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Blame?

Bruce: “While I am in no way justifying what Long did, I can envision how overwhelming guilt drove him to massacre those he believed were the locus of his sin problem. Long planned to murder more sex workers, but fortunately, he was stopped before he could. Imagine how great a blood atonement he planned to make to Jesus to expiate his sexual sins.

Evangelical church leaders are falling all over themselves to “explain” Long’s heinous behavior. I wonder if they will take a long, hard look in the mirror and see that their “Biblical” teachings and preaching are the problem? Evangelicals will distance themselves from Long, deconstructing his life, and even saying that he was never a REAL Christian. ”

My thoughts are brief these days but for me it always starts at the beginning. You want to know why some Christians are able to justify their actions . . . examine the core teachings they were raised in.

Zoe: When we look at Genesis, we see this play out “in the beginning” so-to-speak. Over-whelming personal guilt (disobeyed) and embarrassment (saw that they were naked – sexual sin) when Adam sinned. In turn it drove him to commit the first female gender-related murder; “massacre” metaphorically speaking, of Eve . . . “the locus of his sin.” Lord, that woman you gave me!

Paradise to hell (punishment) in the twitch of a gonad . . . and therein all along as God had always known, the plan to start up His blood atonement plan that had already existed before Adam was on the scene. Adam murdered Eve by blaming Eve for his sin. Her fault. Her fault. It wasn’t the first murder though. He was only following God’s omnipotent plan. God’s story had a murder planned from the beginning. If one Adam can kill to atone, how many others can? After all, the Bible tells me so. After all, the Creator Himself possessed the master plan for “mass” murder that would all be revealed in time according to His perfect will.

It’s all there in their Bibles. If they look they’ll see with horror that they perpetuate the story-line over and over. The origins of “heinous behaviour” is in their book and it’s nothing new. It was there all along. Low and behold, the plan for dealing with it is there too.

In the mirror they see that not only wasn’t Long a “REAL Christian” . . . neither were they.

Poor Adam

Poor Adam, led astray by Eve. If she had not shared the apple with him he would have never seen her naked. 🙄

I enjoy looking back at Bruce Gerencser’s older posts and seeing the comments that I sometimes left.  I had a blog that I started titled Eve Garden God and wouldn’t you know it, I lost the password.  It was on the Blogger site, way back in the day.   I use to think it was the treatment of women in the evangelical church that first scratched the doubt in my soul, so to speak.  I use to get so tired of the church blaming women and then when called on it, they’d say, well yes, Adam is fully responsible but still . . . Eve.  Yeah, the snake serpent thingy in the garden didn’t deceive Adam, just Eve.  Personally, I don’t think there was a serpent in the garden.  I just think it was Adam’s penis that was the snake.  Alas, that’s another translation, I think.

Where was I?  Oh yes.  By the time I was just about to leave Christianity, I remember saying to some people who still considered me a Christian:  The only thing I take literally in the Bible is, “In the beginning.”  That’s it.  After that, forget it.  Who knows?  I sure don’t.  All I know is, Christianity and the whole story had a beginning.   As do all stories.

 

My Fault

This is dialogue I took down yesterday morning on a recent FoxNews segment on Justice with Judge Jeanine and Franklin Graham – Samaritan’s Purse.

JJ: “Why would God allow this kind of thing to happen?”

FG: “Well I don’t think God planned for this too happen. It’s because of the sin that’s in the world judge. Man has turned his back on God and sinned and we need to ask for God’s forgiveness and that’s what Easter is all about. It’s about God so loving the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ came to save sinners. He didn’t come to condemn the world but to save the world. And if we put our faith and trust in him he’ll forgive our sins and heal our hearts and he’ll change the course of our lives. And this pandemic, this is the result of a fallen world. A world that has turned its back on God and so I would encourage people to pray and just let’s ask, let’s ask God for help.”

Perhaps I should have posted this yesterday for Palm Sunday.  In prep of course for Easter.

You are vile.  You were born in sin.  God being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent set it up this way.  We didn’t get a say in it.  No free will here.

Yet, it’s not God’s fault.  Nope.  It’s your fault.  Mine too.  God set it up but it’s your fault, mine too.

You lousy, despicable, horrible worm-infested Zoe are responsible for this pandemic.

And the great witness of diverse Christians shout into the universe, “No, no Zoe.  You’ve got it all wrong.”  Then each of them presents “their” God.

Every So Often

I Am Reminded . . . it’s like seeing myself all over again.  Another place in time.  A comment I left this morning to someone called The Bride on Bruce’s blog.

 

Very interesting The Bride.

I spent many years (with regret now as I look back) in IFB churches here in Ontario Canada. Everything you write here I could say was true of my experience, including “staying” only for the doctrine.

When I look back I realize that staying as long as I did rotted me from the inside out. Every day wallowing in the constant barrage of wretchedness thrown at us. Being a very sensitive person, with childhood and adult trauma, I was very vulnerable to these messages (always backed up by scripture) about how wretched (worm), deceitful (Jeremiah) and unworthy (woman/Eve) I was/am.

As a woman who understands depression and self-deprecating beliefs I know now that staying as long as I did made me sicker. I knew it then as well, but this part of me that was damaged kept thinking “the church” would get it right one day &/or that I could make a difference. It was all wishful and hopeful thinking.

If your church shows nothing of warmth, compassion &/or healing . . . then I’d ask myself (as I once did) if I was willing to die for that supposed “doctrinally-sound” church? Any church that ad nauseum tells you you are “a piece of garbage” is an abusive church.

I tend to think you know this already.

I was not willing to die. I let go. Then I began to heal.

Be safe The Bride. If being there makes you worse, it’s no place to be. Show compassion to yourself.

New Book re: Ravi Zacharias

Back in my evangelical days, Ravi was a favoured Christian apologist.  I read three of his books.

As I look back from my vantage point now, most books I read by apologists left me with more questions than answers.  More uncertainty than certainty.  I don’t think they grounded my “faith” that the Bible was true at all.  If anything, apologetics pointed out to me the diversity inside Christianity.  This apologist says that, that apologist says this, scholarship here, scholarship there, here a Christian, there a Christian, every where a Christian Christian.

My struggle to believe these human authors, God’s go-to people, the true Christians, the real Christians, the ethical/moral Christians, the praying Christians, the studied Christians, the honourable Christians, the esteemed speakers of all thing “God” in all Its Triune glory, the “honest” Christians, lead me down that spiral staircase into the realm of:  Why so many different kinds of Christians?  Why so many Biblical interpretations?  Why so many Bibles?  Why don’t all the apologists and scholars agree?  If every *i* be dotted and every *t* be crossed, what the hell is going on?  Naturally, we all know it’s Eve’s fault.  That’s really what’s going on.  Never mind that guy behind the curtain.  God is God.  Leave it at that.  One day you’ll have your mansion over the hilltop.  For now, just believe.  Who cares what the truth is?  Who cares what the story is?

I’ve been following this story about Ravi Zacharias for awhile now.  It may be of some interest to someone here.

It very much reminds me of my days in the church.  Pastors who were not telling the truth.  Sordid details.  Those who confronted the abuse/lies (us) and those who turned a blind eye to the truth, refusing to consider that those men couldn’t possibly be guilty of (insert sordid details here).

Choosing to get-out to maintain our own integrity.  Struggling for years to find out that I do care about the truth and the story.  That’s why I’m now an atheist.  Though I no longer believe my former Christian story, I do care still, about the damage done to those who have been used and abused by my former story and its story-tellers.

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It Runs Deep

So I’m sitting here and thinking it’s better not to write when I feel like this, yet, when I feel like this I know I’m not alone and I must need to write in order to connect with those who also struggle with the “feels.”  My word.

I’ve just come off a two day migraine but I realize now it started before it started and now I’m in the hung-over phase.  The after-math.  A two day migraine that was anything but a two day migraine.

I have also spiralled into another depression.  It’s not suicidal but in so many ways “feels” fatal.  The walking wounded.  Eyes half-open, like I’ve been punched in a boxing match.  The joints so sore and after this migraine I woke to acute pain.  Pain over and above the chronic pain.  I realize just how much my body suffered as a result of the migraine.  Jaw clenched, neck and shoulder pain.  Hurts to be touched.  Scalp feels like someone has been pulling my hair out.  Eyes still sensitive to light.  Stretching feels like torture.

Is it any wonder that those of us who like to give words to our “feels” wonder about the wisdom of doing so?  We leave ourselves so vulnerable to thoughts and opinions and words of others.  Why would we throw ourselves out there like that/this?  Connection.  To remind ourselves and others that we aren’t alone.  Even though intellectually I know I’m not alone, emotionally, my word it’s difficult when the “feels” just keep you feeling alone.

This morning as I woke up, hunched over so much it shocked me, and my brain listened to the knees object, I felt poisoned.  I felt attacked.  And for a fleeting moment, before I shook my cobwebs out, I remembered deep within how it use to be.  The concept that our pain was our fault, or the fault of ancestor’s, of sin, and that we and others were collectively to blame.  Eve.

And so I lived with feeling that my pain was Satan attacking me, or my pain was allowing God to use me, or my pain was to teach me some higher ideal, or my pain was meant to get me to repent of some deep dark hidden secret that I refused to acknowledge or was in denial about.  So broken.  A body weeping. And though I’m removed from those beliefs now, I’m not sure the brain/mind/body connection in and of itself ever totally breaks away from it.  Our body and mind remembers things we are no longer necessarily consciously aware of.  We move on in our lives, but stuff is still there.  The “feels” run deep.  The mind and body tucks the memories here and there.  Pain use to mean something.  Then you learn and change your mind about that but underneath it still unexpectedly comes up when you get out of bed.  “I’m being attacked.”  Satan.

It’s sad.  And I feel sad not only about my former belief but the beliefs of others who believe such things still to this day.  And the damage it did, and does and will continue to do.  Sorting it out takes time but I believe honestly, for many of us, depending perhaps on personality type, chemistry, life experiences, even with time, sorting may not ever totally be done.  The kindest thing I can do for myself is to keep reminding myself, it’s okay to feel rotten when you feel rotten.  It’s okay to weep.  You have not failed as those who once said you did.  You are human.

Bandages – A Repost

I’ve been at this blogging a long time now.  The old order, a lot of us, have moved on or we’re quiet.  A new wave of young doubters and deconverters have made their way to the internet.  Now they tell their stories.  I see things that they write that remind me of my past writing.  My best writing I think because I was younger then and though still very weary and tired I felt a purpose in my writing that I don’t feel now.

There is a phrase that Siriusbizinus uses below:  “ripping a bandage off” that reminded me of a few posts I wrote back in the day.  I decided to look them up and repost them.  The first two were originally written in 2004.  The last one in 2006 as a follow-up to the first.  You can see a period of two years has passed between them.

I don’t expect new readers to delve into my Archives.  It’s even an arduous task for me.  Though I’ve already been there, done that, I felt a connection here that reminded me that we are not alone, those of us on this path.  Bandages.

By Siriusbizinus at Amusing Nonsense

[…]

It takes practice to overcome these.
It feels like ripping a bandage off of a hairy patch of skin. The initial pain is not pleasant, but it dulls over time. For different people leaving Christianity, there are different tolerances of pain. Some messages cause more ruin than others.

[…]

The Bandages Of Fundamentalism

“My brain had been bound as tightly as the feet of a Chinese woman, and I had read that when the bandages were taken off, the pain was excruciating. The restraints had been removed too late and she would never walk normally again.” – Karen Armstrong, The Spiral Staircase, My Climb out of Darkness.

When I read this, I put the book down, took out a writing pad, grabbed my pen & wrote two pages of thoughts. All sparked by this one passage in Karen’s book.It jumped out at me immediately. To read the context of her comments you’ll have to read her book.

What jumped out at me such that I literally stopped reading, was what I saw as a perfect analogy of what happens to one’s mind when immersed in the culture of fundamentalism.

Whether at first, you jump in with both feet or are slowly drawn in, one foot at a time, eventually, the brain becomes so bound with the restrictive bandages of legalism born through literalism, leading to extremism…that one has just lost the ability to think or believe anything independently.

For women, it is especially difficult. Karen mentioned the binding of Chinese women’s feet. I learned recently that this practice of binding the feet of these women started when they were little girls, the age of two. The practice involved the breaking of every bone in the foot, then wrapping them tightly. Small feet were seen as noble I guess, as well as stimulating for the men. As the procedure was explained I started to cry. I turned to my husband & said, “Why were women so hated?”

How is it, we take little girls, break every bone in their foot, wrap it so tightly that when she is old, you can hardly distinguish the evidence of toes as they are now all molded together, no longer independent, forming this fleshly peg at the bottom of her leg?

This reminds me of the trampling/bandaging of women’s spirits within fundamentalism. The persistent, subtle wrappings/reminders that they are all Eve’s…deceived by the evil one…responsible for Adam’s fall, the death of Christ…and not worthy to teach, lead &/or preach…submit woman & be silent!

People who mercifully escape fundamentalism or perhaps are even rescued out of it, often find the process of unbinding their brains, very painful. Some find it so painful they fall into deep depressions, some even consider ending their lives & perhaps some do…it hurts too much. Others may not fall into deep depressions, but struggle with emotions such as, sadness, guilt, shame, fear, rejection, and anxiety, to name a few.

Taking the bandages of fundamentalism off, hurts. I’d like to think that it’s possible to “walk normally again” for those who have had the bandages of fundamentalism removed.

Originally blogged in 2004. (Repost from my Archives)

Imagine

Parents: Today is the day we take our beloved daughter’s feet in our hands in order to do what is best for her. We want to honour her and give to her all that she can possess. At this tender age we will break every bone in each foot to take away its created form. This is the time to begin. The bones are no longer the soft bones of a baby, nor the rigid bones of an adult. They are just right for breaking & malleable enough to mold into its new form by wrapping the bandages as tightly as possible.

Today, we begin to restrict her growth. It won’t be easy. It will take years of persistence to achieve our desired goal. She may complain, ask “why?”, and question the traditions…but we love her, we know what is best for her. We know this is right. There is no other way.

Me: So, the journey begins for the beloved girl. Those who love her believe that her little toddler-sized feet need to remain toddler-sized. Her feet must intentionally be repeatedly broken & bound tightly with bandages in order to keep them from growing. Tiny is best.

The little girl has no choice in the matter. She does what she’s told & believes what she’s told. Early she is broken. She doesn’t know that her life has permanently been changed. She does not know the consequences of being broken.

There are grown women who know. They remain silent though. They were broken, too.

Originally blogged in 2004. (Repost from my Archives)

Removing The Bandages

So, am I walking normally again? Depends on what you mean by normal. Are the bandages off? Yes. Did it hurt? A bit at times, more at other times, hardly at all in some cases.

When you start to unravel the bandages you don’t realize at first just how many layers there are to unravel. As well, you don’t realize how many layers there are to each layer there is. Don’t ask me to explain that.

All I know is, that with each layer of healing that comes along, one breathes a little sigh of relief & thinks, maybe it’s over only to find that it allows for another layer of healing to surface, one that couldn’t before because you weren’t ready for the impact. It’s good that it doesn’t all come at once.

Allowing fear to subside is the most difficult process of it all from my perspective. You start with fear of hell for leaving, for questioning, for doubting…but as you consider the possibility that those supposed Holy Scriptures are not the inerrant, infallible word of God, you get breathing room…a little less fear and a little more courage to keep going.

You start to realize how fear got you in there in the first place, as well as how fear is used to keep you there. As you explore it all you see just how much fear in and of itself dominated much of your life. Fear paralyzes who we are. That might come in handy if a bear is going to attack us and we need to play dead if we are to attempt to survive such an attack. But to play dead everyday, to be paralyzed everyday for every little thing in life, to be enveloped in paralyzing fear because of our faith? I can only shake my head. That kind of faith is no faith at all.

Originally blogged in 2006.  (Repost from my Archives.)