 4.    There must be a holistic approach to preventing gun violence, including:
 4.1    tough legislation to reduce firearm ownership; (We already have this. Application for a firearms licence includes a Police check of that person in regards to any criminal record).
4.2    education on the dangers of firearms; (We already have this, in the mandatory firearms licence test).
4.3    long term funding for programs that help to reduce gun violence; (I can’t argue with this one, but the Abbott government has cut funding to health care & social services, which is a great pity. Mental illness is a problem, & it is being ignored. Same with drugs; Both contribute to gun violence).
4.4    support for intelligence based policing to prevent firearm crime; and
4.5    ongoing funding for research into preventing gun violence. (This is really just so much dribble, I mean just what does this statement mean? We do not need to spend any more of the tax payers dollars, we already know where the problem lies. We need a better health service, we need to crack down on crime & drugs. End of story).
5.    The aims and tactics of the gun lobby must be publicly exposed. (They have already been made public. Whilst I will agree that there are some gun lobby factions out there that do not put forward sensible reforms, the majority of gun owners, like myself, only want a fair go. We are not out to reintroduce automatic or semi-auto guns, but we would like to reduce the cost to the law abiding gun owner & the tax payers of Australia by removing useless, pointless, & needless legislation).
6.    Rural owners of licensed firearms should limit their use of firearms to legitimate farm purposes and minimise disturbance of people on neighbouring properties. (Now what the bloody hell is this comment about? Now farmers are on the firing line?! We use our firearms for the shooting of feral animals, that is not only our right, but it is in fact our responsibility! Since when have we been known to interfere with our neighbours in this regard?!).
7.    That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm. (Well this will not likely ever happen, but this statement is being made by a Greens member who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. There are, & always will be, times when someone will need a firearm to protect themselves & their family. Just think sensibly yourself for a moment, what would you do if confronted in your own home by someone with a knife or an axe or a base ball bat who intends to injure you or kill you. You are the only one standing between this violent criminal & your family members. You think you have time to call the police? How long will they take to arrive? You & your loved ones could be dead by then. DO NOT say this could not happen, it has already for many people, & it will again. To say that we do not have the right to protect ourselves & our families is ridiculous & inhuman).
Policy detail 
The Greens NSW will work towards:
8. Legislation which brings NSW laws into line with the 1996 Australasian Police Ministers Agreement on firearms;
9. A total ban on the ownership, importation and use of semi-automatic firearms; (Personally I don’t have a problem with this, but guns of this type, already confiscated by the police, have been turning up at crime scenes! Military firearms have found their way onto the black market! Are we going to ban the use of these guns across the board? Police & Military as well?).
10. An improved firearms registration system in NSW; (We do not need an improved one, we already have a registration system in place. This needs removing all together so we can save the tax payer unneeded expense).
11. Improved cooperation between the NSW government and other levels of government in Australia to strengthen national uniform gun laws, firearms training and a national register of firearms; ( I do not agree with the register, but I agree with the rest. We do need sensible uniform firearms legislation Australia wide).
12. The development (with the appropriate rights of appeal and protection of privacy) of the most stringent mechanisms to ensure that those who are not fit and proper to possess a licence to own a gun do not get a licence;  (This is already in place).
13. Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licenses, including:
13.1 Conviction of violent offences within the past five years;
13.2 Being subject to an Apprehended or Domestic Violence Order within the past five years; and
13.3 Mental or physical fitness.  (Already in place; These comments are just pandering to the general public & anti-gun lobbyists to make the Greens look go0d).
14. The abolition of existing minors' permits;  (Stupid comment & totally irresponsible. We need to teach proper & safe gun use to minors so that they will be responsible & safe gun owners).
15. All persons seeking a licence being required to:
15.1 Have no criminal record involving violence, have a character reference from an authorised member of the community and the right of veto by household (immediate relatives or partners) members; (The criminal record part is just repeating what they have already said, & it is not necessary. This legislation is already in place. The rest of this comment is simply unreasonable. The applicant may not be known by an “authorised member of the community”, whoever that may be?! You think family members should have control over your life just because you don’t get on?! Total cods wallop).
15.2 Undergo a 28 day waiting period to enable check for a criminal record (including applications for a second or subsequent firearm); (The criminal record check is already done before the licence is issued, so this is rubbish. There is already a 28 day waiting period before you can purchase a gun, which again is a total waste of time & serves absolutely no purpose other than to frustrate the law abiding would-be gun owner).
15.3 Demonstrate safety knowledge; (Again, just repeating what they have already said, this requirement is already in place as part of the firearms licensing test).
15.4 Establish good and genuine reasons for possessing a licence (e.g. persons with an occupational requirement, e.g. primary producers, other rural purposes, security employees and professional shooters for nominated purposes or a member of an approved sports shooting association); (Nothing mentioned here about the recreational hunter or the person who needs to hunt for food. Yes, these people exist. Recreational hunters do a terrific job of cutting down the numbers of feral animals that are at present a threat to our environment & native wildlife. These hunters, despite what the Greens will tell you, do mote for the eradication of feral pests than any other organisation in Australia).
15.5 Undergo tests for licences conducted by the police, or an independent government body, rather than by members of the NSW Sporting Shooters' Association; and, (This would cost the tax payer even more money. The police department don’t have enough hours in the day to fight crime as it is, & the Greens want to give them more work to do! The licensing system is working just fine as it is, in fact, the firearms group members know more about firearms than the police do, & this is a known fact!).
15.6 Be required to renew licences at regular intervals with the payment of a fee to cover government costs, with licences to be issued for a period of no more than 5 years; (Already in place).
16. Sale and purchase of firearms and ammunition only through licenced firearms dealers; (Already in place).
17. Legislation that allows the sale of ammunition only for those firearms for which the purchaser is licensed, with a limitation on the amount of ammunition that can be purchased at any given time; (Already in place. In fact, there has been another stupid requirement added, which means that you can only purchase ammo for the guns registered in your name, & you have to produce the registration at the gun dealers! This means that the gun dealer now has your details & home address! These details are not secure! And my wife, though a licensed gun owner, can’t purchase ammo for her own gun because as a farm firearm it is registered in my name! How bloody stupid is that?!).
18. Registration of firearms at the time of purchase with details to be sent immediately to police for registration; (More work for the gun dealer & rather pointless, as there is already a record of the buyer)
19. A ban on mail-order sales of firearms and ammunition; (Already in place. Guns must be posted to a licensed gun dealer & picked up from there).
20. A state-wide register of all ammunition bought and sold in NSW; (What is the point of this, we have already demonstrated that there is a restriction on ammunition sales, so this would just add more expense for the Australian tax payer!).
21. A prohibition on guns being stored: (Guns being stored. What does this mean? We already have regulation gun safes which are mandatory, are they saying we should not have safes? Or are they talking about hoarding firearms? Having more than one firearm?).
21.1 In rural homes without good reason; and (In rural homes without good reason? Sorry, this one goes over my head. I thought we had already covered this one under rural land holder’s responsibilities?!).
21.2 In urban homes, except where a licence is granted for antique gun collectors (defined as manufactured prior to 1920) and the guns have been disabled; (What is all this about? The antique date by the way is 1901, NOT 1920, get your dates right! They want to ruin an antique by disabling it?! When there is no ammunition available for these guns anyway! Read the regs Greens).
22. All ammunition must be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms; ( Already in place)
23. Guns in urban areas are to be stored at gun clubs under lock and key, with firing mechanisms kept at designated police stations; (Ah yes, this is to make it easier for criminals to steal all the guns at once from just one place, brilliant, NOT!).
24. Regular unannounced checks by police or another enforcement body to ensure that individuals and clubs are abiding with firearm storage regulations; (Already in place, in fact this is NSW wide for all firearms owners, not just clubs).
25. Enforcement of regulations requiring guns in homes in rural communities to be kept in a metal box with a combination lock securely bolted to wall or floor, with firing mechanisms and ammunition locked in a similar box in a separate room; (Give me a break Greens. We already have regulation gun safes bolted to the floor, now you want us to put in more safes in another room of the house for ammo & actions?! We already have a separate locked safe for ammo & actions in the same room as part of present regulations. You are just trying to give us a hard time. When will you understand that the law abiding community is not the problem? WE are not the criminals here, so stop treating us as though we were!).
26. The immediate and mandatory police confiscation of all firearms from people who show themselves to be unfit to hold a licence, and where a license has been revoked - this is to apply to both interim domestic violence order and those who are subject to a domestic violence order; (I agree with most of this, but the wording “show themselves to be unfit” is a little ambiguous don’t you think? Just who makes this decision? No I don’t like that bit).
27. A permanent amnesty for the surrender of unauthorised firearms and strict penalties for those people found possessing unauthorised firearms; (Fair enough).
28. The development of a strict new set of training and testing procedures for all security guards with all existing security services being required to meet the new standards. (Well I am ex security, I owned my own security business, & the training required at the time to obtain a security licence was pretty stringent. I don’t see any point in adding unneeded requirements. There are some real nasty people getting security licences, but I fail to see how you can weed these people out with a test. It is the same with the police, some good ones, & some bad ones. If you can’t improve on the Australian police force, how do you imagine you can do any better with security personnel?).
The Newgreen Report By Chief Inspector Lex Newgreen,
Victorian Police.
End Firearm Registration. Chief Inspector Newgreen
Herald-Sun 2 November 1990.
 COMPULSORY Registration of all Firearms should be Abolished,


Regulation Gun Safes.

Greens NSW Firearms Policy PDF.