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Breathe, Live – A Repost

  • Breathe, Live.

So from my post yesterday I’ve decided to consider my words here:

“When I left the church I literally became an introvert, not my natural inclination. I literally went underground. If anyone thinks that spiritual abuse ends when you finally get up and walk out you are mistaken. It can get even uglier (depending on circumstances) after you walk away, even when you still call yourself a Christian. It can be brutal. I think this also can depend on one’s personality. I’m sad in so many ways for the days and weeks and years that I wasted grieving a world that never gave me a second thought after I left, while I sat on the computer looking desperately for help in Christian forums for the spiritually abused and hurting Christians which often can lead to further abuse. Ironic. I poured through books. Christian books, Christian authors who wrote about abuse, about legalism, about literalism, about denominations, about who is right and who is wrong, who is righteous and who is carnal.”

I’d like to climb back into this space to expand on this a bit. Yesterday’s post was a rant.  I’ve blogged about all that stuff years ago.  As the years go by though I often find myself shocked by the commitment of time and money that went into trying to sort it all out both intellectually and emotionally.  I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to put words into the physical despair.  I always want to go there.  Always.  I likely will, probably have and can’t remember it and am too tired to bother looking through my archives for it.  Some of it will come out in my stories I will try to tell.

This post I think will be about the highlighted part above.

I noticed I typed the word “sad” in my above quote.  I’ve had a lot of sad in my life.  I remember when I wrote that word I wondered if I should change it to “regret.”  I chose sad.  After pondering it maybe the correct phrasing would be, “sad regret.”  Though I think most of us who regret are sad about it.  I want to paint a picture of who I am during those years in my 30’s & 40’s as a result of spiritual abuse.  I was devastated and wasted.  I was a stay at home mom with chronic illness and emotional stuff that was being poked day after day night after night year after year. In hindsight, bleak.  Our children were in school, Biker Dude at work, and I was alone for hours wandering in a house, a library full of books, Christian books, authors from various denominations and theological positions, and a dinosaur computer (though not at the time) that I turned to after reading the book The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse.  I found the forum that Jeff (co-author of the book) started many years ago.  This isn’t easy to admit.  I don’t like how I feel remembering it.  Tears well up in my eyes.  There were many years that I feel were wasted searching.  I was very much alone.

I developed social anxiety and a panic disorder.  I was suffering with *PTSD-like symptoms.  There’s more to all of this but will leave it at that for now.  One of my former friends use to say that God never gives us more than we can bear.  I use to think to myself, ‘Yes He does!’  I’d look around at my friends and think they’ve got their own burdens to bear that God allows.  I’m not adding to God’s load by sharing mine.

So what do I mean by “very much alone” . . . good question?  I think I mean I had too much time on my hands.  I wasn’t working out of the home (had my reasons) and what happened in the church paralyzed me with fear. There I was, stuck.  How did I spend my time alone?  I was a profuse reader and writer.  I took copious notes and studied.  It’s like I was getting ready to teach a university class or something.  It’s like I was trying to heal myself and heal the world all at the same time.  I was desperately looking for the one Christian truth that was true.  I didn’t know it was elusive.  I didn’t know squat.  Though I thought all these authors of books from then and now knew. Then I realized they all knew differently.  Then I tried to make the differences insignificant.  All the while there I am with my various Bibles at hand along with Strong’s and Unger’s and note books and note paper galore.  Ink, ink and more ink. Copious piles of ink and paper in this drawer, in that drawer, in the closet, in the library, in the desk, in the china cabinet, in the kitchen buffet drawers, in my Bibles, in my books, in my purse. The bookmarked websites, here, there, everywhere.  The underlining in my Bibles.  The notes in the margins.   The prayers. Oh the prayers.  Without ceasing. The prayers.  Prostrate on the floor, tears shampooing the carpet.  On my knees, sore as the knee caps bore the weight of this thin but often frail frame.

If Jesus can die by crucifixion I can damn well kneel to pray.  

Sitting on the bed gazing as the seasons passed by and sometimes not seeing anything but winter.  Page after page in my journal of poetry, things written meant for books, prayers wondering if this season, winter, would ever end.  The nights, in the dark, laying in bed, sitting on the couch, in the lazy-boy, searching the sky, the moon, the stars . . . grasping for Him. His truth.  The many spiritual baptisms in the tub and the shower.  Every moment, every cell, all Jesus all the time.  I never felt He left me.  I knew I had to keep praying, keep searching . . . the truth would come.  I’d find the right denomination, the correct exegesis, the true Biblical interpretation.  I’d find the people who were waiting for me, for our family.  God would lead.

In a very odd way the people who died at Jonestown just came to mind.  

I’m not churchless during this time.  Though we left the one church after years and walked away from our lay youth ministry, we remained.  I remained in church for many more years. At that time, I’m still surrounded by people, by activity, by shared beliefs and the hope that this church will work. Thing is, it was more of the same.  When I realized it, I walked.  But I still searched.  I, alone in the house spent hours everyday pouring through resources and praying.  The topic of spiritual abuse came out into the open. Books were written.  I read them all.

Picture me then.

I’m alone, curled up in the black computer desk chair in the computer room.  I read on the screen.  I glance at my Bible, I look outside, what season is it?  The clock ticks away the seconds, minutes, hours.  The kids will be home soon.  Didn’t they just leave for school?  You need to stop, to pull yourself away from this search, this place of pain.  You are alone here.  No one knows you do this.  God knows.  Yes.  Is there more to life than this?  Yes.  Did I miss it?  Yes.  There’s so much I missed by sitting there every day, my pacing the floor, praying, reading, studying, crying dehydrated tears, aching, sleepless, tormented, afraid, isolated and torn. That’s what I regret with sadness.  I stopped living.  I beat myself up for not being able to figure it out.  Everything became hyper-spiritualized. Everything was a spiritual war.  When I say I beat myself up I mean mentally and physically.   I felt like shit.  Listen, if you feel like that you are not living.  I use to be a fun loving person. 

Suddenly I found myself in an abyss I couldn’t climb out of but I didn’t know it at the time.  Part of me wonders if I’m still here in this blogging world for those who don’t know they are in an abyss.  Don’t hurt yourself. Don’t do it.  You are not shit.  You are not trash.  You are not stupid.  You aren’t.  Breathe.  Take a walk.  Pick up your camera.  Change the dialogue in your head.  I know it’s a huge task.  Take 10 seconds and change the dialogue.  It’s a start.  Find something that is creative.  I don’t care if your crocheting is crooked, nor should you.  Garden.  Paint.  Start a blog. Breathe.  Live.

  • *I was eventually diagnosed with PTSD and later with C-PTSD which is complex trauma. Not just one event, but several, one on top of another. Many layers, having their primary roots in the first 20 years of my life. I’ve resurrected this post since it’s resurrection time in the Christian community and though my profile here is low, I am reminded of those who are still hurting and it’s my way of saying that I’ve been there and I understand from my own personal experience.

I have added a new category on the blog, mostly for quick reference for me, titled: Zoe’s favourites.

This blog was first posted a few years back HERE.

My Fault

This is dialogue I took down yesterday morning on a recent FoxNews segment on Justice with Judge Jeanine and Franklin Graham – Samaritan’s Purse.

JJ: “Why would God allow this kind of thing to happen?”

FG: “Well I don’t think God planned for this too happen. It’s because of the sin that’s in the world judge. Man has turned his back on God and sinned and we need to ask for God’s forgiveness and that’s what Easter is all about. It’s about God so loving the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ came to save sinners. He didn’t come to condemn the world but to save the world. And if we put our faith and trust in him he’ll forgive our sins and heal our hearts and he’ll change the course of our lives. And this pandemic, this is the result of a fallen world. A world that has turned its back on God and so I would encourage people to pray and just let’s ask, let’s ask God for help.”

Perhaps I should have posted this yesterday for Palm Sunday.  In prep of course for Easter.

You are vile.  You were born in sin.  God being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent set it up this way.  We didn’t get a say in it.  No free will here.

Yet, it’s not God’s fault.  Nope.  It’s your fault.  Mine too.  God set it up but it’s your fault, mine too.

You lousy, despicable, horrible worm-infested Zoe are responsible for this pandemic.

And the great witness of diverse Christians shout into the universe, “No, no Zoe.  You’ve got it all wrong.”  Then each of them presents “their” God.

Religious Trauma

When I’m overwhelmed or not doing very well, I turn to reading Amish romance novels.

Immediately, my heart started to pound out of my chest.  The Amish are romantic?

Then almost after that I’m thinking, why does everyone think the Amish live in a world of peace?

It reminds me of another conversation I was part of.  The woman was going on and on about how great the Duggar’s are and how she longs for a life of connection and purpose and family just like the Duggars have.  My heart pounded then too.

As she talked I was having a conversation with myself.

Don’t say anything.

Let her talk.

But, in this case, I spoke up as she eventually looked for me to participate in the 3-way conversation.  I mentioned that we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes.  I mentioned that how do we know all those girls are making free-will choices?  How do we know they are not indoctrinated into a faith that will not allow them to pursue a life outside of marriage and children?  How do we know what goes on in their homes?  A conversation that made one of the people very defensive.  I wasn’t argumentative.  Just putting out some thoughts to maybe plant a seed.  Not long after that, what’s his name Duggar was discovered to be molesting one or two of his sisters.  I can’t remember the details.

Those of us who have trauma in our lives know that there is usually more going on behind the scenes of what looks like very good peaceful faithful lives.  It’s not uncommon for me to avoid anything that hints of romantic love in the spiritual realm.  The bride of Christ comes to mind.  I mean, seriously.  Who thought that terminology was appropriate?  Nuns marrying Christ?  Amish romance novels?

I suspect that those of us with religious trauma in our history bristle at any hint of finding ourselves relaxed reading Amish romance novels.

So once again, I listened and thought I could just not say anything . . . until I said something.  So I talked about how for someone like me with religious trauma in my history, I could never sit down and read an Amish romance novel because of what we know goes on in the unseen places.

Same reason I could never watch the Duggar show.  You know for certain it is only a matter of time in a closed-system of belief and existence, that the shit is going to hit the fan.  Just saying.

Something is starting to shift with me.  For the first time in my life I’m owning the word “trauma.”  And for the first time I’m starting to use the term “religious trauma” instead of the term “spiritual abuse.”  The term “spiritual abuse” to me now seems like saying “religious trauma-lite.”  Burp.  Excuse me.  Spiritual abuse is religious trauma.  I’m owning it.

Every So Often

I Am Reminded . . . it’s like seeing myself all over again.  Another place in time.  A comment I left this morning to someone called The Bride on Bruce’s blog.

 

Very interesting The Bride.

I spent many years (with regret now as I look back) in IFB churches here in Ontario Canada. Everything you write here I could say was true of my experience, including “staying” only for the doctrine.

When I look back I realize that staying as long as I did rotted me from the inside out. Every day wallowing in the constant barrage of wretchedness thrown at us. Being a very sensitive person, with childhood and adult trauma, I was very vulnerable to these messages (always backed up by scripture) about how wretched (worm), deceitful (Jeremiah) and unworthy (woman/Eve) I was/am.

As a woman who understands depression and self-deprecating beliefs I know now that staying as long as I did made me sicker. I knew it then as well, but this part of me that was damaged kept thinking “the church” would get it right one day &/or that I could make a difference. It was all wishful and hopeful thinking.

If your church shows nothing of warmth, compassion &/or healing . . . then I’d ask myself (as I once did) if I was willing to die for that supposed “doctrinally-sound” church? Any church that ad nauseum tells you you are “a piece of garbage” is an abusive church.

I tend to think you know this already.

I was not willing to die. I let go. Then I began to heal.

Be safe The Bride. If being there makes you worse, it’s no place to be. Show compassion to yourself.

New Book re: Ravi Zacharias

Back in my evangelical days, Ravi was a favoured Christian apologist.  I read three of his books.

As I look back from my vantage point now, most books I read by apologists left me with more questions than answers.  More uncertainty than certainty.  I don’t think they grounded my “faith” that the Bible was true at all.  If anything, apologetics pointed out to me the diversity inside Christianity.  This apologist says that, that apologist says this, scholarship here, scholarship there, here a Christian, there a Christian, every where a Christian Christian.

My struggle to believe these human authors, God’s go-to people, the true Christians, the real Christians, the ethical/moral Christians, the praying Christians, the studied Christians, the honourable Christians, the esteemed speakers of all thing “God” in all Its Triune glory, the “honest” Christians, lead me down that spiral staircase into the realm of:  Why so many different kinds of Christians?  Why so many Biblical interpretations?  Why so many Bibles?  Why don’t all the apologists and scholars agree?  If every *i* be dotted and every *t* be crossed, what the hell is going on?  Naturally, we all know it’s Eve’s fault.  That’s really what’s going on.  Never mind that guy behind the curtain.  God is God.  Leave it at that.  One day you’ll have your mansion over the hilltop.  For now, just believe.  Who cares what the truth is?  Who cares what the story is?

I’ve been following this story about Ravi Zacharias for awhile now.  It may be of some interest to someone here.

It very much reminds me of my days in the church.  Pastors who were not telling the truth.  Sordid details.  Those who confronted the abuse/lies (us) and those who turned a blind eye to the truth, refusing to consider that those men couldn’t possibly be guilty of (insert sordid details here).

Choosing to get-out to maintain our own integrity.  Struggling for years to find out that I do care about the truth and the story.  That’s why I’m now an atheist.  Though I no longer believe my former Christian story, I do care still, about the damage done to those who have been used and abused by my former story and its story-tellers.

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The God Question

Is coming soon to a grandma I know.  It’s only a matter of time.

Baby’s Bible.  A soft-book.  First page.  Noah’s Ark.  God loves Noah so much that he had Noah build an ark and put 2 of every animal on the ark.  Then the rains came.  Noah and his family were safe (and all the other people died.) *sigh*  Why’d they die grandma?  God killed them.  Why?  God said they were bad people and he was sick and tired of them so he killed them.

Good god can you imagine such a conversation with pre-school children?  So okay, I won’t respond like that, but what’s an atheist grandma who use to believe God killed all those bad people to do?

I was a little older when I asked my maternal grandparents why they didn’t go to church.  They weren’t atheists though.  Well, technically that is, though according to my former fundamentalist evangelical belief system they were atheists because their God wasn’t the true God.  The Christian Science God and the Unitarian Universalist God is not the same God as the fundamentalist evangelical God.  Nope.  Nada.  End of question.  To hell with them!  Literally.

For many years, post-escaping spiritual abuse and then leaving the church, though still a believer, I carried often in an unconscious way, the burden of raising our children in the church as well as ministering in the church to the community in general, and specifically with the youth.  I felt guilty.  Like I’d literally practiced being immoral with them.  Like I had tortured them in some way by introducing concepts such as hell, divine punishment and eternal agony.  I thought of the lessons I had taught during our ministry and how some children would go home in agony and no one would ever know it.  I wondered if I myself, as part of the collective whole, the body of Christ was not indeed complicit in altering the minds of children with a belief system that taught the concept of eternal torture.  The topic is big.  Bigger than I can even manage blogging about at the moment.  Here’s what recently came to me though.  And how many years has it been coming?  And will the tidal swells ever end?  I don’t think so but I do think I’ve made peace with that.  One can heal, keep healing but also accept that it is not a failure if the swells rise up from time to time.  Onion layers if you will.  I work towards being positive but the weight of it all crumbles the body and the mind.  Here’s what I’m finding words for but not eloquent words yet.  Maybe there are none?

I’ve pined away about my impact on others but the one thing that I tend to push aside is the impact on me.   What it is actually like to be the torturer.  You teach the stuff, you believe it, but then you also are aware and hear yourself giving ideas and concepts to children who are developing at various levels of growth, both physically and mentally.  Young brains.  Not done forming.  Brains that go home and imagine what the burning flesh in hell feels like.  Brains that don’t understand what parents, family, teachers and church people are saying.  Brains that lead a little girl to her youth teacher (me) in fears and trembling because she thinks her parents are going to go to hell for baptizing her when she was a baby and for being Anglicans.  There you are (me) raising and teaching a generation that Jesus loves them and you need to love him back or else.  I’m digging here for words.  I think I feel like the soldier who has to follow orders and tortures the enemy in prison.  The soldier who follows orders but is sickened by what he/she hears, sees, experiences.  The soldier who’s conscience is blown to pieces by the inhumanity of it all.  The soldier comes home from war not only traumatized by what they saw/did/were ordered to do, but suddenly realizes that the whole thing was also an assault on them.  You are to obey and do what you are told.  Parts of you scream out, ‘No, this is wrong!’  The other part says, ‘Shut up.  This is for the greater good.’

I want to work this out.  I want to use my words to give voice.  My body and mind are so tired from the impact.  I want to find the words, all the while thinking if I can just do that, find the words, order them, free them, then maybe another layer of healing will start.  All I know is this, my intention is not to harm or traumatize any more young minds (my grandchildren).  The thing is, even if I don’t contribute directly to their torturing, indirectly I do, because they’d be less tortured souls if they could grow up not being tortured about grandma’s eternal destination.  And if they are anything like me as a child, they will be tortured at the thought of their grandparents being in hell.