1
SEO Stakeholder
Management
Search Summit Sydney
18 May 2022
Optus acknowledges the
Traditional Owners and
Custodians of the lands on
which we live, work and serve.
We celebrate the oldest living
culture and its unbroken
history of storytelling and
communication.
We pay our respect to Elders –
past, present and future – and
we strive together to embrace
an optimistic outlook for our
future in harmony, across all
of Australia and for all of its
people.
4
What’s on
Know your process
1
Guiding principles
2
Talking to non-digital
departments
3
Talking to developers
4
Talking to C-suite
5
Escalation
6
About me
7
Questions
8
5
Notes: 1. <use a full stop after the numeral. Note number superscript in slide body>
2. <use a full stop after the numeral. Note number superscript in slide body>
6
Know what your new
initiative / financial request
process is – and follow it!
Know when you need to
have proposals ready by to
plan for the new year.
Particularly if you’re looking
for a big budget or a lot of
people…
Process, process, process
7
You can have all the buy in, but if
you don’t have budget or time…
8
it doesn’t matter how good your idea
is, it probably won’t happen.
9
• Getting big initiatives
done (or proposed)
• Close to the end of your
financial year
• When things are going
in unexpected ways
(good or bad)
When do you most often work with stakeholders?
10
Remember your stakeholders are
people, too. Get to know them.
11
• Sarcasm and humour
rarely land the way you
want them to
• Speak to their level
(technically and
metaphorically)
• Sometimes the best way
to build a relationship is
to ask for a small favour
A few reminders about communication in general
12
Be Organised
Guiding principles for stakeholder management
Before you get in touch with
any stakeholder
You should make their lives easy by:
• Respect your stakeholder’s time
− For emails, get to the core of your ask quickly and be clear about what you want
from them, and how it’ll help them
− For meetings, set a clear agenda, and use the shortest amount of time possible, 15
mins is ideal
• Have a business case ready
• Remind yourself of what you’re getting in touch with them about so it’s fresh
• If you can’t explain it in 30 seconds using simple language, revisit and make sure you
can
• Be clear on how it’ll benefit them
1
Know Your Stuff
2
13
Guiding principles for stakeholder management
Before you get in touch with
any stakeholder
You should make their lives easy by:
• Come up with answers to their likely objections
• Know their KPI’s and what matters to them
• Have data on hand to reinforce your business case
• “Strong convictions loosely held”
• Be fully present in the moment and genuinely take on any feedback they offer
• Re-educate gently if it’s needed – ask questions like “Where did you hear that?”
Anticipate
Listen Actively
14
Working with non-digital departments (e.g. brand)
• Never punch down – don’t make fun of the people or
departments who are your stakeholders, even if you’re a part
of that group
• Provide wider business context and avoid using SEO jargon
• Get in touch with them while they’re in planning phases, not
the week before a launch – even if they wanted to, it’s too late
to make changes at that point
• Offer a proof of concept, lower the barriers to entry, reduce
intimidation
• “Yes and…” rather than “Yes but…”
15
Delegate it, delete it, defer it or delay
it
If you have to say no…
16
How to educate gently
1:1 or small department
sessions
• Helpful for stakeholders
you’ll be working with
more frequently
• Allows for more specific
questions and less
public embarrassment
• Takes more of your time
New starter or
onboarding packs
• Get them while they’re
fresh
• Relatively low effort,
potentially high impact
• Asynchronous
communication can be
impersonal
Create advocates
• Creates a network of
SEO advocates you’ve
trained and who
understand the benefit
for their department
• Have “office hours” for
questions
• You can’t directly
control what they say,
where or how they say it
17
Working with developers
• Know how they operate:
− What are their sprint and release cycles? Does the request
need to go through their PO first?
− Have a ticket written to their ways of working
− What kind of changes need to go through approvals or
testing?
− What languages does the website use? What framework is
the JS?
• Go into the conversation with a problem to solve and a
potential solution based on your research
• Be flexible; assume you’re going to find a compromise rather
than implementing your ideal solution
• Share how it’ll impact their KPIs (site speed, conversion,
technical debt)
18
Talking to C-Suite or upper management
• Use progressive reporting – you shouldn’t get into the nuts
and bolts
• Line up to things they care about: market penetration, share
of voice, revenue
• Find out the data sources and people the C-suite trusts. Use
those.
• Use real-world examples to answer the “so what” – is your
main competitor doing x? Do users say they’re confused
about y? Ground it.
• If you don’t know the answer to the question they’re asking,
don’t blag – say you don’t know and when you’ll get back to
them with an answer. Actually follow up.
19
Find all this information by being
curious and proactive.
20
Where do I get started?
In house process
• Finance team
• Devops
• Legal
• Business Analysts
• Your boss or PO
• Long-serving team
members
Stakeholder preferences
• Your peers in their
team/juniors
• Your boss or mentor
• Their PA (if they have
one)
• Their LinkedIn
• Long-serving team
members
Business Cases
• Brand team (brand and
customer sentiment)
• Customer service
team(NPS and direct
customer feedback)
• Paid media team
(revenue impact)
• Competitors
• Industry studies and
stats from Google and
others
21
If it’s urgent and you need to escalate
• Evaluate and make sure
it’s really a substantial and
urgent risk to the business,
not just SEO.
• Be able to clearly articulate
what the risk is in business
terms:
“We need to immediately
fix the robots.txt or else
we’re in danger at any
point of losing the entirety
of our month’s organic
revenue, estimated at
$xx.”
• Do it in person or over the
phone if possible – where
your stakeholders can hear
your voice
• Only use “high importance”
flags on your email in
these moments – train
your audience.
• Cash in your social
currency to get it done –
call in favours.
• Send a follow up on
what was done, who
helped and the positive
impact to the business –
“we saved a potential
$xx in profit.”
22
If at first you don’t succeed…
• Use a technique by James Crimmins – think of the process of
getting an initiative up like building a house.
• If you didn’t get your desired outcome and have done all the
things you feel like you should, you’re losing water
somewhere. There’s a leak in your foundations.
• Go back through what you’ve done and find the leak –be
critical of yourself and your own actions.
• For the first few times you propose big initiatives, keep a
record of what you do so this is easier.
23
If there’s only one thing you come
away with, it should be: know your
stakeholders.
24
• SEO since 2010
• Analytics since 2012
• CRO since 2015
• Lived in 3 countries,
visited 40+
Who, me?
25
Continue the Conversation
Amanda King
SEO Manager for Mobile Phones
@ Optus
amanda.king@optus.com.au
@amandaecking
Questions?

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SEO Stakeholder Management

  • 1. 1
  • 3. Optus acknowledges the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we live, work and serve. We celebrate the oldest living culture and its unbroken history of storytelling and communication. We pay our respect to Elders – past, present and future – and we strive together to embrace an optimistic outlook for our future in harmony, across all of Australia and for all of its people.
  • 4. 4 What’s on Know your process 1 Guiding principles 2 Talking to non-digital departments 3 Talking to developers 4 Talking to C-suite 5 Escalation 6 About me 7 Questions 8
  • 5. 5 Notes: 1. <use a full stop after the numeral. Note number superscript in slide body> 2. <use a full stop after the numeral. Note number superscript in slide body>
  • 6. 6 Know what your new initiative / financial request process is – and follow it! Know when you need to have proposals ready by to plan for the new year. Particularly if you’re looking for a big budget or a lot of people… Process, process, process
  • 7. 7 You can have all the buy in, but if you don’t have budget or time…
  • 8. 8 it doesn’t matter how good your idea is, it probably won’t happen.
  • 9. 9 • Getting big initiatives done (or proposed) • Close to the end of your financial year • When things are going in unexpected ways (good or bad) When do you most often work with stakeholders?
  • 10. 10 Remember your stakeholders are people, too. Get to know them.
  • 11. 11 • Sarcasm and humour rarely land the way you want them to • Speak to their level (technically and metaphorically) • Sometimes the best way to build a relationship is to ask for a small favour A few reminders about communication in general
  • 12. 12 Be Organised Guiding principles for stakeholder management Before you get in touch with any stakeholder You should make their lives easy by: • Respect your stakeholder’s time − For emails, get to the core of your ask quickly and be clear about what you want from them, and how it’ll help them − For meetings, set a clear agenda, and use the shortest amount of time possible, 15 mins is ideal • Have a business case ready • Remind yourself of what you’re getting in touch with them about so it’s fresh • If you can’t explain it in 30 seconds using simple language, revisit and make sure you can • Be clear on how it’ll benefit them 1 Know Your Stuff 2
  • 13. 13 Guiding principles for stakeholder management Before you get in touch with any stakeholder You should make their lives easy by: • Come up with answers to their likely objections • Know their KPI’s and what matters to them • Have data on hand to reinforce your business case • “Strong convictions loosely held” • Be fully present in the moment and genuinely take on any feedback they offer • Re-educate gently if it’s needed – ask questions like “Where did you hear that?” Anticipate Listen Actively
  • 14. 14 Working with non-digital departments (e.g. brand) • Never punch down – don’t make fun of the people or departments who are your stakeholders, even if you’re a part of that group • Provide wider business context and avoid using SEO jargon • Get in touch with them while they’re in planning phases, not the week before a launch – even if they wanted to, it’s too late to make changes at that point • Offer a proof of concept, lower the barriers to entry, reduce intimidation • “Yes and…” rather than “Yes but…”
  • 15. 15 Delegate it, delete it, defer it or delay it If you have to say no…
  • 16. 16 How to educate gently 1:1 or small department sessions • Helpful for stakeholders you’ll be working with more frequently • Allows for more specific questions and less public embarrassment • Takes more of your time New starter or onboarding packs • Get them while they’re fresh • Relatively low effort, potentially high impact • Asynchronous communication can be impersonal Create advocates • Creates a network of SEO advocates you’ve trained and who understand the benefit for their department • Have “office hours” for questions • You can’t directly control what they say, where or how they say it
  • 17. 17 Working with developers • Know how they operate: − What are their sprint and release cycles? Does the request need to go through their PO first? − Have a ticket written to their ways of working − What kind of changes need to go through approvals or testing? − What languages does the website use? What framework is the JS? • Go into the conversation with a problem to solve and a potential solution based on your research • Be flexible; assume you’re going to find a compromise rather than implementing your ideal solution • Share how it’ll impact their KPIs (site speed, conversion, technical debt)
  • 18. 18 Talking to C-Suite or upper management • Use progressive reporting – you shouldn’t get into the nuts and bolts • Line up to things they care about: market penetration, share of voice, revenue • Find out the data sources and people the C-suite trusts. Use those. • Use real-world examples to answer the “so what” – is your main competitor doing x? Do users say they’re confused about y? Ground it. • If you don’t know the answer to the question they’re asking, don’t blag – say you don’t know and when you’ll get back to them with an answer. Actually follow up.
  • 19. 19 Find all this information by being curious and proactive.
  • 20. 20 Where do I get started? In house process • Finance team • Devops • Legal • Business Analysts • Your boss or PO • Long-serving team members Stakeholder preferences • Your peers in their team/juniors • Your boss or mentor • Their PA (if they have one) • Their LinkedIn • Long-serving team members Business Cases • Brand team (brand and customer sentiment) • Customer service team(NPS and direct customer feedback) • Paid media team (revenue impact) • Competitors • Industry studies and stats from Google and others
  • 21. 21 If it’s urgent and you need to escalate • Evaluate and make sure it’s really a substantial and urgent risk to the business, not just SEO. • Be able to clearly articulate what the risk is in business terms: “We need to immediately fix the robots.txt or else we’re in danger at any point of losing the entirety of our month’s organic revenue, estimated at $xx.” • Do it in person or over the phone if possible – where your stakeholders can hear your voice • Only use “high importance” flags on your email in these moments – train your audience. • Cash in your social currency to get it done – call in favours. • Send a follow up on what was done, who helped and the positive impact to the business – “we saved a potential $xx in profit.”
  • 22. 22 If at first you don’t succeed… • Use a technique by James Crimmins – think of the process of getting an initiative up like building a house. • If you didn’t get your desired outcome and have done all the things you feel like you should, you’re losing water somewhere. There’s a leak in your foundations. • Go back through what you’ve done and find the leak –be critical of yourself and your own actions. • For the first few times you propose big initiatives, keep a record of what you do so this is easier.
  • 23. 23 If there’s only one thing you come away with, it should be: know your stakeholders.
  • 24. 24 • SEO since 2010 • Analytics since 2012 • CRO since 2015 • Lived in 3 countries, visited 40+ Who, me?
  • 25. 25 Continue the Conversation Amanda King SEO Manager for Mobile Phones @ Optus [email protected] @amandaecking