Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 7 août 05, à 16:16, Noel J. Bergman a écrit : ... - Is there an issue? I don't think there is a general issue, but I see three points which might help: 1) Talking on lists that one doesn't know well is hard For me I feel much more comfortable on [email protected] than on other

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread David Crossley
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > I'll post here what I've told Noel and others elsewhere. > > At ApacheCon Eu two men who attended the Derby BOF said they don't like > to post to user lists because of the flame wars. One went further to say > that he doesn't always have the time to thoroughly research

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 17:36 +1000, David Crossley wrote: > Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > I'll post here what I've told Noel and others elsewhere. > > > > At ApacheCon Eu two men who attended the Derby BOF said they don't like > > to post to user lists because of the flame wars. One went further to

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 8 août 05, à 11:03, Henning Schmiedehausen a écrit : ...For example, there are a lot of people that tell me, when they met me in RL, that my mails sometimes sound very harsh because they often contain only a single sentence or so.. I don't think one-liners are a problem generally at the

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Henning Schmiedehausen a ?crit : > > >...For example, there are a lot of people that tell me, when they > >met me in RL, that my mails sometimes sound very harsh because they > >often contain only a single sentence or so.. > > I don't think one-liners are a problem

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 8 août 05, à 14:50, David Crossley a écrit : ...However, Henning's analysis is spot on. The necessary brevity could appear as harsh to some newcomers. Perhaps a page of tips about such issues might help such people feel more comfortable, and so we are all more productive... Agreed - brevity

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 8 août 05, à 14:50, David Crossley a écrit : ...However, Henning's analysis is spot on. The necessary brevity could appear as harsh to some newcomers. Perhaps a page of tips about such issues might help such people feel more comfortable, and so we are all more

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
I'd like to add to Bertrand's list: 4) Users logging a Jira bug to ask a technical question. It looks like a variant of #2 ('The "wrong list" syndrome') but has the added annoyance that activity is sent to the project dev list, to which the issue submitter may not be subscribed. Indeed the

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Jean T. Anderson wrote: ... Lately I've been adding a sincere "If that page/post doesn't help, please be sure to post back to this list!" This a good idea. But I think you can add more "cosmetic". As is currently it may be to strong for some people. ;-) Maybe something like: "If this

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: ... Lately I've been adding a sincere "If that page/post doesn't help, please be sure to post back to this list!" This a good idea. But I think you can add more "cosmetic". As is currently it may be to strong for some people. ;-) Maybe

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 8/7/05, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There has been quite a bit of discussion around the ASF, not always on open > lists, to the effect that sometimes people are turned off or scared off from > participation, whether in a discussion, project or the ASF as a whole. > > The

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread J.Pietschmann
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Agreed - brevity is because we're busy and we want to save the time of > our busy colleagues, [snip] I wondered whether QuickText https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&id=640 would help here. I never came around providing enough