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A new way to create and distibute music

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what if I only like 1 instrument and 1 sound of it and if others feel the same? So basically, if all combinations of the 9 melodies available were already sold I'll always get melodie 10 which I probably don't like as much as one of the first 9 melodies?
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Well, in this case where we have a limited edition, you better be the first to be served.

yeah, but that would mean that I'd need to listen to a lot of combinations before I do the purchase! It was only an example...I don't think people have that much time though...they just want to have the song as they heard it on the radio I'm afraid.

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Basically, people who wants to get this stuff needs are taking part of a club/community. When you come in this club you have to agree about the rules of the club (like HA). If you don’t respect the rule, you are excluded of the club (like HA). The main rule of the club is to keep this stuff for you. Now if you try to make money with this or you obviously feeding the illegal community, you could be prosecuted. I think it’s fair.

sure, that I have to agree to some sort of policy...but the question is whether people will do it (I wouldn't if my data is stored for years only for buying a song). So basically, I won't be able to re-sell my songs like I do with some of my CD's, right? If I don't like the song anymore I can just delete it...

I also won't be able to buy songs on someone else behalf...ie. a birthday present...if I do and this person somehow shares that song and get's busted I'm brought to trial...
--alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
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Reply #26 –
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what if I only like 1 instrument and 1 sound of it and if others feel the same? So basically, if all combinations of the 9 melodies available were already sold I'll always get melodie 10 which I probably don't like as much as one of the first 9 melodies?
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Well, in this case where we have a limited edition, you better be the first to be served.

yeah, but that would mean that I'd need to listen to a lot of combinations before I do the purchase! It was only an example...I don't think people have that much time though..

You have real time interface let you choose when you hear an extract. Even if the number of version is large, choice between possibilities is still small and very easy. As I said before, you can also ask to choose for you.

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they just want to have the song as they heard it on the radio I'm afraid.


That’s why also at this stage we offer just 10,000 tracks (for a band who sold million of albums). But future will tell…

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Basically, people who wants to get this stuff needs are taking part of a club/community. When you come in this club you have to agree about the rules of the club (like HA). If you don’t respect the rule, you are excluded of the club (like HA). The main rule of the club is to keep this stuff for you. Now if you try to make money with this or you obviously feeding the illegal community, you could be prosecuted. I think it’s fair.

sure, that I have to agree to some sort of policy...but the question is whether people will do it (I wouldn't if my data is stored for years only for buying a song). So basically, I won't be able to re-sell my songs like I do with some of my CD's, right? If I don't like the song anymore I can just delete it...

We don’t talk about Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, we are talking about art and artists so you better keep it. Sometimes I used to love a track, listen it a lot of time and finally got bored of it. Few years later, I was very happy to rediscover it.
Anyway, we should be able to offer a service giving you back the same track if you lost it.

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I also won't be able to buy songs on someone else behalf...ie. a birthday present...if I do and this person somehow shares that song and get's busted I'm brought to trial...

You could propose him/her to join the club…

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I also won't be able to buy songs on someone else behalf...ie. a birthday present...if I do and this person somehow shares that song and get's busted I'm brought to trial...

You could propose him/her to join the club…

yeah, that would be a nice present 

anyway, I hope you go lucky with this experiment, you've been thinking about it for two years, and I feel your ideas are clear. Good luck!


What I am not sure if this idea can change the way we listen music.

Maybe is the same kind of question Bill made (why would anyone need more than 640KB?), but why would anyone need/want 10000 versions of the same song? 

Will buying this preview give you a discount on the real cd?

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Reply #28 –
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anyway, I hope you go lucky with this experiment, you've been thinking about it for two years, and I feel your ideas are clear. Good luck!

I think the idea is clear and it needs to live now. 

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What I am not sure if this idea can change the way we listen music.

Each time the way the music was distributed, the way the music was created and listened has changed (radio, LP’s, CD’s, Internet).

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Maybe is the same kind of question Bill made (why would anyone need more than 640KB?), but why would anyone need/want 10000 versions of the same song?

The question is why one person would like to have one unique peace of music.
I think a part of the answer is in the quality.
Quality of the music (like it always should be in art) rather than quantity (like it was with business).
Quality of the service, like "Mr. Grinch" said above.
Quality of the members.

I have to mentioned that the value create on the content rather than the format is a good thing for listeners and artists. In this sense, the HA community (which is a reference for me) is interested in the quality and in the choice of the format.

The other part of the answer is in ACTION.  Let's make it happened...  and let's people chose... 

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Will buying this preview give you a discount on the real cd?

If I would be radical, I would say that you could easily find it for a very good price as soon as it will be on real CD (with the same old stuff on it).    oops, joking

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Reply #29 –
art, is more than the sum of its parts - its the combination which makes the difference - a special combination which works or which expresses something.

I really like the idea of "individual music", but i dont think that art can be "generated" from just putting a pool of modules in different combinations together.

The idea of being able to get a non-overcompressed version is nice, but except of that, the whole idea doesn't sound that revolutionary or interesting to me.

I was first hoping that it would be something like that i can pay the artist to do a slightly different version for my according to my wishes. Just choosing from a set of premade modules wouldn't work for me - classifications cannot cover all possible feelings and special cases. I would be very interested in being able to ask the artist of doing modified version of an album/song tailored to my wishes - at an affordable price. But i want to explain my wishes in my own words - not selecting from a pool of premade modules. So, in other words - getting a REAL individual piece of art, especially made for me.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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art, is more than the sum of its parts - its the combination which makes the difference - a special combination which works or which expresses something.

I really like the idea of "individual music", but i dont think that art can be "generated" from just putting a pool of modules in different combinations together.

We are not putting a pool of modules.
The artist decides which parts he wants to keep straight and which one he wants to open. The listener can choose which one will express something for him.

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The idea of being able to get a non-overcompressed version is nice, but except of that, the whole idea doesn't sound that revolutionary or interesting to me.

The idea is not new (Andy Warhol thought about it), but the application in the digital age is new.

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I was first hoping that it would be something like that i can pay the artist to do a slightly different version for my according to my wishes. Just choosing from a set of premade modules wouldn't work for me - classifications cannot cover all possible feelings and special cases. I would be very interested in being able to ask the artist of doing modified version of an album/song tailored to my wishes - at an affordable price. But i want to explain my wishes in my own words - not selecting from a pool of premade modules. So, in other words - getting a REAL individual piece of art, especially made for me.

The artist is really interested in the interpretation choose by the fan. He asked us to log it. So it’s a first step. In the other hand, you have to keep the place of the artist. He creates and proposes, you choose.

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Reply #31 –
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In the other hand, you have to keep the place of the artist. He creates and proposes, you choose.

Of course. I wasn't thinking about asking for example the artist for turning an album into something completely different - but more slight variations of it - basically, the artist creating one main piece, and then fans being able to ask for slight variations of it - not premade things but instead real individual wishes.
And of course the final say would be on the artists-side - if he doesn't want to do it, then he doesn't want to do it.

The approach with the "modules" instead sounds more like how its today already with remixes - with the only difference that there would be much more remixes and that those remixes are single pieces only sold to one person. But thats only pseudo-individual music, since the fan still chooses from a premade pool of "variations"(remixes).

Being able to contact the artist and ask for a slight variation of the work, in ones own words, would allow really individual music - and probably also put fans and artists MUCH more close together than it is nowadays.

edit: this of course wouldn't work with large-scale artists - but i'm not a fan of mass-produced music anyways - and for independent and unusual artists, this concept could imho work.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Well, you have to buy it on the artist site, so if you don’t, I doubt it’s a legit one…

That point wasn't stipulated very clearly in your first post.  I'm sorry I didn't assume that fact.

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Well, you have to buy it on the artist site, so if you don’t, I doubt it’s a legit one…

That point wasn't stipulated very clearly in your first post.  I'm sorry I didn't assume that fact.

My fault, I didn't mention it.

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Reply #35 –
Prodigy? THE Prodigy? this should be interesting... i'm an off-and-on fan of theirs and if the music's good, it should prove to be one hell of an experiment. are you connected? and if so, how?

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are you connected? and if so, how?

What do you mean?

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Reply #37 –
I have never bought music online, but I may give this a try!

In my opinion this is a very nice way to give the customer a way of choosing elements. I'm a big fan of variations (over some theme or another) so it will be interesting how this approach fares.

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are you connected? and if so, how?

What do you mean?

I imagine he is refering to the band - if you are connected to them or not, and if you are, in what way.

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are you connected? and if so, how?

What do you mean?

I imagine he is refering to the band - if you are connected to them or not, and if you are, in what way.

Well, I first met the manager for the presentation of the concept. He liked it. Then I presented the project to the label (Beggars Group/XL Recordings).

Finally, I have worked on this with Liam (the head of the band). We have created and selected the different variation. I made the different mixes. Liam approved it. He is very cool but he knows what he wants.

I hope you will like the result cos we have worked hard on it.

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Reply #40 –
Very cool stuff.  The site advertises a "classic mix" "headphone mix" "mix for DJs" and a "5.1 surround sound mix."

Is the "mix for DJs" the one with very light compression/limiting that you mentioned?

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Very cool stuff.  The site advertises a "classic mix" "headphone mix" "mix for DJs" and a "5.1 surround sound mix."

Is the "mix for DJs" the one with very light compression/limiting that you mentioned?
Hmm, I wasn't cool about this description for what I call the  "big" mix. It's not a dance version or dj version.
It's a version as I described before:
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•   Big mix: This mix has been made for big loudspeakers or sub bass equipped system. Sub bass and production have been added. According to the loudness race discussed here, compression and limitation are very light, so the dynamic and therefore the track is full of life . The format will be pcm 16/44.1 directly dithered/noise shaped from 24 bits.
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The rising at the end is particularly impressive  and I don’t talk about the 5.1 

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Reply #42 –
OMG, why have I ignored this thread for such a long time?

I used to be a huge Prodigy fan. I still remember seeing and hearing "Poison" for the first time. It had a big impact on me, and on my nickname. 

During the last couple of years, my interest in the band decreased somewhat, but I'm still very excited to hear the new stuff.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.

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Reply #43 –
I want to be sure I have this straight, because I think I may be interested in getting this track.  Is it correct to say the "mix for DJs" mentioned on the web site is the "mix with little compression" you described earlier?  Also, I presume the "headphone" mix has had some sort of crossfeed applied or is some kind of semi-binaural mix?

Also, both the "big mix" and the "headphone mix" are interesting to me (and the 5.1 mix to a lesser extent) - could I get both mix formats of the same version of the song?

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are you connected? and if so, how?

What do you mean?

I imagine he is refering to the band - if you are connected to them or not, and if you are, in what way.

yeah, that's what i meant -__-

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Well, I first met the manager for the presentation of the concept. He liked it. Then I presented the project to the label (Beggars Group/XL Recordings).

Finally, I have worked on this with Liam (the head of the band). We have created and selected the different variation. I made the different mixes. Liam approved it. He is very cool but he knows what he wants.

I hope you will like the result cos we have worked hard on it.

this sounds exceedingly exciting... however, if i understand the website correctly, only 5,000 "copies"? as in, if we don't make it in time, we won't have the chance to hear it ever again? =( well, either way, i'm in, at the very least to preview the music and buy if i like what i hear...

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Reply #46 –
So if someone has already created a version that I like, you'll refuse to sell that same version to me? That seems like a bad business decision. Since you have the ambition to replace the traditional distribution methods with yours, how do you propose to scale this up so that you can sell, say, 10 million copies of a song if each one has to be individual?

I guess this seems to me like a self-imposed limitation that is not in the best interest of the fans.

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So if someone has already created a version that I like, you'll refuse to sell that same version to me?

There are simply going to be 4 different mixes of the song available.  The "10,000 interpretations" thing means "there are 10,000 differences between the tracks", i.e. different effects, etc.

What it all boils down to is "The Prodigy makes 3 alternate mixes of lead single off their new album available for purchase online, including surround, headphone, and dynamic mixes"

marcan, have you or someone in Prodigy's management sent out a press release regarding this?  It would be nice to see this get some press so that other bands might do the same thing.

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Reply #48 –
This seems like a good idea in some ways.  From a music collectors standpoint it kinda sucks.  It means that for everyone song I'd need to get 4 different version of it.  Which is also a good thing for some collectors.  I personally feel things like a "heaphone mix" or whatever could just as easily be accomplished with a DSP.  Either way it's good to see someone thinking in ways other than DRM and all that non sense.  I'm just too poor to collect music with 4 mixes of each song.

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Reply #49 –
If this service is expanded, would it be possible to have tracks with vocals?
be different like everyone else