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Part Three – 30 years later – repost

Original post HERE.


Needless to say, the year of the miscarriage, two weeks before Christmas, left a somber mood in our house.  That coupled with my sister-in-law’s pending divorce, we all were a little frayed around the edges.  Oh heck, we were hamburger, all of us.  Just ground to a pulp.  But we tried to put a smile on it.

I couldn’t return to work as quickly as I would have liked.  My inflammatory bowel disease went into over-drive and well, let’s just say one cannot stand in an O.R. and work for hours on end and sit on a toilet for hours on end at the same time.  I asked for and received more time off.  I couldn’t do anything athletic and I quit the team I was on.  I would not realize it for years to come, but I was also depressed.  I carried the burden of self-blame for the miscarriage and I carried guilt for not being closer to the Lord.  Oh I talked to Him all the time.  Especially the first few years of marriage, after I realized, “Crap!  What the hell was I thinking?  Marriage is for real!”  I did a lot of praying!

Two months after the miscarriage, we made another baby.  I decided to hand in my resignation at work.   I gave them eight weeks notice.  Inside of me I felt I didn’t have the strength to work and carry a pregnancy.  I had also read that nurses in O.R.’s had a higher incidence of miscarriage than other nurses.  We were surrounded my many kinds of chemicals that we inhaled and handled every day.  That could have something to do with it.  It was during my years in the O.R. that I was diagnosed with allergies and developed mind-numbing migraines, sinus headaches, chronic sore throats and overall, my immune system seemed to weaken.  Not two weeks after leaving work I threatened to miscarry again.  I received an ultra-sound and saw the baby.  It was still alive and doing cartwheels in its own little swimming pool.  I was ten weeks pregnant and I could see its tiny hands and feet.  The ultrasound tech told me there was little hope for this one to survive.  I was bleeding heavily and he said he had never himself done a sound on such a little one under these circumstances and have it survive.  My doctor sent me home to lay down with bathroom privileges only.  It was a wait and see plan.

That December, shortly before the anniversary of our miscarriage, our first born arrived.  I’ll spare the details of the very long pregnancy and what I endured to get to #1’s birth date.  The birth was gruelling.  Unfortunately, I was allowed to give birth to a baby that was larger than 10 and a half pounds.  Vaginally.  It wasn’t pretty.  And though we loved our baby without question, #1 looked like an alien from E.T.’s planet.  What he endured as a result of that birth, and what I endured would affect us, both, even still to this day.  One hundred years ago, #1 would have died in my birth canal and I would have perished as well.   We were sitting on a law suit but, being a Christian, I believed it was wrong to sue anyone.

My recovery was slow.  #1 ate like a horse.  Bruised, battered and marked up pretty badly, the nurses covered the marks as best they could.  We still thought #1 was beautiful.  We were aware almost immediately that there were issues with the baby’s eyes but it wasn’t anything we couldn’t deal with when the time came.  And it did come.  I learned that the surgeons I worked with, along with other hospital staff were murmuring amongst each other.  I imagine our doctor got proper h e double hockey sticks from his peers.  I can imagine their interrogation went something like this:  ‘Doctor Know-it-all!  What the hell were you thinking letting our little Zoe have a baby that size?  Good God man, she’s a toothpick.  How’d that happen?  You’ll be lucky if she doesn’t sue the snot out of you.  Geesh.’

I went home and continued on with life but I was never the same again.  My insides had prolapsed while still in the hospital and I went home in a terrible state of mind and body.  I loved my baby but barely had the energy to do so.  I’m not sure in retrospect that I’ve ever caught my breath since then.

Addendum:  This is a three part series that ends with this post.

 

In case anyone else wants to know where I’m coming from, where I’ve been and where I’m headed.

Violet: “If I were asked which country in the world hates the US the most, I would have to say it’s Canada.”

Zoe:  I would say if I was asked, the U.S. does a fine job of hating itself and one another.  Then maybe China and North Korea might hate you more than Canadians.  Of course, I don’t know which Canadians or Canadian bloggers you are referring too.

Violet:  “I don’t know why, but it seems it’s a Canadian religion to bash Americans every chance they get. You know what’s odd? I almost never hear of Americans having vitriol for our neighbors North of the boarder.”

Zoe:  Almost never but sometimes?

Violet:  “I notice that you never talk about your own country on this blog, but persistently harp on every flaw Americans have. I’ve read many Canadian blogs but have had to bow out of all of them for this same reason.”

Zoe:  I gave up talking about my own country when my adult children assumed positions in the community and province that would expose them if people knew who their mom was and what she was writing online.  That’s also when I chose the option for search engines to ignore my blog.  I also moved here to this new url (14 years ago according to my WordPress Anniversary notice last week) when I made those decisions.  Up and until then I was followed by bloggers all over the world in the Christian community.  During that time I spoke up politically about Canada frequently as it pertained to religion, not just Christianity but often involving Islam.  I wrote frequently about honour killings and wrote a long article encouraging a former Premier to outlaw Sharia law.  The next day he did.  Did he see my article?  I don’t know.   The point being I was a prolific writer and at that time unafraid in regards to my government.  I have been a political person my entire life, having written to my Canadian government during my college years as well as being outspoken in the community, medical and educational system.  I’ve also had politicians in my family.  It’s in me.  As well I have been an advocate for the abused outside the church, for those with special needs, for those who are dying and in the mental health field.  At one point, I became very concerned about exposure and people figuring out who Zoe was/is.  I also developed a fear because I was outspoken regarding Islam and the honour killings happening here.  I was brave then.  I’m not now.  And though I wrote about this in a previous blog and during my busier blogging days, I was scared to death of a former friend’s “lover” who at one time was involved with (removed as this info. can still trigger me).  Shortly after being verbally and abusively in written form, attacked by her, my husband had to pick me up off the floor from being shattered in a million pieces as she told me I was an abomination to the Lord and responsible for raising and immoral and corrupt generation of children.  Narcissists love to hit you where your strengths are.  Meanwhile she’s carrying on an affair with a converted preacher (removed this info. as it is still triggering) guy.  But I’m the abomination.  And just sharing that there is too much information to put in a blog.

In my 30’s I fought for my life with severe illness, spending almost 2 years in bed, only later to be hospitalized and fighting for my life sick with intestinal disease as well as battling a body and mind that were deteriorating.  If I’m not mistaken, you suffer as well.  In my 40’s I began to deconstruct my religion and belief system understanding that I was falling apart emotionally and mentally due to Christian abuse and felt the extreme weight of guilt and shame for having taken part in it, raising my children in it, losing friends over it and being active in youth ministry.   As well, I began to develop deep understanding of the roots of original trauma from my youth.  I’ve never been the same since.  This blog is read by maybe 6 people though all kinds of people *follow* it and commenting here is at a minimum.  You have been privy I believe to some of my password protected posts and know some of the shit I’ve been through.  You also know I’m not a human being who ignores the humanity of other people.

Violet:  “We’re PEOPLE, Zoe. Just people, trying to get through our day despite being ruled by an imperfect government. Just like everyone else on earth.”

Zoe:  On the night I posted David Frum’s Twitter message, I had been texting my close friend who is American and lives in Michigan.  She told me she was terribly depressed about the U.S. President, the postal service debacle, and told me “Don’t come here, it’s awful!”  She forgot that we can’t go there as our border is not open.  My point being, she was terribly upset and in the years I’ve known her I have not heard her admit to this kind of depression.  I tried to lift her spirits and planned to talk to her the next day.  And so I did for several hours.  She kept asking why these people in the U.S. believed Trump.  How can they not see he’s lying, his narcissism, his cruelty.  We talked about David Frum’s Twitter message.  I found it interesting, so I posted it.  She hesitated to talk about the QAnon stuff because she knows it triggers me and I told her we both could talk about it since we both were upset about it.  I don’t go on and on in writing anymore Violet.  I’m tired.  I’m no longer going to invest in the behind the scenes explanations.  No one reads here because I write great instructive exposes on anything.  This is like a personal diary that I sometimes write poorly in and for the most part anyone that reads here and sometimes comments here has done so with grace.  I suspect many have moved on.   And that’s not a problem with me.  Every day I think about moving on too.  Often I can’t even form sentences anymore.  I might start something and not bother with commentary on it.  I’m just putting it here for something to do.

Anything I write regarding the U.S. is because I’m fucking shitless scared of the world we are living in.  Yes Violet, I’m a people too.  And yes, the U.S. is a big part of my life from the time my ancestors landed on your eastern shores.  The branch I was in stayed loyal to the throne and headed north.   Others stayed south.  In doing so, some of my ancestors died before they got here.  They were considered traitors.  Some of my ancestors came up the St. Lawrence and participated in establishing a Christian religion and nation by eliminating Indigenous peoples all in the name of Christ.

The U.S. Southern Baptists highly influenced the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church here in Canada and to tell you the truth, the U.S. was the bees knees and we were beneath them when it came to the one true religion.  Our speakers on creationism, evolution, abortion and demonic activity travelled from the U.S. to tell us all about it.  The gospel groups came from the U.S. to sing their praises.  Our printed materials for Sunday School came from the U.S.  to indoctrinate our children.  Our youth programming came from the U.S.  Seminars and mission events were held in the U.S.  We were inundated with the U.S. conservative evangelical movement and when the church growth movement started, we did it too.  During my short stint in Bible College some of our full-time profs were Americans.

We have friends and family in the U.S.  By the way, the U.S. family are very conservative and think we Canadians aren’t the sharpest tools in the tool chest.  Talk about vitriol.

When I came online in 2001 , to forums looking for help with spiritual abuse I knew not one Canadian.  When I started blogging a few years later, I still did not know one Canadian blogger.  When it came to Christian blogs they were American.  I literally lived in the American Christian world day and night online.  The books I read were written my American authors.  The forums were run by Americans.  It formed my world view both religiously and politically.  And though when I deconstructed what I use to believe I slowly left that world with as much grace as I could knowing that once again I was disappointing people I had networked with for years.

When I started writing as an agnostic and then an agnostic atheist I found only one online atheist woman and she was American.  She stopped blogging years ago.   Later I found John Loftus’s blog and though it was way out of my league that’s where I started to learn of others who had left Christianity and were blogging about it.  Then over the years, ex-Christian blogs blew up all over the place and guess what?  All American.  I was still fully engaged in the U.S. as we all wrote about, commented on and discussed leaving the faith.  I think a few other Canadians were in the mix but I no longer know as I myself don’t read hardly any blogs.  If you look at my list of blog sites, almost all of them are dormant as many people aren’t blogging anymore.  I still leave some of their blogs listed just in case by chance someone pops in here looking for information and maybe then they can find stuff that will help them with their doubt and changing beliefs.  Maybe they won’t feel so alone.

So I’ve just sat around in here, though less and less as the years pass by, toying a bit  I suppose with what might have been or what should have been.   Then Covid-19 startled not only me, but you and an entire universe with traumatic changes.  I decided to try and develop a cohesive way of learning about QAnon and trying to understand mom so that every single time I am in touch with her I am not literally slain and knocked off my feet for days, weeks &/or months at a time.  And I’m sorry but I can’t talk about QAnon without talking about the U.S. President, his government and the people who believe it.  And yes, we have QAnon here in Canada but every bit of mom’s stuff comes from U.S. websites.  So I am pissed beyond measure.  I’ve been traumatized since Trump came down the escalator.  I’m not the only one.  And yes I know people are dying and starving and killing one another and despairing.  I bloody well know that Violet.  And though you aren’t reading this, I’m content to know you’ve moved on because this blog doesn’t meet your expectations anymore.  Hell, it doesn’t meet mine, apart from the fact that I can come in here because it is my blog and prattle on about what ever it is that is making me sick to my stomach at the moment.

Violet:  “I initially came to this blog because we both had similar experiences of being beaten down by religion. Religion was something I was born into and had no control over when I was a child. Now I’m leaving this blog because because I’m being beaten down for being American…something I was also born into and have no control over. You can say I’m taking things too personally, but when I read post after post of hatred toward the US, I feel unwelcome here.”

Zoe:  You can take it personally.  If there’s anything I’ve learned now by age 64 is that a woman has every right to take whatever it is that she finds offensive and hateful and leave.  I don’t hate the U.S. Violet.  That is over the top.  It’s because I care that I’m angry, scared and traumatized by what’s going on.   I am taking what is going on in the U.S. personally.  You want to blame me for hating the U.S. go ahead.  I only hate Trump and the goons who once ran against him and all said on tape that he was terrible in every way shape or form.  Now they have bowed down to him and kissed his ass.  Yes, I take that personally because as the U.S. goes often the world goes and it damn well affects/effects Canadians too.  As well, right from the start, what is going on in the U.S. government reminds me hook, line and sinker of my days in church.  Is this all stuff for a therapist?  Yup.

Violet:  “I wish you only the best on your journey. My journey leads me elsewhere now.”

Zoe:  Okay.  You may feel unwelcome here.  I would never dispute what you feel.  For the sake of people who may read here and wonder, people who have the password to my password protected posts are not unwelcome and Violet, that includes you.  I don’t give my password out to just anybody.  There are people who have asked and I’ve said, no.  We are people and there’s so much more to both of us as human beings than what is shared on this one blog.

Addendum:  For those reading this, I apologize for the discomfort.  I’m feeling it too.  I do not expect anyone to feel they have to respond &/or comment.  We’re all entitled to come and go and to give voice.

“Say what you want to say and let the words fall out, honestly . . . ” (from the Brave song.)

Love/Hate Relationships

… ZOE ~

 

Summer of ’69, thirteen.

I had always believed. Not raised in a Christian fundamentalist home. Raised in a highly dysfunctional home.

A loving Jesus came in handy for a traumatized child.

Bible Camp and the born-againers threatened hell and told of a Jesus who not only loved but also hated. The same scenario I was nurtured in at home.

Not only did Jesus love me but He also judged me. Familiar.

Broken with no sure foundation, I took the bait.

 

My contribution to the comment section for Bruce’s blog post HERE.

Bolding emphasis added for my post here.

Trauma Lens

When you see that my blog is in private mode, I’m not in there blogging.  I’m taking a break because I’m over-loaded.  I close it for my own good.  I thought I’d open it again, as I found myself really delving in to my reality over at Jim’s blog in this post Pure Atheism.
The following is a comment I left that is my reality.  Over the years, as a result of a ton of reading, a ton of therapy, and putting so much together I understand that all of my writing (much of it all shredded except this blog) has been through the lens of trauma.  Generational – trauma.  Church/Christianity – trauma.  School – trauma.  Medicine – trauma.  Illness – trauma.  Death – trauma.  Politics – trauma.  Relationships – trauma.  Society – trauma.  Cultural – trauma.  Gas-lighting – trauma.  Hormones – trauma.  (Wait?  Hormones?)  :D
Okay,  okay Zoe!  We get it.  Point made.  My comment at Jim’s follows.  There’s a whole lot going on over there in the thread.  Jim was asking me what I think in regards to the questions he asked and I found myself actually explaining the difficulty I have sorting through stuff to actually get to the point where I can participate at the required level.  Meaning, can I just answer the question?  I realized, actually no and found myself confessing why?
Just keep in mind that my comment really didn’t have anything to do with the topic until after my confession and I dealt with my anxiety and then just concluded with what I think.  OMG, this is exhausting.  :mrgreen:

I’m curious as well Jim.

One of my issues, struggles, problems is my C-PTSD. (Where’s Victoria when I need her.) 🙂 Not an excuse. It is the default lens I exist in. It’s why I often don’t comment and when I do it’s not until days or weeks into thinking through and around and over and under a trauma world-view. Sometimes I enter into conversation prematurely. Meaning, I haven’t worked through the trauma enough to not be triggered by the topic(s).

I usually lack the confidence (I once had) to answer those types of questions. Rest assured though, I consider the content though I may not have a conclusion. Again, not an excuse. I’m just often troubled as I consider it through a trauma lens. For example, even the term “other connective practices” can trigger me. Naturally, my own experience with a family with mental illnesses, abuse, layers of trauma and belief-system trauma/abuse colours my feeling neurons and my cognitive neurons.

It’s not the authors or the commenters problem.

See I see the phrase “something besides atheism” and though you many not mean it, I read it as a derogatory statement. You’re looking for another conversation. I’m stuck at, “what’s wrong with atheism?”

My apologies for the sidetrack.

I will try to connect by saying for me, I think it likely that connective practices are natural. I don’t attach the word spiritual to them, though I understand the place holder that word is for the unexplained.

As for is there space for these practices? Yes. Tons of them are taking up space and always have. That is true. Does it make them true? I don’t know. I often think there are natural explanations. I cannot though come up with a natural explanation for humans tele-transporting to Neptune say for a weekend off, as my mother believes.

My mother who is a conspiracy theorist and the aliens are already here says they are true. She also knows that I consider myself an atheist and retorts that I am the most spiritual person she knows.

Which Is Better?

When your world starts to crumble, then what?  When your beliefs based on your experts doesn’t pan out like they said it would, then what?  When you start to consider, maybe I’ve been wrong.  My experts are wrong.  Now what?  When you are alone alone and your mind tormented with anger.  Doubt seeps in.  Confusion weighs you down.  Your depression starts to worsen.  You start to experience withdrawal that causes even deeper anxiety.  Panic.  Startled.  Frozen.  You slump.  You are trapped and the family you had around you is gone.  Worn out from all the years of trying to help.  Raised to be co-dependent.  Without real understanding, total enablers.  Mixed in the web of love and hate.  Truth and lies.  Gaslighting and contradictions.  Illness.

Mom has deteriorated.  My sibling saw her through two plate glass doors when taking some of her supplies to her.  No contact due to Covid-19.  She lives in a retirement home.  Sibling reports that mom has backed off her conspiracy evangelism but reports that mom seems despondent that none of what was suppose to have happened, happened.  I text back that it is to be expected when one’s world view crashes and burns.

Is it over?  No, not likely.  Mom has had many world views, many belief systems.  When one fails or doesn’t live up to her hope, her faith and expectations, usually another moves in to fill the spot.  Also, often, they all become one together.  All of the belief systems morph into one big miasmic field and before you know it a hypnotic trance comes over all of us as we encounter her smile again and her zest for zealotry.

I use to put posts like this into password-protected mode.  When I first started therapy many years ago it took me two years to say something out loud about my parents.  Two years.  Honour your father and mother.  Loyalty.  To speak negatively of them was sinful.  To bear their burden and the truth was honourable.  Enabling them kept me safe.  A survival technique that actually was helpful.  Then.  Then you start to give voice and you don’t know which is better.  Enabling or silence.

 

A Letter She’ll Never Read

*Trigger notification:  conspiracy stuff as well as personal stuff.

 

Dear Mom,

The day you told me the children at Sandy Hook Elementary school were actors and that it was all a hoax and those beautiful children did not die, I knew you were lost forever.

Your lostness began sooner than that though.  I remember your phone call on 9/11.  At first you were scared to death.   We’re under attack, we’re under attack!  Not long after you started to reveal the truth and started to repeat 9/11 conspiracy theories to me out loud.

Your lostness began sooner than that though.

You may not know this about me mom but most of my life I’ve wanted to rescue you.  And there was a time I felt so very frustrated with myself that I couldn’t reach you.  I exhausted myself trying to find a path to reach you.  I didn’t know that you were unreachable.  A part of me still thinks you can be reached.  Intellectually I know better.  Emotionally I still hope.  My therapist is helping me let go of that emotional hope.  She tells me I get it intellectually.  She tells me I’ve got that part all figured out.  The emotional part needs work.  I know you would be absolutely insulted that I wanted to rescue you.  Yes mom I know, you don’t need rescuing.

You may not know this mom but I’ve often blamed myself for not fighting back.  For not sitting down on that computer and showing you sites that debunk your conspiracy beliefs.  For not sitting down and untangling this mess.  Why did I not fight back?  Why didn’t I try harder?  Also, why didn’t I break total contact with you?  Therapy is helping me with these questions.  I actually did fight back.  I did try harder.  And for a time I did break contact.  Today I am tired.  Today I’ve stopped trying.  Today I do understand that the fight, the trying, the distance . . . did not change your beliefs or your personality.  It also didn’t change how you love.  Today I have some contact with you.   Today I am strong enough to have some contact with you and not beg some doctor or therapist as a result, to put me into a psyche ward because I must be crazy.

And now the Covid-19 hoax.  You’re locked into a long-term care facility and all visitors are restricted unless you are dying.  Only one of us can come in if you are dying.  Over the years you have become isolated with your belief and your constant evangelizing.  Your family limits their interaction because when they leave you or hang up the phone they are sorrowfully lost and depressed.

My goodness how your heart must break that we don’t believe you and you can’t reach us.  Oddly mom, my heart breaks in return for the very same reason.  It’s a terrible tug-of-war.

I was thinking about some other families who get to visit on the phone, or by online chat during this difficult time.  They can talk about the good old days and share happy memories.  Phone calls with you are only your overt conspiracy theories and how if we just believed like you we’d see it’s all going to be okay.  Gates and Soros sprayed poison over certain cities.  It’s a world-wide thing to control the population.  Only the immunocompromised will die.  It will only last for two weeks then everything will be wonderful.  Better than ever.  Just hang on.  You’ll see.

I love you mom.

 

 

 

 

The Journey

As long as I can remember I have lived every moment of every day and every night either consciously or unconsciously waiting for someone to die.

Along with the waiting I used my resources whatever they were, to fight their depression and their suicidal ideations as well as what I feared were homicidal ideations.

Every day.  Every night.  Trauma or the threat of trauma.

So many of us lived like this and couldn’t know what it was doing to us developmentally.  Technically on the outside, all looks well and good.  Inside we cannot know what is happening in our synaptic spaces.

I wish then I knew what I know now.  Isn’t that always the case for us all?  :)

I wish I had internalized that none of it was my fault.  It’s natural for children to believe it is their fault.

In some ways I wish I had been oblivious to the reality of those around me.

In some ways I wish I had not been born empathetic.  It is a good thing.  It also can leave one vulnerable in toxic systems, a not so good thing.

I could go on with my wishes probably ad nauseum.

What I know now is, whatever my body and mind were doing, they were coping mechanisms to try and save my life and it worked.  I’m still here.

So often in traumatic situations we hate what is going on with us.  We hate our symptoms and our illnesses.  We think we are bad because we have them.  Again, our fault.  Those were the messages I got from my parents who just plain old didn’t have a clue.  Those messages were highly reinforced in my born-again Christian years.  The place I went for refuge only to be re-traumatized over and over.

You know, I’m still here and so are you (whoever you are.)  :)  We’re here, we made it.  We get to keep on keeping on.  We may not always understand or get right down to all the *why’s* or the *why* . . . but I think often what is missing along the way is the truth that our coping mechanisms, even the not so good ones were there to help us try to survive.  So rather than carry shame about it, why not thank them?  It’s not so much that you did wrong, though you may have done wrong.  It’s that at the time what else could you literally do?