Clive Bates 
Director of Counterfactual 
& Public Health Commentator
Counterfactual 
The Unholy Trinity 
www.clivebates.com 
@clive_bates
Value proposition: a smokers’ cost-benefit analysis 
1. Keep smoking 
Benefit: nicotine effects, ritual, brand-related 
Cost: illness, money, stigma, addiction 
2. Quit smoking 
Benefit: avoid smoking harm 
Cost: withdrawal, craving, sustained willpower, lost smoking benefits 
3. Switch to e-cigs 
Benefit: most smoking benefits*, no/minor smoking harms, personalisation, buzz, cash saving 
Cost… addiction? 
* Full benefits – subject to continued innovation 
“Quit or die”
War against the poor 
0 
5 
10 
15 
20 
25 
30 
35 
40 
Large 
employers & 
high 
managerial 
Higher 
professional 
Lower 
managerial & 
professional 
Intermediate 
Small 
employers & 
own account 
Lower 
supervisory & 
technical 
Semi-routine 
Routine 
Percentage smokiing age 16+ (GB) 
Smoking prevalence 2012 by socio-economic classification (UK ONS)
Unintended consequences 
Advertising ban or restrictions 
Favours incumbents 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Harms innovation 
Limits recruitment
Unintended consequences 
Advertising ban or restrictions 
Favours incumbents 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Harms innovation 
Limits recruitment 
Ban flavours 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Limits full migration from tobacco 
Black market, DIY – more risk
Unintended consequences 
Advertising ban or restrictions 
Favours incumbents 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Harms innovation 
Limits recruitment 
Ban flavours 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Limits full migration from tobacco 
Black market, DIY – more risk 
Ban vaping indoors 
Damages vaping value proposition 
Exposes vapers to smoking 
Promotes relapse
Unintended consequences 
Advertising ban or restrictions 
Favours incumbents 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Harms innovation 
Limits recruitment 
Ban flavours 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Limits full migration from tobacco 
Black market, DIY – more risk 
Ban vaping indoors 
Damages vaping value proposition 
Exposes vapers to smoking 
Promotes relapse 
Technical compliance regime 
Reduce range of products and firms 
Increase cost 
Harms innovation
Unintended consequences 
Advertising ban or restrictions 
Favours incumbents 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Harms innovation 
Limits recruitment 
Ban flavours 
Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes 
Limits full migration from tobacco 
Black market, DIY – more risk 
Ban vaping indoors 
Damages vaping value proposition 
Exposes vapers to smoking 
Promotes relapse 
Technical compliance regime 
Reduce range of products and firms 
Increase cost 
Harms innovation 
Strength 
Warnings 
Refillables 
Bottle size 
Internet 
Tax
Unsurfaced assumptions: How much does marketing really determine substance use? 
15.7 
23.4 
0 
5 
10 
15 
20 
25 
Cigarettes 
Marijuana 
Percent 
Marijuana and cigarettes 
US high school prevalence 2013 
Source: CDC MMWR Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance — United States, 2013 
Current use: used at least once in last 30 days 
Approximately age 14-18 – grade 9-12
Diminishing and negative returns to regulation 
Net 
health 
Net 
harm 
Value to society 
Regulatory costs, burdens and restrictions 
Builds confidence 
Destroys viable firms and products 
Compromises design & consumer appeal 
Sweet Spot
Bureaucratic 
regulators 
Predatory companies 
Public health’s “useful idiots” 
The Unholy Trinity
Diminishing and negative returns to regulation 
Net 
health 
Net 
harm 
Value to society 
Regulatory costs, burdens and restrictions 
Builds confidence 
Destroys viable firms and products 
Compromises design & consumer appeal 
Sweet Spot 
Unholy Trinity at work 
Implicit collusion between naïve NGOs, risk-averse regulators and predatory majors
Morgan Stanley 
Ultimately, the proposed regulations will likely 
limit product variety and competition among 
e-cigarettes. The greater barriers to entry 
(slower approval process, higher costs, higher 
product standards), will ultimately take a toll on 
the number of available products and rationalize 
the category. 
This could result in the larger tobacco 
companies, which have greater financial 
resources and legal experience, dominating the category in the future, given the burden it would place on smaller manufacturers.
Good regulation 
•Liquids 
•Devices 
•Testing 
•Packaging 
•Labelling 
•Marketing 
•Quality control
Changing perceptions – for the worse 
Birth defects 
Lipid pneumonia 
Third hand nicotine exposure 
Ultrafine particles 
Blindness 
Anti-freeze 
Poisoning
WE JUST DON’T KNOW!!!
Winning hearts and minds? 
85% 
65% 
0% 
20% 
40% 
60% 
80% 
100% 
2010 
2013 
Believe e-cigs safer than cigarettes? 
US adult smokers 
Tan ASL, Bigman CA. E-cigarette awareness and perceived harmfulness: prevalence and associations with smoking- cessation outcomes. Am J Prev Med 2014; 47: 141–9. 
Perceived e-cig risk in young British smokers 
Trends in electronic cigarette use in young people in Great Britain over 2013-2014 Arnott, Britton, Cheeseman, Dockrell, Eastwood, Jarvis, & McNeill ASH, CR-UK, PHE 2014
Conclusion 
•Regulation can work against health 
•Regulations can support for the cigarette business model 
•Competition and light regulation will keep Big Tobacco honest (and keep Big Pharma out?) 
•Elements of the public health community are doing far more harm than good
www.clivebates.com 
@clive_bates 
Thank you… questions…

Clive Bates presentation from E-Cigarette Summit 2014

  • 1.
    Clive Bates Directorof Counterfactual & Public Health Commentator
  • 2.
    Counterfactual The UnholyTrinity www.clivebates.com @clive_bates
  • 3.
    Value proposition: asmokers’ cost-benefit analysis 1. Keep smoking Benefit: nicotine effects, ritual, brand-related Cost: illness, money, stigma, addiction 2. Quit smoking Benefit: avoid smoking harm Cost: withdrawal, craving, sustained willpower, lost smoking benefits 3. Switch to e-cigs Benefit: most smoking benefits*, no/minor smoking harms, personalisation, buzz, cash saving Cost… addiction? * Full benefits – subject to continued innovation “Quit or die”
  • 4.
    War against thepoor 0 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 Large employers & high managerial Higher professional Lower managerial & professional Intermediate Small employers & own account Lower supervisory & technical Semi-routine Routine Percentage smokiing age 16+ (GB) Smoking prevalence 2012 by socio-economic classification (UK ONS)
  • 5.
    Unintended consequences Advertisingban or restrictions Favours incumbents Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Harms innovation Limits recruitment
  • 6.
    Unintended consequences Advertisingban or restrictions Favours incumbents Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Harms innovation Limits recruitment Ban flavours Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Limits full migration from tobacco Black market, DIY – more risk
  • 7.
    Unintended consequences Advertisingban or restrictions Favours incumbents Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Harms innovation Limits recruitment Ban flavours Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Limits full migration from tobacco Black market, DIY – more risk Ban vaping indoors Damages vaping value proposition Exposes vapers to smoking Promotes relapse
  • 8.
    Unintended consequences Advertisingban or restrictions Favours incumbents Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Harms innovation Limits recruitment Ban flavours Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Limits full migration from tobacco Black market, DIY – more risk Ban vaping indoors Damages vaping value proposition Exposes vapers to smoking Promotes relapse Technical compliance regime Reduce range of products and firms Increase cost Harms innovation
  • 9.
    Unintended consequences Advertisingban or restrictions Favours incumbents Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Harms innovation Limits recruitment Ban flavours Reduces appeal – protects cigarettes Limits full migration from tobacco Black market, DIY – more risk Ban vaping indoors Damages vaping value proposition Exposes vapers to smoking Promotes relapse Technical compliance regime Reduce range of products and firms Increase cost Harms innovation Strength Warnings Refillables Bottle size Internet Tax
  • 10.
    Unsurfaced assumptions: Howmuch does marketing really determine substance use? 15.7 23.4 0 5 10 15 20 25 Cigarettes Marijuana Percent Marijuana and cigarettes US high school prevalence 2013 Source: CDC MMWR Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance — United States, 2013 Current use: used at least once in last 30 days Approximately age 14-18 – grade 9-12
  • 11.
    Diminishing and negativereturns to regulation Net health Net harm Value to society Regulatory costs, burdens and restrictions Builds confidence Destroys viable firms and products Compromises design & consumer appeal Sweet Spot
  • 12.
    Bureaucratic regulators Predatorycompanies Public health’s “useful idiots” The Unholy Trinity
  • 13.
    Diminishing and negativereturns to regulation Net health Net harm Value to society Regulatory costs, burdens and restrictions Builds confidence Destroys viable firms and products Compromises design & consumer appeal Sweet Spot Unholy Trinity at work Implicit collusion between naïve NGOs, risk-averse regulators and predatory majors
  • 14.
    Morgan Stanley Ultimately,the proposed regulations will likely limit product variety and competition among e-cigarettes. The greater barriers to entry (slower approval process, higher costs, higher product standards), will ultimately take a toll on the number of available products and rationalize the category. This could result in the larger tobacco companies, which have greater financial resources and legal experience, dominating the category in the future, given the burden it would place on smaller manufacturers.
  • 15.
    Good regulation •Liquids •Devices •Testing •Packaging •Labelling •Marketing •Quality control
  • 16.
    Changing perceptions –for the worse Birth defects Lipid pneumonia Third hand nicotine exposure Ultrafine particles Blindness Anti-freeze Poisoning
  • 17.
  • 18.
    Winning hearts andminds? 85% 65% 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% 2010 2013 Believe e-cigs safer than cigarettes? US adult smokers Tan ASL, Bigman CA. E-cigarette awareness and perceived harmfulness: prevalence and associations with smoking- cessation outcomes. Am J Prev Med 2014; 47: 141–9. Perceived e-cig risk in young British smokers Trends in electronic cigarette use in young people in Great Britain over 2013-2014 Arnott, Britton, Cheeseman, Dockrell, Eastwood, Jarvis, & McNeill ASH, CR-UK, PHE 2014
  • 19.
    Conclusion •Regulation canwork against health •Regulations can support for the cigarette business model •Competition and light regulation will keep Big Tobacco honest (and keep Big Pharma out?) •Elements of the public health community are doing far more harm than good
  • 20.