From: "Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core" Date: 2023-09-21T08:18:50+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:114860] [Ruby master Feature#19744] Namespace on read Issue #19744 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze). @deivid @hsbt and other RubyGems/Bundler maintainers: What do you think of this proposal, especially the part related to RubyGems & Bundler? This would enable loading different versions of a gem in the same process, together with changes in RubyGems & Bundler. But is that what you want and is that what Ruby users want? And is this change realistic to do in RubyGems & Bundler? My concerns are: * I'm not sure many Rubyists want a Bundler that feels like `npm`/`node_modules` with every dependency duplicated N times (+ of course the longer bundle times, etc). * Will those changes be compatible enough, or would it require to be opt-in? * Should RubyGems/Bundler try to have the minimum number of versions for each gem or stop resolving and have N copies of each gem based on how many gems depend on it? * How can `Gemfile.lock` handle this? Probably the format needs to change significantly to support that? * How can `Bundler.require` handle this? I think it's not possible without extra information like passing a `NameSpace` to `gem "foo"` in the Gemfile. And that feels rather hacky because how to share `NameSpace` objects in Gemfile and in app code? Also how to serialize such a NameSpace in Gemfile.lock? (Or maybe that last one is not necessary?) * If this feature is used rarely it seems more likely to not work reliably for all gems, also it relies on gems with an extension depending on another extension doing changes, which might or not happen. * How long might it take to implement all this in RubyGems & Bundler? Until then this feature is probably unusable for most Rubyists, as most use RubyGems & Bundler of course. @tagomoris It'd be great to hear your thoughts on this too. To be clear I don't think any of this should block merging this feature, but I think this feature will likely not be useful for 99+% Rubyists until that is fully implemented and supported in RubyGems & Bundler. ---------------------------------------- Feature #19744: Namespace on read https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/19744#change-104708 * Author: tagomoris (Satoshi Tagomori) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal ---------------------------------------- # What is the "Namespace on read" This proposes a new feature to define virtual top-level namespaces in Ruby. Those namespaces can require/load libraries (either .rb or native extension) separately from the global namespace. Dependencies of required/loaded libraries are also required/loaded in the namespace. ### Motivation The "namespace on read" can solve the 2 problems below, and can make a path to solve another problem: The details of those motivations are described in the below section ("Motivation details"). #### Avoiding name conflicts between libraries Applications can require two different libraries safely which use the same module name. #### Avoiding unexpected globally shared modules/objects Applications can make an independent/unshared module instance. #### (In the future) Multiple versions of gems can be required Application developers will have fewer version conflicts between gem dependencies if rubygems/bundler will support the namespace on read. ### Example code with this feature ```ruby # your_module.rb module YourModule end # my_module.rb require 'your_module' module MyModule end # example.rb namespace1 = NameSpace.new namespace1.require('my_module') #=> true namespace1::MyModule #=> #::MyModule (or #::MyModule ?) namespace1::YourModule # similar to the above MyModule # NameError YourModule # NameError namespace2 = NameSpace.new # Any number of namespaces can be defined namespace2.require('my_module') # Different library "instance" from namespace1 require 'my_module' # require in the global namespace MyModule.object_id != namespace1::MyModule.object_id #=> true namespace1::MyModule.object_id != namespace2::MyModule.object_id ``` The required/loaded libraries will define different "instances" of modules/classes in those namespaces (just like the "wrapper" 2nd argument of `Kernel.load`). This doesn't introduce compatibility problems if all libraries use relative name resolution (without forced top-level reference like `::Name`). # "On read": optional, user-driven feature "On read" is a key thing of this feature. That means: * No changes are required in existing/new libraries (except for limited cases, described below) * No changes are required in applications if it doesn't need namespaces * Users can enable/use namespaces just for limited code in the whole library/application Users can start using this feature step by step (if they want it) without any big jumps. ## Motivation details This feature can solve multiple problems I have in writing/executing Ruby code. Those are from the 3 problems I mentioned above: name conflicts, globally shared modules, and library version conflicts between dependencies. I'll describe 4 scenarios about those problems. ### Running multiple applications on a Ruby process Modern computers have many CPU cores and large memory spaces. We sometimes want to have many separate applications (either micro-service architecture or modular monolith). Currently, running those applications require different processes. It requires additional computation costs (especially in developing those applications). If we have isolated namespaces and can load applications in those namespaces, we'll be able to run apps on a process, with less overhead. (I want to run many AWS Lambda applications on a process in isolated namespaces.) ### Running tests in isolated namespaces Tests that require external libraries need many hacks to: * require a library multiple times * require many different 3rd party libraries into isolated spaces (those may conflict with each other) Software with plugin systems (for example, Fluentd) will get benefit from namespaces. In addition to it, application tests can avoid unexpected side effects if tests are executed in isolated namespaces. ### Safely isolated library instances Libraries may have globally shared states. For example, [Oj](https://github.com/ohler55/oj) has a global `Obj.default_options` object to change the library behavior. Those options may be changed by any dependency libraries or applications, and it changes the behavior of `Oj` globally, unexpectedly. For such libraries, we'll be able to instantiate a safe library instance in an isolated namespace. ### Avoiding dependency hells Modern applications use many libraries, and those libraries require much more dependencies. Those dependencies will cause version conflicts very often. In such cases, application developers should resolve those by updating each libraries, or should just wait for the new release of libraries to conflict those libraries. Sometimes, library maintainers don't release updated versions, and application developers can do nothing. If namespaces can require/load a library multiple times, it also enables to require/load different versions of a library in a process. It requires the support of rubygems, but namespaces should be a good fundamental of it. ## Expected problems ### Use of top-level references In my expectation, `::Name` should refer the top-level `Name` in the global namespace. I expect that `::ENV` should contain the environment variables. But it may cause compatibility problems if library code uses `::MyLibrary` to refer themselves in their deeply nested library code. ### Additional memory consumption An extension library (dynamically linked library) may be loaded multiple times (by `dlopen` for temporarily copied dll files) to load isolated library "instances" if different namespaces require the same extension library. That consumes additional memory. In my opinion, additional memory consumption is a minimum cost to realize loading extension libraries multiple times without compatibility issues. This occurs only when programmers use namespaces. And it's only about libraries that are used in 2 or more namespaces. ### The change of `dlopen` flag about extension libraries To load an extension library multiple times without conflicting symbols, all extensions should stop sharing symbols globally. Libraries referring symbols from other extension libraries will have to change code & dependencies. (About the things about extension libraries, [Naruse also wrote an entry](https://naruse.hateblo.jp/entry/2023/05/22/193411).) # Misc The proof-of-concept branch is here: https://github.com/tagomoris/ruby/pull/1 It's still work-in-progress branch, especially for extension libraries. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ ______________________________________________ ruby-core mailing list -- ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-core-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-core info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-core.ml.ruby-lang.org/