RE: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Martin van den Bemt
>But when I saw that Maven guys volunteered to make a plugin that outputs >the descriptor, I proposed the DTD which is plainly from the Forrest >extensions to Gump. I'm not a committer, just contributor ;) I was just willing to make the plugin, since the idea is good.. >Probably it means that

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Peter Donald wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:58, Daniel Rall wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter Donald wrote: Secondly make it so each project can have multiple vcs entrys (ie Avalon and it's 6 or 7, turbine with the same). Hmmm... this descriptor should have a 1-1

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:58, Daniel Rall wrote: > Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Peter Donald wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the > > > issue tracker to store enhancement requests. > > > > Hmmm, how about: > > > > http://..."/>

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Daniel Rall wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter Donald wrote: Hi, Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the issue tracker to store enhancement requests. Hmmm, how about: http://..."/> http://..."/> Naw, just about every tracker is used as a

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Costin Manolache wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:45, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: [...] Sounds good. What about the root element :-) ? It has been asked by many to change the root element to , and the to (or similar), but it should be made to work with both semantics, for

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Daniel Rall
Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the > > issue tracker to store enhancement requests. > > Hmmm, how about: > > http://..."/> > http://..."/> Naw, just about every tracker is used as

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Costin Manolache
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:45, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > Costin Manolache wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:03, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > > > > >>Costin Manolache wrote: > >> > >>>Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by > >>>all jakarta and xml projects ? >

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Costin Manolache wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:03, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by all jakarta and xml projects ? I understand we may need to add more stuff ( maybe using some ns: ), but I don't quite

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Costin Manolache
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:03, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Costin Manolache wrote: > > Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by > > all jakarta and xml projects ? > > > > I understand we may need to add more stuff ( maybe using some ns: ), > > but I don't quite

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Peter Donald wrote: Hi, Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the issue tracker to store enhancement requests. Hmmm, how about: http://..."/> http://..."/> Secondly make it so each project can have multiple vcs entrys (ie Avalon and it's 6 or 7, turbine with the same).

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Costin Manolache wrote: Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by all jakarta and xml projects ? I understand we may need to add more stuff ( maybe using some ns: ), but I don't quite understand why we need to change existing definitions. If you look at the proposed

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the issue tracker to store enhancement requests. Secondly make it so each project can have multiple vcs entrys (ie Avalon and it's 6 or 7, turbine with the same). I would also add a few more features. The two most improtant of

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread Costin Manolache
Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by all jakarta and xml projects ? I understand we may need to add more stuff ( maybe using some ns: ), but I don't quite understand why we need to change existing definitions. Costin On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 14:08, John Keyes

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread John Keyes
> > If the answer to above is yes : cool and from a maven perspective the above > > is what can be offered, based on the maven project.xml, and I can write a > > maven plugin to generate that xml. > > If you had something different in mind, please explain ;) > > What you propose is simply a

Re: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Martin van den Bemt wrote: See inline ;) _projectinfo.xml_ http://mysite.org/"; hostname="mysite.org" remotedir="/home/groups/m/my/myproject/htdocs"/> http://myvcs/"; url="http://myvcs/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/"/> http://myproject.org/mybugziulla/"/>

RE: Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread Martin van den Bemt
See inline ;) > _projectinfo.xml_ > > > > > > > http://mysite.org/"; > hostname="mysite.org" > remotedir="/home/groups/m/my/myproject/htdocs"/> > > root="http://myvcs/"; > url="http://myvcs/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/"/> > >

Common XML Project descriptor ( Re: Subtle barriers to entry )

2002-11-05 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: >>Personally I prefer to have two files: one describes the project, and it >>stays basically fixed; the other is more dynamic and changes frequently. >> >>_projectinfo.xml_ >> >>- goals >>- credits >>- license >>- resource URLs (site, mailing lists + archives, VCS stuff)

Re: [offline] Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Dohsorry stefano I meant to send that just to you fat fingers strike again. Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged > the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several >

[offline] Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged > the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several > times to no avail. > > there is no canonical /mailing-lists.html location to which > i can point people for j

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged > the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several > times to no avail. > > there is no canonical /mailing-lists.html location to which > i can point people for j random project, so i have to

RE: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
The general impression that that is too much info for a generic approach. Unless your goal is to redefine the project pages ;) I was more thinking in line of a "quick" view page, with all the projects with the most basic info (description, lists, cvs repo, latest version, project page link) So

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So do it. I put the link up for POI on this page: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html but I was afraid of retribution if I put it up for others. -Andy Costin Manolache wrote: On a related issue - I think it would be very nice to include a link to gmane news gateway. There are quite a

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
So just use gmane.org or pier's new nifty news.betaversion.org onces its off his DSL (somehow I don't think he wants everyone using it just yet ;-) ...but Pier is weird so maybe he does ;-) ) Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Chuck Murcko wrote: I've

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several times to no avail. there is no canonical /mailing-lists.html location to which i can point people for j random project, so i have to tell them to search the project site

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Is this just driven by the number of config questions and "suscribe" (and other) trolls to the dev lists? Or the rising percentage of doofuses in the net world? I knew we should never have let AOL hook up that gateway to the net. 8^) yes. yes. agreed.

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Martin van den Bemt wrote: We can always write a maven plugin to get the unified form spit out, for mavenized projects (don't know forrest, so cannot talk about that..).. Yes, this is sort of what I was thinking, we can easily do the same. Personally I prefer to have two files: one describes the

RE: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
We can always write a maven plugin to get the unified form spit out, for mavenized projects (don't know forrest, so cannot talk about that..).. Mvgr, Martin > > Actually, Gump has its own from the Alexandria one, and basically all > Java projects already have theirs. > Forrest extended it and

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Daniel Rall wrote: Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Chuck Murcko wrote: I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people can get on the mailing lists. since i answer

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Daniel Rall
Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > Chuck Murcko wrote: > > > > >>I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of > >>inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people > >>can get on the mailing lists. > > since i

RE: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Pier already has one running (last week or so). The discussion about that is on infrastructure though. Mvgr, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Costin Manolache [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sub

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Costin Manolache
On a related issue - I think it would be very nice to include a link to gmane news gateway. There are quite a few people using it ( I'm no longer directly subscribed to any list ), and I think it should be at least mentioned. I don't know if a news server taking the feed for US distribution or

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Ben Laurie
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Chuck Murcko wrote: I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people can get on the mailing lists. since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged the crap

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:14:24PM -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: > The mail archives also seem to be a joke. They lack a common look and > feel, sometimes they don't cover certain mail lists and other times they > just feel like poor quality user interfaces. There has been some action lately to try

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > Chuck Murcko wrote: > > > > I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of > > inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people > > can get on the mailing lists. > > since i answer the asf email,

Re: Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Chuck Murcko wrote: > > I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of > inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people > can get on the mailing lists. since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged the crap out of me, and about